Needle exchange program put in place... for FEMALE addicts only.... because if you have a penis and an addiction issue, you don't matter

Mike12344321 · 2016-03-31T11:44:29+00:00

"Women in the community are at a greater risk and vulnerability because women generally borrow and share needles more than men do,"

[[Citation. Fucking. Required.]]

Eryemil · 2016-03-31T05:39:57+00:00

This is vile. Like literally monstrous.

It seems like the only way you can get sympathy as a man is to get your limbs blown off in a war or doing something else "heroic". For men, humanity is something that must be earned.

Sometimes it feels like I'm the only person around me that even sees male suffering as an inherently bad thing, without qualifiers.

vhisic · 2016-03-31T06:26:41+00:00

This is such blatant sexism. But its cool cause "fuck men" right. Maybe they will just kill themselves off if we only help women. Making things about gender that have nothing to do with it pisses me off.

This though... this is appalling. Its not even a service i will ever need (i hope) but just thinking there are people being denied help because their gender, all this does is promote males to leave their needles in whatever park they were shooting up in. Its counter productive to its own cause by segregating men and women unnecessarily.

Imnotmrabut · 2016-03-31T11:37:47+00:00

But women are at a higher risk of contracting diseases through sharing needles, which is why the group needs this additional service, said Kim Levergood, women HIV outreach coordinator with AIDS Committee of Windsor.

I never knew that Women were more susceptible to blood-borne infection than men? You learn a new claim that needs debunking every day.

Revoran · 2016-03-31T10:58:00+00:00

HIV and hepatitis don't discriminate, so neither should these people.

They're going to let men suffer and die because they're sexist fucks.

Wow.

Wargame4life · 2016-03-31T13:03:12+00:00

well then you can also fund it without mens tax dollars you fucking bigots

double-happiness · 2016-03-31T10:20:42+00:00

Will they refuse supplies to a male addict who turns up and aks for them? (Drug addicts are not well known for being organised or good at rule-following, so it will happen).

What about MtF trans folk? Will they get service?

ChaosOpen · 2016-03-31T14:35:44+00:00

But women are at a higher risk of contracting diseases through sharing needles, which is why the group needs this additional service

They must get these statistics from the same place they got the statics to say that women receive harsher punishment than men in courts.

acetonicAce · 2016-03-31T12:57:58+00:00

...aren't men more likely to engage in substance abuse in women? And similarly, aren't there more male users than female users? I almost want to walk in and ask them where the hell their priorities are at.

Misogynist002 · 2016-03-31T14:12:37+00:00

This is legitimately enraging for me. My local needle exchange helped keep me from making stupid decisions and may have even saved my life. Now im doing research in an engineering lab as i finish my degree, opportunities i may have never had if not for the exchange. Fuck these cuck faggots.

SigmundFloyd76 · 2016-03-31T13:16:59+00:00

Canadian ex prescription opiate addict here. Clean 7 years.

There is a direct relationship between this issue (our general lack of empathy for men suffering addiction) and the disproportionate suicide rate. I would have certainly killed myself in 2008 except my daughter was born and I had no choice anymore.

The key to understanding the opiate epidemic is two fold:

1) Opiates, especially short acting opiates (oxy contin, Fentanyl, etc) are the MOST EFFECTIVE anti-depressants known to man. Period. And this is well known in the industry.

2) Big pharma choose to market short acting opiates as if they are low risk for addiction. Prescriptions went up by 700%. It turned out, not only were they wrong, but they knew full well that short acting opiates are, in fact, the MOST ADDICTIVE.

So what do we have? We have a substance that is the best anti-depressant ever invented that turns out to be extremely addictive. What could go wrong?

I coined the term Opiate Addiction Industrial Complex. I'll leave it there for now, but this is a major issue for the MRM.

Good post, OP.

abusementpark · 2016-03-31T16:51:32+00:00

This will likely get downvoted, but straight from the article:

"This latest harm-reduction initiative is spearheaded by the AIDS Committee of Windsor, which already offers needle exchange services to men and women in the downtown.

But women are at a higher risk of contracting diseases through sharing needles, which is why the group needs this additional service"

Seems like men have somewhere to go, are not being denied help, and statistics support an increased demand for assistance for women.

jmg83 · 2016-03-31T17:20:06+00:00

This is why I only give money to homeless men. Too many people feel sorry for women on the streets, while ignoring men.

Political_Cuttlefish · 2016-03-31T20:21:56+00:00

Luckily there appears to be at least one gender neutral needle exchange in the area. link

ThePigmanAgain · 2016-03-31T22:06:34+00:00

Special treatment when they are the majority of victims, special treatment when they are the minority of victims -- such is the way of the matriarchy.

"Women in the community are at a greater risk and vulnerability because women generally borrow and share needles more than men do,"

Good evidence that women are more stupid than men.

