Men hate us both for being “high maintenance” when we’re young and “not taking care of ourselves” when we’re old

OrangeyPanda · 2021-05-17T20:13:24+00:00

Men don't even know what men want. They just like to complain.

Jaelismyhomegirl · 2021-05-17T22:44:47+00:00

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Protoetype · 2021-05-17T21:25:46+00:00

Oooooooo, this is ssooo true.

They love to point out when a woman has "let herself go" (usually after she has a baby and her entire body is brand new to her) ugh

Throwawayrightaway28 · 2021-05-17T21:24:28+00:00

Scrotes want women to be high maintenance but self maintaining. They enjoy the well-cared for appearance of a gorgeous woman but they don’t want to pay for hair appointments, manicures and pedicures, a personal trainer, meal prep, designer clothes, makeup, etc. They want you to do all of that yourself and go 50-50 with them, all for their shrimp dicks. Not in this life

divination__ · 2021-05-17T22:05:08+00:00

quite honestly, i think they just hate anything that suggests we are real human beings with agency and the capacity to be flawed or even inconvenient to them personally sometimes. they just hate us when we are not perfect, warm sex dolls that want and ask for nothing and exist only to please them.

LonelyWineAunt · 2021-05-17T20:48:12+00:00

Men will say whatever benefits them most at that time.

I remember my father criticizing my mother for “letting herself go” when she was about 40. She remained married to him but she was like “fuck you”, chopped off her hair, bought herself a bunch of comfy tracksuits and stopped wearing makeup. It was around that time she started telling me I didn’t need to wear to makeup and dresses or do my nails and she started frowning on nail polish too.

biasedyogurtmotel · 2021-05-17T21:30:58+00:00

Men hate young adult women for being “high maintenance,” but at the same time look down on women who don’t keep up with their appearance. So many expect perfectly dyed & styled hair, manicured nails (not acrylics tho obviously), clear skin, shaved & plucked facial/body hair, fit body, etc. None of this is natural, but women who embrace their naturally body are seen as ugly.

so many of my male friends legitimately thought that women in TV shows were born with bayleage blow-outs, and anyone could achieve that IRL with just a comb. Ridiculous.

ItsFreezen · 2021-05-17T22:21:56+00:00

The male gender think's the dad bod is peak physical condition, can't ever be taken seriously.

Stuffnthings1840 · 2021-05-18T00:16:11+00:00

"Why can't you just be convenient to consume?"

millrice · 2021-05-17T20:16:36+00:00

Men just hate themselves as they can neither do any maintenance nor taking care, and just project that on us ALL THE TIME

pickmieshaexorcist · 2021-05-17T20:17:57+00:00

I agree that men just hate women. Also never underestimate their pathologically insecure need to neg in order to knock women down a peg. They don’t even have to believe what they’re saying; the goal is to destabilize her self esteem so that she questions herself and strives to please him.

HengroenAndLlamrei · 2021-05-17T21:45:24+00:00

That’s why their opinions don’t matter.

TeacupHuman · 2021-05-17T22:53:33+00:00

Men’s preferences for our looks are always contradictions.

kaleidoscope471 · 2021-05-18T00:14:20+00:00

They actually like high maintenance in the end. They will say they like low maintenance and "no make-up" but that is delusion. In the end they go for someone who takes 2+ hours to get ready and wears noticeable (but not ridiculous) make-up.

Mysticgardener · 2021-05-17T22:39:56+00:00

They want us to be beautiful but want it to be effortless. Ironically, what they consider beautiful or even groomed is in no way natural.

curlywurlyprincess · 2021-05-17T20:06:53+00:00

Men hate women, period. We will never be enough because in their eyes we were born incomplete and defective. Men only love men.

desireforu111 · 2021-05-18T03:31:58+00:00

Honestly a lot of them are plain stupid to not understand how that ' maintained look' is achieved, it takes $$$ to $$$$ to get there and men who haven't even seen $$ believe women must spend $10 to look like a supermodel.

Idk if this is repeative but these problems go away with a HVM. Someone I went on a date with once at this Mall, I asked him if he is okay with me browsing this store and if he wants to join I wanted to pickup some nail paints, we would leave in 5-7 mins. He was okay with it. He helped me pick colors as well (color theory was something we bonded over) I picked up 4 nail paints, MIND YOU 4, out of which I still have 2 which I use 3 years later sometimes ( just grew out of those colors) and he had the fking nerve to comment on $10 dollars I dropped on them when I fking paid for both of $15 lunch for .. MIND BLOWING. The dude I am currently dating doesn't even comment on it even it I pickup 10 nail paints or whatever dafaq I want. I rather hear compliments like I didn't knew you liked pink nails, that's so cute ..lmao.

jupitaur9 · 2021-05-17T21:59:05+00:00

It makes sense. Anything that externalizes costs and improves their experience is a good thing.

kinkardine · 2021-05-18T00:27:14+00:00

Reason she couldn’t prioritize self care..

