Kevin Samuels at it once again

-Ivar-TheBoneless · 2021-04-11T14:36:12+00:00

All the females that call Kevin are always asking for men with money so naturally that would be an older guy. They aren't asking him about getting a good guy they can build with. If they were I'll assume he'll tell them to get the guy you recommend.

samplistical · 2021-04-11T22:28:38+00:00

I think the simplest explanation for the show is that it just functions as one big reality check. Earlier on in the show, most of his advice came down to this basically:

Men - if you want to improve your dating prospects, take steps to improve your income, network, and style.

Women - if you want to improve your dating prospects, take steps to improve your fitness, femininity, expectations, and address any past trauma.

Now the show has grown and become more popular, the most delusional callers make for the best entertainment because they serve as the best examples of the extreme. There's still solid advice in there, but you may see less of yourself in the callers.

I don't think using extremes to teach is a bad thing though. He does often speak about the top 20% of males in terms of earnings and the top 20% of females in terms of looks. They serve as examples, in the same way a high school football player might look up to the pros. The chances of him making the NFL are slim, but he can still learn how to improve his skills and knowledge of the game by looking at the pros.

NarniaFox · 2021-04-11T15:10:38+00:00

I have one major question. ~~Why the hell do they ask for advice a TRP coach?~~ Do these women want to be SAHMs?

If they do, I'd say that it's more important for them to work on some kind of passive income or at least on their own savings and ideally premarital flat, so they wouldn't be dependent on their partner.

But I do doubt that a majority of his audience aim for this kind of lifestyle and speaking frankly he's just advising women to become gold-diggers en masse. There aren't any benefits besides financial (and even that is not given) in dating a much older guy. It looks like he's giving them bad advice in order to fulfil/sublimate his own desires or just to impose ideas that would benefit men but not women.

I'm also curious why people ignore life expectancy difference and health issues. Men die younger and their libido gets down with age and quite a good share of them starts having problem with erection as they age. Just...why? Who wants to become a widow in her 50s? Eh, the idea of having sex with a much older dude is repulsive, I can't help it.

luliloo · 2021-04-11T22:09:15+00:00

Actually, I think he’s helping the women realize how hard it would be to get a HVM. He rates them to show them that they’re average and they really don’t bring anything special to the table for a HVM.

When he’s pushing them to go for older guys, he’s showing them that what they think they want isn’t really what they want. They think they want a HVM but if an actual HVM showed up, they would complain that he’s too old. The women would be happier with an average guy but they’ve been conditioned to think that’s settling.

He talks specifically to the black community which he says has a big issue of women believing they should hold out for a HVM. He’s trying to pop that bubble.

ubuntuuuuu · 2021-04-11T14:58:16+00:00

How having an old husband who will be in control of the money could be a good thing for me? He obviously doesn't really care about women's wants, he just wants women to sacrifice and make old men happy. Why would listen to him?

MyLife142 · 2021-04-11T14:43:24+00:00

Kevin Samuels is looking out for men like himself. He has no interest in helping these women out. As a young black woman with no kids, I don't take advice from a 2x divorcee. I don't take advice from Derrick Jaxn or Steve Harvey. The women that call Kevin Samuels' show are looking for marriage or long term relationship with a high value man, but most high value men aren't marriage worthy.

JohnDoe9564 · 2021-04-11T14:31:29+00:00

Why push women to marry men 20 years their senior if he believes these men aren’t even looking for them.

These men don't even want to marry them, they want to fuck them.

No old guy likes having the 20 year old bimbo around him 24/7 who's only hobbies are Netflix and Yoga

_lemazaki · 2021-04-11T15:12:21+00:00

You have a point. But potential is a bet anyway.
Which is better for you? A established 100k? Or a potential 100k?
What if that 100k potential becomes a 45k and you lose 10 years?

Beehive39 · 2021-04-11T16:12:58+00:00

The women who call Kevin want money. Typically, men at the prime of their careers are the ones making the money that these callers want. If these women were future-minded they would find men at the colleges they attend who have good future prospects, and maybe that happens often, but these callers wanted the guys making that money now, normally because they are starting to age and need to provide for a family on an expedited time scale. Or the women think they are drop dead gorgeous (they're not) and somehow too good to build with a man who is her actual equal.

With that said, I will say that from what I've heard of Kevin he is far off on his estimates of how much it takes to support a family. He is often telling women that in order to support 3 kids and her, the man needs to bring in $400-500K/yr. If you start the conversation with the assumption that a man must bring in that much, of course only older men would qualify.

reluctantly_red · 2021-04-11T15:53:08+00:00

Most 150K to 250K guys are fairly ordinary. Their well above average incomes still aren't enough to make hot young women wet. If a 45 year old pharmacist is looking for a wife to have a family with he's going to end up with a rather ordinary 30 to 35 year old with a rather ordinary career (i.e. teacher or social worker). If he doesn't want kids he'll hook up with similar age high level professional.

