What is Red Pill for you?

anonymousppd123123 · 2026-02-17T13:05:06+00:00

Alright let's do it. Im going to add to here between sets until I have a comprehensive answer.

What do you believe in?

Reasoning is born from first principles so thats where we start before going down to the corollaries. The main divergence point between bloopers and red pillers is blank slatism vs gender essentialism. Bloopers think differences between the sexes are a product of socialization and society and red pillers view them as innate, irreconcilable. There used to be much more overt blank slatist bloopers but I think time and knowledge faded that away. Both sides engage in a good amount of cakism as well, bloops will gladly acknowledge differences between men and women and frame them as innate for men if they paint men in a bad light.

The next rp first principle is accepting the unfairness of the world around us and using that information to put yourself in the unfairly advantaged camp. The way I view this is a seesaw with 80% of men on the left and 20% of men on the right and the right side is winning. The only rational action to take being aware of this is pushing, clawing, doing anything you can to get to the right side where the pussy floodgates open and you get more than you can handle. This is the primary divergence point with blackpillers who want (usually someone else) to correct the unfairness instead of looking for emergent circumstances where they're a top pick

With bio essentialism differences it's easy to observe the massive gap in mean strength, endurance. Nobody denies that anymore. But when you get to the mind, people observe the massive gap in STEM even when you give women free rides endless preferential treatment and basically beg them to show up. They don't want to/can't. This is handwaved as men are better at stem. No they're not, the overwhelming majority of men are dumb as fuck and if i start talking to them about something like gradient descent or translating neural networks they will look at me like im an alien. I don't like that everyone makes the observations and then stops there without understanding why or accepts shitty half baked answers. Accountant tier intellectual laziness.

13% higher male genetic variability covers everything. If you take a population split it by half both at the same mean one with standard dev x one with 1.13x the top 10% has 1.5 men for every woman. The top 3% has 2.16 men for every woman. Top 70,000 in the USA - 6.32 men for every woman. This can be used to retroactively get back to all the observations once you understand that male variability holds true for all traits and not just intelligence

The glass ceiling is genetic

Yes women are mathematically provably much more monolithic

The most statistically advantageous position for a man in the market is occupying the middle of everything extremely generic which has roughly 3x more women than men. Nichemaxing is provably terrible

More top men have much larger difference in looks vs avg and ugly men meaning the halo effect disadvantages men much more on aggregate

The larger gap between winners and losers make it logical for women to pursue top tier men

How do you see other red pill men here?

Don Draper I dont think about you at all. I think im smart enough to be cult leader and if you gave me meta's database I could create a deterministic model for attraction in 2 months

There are a good amount of black pillers posing as red for rules reasons

How often do you disagree with other red pill men, and about what?

Usually bio essentialism cakism. Trying to argue that men aren't more violent is just the same kind of rejecting reality cringe feminists do. Observable reality doesnt cease to exist when you stop liking it

Safe-Mention-7181 · 2026-02-17T10:48:52+00:00

RP put most simply is a set of beliefs about human nature, particularly in the area of relationships.

Any determination beyond that is a personal opinion that may base its reasoning on RP knowledge / belief, but may seek completely different outcomes.

For example, taking a RP observation / belief etc. that women hold out on sex for those men they categorised as a provider, while freely jumping into bed with an "Alpha", there are many different outcomes you can still take.

Maybe having this RP knowledge will make you be patient with women if you are happy to play the provider role.

Maybe you will look how you can change your behaviour so women categorise you differently because you don't want to be seen as a provider.

Maybe you decide women are too much of a head fuck, and you just want to be yourself and not deal with their BS.

So 3 types of men, all RPilled, but all with different outcomes in mind and different actions to take.

This gets even more complex and varied when you have men seeking certain outcomes for the greater society.

No-Rough-7390 · 2026-02-17T13:46:39+00:00

I believe that it’s not my job to set myself on fire to keep others warm, which means I am self-interested until I have the capacity to effectively help others.

I spent a lot of my early 20s doing the opposite of this and got colossally fucked over time and time again. Once I put myself first, others started to as well and my life improved dramatically . I cultivated a life I value and enjoy quite a bit, had numerous women enter and join for some time (often times simultaneously by their own choice), and am now married with a family. It all still applies. And as a result, I have a great relationship with my wife and have been able to help countless guys in my network get themselves out of the hole.

