Employee escorted off premises. Returns (trespassing) to assault manager. Manager finally has to throw a punch back in self-defense. The whole internet is "OMG hit a woman." Every news story, title and lead is "BIG MAN HITS little woman."

I_FUCK_UP_RECIPES · 2015-07-10T12:38:32+00:00

The man later declined to press charges

Always press charges if you have the option to; the trouble is worth it to teach someone that they should not feel entitled to use violence against you.

babno · 2015-07-10T11:23:56+00:00

the woman was trying to quit her job

much earlier when the woman was thrown out of the restaurant

Defending the vaginas at any cost.

BioGenx2b · 2015-07-10T14:30:03+00:00

Panera has a zero-tolerance policy. So if someone attacks an employee, they're supposed to do what? Curl up into a ball and wait for the police? Shit, their food was already too expensive anyway.

Vanriel · 2015-07-10T11:02:20+00:00

Whilst i don't condone violence, it was clearly self defence in that circumstance. Yet the company has stated that due to that incident both employees have been fired. So he got fired for defending himself? Or am i missing something?

uabeng · 2015-07-10T14:02:15+00:00

I really like how all of these videos edit out critical evidence.

Etchii · 2015-07-10T15:25:45+00:00

So panera bread's policy is for their workers to politely accept violence upon them and any attempt to stop the attacker is met with termination?

the police even cleared the man as acting in self defense! wtf?

darwinsaves · 2015-07-10T15:52:05+00:00

Wait... So you're telling me that there are women who only want "equality" when it benefits them, and they want to keep all of the privileges as well? I'm shocked.

prnfce · 2015-07-10T16:28:27+00:00

Oh deary me the comments

No way could a man punching a much smaller, unarmed woman in the face be classed as self-defence. That was horrendous to watch- it came all too easily to that man.

Yep he must be a woman beater on the regular and the aggressor!!

shinarit · 2015-07-10T12:38:42+00:00

Police were called to the restaurant and following an investigation found that the manager was acting in self defence, according to NY Daily News.

He later declined to press charges against the woman.

Why? Okay, probably she wouldn't get anything, but it's still worth trying, isn't it?

Y_dilligaf · 2015-07-10T16:27:28+00:00

Man I'm so tired of seeing this shit. If the employee was a man he would have been layed the fuck out. I'll be happy when I love in a country where people don't think they can attack someone without getting into a fight. Fuck your controversial shitty attitude, glad she got pUT in her place.

thomas_d · 2015-07-10T18:42:14+00:00

The only way for this guy to keep his job was to allow himself to be assaulted. That's insane.

defedude · 2015-07-10T15:57:51+00:00

If the world truly wasn't sexist, the article wouldn't have said "female worker". Treating females as helpless victims is sexism towards women. She obviously wasn't a helpless victim here and yet her gender is all people see.

wafflepizza · 2015-07-10T16:29:35+00:00

damn, guess I'll have to stop eating at panera. but i'm not going to support a company that would fire an employee for defending themselves.

redwormcharlie · 2015-07-10T17:46:55+00:00

I saw this too, everyone defending her, all those people go running to her aid afterwards.

I don't get this mentality, it needs to stop, women are not precious flowers anymore, they got equality and deserve no special treatment.

If you hit a PERSON you better expect to get hit back.

Keiichi81 · 2015-07-10T18:04:21+00:00

Panera Bread said both the manager and the female worker had been fired as a result of the incident

How could she have been fired as a result of the incident when she had already been fired prior to the incident?

composer77 · 2015-07-10T21:24:37+00:00

From what I could tell from the audio, she slapped the shit out of him moments before he unloaded, and then swung again and missed about a half second before he defended himself. Maybe to some people there is a "choice", and he could have backed away, but I'd like to see how they react after getting slapped that hard, and then have another swing coming right at their face a half second later. Anyone who thinks the guy could have handled it better has probably never felt the surge of adrenaline that happens when you get slapped or hit that hard. I understand his punch looked purposeful, but he was probably trying to knock her out as cleanly as possible, before it turned into an all out brawl (where he would have risked getting hurt, and she likely would have gotten hurt 10x as bad). I also think people should understand that in the heat of the moment, the way we react to adrenaline is instinctive, and most of us have only a small amount of control over whether we run, freeze, or fight.

Let's also think about the woman's reaction here, she slaps the guy so hard he's momentarily dazed, and does she stop? Apologize? Leave? No, she immediately tries to hit him again, because she already hurt him the first time, why not keep doing it? A real "victim", to be sure.

TLDR - Give the guy a break, he was assaulted, battered (slapped quite hard, probably to the point where his ear was ringing and he was seeing stars, and she barely missed the second time), and defended himself against a recently fired employee.

