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Where do we as a species go from here?

July 27, 2022
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[There is a little bit of controversial language in this post, but please bear with me...]

If women cannot overcome thier hypergamous nature, and a large portion of men cannot raise themselves up to be deemed as suitable partners. Then where do we as a species go from here?

I spent a long time thinking about this and cannot come up with any good answer that would be ethical to all parties involved.

The social (and largely religious) institutions which deliberately implemented monogamy are quickly disintegrating. The rapid downfall of this cultural paradigm has led to a re-examination of all our moral values, a process which we have not yet completed.

Monogamy isn't (and never was) the natural state of human relationships so naturally it is a moral process that is now under scrutiny. The concept of one woman being paired with one man for life was only adjudicated into our moral vocabulary relatively recently. With the earliest records of "marriage" being a scant few thousand years ago in Mesopotamia. And even then, there isn't much proof it was a widespread practice.

Even if you don't exactly see hypergamy as an issue, I think most of us can agree having lots of permanently single men with no incentive to participate in society is a very bad thing.

This is a discussion which does eventually need to happen on a large scale. And a solution does need to be formulated. But what exactly that is, I have not the slightest clue.

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[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 11 points12 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

We don't go anywhere. some men will stay single and some won't. Society isn't going to all change for the sake of the lowest ranking men.

[–]EugeneCezanne 3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

The low ranking men are who may change society. There are consequences to have an increasingly large, dissatisfied, anti-social populace. Anthropologists have linked it to increased crime, political destabilization, and more. It has even been suggested that the reason monogamy spread so quickly is because monogamous nations, by virtue of having more men with something at stake in their homeland's success and families to provide for, therefore fielded better armies.

[–]cast-away-ramadi06 3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

therefore fielded better armies

Some people might be dismissive of your points but I think you're spot on and that scares the shit out of me. If there was a draft due to a war with China or Russia, I don't see enough able bodied men sticking around unless those countries attacked attacked US territory. I don't feel particularly vested enough to risk my life unless the country is under direct attack and even then I might consider leaving. Never mind risking my life for our 'allies' that have been funding great social programs due to the protection we've been providing for the past 75 years. I truly believe that most men my age and younger feel the same way.

If there was a draft, I have no idea how they'd field enough units. There just aren't enough healthy young men who would give a shit and I say this as a vet.

[–]EugeneCezanne 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

To be fair, I think the early weeks of the russia/ukraine war proved that morale and logostics are low among Russian troops. Honestly any untested army is probably in a similar state of unreadiness.

[–]cast-away-ramadi06 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely. Russia is not doing well. I still wouldn't risk my life or the lives of future children for Europe's protection. Unless the US was invaded, I wouldn't do it again anyways.

[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree that monogamy is the best way out of this mess, but although religion you're just expecting sexually successful men to give up their success to make the less fortunate men more included. Although that would probably be best for everyone, including the currently successful men, I can't see it catching on.

[–]EugeneCezanne 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree that monogamy is the best way out of this mess

Oh, no, I fundamentally disagree with that. What needs to be treated is the underlying cultural reality that an adult man without girlfriend/wife/family is seen as a loser, treated like an outcast, has little community support, and therefore no reason to live.

That's why when you talk to young incels, their real feelings are not that they're so horny it makes them evil; it's that they feel alienated, powerless and have low self-esteem. Giving them a woman won't solve that, it will just make it her problem.

[–]Exciting-Necessary-5 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Society isn't going to all change for the sake of the lowest ranking men.

You do realize that throughout history, things like "lowest ranking" was never permanent right?

[–]Ok_Razzmatazz_1751 26 points27 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Guess it's only a problem if you are single . The rest of us in relationships live life . Getting married , having childern etc.
Maybe us relationship people will have to live in gated communities while the rest of society goes insane ....

[–]Britannia_Forever 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Are you suggesting we use The Lobster to model our society?

[–]Ok_Razzmatazz_1751 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

What's the lobster you gotta link lol

[–]Britannia_Forever 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]Ok_Razzmatazz_1751 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Well that's plausible I suppose .lol

[–]LiftSushiDallas41F Your Pill is Retarded 19 points20 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Since I don't want kids and won't have a "legacy," I have the privilege of not needing to give a fuck what happens with gender relations in the future. My focus is me and my happiness until I pass on!

[–]mcove97No Pill 6 points7 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Are you me? I'm 25F and feel the exact same way

[–]AnnoxisTenebraerumMan attempting to be reasonable 6 points7 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

I will mention that the amount of story of women that held the same opinion as you at 25 and were pregnant at 30 is high enough from my experience to be funny and to give you the advice to be careful.

[–]mcove97No Pill 2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I am staunchly childfree and eat birth control like it's candy. I'm definitely very careful.

