better rules to replace "don't hit women"

_Denzo · 2022-11-30T20:27:46+00:00

Or just, never hit anyone unless it’s consensual or self defence

_BlueShark87 · 2022-11-30T20:35:01+00:00

No, just teach them that if you hit someone you should prepare to get hit back. If you’re stupid enough to provoke someone bigger than you, then maybe you’ll learn your lesson the hard way.

operative87 · 2022-11-30T18:31:40+00:00

It would be nice to make it gender neutral but I don’t think their strength/weakness should come into it. It should just be don’t hit anyone that hasn’t hit you first.

Cfwydirk · 2022-11-30T18:37:59+00:00

Rational ideal for irrational people? Your sober ideas are great for people who mostly have control of themselves. They are generally not the people who act out.

Redditors are very good at posting triggered emotional……….

Road ragers, women, men etc…. People who once triggered, act out.

solar-garlic1776 · 2022-11-30T22:14:27+00:00

Men know this rule, you swing at or hit me you will be hit back. That's the rule.

In the name of equality and fairness, if a woman swings at or hits you, you have every right to knock her into next week.

How bout we teach women and girls not to hit men

Nearby_Homework_955 · 2022-11-30T19:40:20+00:00

If she wants to act like a man then treat her like one

silly_little_jingle · 2022-12-01T00:02:10+00:00

I’d go with “everyone keep your fucking hands to yourself.”

Shreddersaurusrex · 2022-12-01T02:12:34+00:00

I hate the trope of partners or mothers hitting men in movies and shows. It spills over to real life too. Saw a woman hitting a guy who showed great restraint in not hitting her back.

Sininenn · 2022-11-30T19:47:57+00:00

That has already been a rule. "Pick on somebody your own size".

Women are seen as weaker. Violence against anyone weaker is seen as wrong.

But sometimes, the man is the more sensitive, and a victim of a stronger man, or a woman. Our society has real difficulties acknowledging that.

Honest_Switch1531 · 2022-11-30T23:12:03+00:00

These things are already taught. In fact it often goes too far and any hitting even in self defense is taught as being bad.

Most people follow these rules. The problem is that some people don't follow the rules, and teaching them has no effect.

The implication here is that every male is some barely controlled psychopath who will attack anyone given the opportunity. Nothing could be further from the truth. Men are actually instinctual protectors, just ask almost any man if he would lay down his life to protect his partner or children. Almost all would say yes without any hesitation.

Saying teach men not to hurt is actually a very anti male thing to do.

Statistically the most dangerous person a child is likely to come across is their mother. How about we teach all mothers not to drown their children in the bath. See how awful that idea sounds.

AndyBrown65 · 2022-11-30T22:04:17+00:00

“Be kind”

Remember physical violence is only one violence. Emotional and psychological abuse is also violence and causes just as much damage.

Women tend to use this violence, man physical. No one goes from a normal conversation straight into a punch fest, think about it.

denyjunctionfunction · 2022-11-30T18:49:47+00:00

Just don’t mention men or women, and teach your brats to not hit unless needed to protect themselves from physical force.

Hitting is a last resort for when leaving safely isn’t possible and is done to facilitate safe retreat. Appropriate force to stop the threat. The harm doesn’t mean you have to get some injury that requires medical care. Leaving safely also means not continuing to be hit while leaving.

rightcoldbasterd · 2022-11-30T21:14:41+00:00

the golden rule + fuck around, find out

Jukingku22 · 2022-12-01T00:53:51+00:00

If you pick a fight with somone. Always expect to get hit back

sudev29 · 2022-12-01T02:49:39+00:00

Exactly like you said, the gender specification makes it an issue to begin with. "Don't hit women" also kinda implies that hitting men isn't that big a deal/they can take it. We see a lot of scenarios where women think it's okay to throw hands to express anger/frustration/whatever and they think it's justified.

nokappa1 · 2022-11-30T23:42:46+00:00

The main focus should really just be teaching accountability.

It's a nice gender neutral rule that could reduce violence while teaching about accountability of actions.

To be perfectly honest, the reason they do it is because they think they can get away with it. To solve this problem they have to be held accountable as much as men are.