Stevefr0mYellowstone · 2021-04-11T15:09:25+00:00

He seems very reactionary and rage batey tbh The women he talks to all Seem a bit 'off' (which they would be, considering they're phoning up some 'guru' for advice).

Stevefr0mYellowstone · 2021-04-11T14:34:32+00:00

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Stevefr0mYellowstone · 2021-04-11T15:10:20+00:00

Why push women to marry men 20 years their senior if he believes these men aren’t even looking for them.

Because when you have a majority of average, dime a dozen women being fed the delusion that they're all entitled to marry a rare attractive, tall, 6 figure plus, above-average high status man what you will inevitably have is a ton of settling. In this case the women are settling on looks and youth for an older man who is still wealthy and high in status. Most women are average and or lower and therefore will not even be on a high-status mans radar for anything more than sex. Sorry girls, any real High Value Man is not going to pass up on 9's and 10's to settle down with 7's and 6's and if for whatever reason he does do not expect faithfulness. However if an average women pitches to a man significantly older than her than her looks and youth place her are at an advantage. Also there will be more wealthy and high-status men in the more mature age groups as males typically earn more the older they get and climb the corporate ladder. Kevin is very practical so he's offering practical solutions. If you're an average women either marry average, marry older or don't marry at all. Disney movies over, welcome to reality.

Hoopy223 · 2021-04-11T17:28:27+00:00

Why the butthurt? Most women aren’t going to be interested in that stuff. They will want guys their age with similar backgrounds.

Those who call into that show want a very specific man; 35-45, well to do, alpha blah blah blah. Where its more status and driving a certain car/living in a certain neighborhood type if thing.

Except they cannot get that guy in Real Life so they make endless online profiles and call into dating shows looking for guys who “love Wine and Traveling” lmao.

majani · 2021-04-11T17:31:47+00:00

Kevin Samuels isn't red pill. In fact I'd say he's trying to solve the problems in the black community that came about from black people being too red pilled

crookedsummer2019 · 2021-04-11T14:58:03+00:00

99.9% of women don’t even know who this dude is. And the ones who do are looking for older men with money they can use for resources. So yeah, for women who want to use men for resources it makes sense to marry the older guy with the cash.

But not all women want to fake affection for resources so I wouldn’t ponder over this too much, most young women are still marrying men closer to their own age.

BioStu · 2021-04-11T18:25:41+00:00

Because if he just told them that they are too ugly to land one of these men, he wouldn’t have a show

LightOverWater · 2021-04-11T19:08:50+00:00

The women who call in want HVM. Kevin walks them through the process of helping them understand their value and what HVM want. He then advises a lot of women to go for average men because they just won't ever get a HVM. He particularly recommends this to the high-earning women because they also tend to be older, have kids, and want a guy making $400k because she makes $100k. He'll go through the math explaining why they won't find the guy making $400k and based on the women's value she needs to be looking at the guys making $50k.

In other cases if the woman has children he advises them to go back to their children's father if possible.

Tl;dr: he advises many of these women to seek average men.

Fuego213 · 2021-04-11T15:00:36+00:00

I’m really glad I procured my type to not include women who’d take advice from Kevin Samuel because this all sounds like a miserable approach to dating.

A bunch of push and pull to see who can get the bigger slice of the pie, no actual substance.

icedhumblepie · 2021-04-11T18:00:44+00:00

High-Value men in his definition are men who make at least 6 figures and have been making so for 5 years. Generally, they’re going to be 35+ years old. I get that. I don’t disagree. These men want young, beautiful wives. Nothing less. Not older.

I don't think I do agree, actually (not disagreeing with you, so much as Kevin Samuels). As you start to build wealth, you have increasingly more to lose. Six figures isn't really that much, in the capital cities of the West. The lawyers, doctors and finance types I know in that age bracket and income bracket don't want trophy type wives. They want a great, safe option to raise a family with. Personality and character over appearance, stability and fecundity over sex appeal.

Maybe it changes once you get to half a million per year plus, that demographic I don't have much experience with.

gofigure62 · 2021-04-11T15:49:17+00:00

Kevin samuels doesn't know what he's talking about. He has multiple failed marriages under his belt and can't maintain a relationship with anyone.

There's also many rumors that he's not even heterosexual.

Idk why anyone would listen to someone who isn't even capable of maintaining a successful relationship. If someone is going to consume dating advice, at minimum, they should find someone who is successful at dating.

Just because someone positions themselves as a guru doesn't mean that they should be acknowledged as one.

Flightlessbirbz · 2021-04-11T21:39:59+00:00

Why would women ask relationship advice from a man who hates women? That is like fish asking for advice from a fishman. He’s going to give advice that is in men’s best interest, not theirs. Lmao hard pass.

Don’t marry an older man who will have financial control over you. The relationship will almost certainly turn abusive. Also a bad idea to marry a guy who will drain your resources. It’s always best to date/marry someone who is more or less your equal and maintain a level of financial independence. If you really wanna be a gold digger, do it right and marry an 80 yr old man with no family and an unspoken arrangement between the two of you.