I disagree with other “RP” guys all the time but it’s mostly because they don’t actually understand the content or have gone doomer pill and don’t see it. I often spar in here with non-RP people that for the life of them don’t get it either despite watching/reading more RP content themselves than an actual RP dude. It’s weird.

I’d say my major gripe with most of these guys is that they don’t actually know what they want. They know the buzzwords, the catch phrases, the principles, and they wanna get laid but they have no conceivable idea as to what to do after that happens and oftentimes they’ll revert immediately showing they were just wearing the praxeology as a skin suit (aka purple pill).

I’m okay with disagreement though. I’ll get my fair share of things wrong just like they will and occasionally your old way of being sneaks up on you, but it’s part of staying the course.

Adam_Faith_No_More · 2026-02-17T10:57:11+00:00

On the nuts and bolts level, I believe in the basic evolutionary psychology of mating typically peddled in TRP. I find it to make a lot of sense. "Feelings" are secondary to the biological purpose of something. We feel a certain way because we respond emotionally to certain basic biological triggers. And then we rationalize those feelings, based on a number of social rules (we don't want to see ourselves, or be seen as bad people, superficial etc).

So, 1st tier = biology. 2nd tier = feelings. 3rd tier = rationalisation (this is where blue pill social conventions and romanticism operates).

On a more personal, emotional level (a.k.a. "what am I supposed to do with all of this stuff?") I believe in radical acceptance, in a sort of "water is wet" kind of way. This is how stuff works, you can either adapt to that, or not. At the end of the day, your personal peace is what matters - whether that involves women or not.

I'm not too fond of the rage baiting aspect of TRP, the schadenfreude, the "ideology" that some make it out to be (TRP really isn't), and all the stuff that I don't think is conductive to your personal peace and acceptance. I get the entertainment value of laughing at someone's misfortune, but I don't think content along the lines of "THIS WOMAN DIVORCED HER HUSBAND, AND INSTANTLY REGRETTED IT" is particularly red pill.

I'm old school red pill, not a trad-con. I'm in opposition to traditionalist conservativism, just like I am in opposition to leftist progressivism. I think TRP has largely been taken over by traditionalist conservativism - the very thing it originally objected to. So naturally, I don't find myself in agreement with most redpillers these days.

James_M_Croft · 2026-02-17T15:11:06+00:00

TRP is not consistent because it is not a set of beliefs as much as it is a place where a bunch of men compare notes in regards to sex, dating, marriage and women.

TRP asks you to make your own mind, and we do, so we disagree a lot. If you want a set of beliefs, I recommend PUAs. We don't like to just listen, we like to debate and discuss.

There are however certain ideas that reached consensus in that they work with everybody like AF/BB, AWALT, Hypergamy, etc. These are known to work from Japan to Boston, so we tend to keep them around. Outsiders recognize it as our "sets of beliefs" but it is more like "set of non socially accepted truths".

What do you believe in?

Self improvement, and improving in getting sex. I am in my 40s, I can't do just the bare minimum to get laid anymore. I need always good insight, and TRP is a great way to achieve it without needing to test every idea I have through trial by fire.

How do you see other red pill men here?

Because we have a rule against black pills, we have a serious issue of blackpills who use the red pill flair, but outside of those? we have a healthy red pill population, we just don't spend all day every day on the internet, we have better uses for our time, if there isn't an interesting discussion that may be a good insight? Most TRP men just lurk.

How often do you disagree with other red pill men, and about what?

All the time, there is little in common between TRP outside of the basics that work for everyone. There is even some leeway in then really. But it is not out right "you are completely wrong" but more minutia that may be useful to our success with women.

AreOut · 2026-02-17T10:38:21+00:00

why not just visit trp sub then?

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DzejSiDi · 2026-02-17T14:59:53+00:00

My standard is what you can(could?) find inside TRP and what people like Rollo or Michael Sartain are saying. I won't be more specific because I don't want to write something like table of contents here.

The thing is i talked to many of you here, and there were a lot of times when i repeated something red pill man said and my opponent claimed it was not red pill.

Speaking of "specific", this is not very concrete itself. Instead I've seen many times some out of ass BS that indeed was "not red pill", and when you asked OPs where they find it - radio silence.