If they want to throw the first punch knowing that they are weaker, then getting knocked right out should be their consequences. Sounds like fair game to me.

2022-11-30T23:56:58+00:00

"Try to not hit them"

Jesus_marley · 2022-12-01T05:28:49+00:00

Don't throw if you don't want to catch.

GeheimerAccount · 2022-11-30T21:42:31+00:00

how about "no violence"

xXMrSpecXx · 2022-12-01T02:57:20+00:00

When a man or woman hits someone they forfeit their gender. You will get hit back

xxTheMagicBulleT · 2022-12-01T03:25:21+00:00

The new rule should be. Dont hit anyone. But if you get hit first. Beat the mother fucker up. Man or woman. Disrespect should be treated back in kind. And you should defend your self thats a given right.

Waratah888 · 2022-11-30T22:07:27+00:00

"Never hit unless you need to defend someone."

JudgementalChair · 2022-11-30T18:56:15+00:00

Everyone get's 3. Then I start swinging back

Appropriate_Plane365 · 2022-12-01T00:10:09+00:00

Don’t hit boys/girls unless they hit you first 🤷🏾‍♀️

HythlodaeusHuxley · 2022-12-01T09:43:17+00:00

Yeah lot of younger men say things like "if anyone hits me, even a woman, I hit back - I don't discriminate"

I can't really disagree

Zakk56711 · 2022-12-01T10:17:51+00:00

You come at me like a man, I'm going to treat you like a man.

Beginning-Bluebird22 · 2022-12-01T12:38:00+00:00

for realllll, the “don’t hit women” whole rhetoric kinda gives women the okay to slap blokes, which is of course just as abusive

Nathaniel66 · 2022-12-01T13:35:06+00:00

I (male) hit a girl once, was like 9 or 10y, and it was ~30yrs ago. The teacher asked the kids who hit first. She did. I was dismissed, her parents were called to school. Today things would turn out completely different.

I can tell you honestly, when i was a kid boys didn't hit girls, cause they were girls, obviously (we fought each other daily) but the girls didn't dare to hit boys cause they knew they would hit back. These were clear rules everybody knew and worked perfectly fine.

EarlyScholar7946 · 2022-12-01T14:14:48+00:00

My mom always said don’t hit a girl but smack a bitch

Lightning77Plus · 2022-12-01T15:34:09+00:00

Do not harm others unless in reasonable self-defence or in situations where all involved members have consented (i.e. a boxing match, etc.)

Explise209 · 2022-12-01T16:10:51+00:00

We could just realize this world is cruel and Just tell people to protect themselves and hopefully others

sgtm7 · 2022-12-01T16:49:06+00:00

I was never told to specifically not hit women/girls, only to not hit someone first. I did the same with my kids.

Remarkable-Ad1479 · 2022-12-01T17:23:07+00:00

Never hit women first.

Coastal_wolf · 2022-11-30T21:43:31+00:00

New rule: don’t hit people in general

Ok-Obligation5243 · 2022-12-01T05:03:37+00:00

This comments section is retarded. Just don't hit. Unless in self defence and only then, proportional. That's pretty much the law, no gender involved.

tired_hillbilly · 2022-12-01T00:27:23+00:00

How about just "Never hit first"?

TheMorningJoe · 2022-12-01T05:30:59+00:00

Don’t cry when you hit a man because your mentally unstable and he hits you back

NotYourDrugDealerYet · 2022-12-01T05:32:38+00:00

I think a better rule than “don’t hit women” is “hit women”

ThisFreedomGuy · 2022-11-30T23:50:58+00:00

As a child - let's say 8 years old or so - I got picked on a lot. Schoolyard equivalent of downvoting today. Some of the most violent were girls.

I was raised to never hit girls. So when one would hit me, I was flummoxed.

My parents explained that I should respond only in kind. That is, if the punches didn't hurt - don't hurt the person punching. And I should get away from them.

Of course, if the punches did hurt, then I should defend myself - but never with more force than was being dished out. That seemed fair. It didn't matter who was hitting me, if they were small and ineffectual, I could ignore them and walk away. And that tended to piss them off a lot!! If they were my size or bigger, or truly aiming to do harm, I could stop the attack with a measured response. And then get away.