[–]AnnoxisTenebraerumMan attempting to be reasonable 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I think you missed my point (or it was a forced smile sarcasm, but in doubt...). They all became pregnant willingly. They all changed their mind.

[–]urukgay2022B 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

eat birth control like it's candy

Not very healthy.

[–]Klinakaunt 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Honestly I feel the same, but I don't get the need to comment that you don't care. Obviously the question is for those who do care and want to discuss it. What's the point of going to, say, a post asking a question related to botany, just to comment you have no interest in it whatsoever lol

[–]toasterchild 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would suppose that would depend on where you posted it, if it was in a debate sub then it would make a lot more sense.

[–]hellsingsoutoftune 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]LiftSushiDallas41F Your Pill is Retarded 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure what you mean.

[–]urukgay2022B -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I have the privilege of not needing to give a fuck what happens with gender relations in the future.

Don't expect them to give a fuck either as you are abandoned in a nursing home.

Antichild people shame parents for expecting their children to care for them, and yet antichild people push for taxes to force other people's children to pay for their health.

[–]LiftSushiDallas41F Your Pill is Retarded 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I won't be in a nursing home. I'm making good money and saving for my own retirement. I'm also keeping healthy. If my health ever declines and I can't be independent, I'll just move to a pro-euthanasia state or country.

[–]urukgay2022B 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm making good money and saving for my own retirement.

Inflation will make any amount of money worthless. As population go down that money will puff as you need to pay more for care as less and less workers were born.

[–]Dafiro93 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure, if you leave that money as cash under your bed. Most people who have retirement accounts, usually hold their money in investments since that will grow as you age.

[–]NockerJoePervert Palpatine 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The answer is, fuck it it isn't your problem to solve. If some woman would rather ve a single mom or be single forever that isn't your issue to work through. If you want kids that bad you can adopt. If you wanna fuck then work to that and deal with what you need to make it happen.

If all of us not participating in this society becomes a problem then the high minded rulers of that society can come down and make us an offee. Until then your only real concern is your own happiness.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean can’t it be argued y’all aren’t participating in society as it is?

[–]NockerJoePervert Palpatine 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure, but the difference is insread of fretfully worrying about a resolution you should be enjoying the resulting lack of responsibility.

[–]Wide_Result9679 7 points8 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

I know 5 women in relationships with men who make less than they do and you're here claiming female hypergamy is destroying the world.

A guy can be a great partner without making tons, being super hot, or whatever the guys on this subreddit think.

[–]sfalgoBlack Pill Chadlite 2 points3 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

[–]nvkr_Blue Pill Man 6 points7 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Well either it is hardwired into every womens brain or it isn’t

[–]God_Hand_9764Purpled 5 points6 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

It is hardwired into men's brains to want to fuck smoking hot women, but what percentage are actually pulling it off?

People settle for the best that they can get, all things considered.

I would say that just about any women wants a man who makes as much money as possible. Men want a woman that's as physically attractive as possible, and couldn't give much of a fuck about her money as long as she isn't broke and dragging him down.

This person's anecdote is fine but if you look at real statistics, 70% of couples have the man earning more.

I'm not even saying that hypergamy is a problem that needs to be solved, it's just nature. It would just be nice if people were honest with themselves about reality.

[–]nvkr_Blue Pill Man 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I can’t tell you anything about the nature of most other peoples relationships, whether they are genuinely happy or just settling. But I can tell you that I’ve been on both ends in relationships and it didn’t feel like settling, as far as I can tell on both sides. I’m sad that you deprive yourself from feeling something like love by just saying that it doesn’t exist, but that’s on you in the end. You won’t be able to talk me out of something I’ve experienced first hand.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

You know y’all constantly claim you just want acknowledgment.

LOOK AT THIS POST!

You don’t want acknowledgement you want fear so women will force themselves to fuck y’all.

Nah, let it burn.

[–]Wide_Result9679 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can happily speak as a woman who's dated guys with more money and men on my income level.

There's more to life than money.

Give me a guy who respects me, splits chores, shares common interests, and I'm attracted to, over a guy who makes a bunch but thinks that means he has to give less to the relationship.

In my experience, guys who make more think they don't have to try as hard in the actual relationship, and it's soul-destroying.

You want to go by what the majority do, you might as well say the latest Marvel movie is better than some deep indie flick that hit you hard cuz hey, more people like Marvel, right? That's a sad way to view life that doesn't work.

And as I said, I know 5 couples personally where the woman makes more. 1 in 8 stay-at-home parents are now men. Society is changing for the better imo. Men aren't just what they make and women aren't just their looks. Most guys I know say they'd take a slightly less attractive woman with a brain/personality over a hot woman without much going on upstairs, and based on their dating choices, they're not lying. Do looks matter? Duh! No, as anyone in an LTR can tell you.