NotMyButtBand · 2016-03-31T22:58:16+00:00

"Mothers are particularly reluctant to ask for safer supplies because they fear they could lose their children if anyone knows about their addiction"

Shouldn't they have their kids taken away if they're slamming drugs? WTF?

Apparently children's welfare is only important when it comes to men paying child support.

TheDude41 · 2016-03-31T06:41:07+00:00

NrthnMonkey · 2016-03-31T13:26:31+00:00

The article says there are existing needle exchange services for both men and women, but these additional services were needed to manage the higher number of women sharing needles.

Hypertroph · 2016-03-31T19:27:36+00:00

Why is this a problem? It's like this subreddit sees anything for women and gets up in arms. You people claim to be more rational than the feminist movement you oppose, but I'm pretty sure most people here read the thread title only before becoming outraged. Maybe at most skimmed the article. Very few seem to have read it.

So, tell me why this is a problem. Is it because they're excluding men? Nope, this initiative is an ancillary program to help an at risk group, and men still have access to Windsor's other needle exchange programs:

This latest harm-reduction initiative is spearheaded by the AIDS Committee of Windsor, which already offers needle exchange services to men and women in the downtown.

Is it because men need the service more, but women are given premium access? Nope, and the article claims that women are actually more hesitent to use such services, hence this targetted program:

Mothers are particularly reluctant to ask for safer supplies because they fear they could lose their children if anyone knows about their addiction, Levergood explained. Instead, they choose to share needles, which increases the risk of contracting diseases.

Is it because they spent extra money on a new building, or somehow favoured women in providing a new facility? Nope, this program is in an already existing women's shelter, which also explains why it's women only:

Welcome Centre Shelter for Women will be offering clean needles and literature on how to avoid contracting blood-borne illnesses as part of the pilot project.

So we have a new program for women, in a women's shelter, that exists alongside a program for both men an women without excluding anyone, because women are less likely to use the already existing needle exchange program. This program is a response to an existing problem to provide women with equal opportunity access for something they were scared to use before. As a harm reduction initiative, this is exactly what I want to see.

What I don't see is why there's a problem. I'm not sure if it is trained knee-jerk anger (which people really need to stop acting like Tumblr if that's why), or genuine sexists angry at any program targetting women, without consideration as to why it's needed. In either case, I'm extremely bothered by the responses here.

ReallyGreatGuy · 2016-03-31T15:29:51+00:00

Feel free to email Mayor Drew Dilkens with your thoughts:

[email protected]

http://www.citywindsor.ca/mayorandcouncil/pages/mayor-and-city-council.aspx

giygas73 · 2016-03-31T17:03:13+00:00

As someone who was a heroin addict in Ontario, having needle exchanges always confused me a bit. To get needles, all you have to do is go buy them at a pharmacy over the counter (you don't need a prescription) and they are like literally $5 for 20 iirc. Sure, this saves them some money I suppose, but really I'm not so sure sharing needles is as big of an issue in Ontario as it is in the USA (afaik in the USA people can't just buy needles like that, so these exchanges are necessary).

The thing is though, I get it, people need whatever support that they can get, and going to an exchange may lead them to seek help there like conselling or to get more information about methadone treatment or rehabs, etc. The part that I DONT get though is why this is suddenly a gender issue. Males and females both suffer the same from addiction, they both have veins, etc. Going to shoppers to buy you needles is just as shameful to a mother as it is a father, so what is this artcile really trying to poke at with that comment? The part about this that makes me sad is that it's just another example of how women get preference in health treatment. It just doesn't seem rational at all - "you can have a clean needle, you can have a clean needle, oh wait, hang on here, you're a man, sorry but I guess you can just fend for yourself".

I think this is another issue where gender shouldn't even be a part of it at all.

Azothlike · 2016-03-31T19:27:35+00:00

This is what happens when your national law allows discrimination for "disadvantaged" groups.

Canada. Sinking ship.

NotPCNeverWillBe · 2016-03-31T23:52:54+00:00

Mothers are particularly reluctant to ask for safer supplies because they fear they could lose their children if anyone knows about their addiction, Levergood explained. Instead, they choose to share needles, which increases the risk of contracting diseases.

I would have loved for someone to take my sister and I away from my heroine addicted, prostitute mother. Our childhood was a fucking nightmare. When you get to the point that you're exchanging needles frequently you should not have custody of your children.

RebelWitch · 2016-03-31T14:52:32+00:00

This is yet another example of feminists pretending they bring great female leadership yet it falls flat on its face. Female leadership is the most sexist, bigoted most failed leadership in human history when you tally up all of the abuses and discrimination by feminists excluding men while demanding men include women in everything they have done.

you go girl

Ladieswholove · 2016-03-31T09:15:06+00:00

Shouldn't female drug addicts constantly be in fear of losing their children? Hey are bloody dug addicts and have drugs and needles in the flat... Look at peaches geld off who jacked up with her baby beside her and died. Kid was found with dead mother next day...