If tied to a LVM ... she is exhausted with a man-child or a partner who refuses to pull their weight in their relationship, family, finance, assets.
In all other cases.. she doesn’t give a fuck tra la la la!

Hoarse_Girl · 2021-05-18T13:36:42+00:00

My experience has been that young men hate old women for entirely different reasons than old men do. Old women (usually) aren't an object of sexual attention to a young man (except for all the rapists out there who target the elderly - how again is sex about power?) and so young men treat old women like they're worthless. Old men hate old women because the writing's on the wall. Old men are virtually always fucking useless outside of doing home repairs... and once grampy can't swing a hammer, how can he show his worth? Meanwhile, old women are still needed for cooking, cleaning, socializing, and yes, also sex. How many stories have you heard of divorced or widowed old men showing up in healthcare settings emaciated and filthy because they literally won't make themselves a sandwich? Women are always more valuable even after menopause.

Really, there's no way to escape men's hate. The only way to make the situation better is to not give a shit about men's opinions.

waddamelone · 2021-05-18T10:59:09+00:00

Men only like men. They might as well all become gay so we can live in peace.

LilithWon · 2021-05-18T01:40:47+00:00

Ugh PREACH sis, this is so true

ChanelOberlin2015 · 2021-05-18T10:26:14+00:00

TLDR: Men's behavior today is literally just men trying to cope with the fact Patriarchy can no longer *explicitly* decree a woman's quality of life and activities based directly from how "naturally beautiful" she is to men. Men want women grouped into roles literally determined exactly by our looks and reproductive abilities, like in The Handmaid's tale, with the breeders, prostitutes, housewives, marthas, aunties, etc all based exactly on hotness and fertility. Except we don't have to look to fiction, we have evidence from history to PROVE this.

MODERN: the Cool Girl. Men want a "cool girl" who primps and preens and exercises and starves her way to "perfection" for him and not only doesn't complain about it, but crafts an elaborate web of lies to make it seem effortless. Example: She watches the game with him while sharing a pizza, but before that she only ate a plain salad and water all day, and when people ask, she fake blushes and thanks her "fast metabolism" or "moderation" for being a size 4. She laughs at his jokes and parrots patriarchy-approved opinions on the "great" male artists, authors, comedians, movies, etc. When this mask women are expected to wear 24/7 eventually slips, men flip out and call us fake.

MODERN: Men's paranoid obsession with make up transformations by literal professional-tier makeup artists/hobbyists, when the vast majority of women literally just cover blemishes and slap on a little mascara. Notice they specifically are distraught about potentially not being able to use a woman's appearance to decide how much respect and attention she is worthy of. ("She can only be my life partner once I take her to the pool and see her without makeup!")

I think what men IDEALLY want, is that women are literally divided into categories of matrons and prostitutes, like in Ancient Greece and Rome, with all housewives unable to wear makeup or get an education and essentially being forced into matronly, de-sexed roles. The housewife. Foodmaker, housecleaner, mother, organizer of family events, etc. Maybe if men determine a woman is too old or not pretty enough, she can be pushed into a religious de-sexed role, like a nun, and she can administrate shit men don't care about, like the welfare of orphans and management of the needy. I know this is not Ancient Greece or Rome but also a Handmaid's Tale-eque role women have been forced into historically, so it fits my basic premise. The matron fits into the "Madonna" half of his Madonna-W***e complex and her sexuality is jealously guarded, while the man sexually neglects her in favor of brothels and escorts. (MODERN: men already do this, using a de-sexed forever girlfriend for domestic chores and the physical hole he wants unlimited access to, while fantasizing about the pornstars he binges on daily and paying for OnlyFans.)