[–]Wide_Result9679 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are less likely to marry up than ever before. I agree it'd be great if you were honest with yourself about reality.

"If anything, people are more likely than ever to marry into their own class, as a report from the Institute for Public Policy Research showed this year. Of people born in 1958, just over a third of women had a partner from the same class as themselves: 38% married up, while 23% married down. For those born in 1970, 45% married into the same class; of those born between 1976 and 1981, 56% married into the same class, with a far smaller proportion (16%) marrying up."

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/oct/19/class-divide-relationships-posh-rough

[–]Wide_Result9679 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"If anything, people are more likely than ever to marry into their own class, as a report from the Institute for Public Policy Research showed this year. Of people born in 1958, just over a third of women had a partner from the same class as themselves: 38% married up, while 23% married down. For those born in 1970, 45% married into the same class; of those born between 1976 and 1981, 56% married into the same class, with a far smaller proportion (16%) marrying up."

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/oct/19/class-divide-relationships-posh-rough

Women are far less likely to marry up than ever before, no longer just my anecdote. You think women of the past LIKED having to marry for money over personality, common interests, friendship?

[–]HazyMemory7 18 points19 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

There is no overarching solution. Women are inherently hypergamous by nature, and there will always be some men that aren't able to find love and reproduce.

I don't think the hypergamy is problematic in and of itself. Women carry more reproductive risk by virtue of carrying a child for 9 months and giving birth. They should try to get the best man possible. In modern society, however, hypergamy has reached an extent where a lot of women are shooting for men that would never in a million years commit to them, but refuse to improve themselves. Men they can't realistically attract.

This occurs in large part because of their increased options via the emergence of OLD and social media, and because they conflate all of the interest they get from men wanting sex with them as interest in dating seriously. Single mothers don't realize that being a single mother eliminates most of their dating pool, but they're picky as hell anyway.

There are certainly solutions that could alleviate some modern day societal issues. For example: addressing the state of marriage and family court to make marriage less of a risk for men. Any woman that commits infidelity should be automatically barred from receiving alimony. Just to be clear, men shouldn't cheat either; I merely said any woman because women make up 98% of alimony recipients. Paternity fraud should result in jail time. A pre-nup that does not violate any laws should be upheld regardless of whether the judge personally deems it to be unfair or unequitable.

But the "solution" for men is really to just focus on your purpose, understand female nature, adopt an outcome independent abundance mindset and strive to be the best version of yourself.

[–]poppy_blumonogamous slut apparently 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

But the "solution" for men is really to just focus on your purpose, understand female nature, adopt an outcome independent abundance mindset and strive to be the best version of yourself.

You realize this is what most normal men are already doing? Turns out when you don’t close yourself off from world and allow yourself to be radicalized by angry internet nerds, people suddenly start to want to spend time around you.

Who knew.

[–]HazyMemory7 12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Men are starting to wake up but I would not say most normal men understand female nature. And most people in general absolutely do not have an outcome independent mindset.

Hell most people in general, man or woman, aren't trying to be the best version of themselves which is why the average american is borderline obese.

P.S. I don't subscribe to the notion that understanding reality is radical.

[–]Antisocial_Nihilist[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't subscribe to the notion that understanding reality is radical.

Thanks for acknowledging this.

As soon as you start using terms like "hypergamy", despite the word being well established in scientific vocabulary, people here on Reddit immediate dismiss your talking points as radical and not grounded in any sort of reality.

There is tons of research into these topics and the funny thing is, is that most people aren't really denying the facts and statistics anymore.

If you try and debate so called "blue pill" people on these topics, more often than not you just get people throwing ad hominem attacks at you than doing anything to dispel your arguments. Because they can't.

They know all these things exist, but they're past the point of trying to disprove them and instead focus on ridiculing men who suffer from these issues instead.

[–]hutavan 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't subscribe to the notion that understanding reality is radical.

Anyone who challenges the opinion of le wholesum redditor is radical terrorist. No exceptions.

[–]hhhhhhikkmvjjhj 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In Norway there was some study that found that women reuse wealthier men to start families with, so I think you will see more of this. Also populations will shrink. Plus more single moms.

But that’s about it. I don’t think there will be social distruption. Thanks to automation and toys we can entertain adult men. A lot of elderly men and some women will be very miserable in the future especially in counties like China and some European countries as there are not enough people to care for them so they will die alone in their poop, literally.

Politically we will get a larger and larger pile of men and some women also who are not attached to the future of society. Plus with the enormous boomer population. These people won’t care for the environment and future oriented politics that much, more about lowering taxes and living in the now.

[–]sarkington 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

To 11 billion people by 2100, apparently

https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-growth#summary

[–]mcove97No Pill 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And people are worried about declining birth rates lol. Sure, modern countries will take a hit to their economy but it's not like humanity is a dying species.