Elvick · 2015-07-10T19:43:15+00:00

If a smaller man was in place of that woman, the size of the men wouldn't matter. Well, people might say "That little guy should have thought more about hitting such a bigger man!"

Who initiated the altercation is all that matters. Which is how it should be no matter the people involved. Short of escalation of violence, ie; pulling a knife or gun after being hit once and stabbing/shooting them.

If you start something, expect that the other person will finish it. Which is why you don't start something.

I don't know why we as a society can claim to care about the safety of women, when we don't expect them to know that hitting someone is a bad idea. We just tell other people [men] to not hit them back. Seems stupid to me.

Bearded_Deity · 2015-07-10T15:31:31+00:00

Dont you know as a man there is no such thing as being a victim by a woman? If you are a man, and a woman twice your size/weight walks up and starts punching you in the face, you should let her. Its only proper. If a woman takes advantage of you while your drunk, its not rape, because men cant be raped. You need to learn, being a man basically means you are allowed to do nothing but take it, allow yourself to get beat up, or hurt, or abused. Society demands it!

sarcasm; for those who didn't get it

cajunrevenge · 2015-07-10T16:26:55+00:00

He would have been fired if it was a man he hit too, although it might never go public. Companies like this have a policy that you cant defend yourself if being attacked. If attacked your supposed to curl into a ball, start sobbing, and piss/shit yourself.

ndguardian · 2015-07-10T18:43:12+00:00

Wow...the wording all throughout that article is HEAVILY biased on the side of the employee. You can definitely tell how the writer of the article tried to convey the situation there.

General_Fear · 2015-07-10T21:49:53+00:00

I am sick and tired of this BS. The attitude is that a man never hits a woman. That women are delicate flowers. Why then do we have female soldiers and female cops?

If men should protect women from harm then why put them in uniforms and sent them to the front lines?

wanderer779 · 2015-07-10T15:41:30+00:00

If you go to the comments people who call out the BS are getting upvoted which is nice

VaginalBurp · 2015-07-10T19:36:22+00:00

WHY WOULD HE NOT PRESS CHARGES!!!!???? He's fucking FIRED for defending himself. So he should just hang out and let her assault him however she sees fit until she's done?

In all seriousness.....it's stories like this. I don't think I would ever hire a woman. How can he be fired for not wanting his eyes clawed out, or get his balls kicked through the top of his head?

gtfomylawnplease · 2015-07-10T20:00:35+00:00

Suppose it was a man the same size as the woman, would it be ok to hit him back? Of course, but a smaller man would understand he's getting hit back if he throws a punch. He's not been conditioned to treat his gender as a handicap.

youdonotnome · 2015-07-10T20:24:25+00:00

The author of that article should be ashamed of himself. It doesn't even mention the first slap which is loud as shit and everyone reacts to it in the video. Seriously, it's the most slanted article I've ever read. Fuck Sam Matthew

DergonSteps · 2015-07-11T02:47:37+00:00

The male boss, who is clearly taller than the junior employee, was then captured swinging his fist

Holy shit. They put emphasis on the words male and taller.

The_BeardedGentleman · 2015-07-10T15:36:15+00:00

Crazy. Its almost like if you act aggressively towards other humans you'll get some kind of reaction out of them.

bobbage · 2015-07-10T10:26:28+00:00

I'm not sure the manager really handled that in the best way possible, to be honest. Panera seem to agree given that they fired him over it.

The articles about it also report that he had previously physically thrown the woman down a flight of stairs, he seems far from innocent here.

She didn't seem to be posing much of a threat to him but he really belted her. From the guy taking the video:

You might wanna say she hit him first, but really he had FULL CONTROL over her the entire time, was throwing her around, I think she gets one slap in that was louder than it was painful, then he half punches her once, she spins, and then he REALLY FUCKING PUNCHES her. You can even hear me and my friend yell DON’T HIT HER just before it… I checked on her for a while after the cops left, she seemed ok, she kept saying he really got her in the ear mostly which I know stings like a bitch. She was bleeding a little, and had cuts on her hands but she seemed ok after the adrenaline wore off.

I'd say the same if it was a man he was punching and throwing down stairs. Especially if the man in question was half his size.

It may have not have been legally prosecutable but that doesn't mean it was the best reaction either.

And try not to link the Daily Mail, thanks.

thaloopdigga · 2015-07-10T20:53:58+00:00

well the police determined it was in self defense so no rights violated here. which is a good thing. I was about ready to flip my shit if they'd arrested the poor bastard

Kloebeashi · 2015-07-10T16:37:27+00:00

He was probably having a shitty day

thrustinfreely · 2015-07-10T17:43:42+00:00

Oh SNAP! Oh SSSSSSNAP!