Then the prostitutes divided into classes just like in Ancient Greece. Pornai (notice this is where the word pornography comes from...) as the low-class prostitutes who men can treat like literal human garbage. Spit on, punch, r**e, ruin their lives just for some fleeting sexual gratification (MODERN: men literally already do this in mainstream porn, I have had the misfortune of seeing porn in which a woman had degrading insults scribbled on her breasts and was spit on. It was featured in a critique of p*rn, fyi. Also notice! Men's fixation with doxxing and naming p*rn stars. They can't just enjoy the picture, they NEED to know, who is she? They spam "source? name? who is she?" when they see a "w***e" they cannot identify. They can't just be satisfied with her stage name, they need to doxx her real name, make sure she stays in her category.) They get very distraught and freaked out when a woman switches or blends categories. Notice how butthurt men are when a p*rn star gets married and starts a family, when an older woman doesn't de-sex herself, when a mother has an OnlyFans, etc.

And then the hetaera, the high class prostitutes, who are allowed into the symposium (because men can literally not bear to not be around women even when discussing their totally logical rational male interests, amirite?), the women who are beautiful without makeup and perfected the art of flattery and cool girl fakery, so men put them on a pedestal and point to them to justify all other women being reduced to devalued subhuman slaves.

Whether or not a woman is allowed to get an education, keep her own money, buy her own property, decide who she gets to have sex with, participate in politics and high society and parties (note: only to a much more restricted degree compared to men of course! lol) is all determined by how sexy she is to men without makeup/effort. Men want a two-tier society for women in which all women who aren't sexy enough suffer constantly and are punished by having no rights or freedom of movement.

And if you think I am being paranoid or too harsh on men - how they see women and how they would like us to be treated in this life - I suggest you just do some research into how women were treated for millennia at the start of this so-called Western Civilization. Look at what the daily lives of Ancient Greek and Roman women were like.

Historical Source: Kurke, Leslie (1997). "Inventing the "Hetaira": Sex, Politics, and Discursive Conflict in Archaic Greece"

-Traditionally, historians of ancient Greece have distinguished between hetairai and pornai, another class of prostitute in ancient Greece. In contrast to pornai, who provided sex for numerous clients in brothels or on the street, hetairai were thought to have had only a few men as clients at any one time, to have had long-term relationships with them, and to have provided companionship and intellectual stimulation as well as sex.

-Hetaera: a type of prostitute in ancient Greece, who served as an artist, entertainer and talker aside from providing sexual service. Unlike the rule for ancient Greek women, hetairas would be highly educated and were allowed in the symposium.

-According to Kurke, the concept of hetairism was a product of the symposium, where hetairai were permitted as sexually available companions of the male party-goers.

-Free hetairai could become very wealthy, and control their own finances.

-Contemporary source from the Greek poet Philemon on Pornai: "[Solon], seeing Athens full of young men, with both an instinctual compulsion, and a habit of straying in an inappropriate direction, bought women and established them in various places, equipped and common to all. The women stand naked that you not be deceived. Look at everything. Maybe you are not feeling well. You have some sort of pain. Why? The door is open. One obol. Hop in. There is no coyness, no idle talk, nor does she snatch herself away. But straight away, as you wish, in whatever way you wish.

You come out. Tell her to go to hell. She is a stranger to you."

....So lemme get this straight, Philemon, in Ancient Greece women were bought and sold to be used as r**e dolls, displayed naked in public for men to criticize and gawk at - because how dare the slave try to "deceive" her r**ist, amirite? - and men want to be able to pay next to nothing, not even to the woman but to her pimp, abuse her and unload all their filth and negative energy onto her, and then toss her away like garbage? And this is an appropriate direction for "straying"? I want to know what the "inappropriate direction" was!

Men are predators of women, they have always been EVIL to us. There are no "high value men" because guess what the nature of men is? They might treat their housewife or, more likely, their hetaera nicely, but they will always have some OTHER woman in their life, the pornai, who they need to treat as subhuman and drench in filth. Men are energy vampires. They literally cannot exist without constantly being around women, living off female menial labor, hearing our coerced flattery, unloading their "pain" and fllth onto women they put into the "w***e" category.

When researchich I found out there is LITERALLY a prostitution service in MY COUNTRY called "Hetaera" ....omg. This shit is still going on, ladies...

I can just imagine all the nasty G*rman men being their cheapskate selves, whining about having to buy their wife a Valentine's Day gift while funnelling resources away from his wife and children to pay for a high-class prostitute...JUST LIKE IN ANCIENT TIMES MEN LITERALLY NEVER CHANGE THEY NEVER WILL WAKE UP.

rant over.

Title	Men hate us both for being “high maintenance” when we’re young and “not taking care of ourselves” when we’re old
Author	ManchurianCantaloupe
Upvotes	1325
Comments	74
Date	May 17, 2021 8:05 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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