[–]Britannia_Forever 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you really think the countries with birth rate issues are gonna be the main contributors to the population growth?

[–]NateHate1402 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It will correct itself eventually, it’ll just be a painful correction.

[–]cunningcaring 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are making a lot of assumptions that are not true.

[–]Substantial_Video560 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm indifferent so couldn't give a f..k. I gave up dating a long time ago so just focus on myself nowadays. If I want my sexual needs met I'll see an escort. Have considered buying a sex doll in the future. It's just finding the storage space for one.

As for where the human species goes from here I really couldn't care. I'll just watch it crash and burn! 🔥

[–]John_OakmanLVM advocate 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Those who reproduce will replace those who don't, it's a self solving issue in the long run.

[–]yamb97 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Literally just this, there’s no wild apocalypse, birth rates aren’t globally low, plenty of people to go around.

[–]WillyDonDilly69 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not necessarily because if the death rate is high and people who choose not to reproduce those who reproduce won't replace shit

[–]toasterchild 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's only an issue economically for countries who are anti immigration.

[–]_why_do_U_ask 2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

If women cannot overcome thier hypergamous nature, and a large portion of men cannot raise themselves up to be deemed as suitable partners. Then where do we as a species go from here?

I do not think that is going to happen, humans of both genders will persist to continue on with children in however possible. If not, we will become instinct. Myself, I think that will happen, the next major meteor strike.

[–]RedditsOlderBro 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

psst. hey buddy. type 'hypergamy decline' into google and put a smile on that dial. don't forget to promote gender equality in your community while waiting for that meteor.

[–]_why_do_U_ask 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do not base my thinking on the Google god, and my community is fine with how gender is defined. Take care sport.

[–]hhhhhhikkmvjjhj 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

More likely there will be population stagnation and shrinkage. Look at Finland, Italy and China for what the future will hold. Just a lot of miserable older people.

[–]_why_do_U_ask 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

miserable older people

Not all will be unhappy. The areas that will increase will likely agrarian cultures.

[–]hhhhhhikkmvjjhj 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Agreed, also those with low pensions etc who can’t pay for good service. I think life as a childless person can be quite good materially but it can also feel a bit pointless. After a while you get tired of hedonistic living.

[–]_why_do_U_ask 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

How do you know, or are you assuming? I do not believe in the Hedonism as a philosophy of life.

Edit: Correct wording

[–]Specialist_Heat6001 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It will happen for sure, overpopulation is a serious issue Also pollution and climate change

[–]_why_do_U_ask 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

overpopulation is a serious issue

Was, that is changing, ask China.

[–]Claymore-Roomba- 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's the miserably fun part of being a being. You never really know where shit's gonna go next.

[–]EnteFetzBlackpill Man 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

In the middle ages in the middle east men were allowed to marry up to 4 wifes, while most poor men remained single and even virgin their whole life. Societies like that have existed, but by the current state of the middle east one can argue that it did not go well. Below average men in these societies really do losing all ambitions once they realise that they won't ever get a wife and resort to smoking Hashish all day and just wasting their time until they die in a stupid way. That is basically where the west is heading right now. Desirable men will have harems, while unsedirable men will smoke pot and waste their lives while the infrastructure and society as a whole disintegrates.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

30% are sexless, 30% and for the most part Reddit icels already weren’t participating in society…

Automation the thing people feared would take over many jobs, is here, they’re down to like 2 Walmart cashiers 😂.

People get married daily, have babies daily. We aren’t even seeing the beginnings of an apocalypse.

The odds of global warming taking us out before an incel uprising is just much more likely.

[–]M_LaSalle 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If women cannot overcome thier hypergamous nature, and a large portion of men cannot raise themselves up to be deemed as suitable partners. Then where do we as a species go from here?

OP confuses the problems of the West with the problems of the human species. They are not equal and coordinate.

The West has ceased reproducing itself demographically and will disappear. It will be replaced by non Western cultures that breed to replacement. The human species will continue as it always has.

Any culture that does not breed to replacement has no future. The wages of infertility is final death. Human civilization will continue in a more sustainable form.

[–]SmakeTalk 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

When you refer to hypergamous women are you speaking specifically about a portion of women who happen to be hypergamous or are you implying all women are?

[–]Antisocial_Nihilist[S] 10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

All women have a hypergamous nature. It is biologically hardwired.

Just like all men have a higher biological predisposition towards violence than women do.

To doubt that female/male nature exists is just absurd.

[–]PMmeareasontoliveNeither casual nor marriage 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just like all men have a higher biological predisposition towards violence than women do.

To doubt that female/male nature exists is just absurd.

There are differences but I have zero faith in people's ability to study them dispassionately and arrive at actual conclusion.

For instance your thing about violence. I would not be surprised if that were largely due to body dimorphism and some socialization. In other words, if women had the body mass that men do and men the body mass of women, I wouldn't be too surprised to see physically violent acts redistribute accordingly.