How often do you disagree with other red pill men, and about what?

I agree with like 95% of popular info I've found, and if I disagree with something, usually it is just an opinion of one guy, not "community consensus". But I have my own example of often repeated BS and that's a quote from Chris Rock:

"Only women, children, and dogs are loved unconditionally. A man is only loved under the condition that he provide something"

Nah bro, there is no "magic love", all love is conditional, just in men's case it is easier to not fulfil condition(s), so it is more visible.

midnight_blue77 · 2026-02-18T10:04:47+00:00

The Truth.

It is not a "set of beliefs" as if it were a matter of opinion or politics. It's a set of facts, as in, Reality and Truth.

A Red Pill is a metaphor for a kernel of truth that causes one to open their eyes to the bigger picture, to wake up, to realize, and to disconnect from the machine.

Red Pill is basically a synonym for a Maxim. Notable Red Pills (or Maxims) include:

All Women Are Like That (AWALT). Implying women share common and predictable traits.
Your co-workers are not your friends.
Hypergamy.
Monkey Branching.
Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.
The 80/20 Rule of women's attraction.
She was never yours, it was only your turn.
You can either love women or you can understand them, but you cannot do both.
The 6-6-6 Rule.
Women love men for what they provide, not for who they are.
Women, children, and dogs are loved unconditionally. Men are loved on the condition that they provide something.
Women always sell sex, always. If you think you got it for free it's because you are paying for it elsewhere.
Women would rather share a high value man than be saddled with a faithful loser.
Briffault's Law. When a woman determines that associating with a man will not gain her any profit, resources, gains, or advantages, no such association will take place.
Women are born, Men are built.
Men are born with nothing with which to buy. Women are born with something to sell.
The game only ends when you stop pretending there isn’t one.
In a game that is rigged against you the only non-losing move you can make is to not play the game.

Ego73 · 2026-02-17T10:48:24+00:00

The thing is, you can't really explain what it means to be red pilled without bringing up The Matrix.

Neo had a boring office job which represents everything society expected from him. It really has a lot of ramifications covering all areas of life, but considering this is mostly a dating forum, we might equate that with limiting sex to monogamous marriage, probably with the intention of raising children within the nuclear family structure.

So, everything that supports pushing a normative lifestyle onto everyone is blue pilled. Supporting individual choice and alternative forms of sexual behaviour is red pilled. MGTOW and PUAs fit within this latter category.

funfacts_82 · 2026-02-17T10:43:29+00:00

not simply "red pill is a tool" or "red pill is right and blue is wrong" and for the love of any god you believe in, don't bring up matrix.

Asking a question and limiting the answer in that way is intellectually dishonest. Sometimes the answer is that simple.

abaxeron · 2026-02-18T15:11:41+00:00

As TRP has largely coalesced in response to feminist madness, it's fitting to describe it in terms borrowed from feminism.

Truth 1: Men and women are not the same. Men are not women, women are not men. (and we have reached the insanity point where even this statement might land you in hot water)

Truth 2: Men and women are not equivalent; they are different in stimuli / reactions, needs, and performances. Consequences: There is no such thing as a woman "doing exactly the same work" as a man, and the Golden Rule does not apply - at best, treating women as you want to be treated will waste their time, at worst land you in prison.

Truth 3: Men and women are not complementary. We are not in a video RPG that has to maintain sales through balanced character builds. Sex differences exist by themselves and not for the sake of "fairness" or to compensate for deficiencies in a happy harmonious ~~team~~ relationship. Nature never intended for men and women to tolerate each other for any longer than a handful of quickies in a lifetime, this is all that was ever truly required to propagate the species.

Truth 4: Men and women are not mutually comprehensible. A man may ask, "Okay, if I should not treat a woman how I want to be treated, how should I treat her then?" - and the answer does not logically follow: have upper body strength of a gorilla, heart of a nomadic warlord, and confidence of Zeus high on ambrosia. - "But that doesn't explain how I should treat..." - Yes it does! That's the trick! - "But that's stupid!" - No, that's stupid TO YOU. To women, it makes perfect sense.

Title	What is Red Pill for you?
Author	Lemon_gecko
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Date	February 17, 2026 10:33 AM UTC (5 months ago)
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