Stevefr0mYellowstone · 2021-04-11T17:25:40+00:00

The women who call into Kevin's show just help provide the evidence that all women want that top 20% man, even though the vast majority of those who call him aren't in the top 20% of women. That said, there is a certain amount of confirmation bias there. In all odds the woman who is in that upper echelon and is getting that high value man has no reason to call his show. Also I do think that Kevin has become popular enough where there are a lot of women who call his show that aren't doing so for a genuine reason. They are there to get camera time on a popular Youtube channel.

I like Kevin a lot but I do think he leans a little too much towards the beta side of things when describing the high value man. He focuses so much on the amount of money these men are making but not enough on how physically attractive they have to be. Not that there aren't numerous red pill channels that do this and do this well. But if I have one complaint with him, or at least a flaw in the way he does his shows it is that. The focus is way too much on the money side of things.

Ok_Razzmatazz_1751 · 2021-04-11T19:14:31+00:00

As being a woman myself, No way I would ever get into a marriage where we were not sexually compatible or fulfilled by each other, that just leads to dead bedroom and resentment down the road. Age gap marriages are disgusting especially as the man ages . Nothing attractive about old man bodies and the younger wives see that ... literally Evidently this Kevin doesn't know that there are really hot men in the middle class arena. And you can live comfortably in the United States with both couples earning middle class wages. Most women nowadays would rather work , earn independently , than stay home taking care of crotch goblins all day long . Women have seen enough relationships fail and also divorce statistics, to know that nothing is forever, and make sure they're established in their own right so they are not left high and dry. Only a very ignorant woman nowadays with allow herself to be pinned in such a way that she would depend on a man 100% financially for her well-being with no educational back up or at least part time career , especially if she's going to procreate.

nemma88 · 2021-04-11T20:33:54+00:00

He's just thinking of his own situation and copy pasting it, he is unable to remain objective and can only really answer based on who he is, which is fine, he's selling a product - I just personally wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in it and I don't buy bridges.

I would say though, average women could get a rich enough man through demeanour. When older men (not you teenagers) are looking for a wife, wife material comes before hawt, especially those who have past their first wives.

I mean personally someone who had a starter wife is a big fook off red flag anyway, if you were going there you make sure you're either going to be the last wife (aim 60+....also known as the 3rd wife or deathbed bride) or either no prenup or a prenup that will protect the woman when the husband inevitably leaves.

Ladyofblades · 2021-04-12T16:49:36+00:00

Kevin Samuels is peddling a fantasy to non-UMC individuals who have no clue that this is not how high net worth individuals operate. Most older high net worth men do not marry super young women as they tend to value brains experience and maturity as well as class markers. Only outliers tend to. Most older men in this category have wives 30+ even if it’s their second marriage.

Low six figure incomes do NOT make you wealthy (in a high COL area you might as well have roommates still). Net worth does

Goldenone269 · 2021-04-13T00:34:57+00:00

It doesn’t make sense at all. Plus marrying men decades older is exactly how many women wind up alone and widowed in their older years.

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annabeelongx · 2021-04-12T15:34:29+00:00

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healththrow345 · 2021-04-14T11:26:59+00:00

If 6 figures was enough for women tech bros wouldn't be infamously single. You don't even need to date 20 years older for them too. Same in NYC with finance guys. Also those numbers range. For instance, at least 40-50% of west and east coast men in cities make 6 figures. I saw he had a woman call in from California one time. Told her only 10% of men. If these women are highly educated than theyre more likely to marry other educated men. It's called assortative mating. Stats show most of these hvm don't marry young women but their age and typically successful themselves. They also meet their spouses after college. It's one of the leading causes of the wealth gap. Kevin states average black man makes 42k? Location matters. I'd urge a black woman to date outside of her race as an option if she was not living in the south or midwest. That number would have a family in poverty. It is much easier for women to date out.

Donotenter77 · 2021-04-15T00:13:16+00:00

You articulated this perfectly.

fdslied2U · 2021-04-15T10:31:10+00:00

If these women were willing to get with someone average within the age range that they are in they would have some time ago. Kevin is informing these women that if they want to have children and not have to work afterwards. That they will have to compete for a man who has the means for that reality. The point hes trying to make is that if they wont compete then they might as well get ready to work until age 65.

pearly_shell · 2021-05-13T11:48:00+00:00

Eh. Money can't make me wet unless it comes from someone who is reasonably attractive. And for me, that means someone who is not old enough to be my father.

I'm a simple woman. As long as dude's got a job, takes care of himself fairly well, and can stay loyal, he's good.

bigrick82 · 2021-06-17T00:56:52+00:00

He advises many women to build with a blue collar man that is making pretty good money. They can be a team and she can be his helpmate to move up to being high value with him. A high value woman has different requirements than a high value man. Many women don't want that,and there in lies the problem. Patrice O'neal said it best,"women don't want to win,they want winners"

Title	Kevin Samuels at it once again
Author	annabeelongx
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Date	April 11, 2021 2:27 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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