In fact, reading the female posts on this sub, dudes would be in trouble if the female of the species were larger.

There would still be competition among men, which would spur violence, but I'm not even sure that isn't in large part culturally produced.

In part your dismissal of the female propensity for violence (which could be other than physical, right?) is more of the "women are wonderful" effect than actual science.

[–]SmakeTalk 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol k

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All are

[–]Lift_and_LurkNo Pill 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What they said would happen ten years ago: beta uprising

https://amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/beta-uprising

What actually happened? Nothing.

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[–]poppy_blumonogamous slut apparently 11 points12 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Is this the 4th or 5th the world is collapsing cause no one will fuck incels post today? I’ve lost track.

[–]Antisocial_Nihilist[S] 8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

"Incels" are in and of themselves an issue that is arising from this. Do you honestly think they just randomly popped up in a vacuum?

And pretty much everyone here on Reddit agrees that incels are a big problem for society.

I'm trying to get a constructive conversation going. That is all.

[–]RedditsOlderBro 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Incels" are in and of themselves an issue that is arising from this. Do you honestly think they just randomly popped up in a vacuum?

definitely not. the internet allowed a unique opportunity to close yourself off from reality and confronting ideas and wallow entirely in a warped psuedo-reality created by people just as sad, angry and wrong as themselves.

being an incel is actually classified as radicalisation in some academic circles. meaning the incel brain is as warped, detached from reality, and wrong as white supremacists, jihadi terrorists, or any other hate group.

[–]AelfredRex 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whiny selfish incel types were always out there. The Net just allows them to gather together and whine even louder.

[–]poppy_blumonogamous slut apparently 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

There is literally no one in my real life who knows what an incel is (except my husband but only because I read him PPD posts sometimes).

And no, you’re not trying to get a conversation going. You’re wallowing in some nihilistic revenge fantasy.

[–]Antisocial_Nihilist[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

trying to point out a real issue on the rise and come up with an ethical solution that would benefit everyone involved

"You're on a revenge fantasy".

Pick one.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The world population will reach a peak and will then start to decline and that's all we sort of know

[–]Notsonewguy7Purple Pill Man/ Ex-hetero 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The trend continues. A happy ending is not assured and looks different to a lot of people.

No solution exists or is Necessary. The situation is just what it is.

[–]MembershipPlus2082 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the biggest worry that can come out of this situation is population collapse, as less people in western countries are having less kids. the US is below replacement levels of existing population.

Where does this take us? Governments are opening their gates for more immigration and increasing taxes to fund single moms.

I don't think single men are going to revolt. I think single men are still participating in society, they just don't date and have kids.

[–]sfalgoBlack Pill Chadlite 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Reversion to the genetic mean of two women for every man successfully reproducing. Or perhaps 4-5 women for every man as it was in "recent history". I don't see any "solution" to this. This is definitely where we're heading imho. It's probably going to be a rough ride. You can already see evidence of this happening in Nordic countries.

Reference: http://awakeningtimes.com/8000-years-ago-17-women-reproduced-for-every-one-man/

https://sciencenorway.no/childlessness-fathers-forskningno/a-quarter-of-norwegian-men-never-father-children/1401047

[–]Antisocial_Nihilist[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You're right.... I feel like my post was worded poorly.

Here is the real question: What will we do with all the excess men?

Because there really is no stopping the current trend towards polyamorous societies. It's all about damage control at this point. 42% of millennial men in Japan currently have never been with the opposite sex. And this has caused a lot of issues there, an otherwise extraordinarily safe country.

I cannot fathom what will happen if in a place like the United States, the rate of male celibacy reaches upwards of 40%. The writing is on the wall for these numbers to be reached in the coming decade. In some Nordic Countries it's already around 25%, and in the US it's not far behind.

That's why I'm making this post. To try and find utilitarian solutions. But I'm starting to think there really is none that could feasibly work.

[–]fnonpm 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The thing is no one cares

Communities are gone so all you have are strangers that can temporarily make you feel good

So for problems that make people feel bad they will have to ignore it

My solution is the development of full sense virtual reality

After single men wagie slave they can come home and get some form of experience that they feel is missing

[–]sfalgoBlack Pill Chadlite 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think what happens is some combination of:

  • A lot more incel violence
  • Virtual reality
  • More men being gay or trans (since men in environments with no women eventually have sex with each other)

[–]funlightmandarin 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can already see evidence of this happening in Nordic countries.

Couples are constantly finding new reasons to delay a pregnancy. *Men especially.** There are so many things that have to be done or experienced before starting off. So one day the woman and the man split up, without children.”*

“Numerous studies also indicate that women are more intent on having children sometime in their lives than men are,” says Jensen. As their biological clocks approach the age of infertility, women are eager to have children. *But many men still entertain doubts; they procrastinate, and end up childless.** When women do give birth to children, it turns out that it can often be with men who have kids from previous relationships.*

Hmmmm 🤔🤔 So men hemm and haww until the woman says fuck this and her dating pool now has men who are already fathers.