Of course, I would get in trouble for "hitting a girl" if she really did hurt me first. However, she never did again. And fortunately, back then there was no permanent record. The bigger boys learned the same lesson, but no one ever called me to an office for that.

amkmaker1754 · 2022-12-01T04:02:32+00:00

Like we teach kids: keep your hands to yourself

Current_Finding_4066 · 2023-05-11T17:21:02+00:00

How about: Do not hit anyone!

Fincann · 2023-07-25T19:36:04+00:00

Don’t hit anyone.

Anih1list · 2022-12-01T05:37:12+00:00

I think "never hit a woman" has been an old-fashioned saying for a long time now. Women get a lot more social leeway when it comes to hitting someone without true intent to injure (and committing rape), but I don't think many people literally think it's okay to hit or rape men.

You just don't want to be that guy who fantasizes about getting slapped by a woman so he has an excuse to pound her into the dirt with wildly discommensurate force. Unless you're in actual danger, it's not usually wise to hit back because a bunch of white knights might rush you like chickens in Legend of Zelda.

Flying_Reinbeers · 2022-12-01T00:01:38+00:00

The only rule I have is to not be the one to attack first. After that, do as you wish, don't take it too far.

ApprehensiveMail8 · 2022-12-01T01:19:37+00:00

I always teach my children that it's morally wrong to hit anyone, ever.

And if you hit someone stronger than you, that is ALSO strategically idiotic in addition to being morally wrong.

WithEyesWideOpen · 2022-12-01T01:27:20+00:00

Non aggression principal is what you are looking for: violence is only ok in self defense or as a game with agreed upon rules.

matrixislife · 2022-12-01T03:00:41+00:00

No, never to hit anyone that hasn't already hit you.
Simple.

Uncle_Touchy1987 · 2022-12-01T03:14:27+00:00

Fuck that. EVERYBODY WAS KUNG-FU FIGHTING!

Meow121325 · 2022-12-01T03:38:32+00:00

DONT HIT BASTARDS UNLESS THEY HIT YOU FIRST

Lost_Jelly1225 · 2022-12-01T09:32:39+00:00

I sat and took all of the physical abuse in my abusive relationship. I don’t think a man should lay hands on a woman, still, god knows I would’ve returned the punches if she was a man… but I don’t think it’s right to hit a woman… and I was horrifically abused by one for years.

hendrixski · 2022-12-01T12:02:47+00:00

"never hit anyone".

It's arguably better to document when someone attacks you and then collect lots of money in court. Hitting back is less effective than suing back.

Also A weak person who has leverage over a stronger person shouldn't hit them either. Like if I'm a weakling and you're an MMA champ but I have life-destroying material that I'll leak if you fight back then I still should not hit you.

So it's best to just say "don't hit anyone".

AdviceYouNeed4Real · 2022-12-01T12:23:47+00:00

I mean. Isn’t that standard or is America just fck all in trouble?

DimonRot · 2022-12-01T12:38:58+00:00

No one should be hit and if it’s Defence it doesn’t f#cking care if it’s a Woman or Man

AspirationsOfFreedom · 2022-12-01T13:52:12+00:00

Dont hit people, unless you absolutly have to. In which case, be sure u only need one punch...

... cuz hitting people wrong hurts like heck

IceCorrect · 2022-12-01T15:24:28+00:00

My nephew's met and grandma told male one that you can't hit girls, then I come and tell you shouldn't hit anyone

Safetyhawk · 2022-12-01T16:50:39+00:00

Simplify it to "Dont hit, period."

Earls_Basement_Lolis · 2022-12-02T20:46:41+00:00

I've always thought "Nobody hit nobody" is a good rule, but honestly that advice could expanded on by saying "Treat others the way you want to be treated," or "All actions have consequences". Other reasons include other people might not be as strong or able to fight back and that's not fair to them in an equal society.

There's a lot of good reasons for why you don't hit other people. I suppose the question is how you're supposed to punish that as well if you're punishing appropriately. Should you answer violence with more violence?

Title	better rules to replace "don't hit women"
Author	Fix-Advanced
Upvotes	380
Comments	178
Date	November 30, 2022 5:53 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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