JJrodny · 2015-07-10T19:24:09+00:00

Linked to it in /r/TwoXChromosomes - I'd like to see the discussion they generate

tygertiger · 2015-07-10T20:54:21+00:00

While there currently aren't a lot, the majority of comments on the article itself support the manager and his right to defend himself. That's a good sign.

TheCitizenAct · 2015-07-10T22:38:59+00:00

Don't feel bad. Chivalry is long dead.
She's equal before the law. She decided to hit you. She made that choice; she knew the repercussions.
Charge her.

ThePigmanAgain · 2015-07-11T01:59:46+00:00

Amazing. Even the cops say it was self-defense, yet morons still see it as a shocking thing for him to do.

TheMer0vingian · 2015-07-11T07:18:47+00:00

Wow, this article irks me. Nowhere in the title or the recollection of events does it ever mention that she attacked him first or that she was deliberately trying to incite him into using violence to get him fired. The entire time it just goes on about how appalling it is that a large male hit a female employee. What a joke excuse for journalism.

inspiringpornstar · 2015-07-10T16:44:18+00:00

Of course everyone agrees you shouldn't start a fistfight, especially with a woman, but you wouldn't just let a woman knock you out or seriously injure yourself if you can prevent it.

I'd like to start a fight with someone who believes this zero tolerance policy bs just to see what they would do (as an experiment with best intentions and not to break any laws), I guarantee instincts will kick in

hotsizzlepancakes · 2015-07-10T19:14:25+00:00

he was fired

Fastbreak99 · 2015-07-10T14:04:53+00:00

Not trying to stir the pot, but I don't see the self defense that clearly here. She was struggling and they grasped each other, but I don't see her make a real strike.

The FSU QB in a bar? That was obviously self defense, but here I don't think the cameras shows her being the initial aggressor. Is there a timestamp I should pay close attention to?

fucks-like-a-tiger · 2015-07-10T16:33:26+00:00

This case is exhibit A of why a man retaliating equivalently against a woman's violence is a bad idea. Unless it's Rhonda Rousey punching me, I think I'm just gonna suck it up.

Solo413 · 2015-07-10T14:21:42+00:00

If u ever in thay situation... watch the hands , keep pushing them away.. stomp on her foot and push as hard as u can.... they will fall over usually sprain an ankle which makes them incapable of fighting.. there is no need to smack or hit.. just put ur foot on hers and push ..

Protect yourself

Webonics · 2015-07-10T19:14:26+00:00

Once again this shitty subreddit defends a grown ass man sailing a hay maker at some tiny girl who swatted at him.

Collectively you people are the biggest pussies on the planet.

qdobe · 2015-07-10T16:38:30+00:00

Let's be clear here. He absolutely did not need to hit the woman. He should have just manhandled her out the door. But he cocked his fist way back and unloaded. This is a similar situation to the FSU QB. I disagree that she should not have been charged but at the same time I am not surprised he got fired.

Edit: Self-Defense vs. Retaliation

finebalance · 2015-07-10T15:49:26+00:00

We walked in, in the middle of her quitting her job mid shift. She was yelling at a different manager than the one who hit her and was throwing some bags of chips on the ground, threatening to turn up in this bitch, etc. Really nothing I haven’t seen before or wouldn’t expect from someone who has to work at a fucking Panera all day. Then out of nowhere white shirt manager approaches her and immediately gets physical with her, keep in mind she’s about 5’2 at most and he was bigger than me... He legit threw her down a flight of stairs and out the front door for really no reason, she runs around to the other entrance to retaliate and that’s where the video starts. You might wanna say she hit him first, but really he had FULL CONTROL over her the entire time, was throwing her around, I think she gets one slap in that was louder than it was painful, then he half punches her once, she spins, and then he REALLY FUCKING PUNCHES her.

Read the entire witness statement.

Look, there are plenty of cases where I've seen violent women be hypocritically defended, but if the witness checks out (which makes the police statement exceedingly problematic, or conversely the witness unreliable), this is clearly not one of them. She's 5 feet 2 for fucks sake^%. He allegedly threw her down a flight of stairs. And punched her, straight out. Are you seriously defending this shit? And god, some of the comments: animal, seriously?

This sub has given me some great info and really helped me articulate some issues I've had with feminism for a while, but if the top comments to this story are about blindly defending this guy - exactly what we accuse feminism of doing - then what exactly is the difference between the two movements?

%The stature is important because it is quite possible for somebody of his size to manage a violent person of that women's size without hurting them. That he chooses not to do so, is problematic. And yes, to preempt an obvious critique: I would use the same argument if it were a man of that stature.

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