[–]RedditsOlderBro 4 points5 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

hypergamy is actively disappearing in societies that are making strides towards gender equality. so be sure to promote gender equality in your community.

you rambled about monogamy and marriage but didn't make an actual point so idk.

and speaking of those poor, disheartened boys, along with gender equality we should probably work on building up social programs to encourage them to re-join society. it would probably be good to pump money into mental health services, and destigmatise mental health too. give them a base from which to flower into a beautiful pansy or equivalent.

[–]Antisocial_Nihilist[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What about places like Japan?

Where there is an EXCESS of about 5,000,000 women in thier female/male population ratio and about 42% of Japanese millennial men report having no experience with the opposite sex?

[–]RedditsOlderBro 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i'm sorry, i'm not a sociologist with a focus on japan. if you're genuinely curious though i suggest researching it yourself. type it into google. whatever comes up as a search result will be better than poisoning your brain with the stuff you read here. godspeed.

[–]funlightmandarin 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Where there is an EXCESS of about 5,000,000 women

People age 65 and older in Japan make up a quarter of the total population. Men die earlier, leading to a surplus of elderly, Japanese women.

about 42% of Japanese millennial men report having no experience with the opposite sex?

Millennial men are age 26-41.

They are obviously different age groups.

Also, Japan is a very small part of the world.

[–]Specialist_Heat6001 6 points7 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Nope it isn't getting any better soon. No one cares about men who aren't able to date.

[–]RedditsOlderBro 3 points4 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

it won't make you feel any better, but i'll tell you the absolute truth anyway: nobody gives a single shit whether or not you go on dates. nobody.

[–]Antisocial_Nihilist[S] 6 points7 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, but that just isn't true.

If you tell people that you're 30-something and haven't been on a single date, they will think something is wrong with you and slowly remove you from thier lives.

Its taboo for someone to have never dated, especially with the rise of incel culture you will automatically be assumed to associate with them.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Who’s sharing that info?!

“Hi my name is Jim, I’ve never felt the touch of a woman”

“Sir this is a Wendy’s”

Come on!

[–]RedditsOlderBro 4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

why would you be telling people your age and your dating status? that info is not demanded in human conversations.

[–]crispickle 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

hypergamy is actively disappearing in societies that are making strides towards gender equality

speaking of those poor, disheartened boys, along with gender equality we should probably work on building up social programs to encourage them to re-join society.

LOL peak PPD comedy right here

[–]RedditsOlderBro -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

glad you're having a chuckle! you should google 'hypergamy reversing' and then you'll really be lolling!

[–]Gracie_777 3 points4 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Lol, just fucking lol at this shit. The world is not about to end just because nobody wants to touch your weenie.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, hypergamy is just whatever you guys want it to be, you'll twist anything a woman does into an example of hypergamy to spare your ego, it's pathetic.

[–]Specialist_Heat6001 5 points6 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Lmao how blind can people be to the societal issues

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 1 point2 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Societal issues?

We’re already full! Population slowing is a GOOD thing.

How do we know ‘hypergamy’ isn’t nature rectifying things?

[–]Specialist_Heat6001 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Hypergamy is an unwanted side effect of modernization and feminism. It isn't natural in any way.

[–]Gracie_777 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

But hypergamy can literally mean whatever you want it to mean. You guys can frame anything as hypergamy regardless of a womans actual motivation. She rejects you because she wants to be single and focus on getting her degree - Hypergamy at play She leaves you and starts dating a guy an inch taller -hypergamy, she leaves you and dates a guy 2 inches shorter and not as good looking but he's highly intelligent, that's hypergamy too. What about if you're the smart one with high earning potential and she leaves you for a guy with no smarts but he's jacked, yep you guessed it hypergamy. Now what about the wife who divorces her husband because he's an alcoholic cheater, well you'd never guess but she's also just being hypergamous because the guy only went and lowered his SMV by becoming a drunk and now his hypergamous wife thinks she can do better so she's divorce raping him before moving on to the next guy. Regardless of what she actually does next you'll frame it to be hypergamy even if she never wants to marry again, you'll just see her a post wall hag whose monkey branch broke. Why is this? Because you are literally a sexist asshole, women only exist as far as your concerned in their relationship to men, in their utility to men you don't see them as fully human, complex, nuanced beings as rich in their experience and inner life as any man and you have the audacity to wonder why women need feminisim? If women are rejecting you then your shitty attitude is probably a bit part of it but then you'll probably say "she rejected me cause of my shitty, sexist attitude what a hypergamous bitch!" It's all just sexism and ego saving nonsense.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well of course you feel that way it doesn’t benefit you.