Drug addicts should have their children removed!!!!

Mister_Kurtz · 2016-03-31T15:13:52+00:00

"This latest harm-reduction initiative is spearheaded by the AIDS Committee of Windsor, which already offers needle exchange services to men and women in the downtown.

But women are at a higher risk of contracting diseases through sharing needles, which is why the group needs this additional service, said Kim Levergood, women HIV outreach coordinator with AIDS Committee of Windsor."

holzy444 · 2016-03-31T13:44:55+00:00

According to their logic the problem isn't that people are spreading diseases and possibly dying from sharing needles, but that women are getting these diseases at a higher rate? They really take 'equality of outcome' seriously.

Folamh3 · 2016-03-31T14:10:03+00:00

I've read in several places that men, as a whole, are more likely to become addicted to drugs than women. Is that true? Does anyone have sources?

continuousQ · 2016-03-31T16:48:27+00:00

So is there also a needle exchange program for men, or is this it?

Not sure why you'd need start out with sex discrimination here. I could see maybe some specific cases of PTSD leading to persons not being able to be around persons of a certain gender, but that only means you need to figure out how to accommodate them, not how to exclude anyone else.

McFeely_Smackup · 2016-03-31T17:39:12+00:00

Mothers are particularly reluctant to ask for safer supplies because they fear they could lose their children if anyone knows about their addiction, Levergood explained. Instead, they choose to share needles, which increases the risk of contracting diseases.

So..how does a needle exchange change anything?

You dont' get hepatitis or HIV from reusing your own needles, you get it from sharing them...so what does exchanging your old needle for new do to stop sharing?

It's such a logical disconnect that I suspect the article author is using the term "exchange" improperly.

Leinadro · 2016-03-31T17:47:38+00:00

You know what? Let them have it. But the next time someone starts up an initiative to help only I dont want to har a fucking thing about it.

7hunderpants · 2016-03-31T18:32:24+00:00

And men are more likely to be substance abusers.

FruitierGnome · 2016-03-31T18:46:18+00:00

We really are just disposable needles to them.

Zoidbergluver · 2016-03-31T18:58:58+00:00

This is not saying men do not matter. At all. There is limited funding and resources for anything, so it makes sense that the most vulnerable population get the most help to combat it. Females suffer more from the effects of sharing needles, so they get a needle exchange program. This isn't some conspiracy men, it's allocating the resources to the most needy.

MRMRising · 2016-03-31T23:04:37+00:00

But women are at a higher risk of contracting diseases through sharing needles

Citation please

RobDog101 · 2016-03-31T23:57:29+00:00

This is gendercide.

JamieJericho · 2016-03-31T13:49:58+00:00

"This latest harm-reduction initiative is spearheaded by the AIDS Committee of Windsor, which already offers needle exchange services to men and women in the downtown."

Reddit1990 · 2016-03-31T17:53:33+00:00

What the fuck? This legitimately pisses me off, I have family whos used and the thought that they would be denied just because of having a dick really upsets me.

MrZexyz · 2016-03-31T18:25:14+00:00

"Women are at greater risk.."

Herein lies the heart of this offensively sexist article. Women are at greater risk for osteoporosis. diabetes, back pain all because of the physical attributes of their bodies. This verbiage is appropriate because it's all medical.

Drugs, you get into the social and mental. Women are at greater risk of infection because, "women generally borrow and share needles more than men do." In other words, Women take more of these risks more often to keep their addiction secret, (he said, blaming the victim and whatever..) All I'm saying here is this doesn't inspire hand-wringing to me; I think this point backfires.

It sounds like education is needed. Teach these women how to get clean supplies without risking their freedom. Giving them a super-secret needle club seems like the wrong move, (especially if the risk of infection is supposedly greater. ) I wish I could understand why these bleeding-heart acts always want to shelter people deeper instead of helping them stand.

questionnmark · 2016-03-31T08:20:35+00:00

I think it's a reasonable explanation. The only issue is not that it exists as much as there is little desire to set up similar services for men. I have no issue with the service perse.

gazork_chumble_spuzz · 2016-03-31T15:05:54+00:00

There are still programs available for men, so pulling this "men don't matter" shit is pointless. Men matter and they can still get clean needles if they need them.

They felt they needed an extra one because more women than men share needles. Perhaps there were more women coming to the program than they were able to help so they launched a program just for women.

Didn't anyone here actually read the article?

Title	Needle exchange program put in place... for FEMALE addicts only.... because if you have a penis and an addiction issue, you don't matter
Author	TheEssexian
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Comments	227
Date	March 31, 2016 5:13 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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