To act as if it’s a universal belief is a bit short sighted. I don’t see a single woman or attractive man who states ‘hypergamy’ is bad.

Without hypergamy with out pickiness we’re just opening our legs for everything walking, y’all want that? It’s not following the narrative about high N counts so surely that’s not the case.

You want us to be picky, you just want to be the one picked. Let’s not pretend you want women to truly lower their standards.

[–]Britannia_Forever 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

America is underpopulated and our economic system is reliant on consistent population growth.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

I have zero issue with America failing as a nation, you’re barking up the wrong tree 😂

[–]yvaN_ehT_nioJSitting in the peanut gallery 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're on a sub where 1/2 of people subscribe to "enjoy the decline" and the other 1/2 say "I won't be around not my problem ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" Of course they're blind.

[–]januaryphilosopherWoman/student/UK/radfem/makes first move/healthy BMI/bi/taken 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

There isn't a big problem of permanently single people though. There are a few people who just won't get the opportunity for a relationship, and more who just don't want to or don't like their options. They have other incentives to participate in society for the most part, just like the rest of us. There are lots of other things for them to do.

People aren't only motivated by sex and relationships. If you are, that's quite worrying.

[–]Antisocial_Nihilist[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I mentioned this already in the thread, but:

In places like Japan there is an EXCESS of about 5,000,000 women in thier female/male population ratio and still, about 42% of Japanese millennial men report having no experience with the opposite sex. How is that a small issue?

Along with this seemingly inexplicable rise in male involuntary celibacy in Japan, have come the hikokomori. Millions of people (90%+ men) who are single and have chosen to completely disconnect themselves from society. Because they feel they cannot fit in, and there is no hope for them. These people refuse to work and are at best an extreme burden on the taxpayers, and at worst dangerous. Again, how can this be a small issue?

https://youtu.be/_aSLhz00U7s

There was a really infamous hikokomori who was executed this morning named "Tomohiro Kato". I don't care to explain what he did, but you can Google his name if you want to know. And there are a lot more cases just like him that have occurred in Japan. The government is well aware of the hikokomori and are desperately looking for ways to curtail the issue. Again, how is this a small problem?

[–]januaryphilosopherWoman/student/UK/radfem/makes first move/healthy BMI/bi/taken 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Poor Japan. That is one country and I'd imagine there are specific circumstances that created it. (Such as the fact that to have a family in Japan, women essentially have to give up any hope of a career forever.)

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How are the being fed? I didn’t know Japan was a welfare state. Hell even America doesn’t care for able bodied men who choose not to work. They just stay in their parents basement.

[–]ManWazoA poly Chad 2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

lots of permanently single men

The bottom 1-2% of men is not a lot. Many will find a partner eventually or work hard enough to get out of the bottom 2%.

[–]Antisocial_Nihilist[S] 10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What about places like Japan?

Where there is an EXCESS of about 5,000,000 women in thier female/male population ratio and still, about 42% of Japanese millennial men report having no experience with the opposite sex?

1-2% is a pipe dream. It's way worse than that, and the rapid rise of groups like incels and hikokomori is proof of that.

[–]ManWazoA poly Chad 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So basically 42% are so low value that the 5000000 prefers to stay single?

The rise of incel groups just shows that men are lazy and entitled and would rather whine on internet than make the effort to climb in value

[–]Antisocial_Nihilist[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

To be fair, the rate of female celibacy in Japan is about 23-25%. A considerable number.

But like you said, this is more by choice than a condition that was forced on them. A lot of women in Japan simply feel a lot of the men in thier country are beneath thier standards and they simply refuse to date them.

I lived in Japan for 3 years and seen "white fever" with my own eyes amongst asian women.

https://youtu.be/ljBMKSBdbEw

[–]AelfredRex -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]HazyMemory71 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Lol, 1-2% my ass. This kind of gaslighting bluepill non-sense is why the manosphere is so popular now. 30% of young men are sexless. And the 70% of men are comprised of men that have had sex at least once in a year, so I doubt even half of them are having sex consistently.

[–]Mrs_DrgreeWomen Are Right About Islam[M] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Do not troll.

[–]HazyMemory71 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

How in the world is this trolling? I cited a statistic and stated a fact.

[–]Mrs_DrgreeWomen Are Right About Islam[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can appeal in modmail

[–]crispickle 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A man who gets laid once a year and a man who doesn't get laid at all are both equally as frustrated.

The latter is a far larger percentage, greater than 25% according to currently available studies and it's trending upwards.

[–]ManWazoA poly Chad 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They aren't permanently single and idk if they want to fuck and are too lazy to climb in valuenthey should get grindr.

[–]oflbtbs -1 points0 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

We should modify our immigration policy to increase the number of single, attractive women in the country. They would be from conservative countries and their presence would help undo the negative consequences of the sexual revolution.

[–]poppy_blumonogamous slut apparently 12 points13 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

But if you guys truly believe women are hypergamous and only want cHaaaaaaaaaD, it won’t matter how many more attractive women you bring in. They’ll just join chads harem too.

Let’s work a little harder on our consistency here.

[–]oflbtbs 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

The female ego has been fomented in western culture. They think they're better than they really are and that's why they keep giving Chad a shot. Women who aren't from western cultures don't suffer from this delusion.

[–]poppy_blu1 points [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

👋 Don’t let the door hit your ass on the way out.

[–]oflbtbs1 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

That's not really the solution. The solution is to work on oneself, become Chad, pump and dump foolish women who think they have a shot at getting a ring from me and laugh at their broken hearts.

[–]Gracie_7771 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

Import as many women as you like, they'd still rather be single than date you.

[–]oflbtbs1 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Nah. I'm pretty good.

[–]Gracie_7771 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Lol, you just said you wanted to import more attractive women as if that's gonna help you.

[–]oflbtbs1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

When you can't win with logic, attack the person's ego. Thats the card youre playing, and its a losing one in a debate. BTW I'm 6'00", handsome, white, self made millionaire. I dont got problems. Come up with an argument.

[–]Mrs_DrgreeWomen Are Right About Islam[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be civil.

[–]Financial_Leave4411 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

More skilled men would be better for the US economy. Employers complain constantly about not having enough skilled labor to fill job positions so obviously more men coming into the country will be better. Plus women want to be with men who have jobs not men in their mothers basement like we currently have so US women will want to settle down with these skilled men and that would make more two parent family’s. If more women came to the US then we would eventually have too many a bay mama’s to support with our tax dollars and that would keep the single parent cycle of raising kids. We need like at least 2-4 men for each woman since we have so many dud men in the USA.

[–]oflbtbs 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Addressing a lack of skilled labor is definitely a use for immigration. I didnt say anything about the labor market.

[–]JumboJetz 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Seriously. We need more women than men in society and a lot of issues would go away. There are too many men is the main issue. Like 1.05 men for every 1 woman in younger demographics. What we need is like 0.96 men for every 1 woman.

[–]oflbtbs -3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, I'll take some hot Ukrainian or Syrian refugees. I think I can afford 3. That's a good number.

[–]peteypete78 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think I can afford 3. That's a good number.

Some would say a magic number.

[–]dubiousmechanism1 points [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

Well what’s gonna happen is a lot of men will decide fuck society. And actively seek to destroy it. Even if that means joining forces with Islamic extremists or far right white nationalist organizations. Even if they don’t believe in those groups rhetoric they do believe it’s better to live under a Caliphate or Dictator that institutes their brand of morality by force than to live in an immoral feminist society.

I don’t think Americans will be as docile as the Japanese. I think we might see more and more attacks like school shootings on beautiful and rich people and those that represent the “enemy”.

We will see society become ever more divided as OnlyFans and Porn can only sustain men so long until that rots their brain and obliterates their self worth making them ripe for the picking from extremists.

This will only serve to solidly their ideas as they become more outcast and branded “incel” by women.

More hookers will be murdered.

Drug use will sky rocket.

Some men will seek to solve the problem with AI and virtual/synthetic companions.

If the unethical thing is only unethical because those refusing to participate in what’s generally good for society refuse to participate in those conservative morals the only response is the most ethical thing to do is to instill these values by law.

Literally whatever happens will not be for the men of today but for the men 3 generations from now. So it’ll be interesting to witness.

Think about how easy it would be to get all the kek-loving meme manifesting men to revolt. The only thing that’s really missing is a leader to organize all the disenfranchised people under an umbrella that stretches beyond “incel” and into the revolutionary field, absent neo-nazi beliefs or jihadist branding.

[–]Mrs_DrgreeWomen Are Right About Islam[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do not promote violence. This breaks Reddit TOS

[–]DorianneGrey1 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

A revolution full of boys who don’t leave the house? Wouldn’t that kind of impede the whole mayhem thing?🤔

[–]dubiousmechanism1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Doesn’t take an MMA fighter to pull a trigger. And plenty of damage can be done digitally. I’m sure a well organized approach would utilize virtual attacks simultaneous to ballistic, and even more intelligent would be idealistic, spreading literally memetic ideologies that collapse society, letting others destroy themselves. Implant ideas, spread viruses in the mind; or play the long game and do a genetic jihad, miming the Islamic and Mormon families, bearing 3 children to every 1 normal citizen that can carry ideologies forward through being indoctrinated in them from birth. I dunno how it will go down these are only a few ideas.

But pretend Covid was made in a lab. All it takes is one team of incel scientists to create a virus that targets specific genotypes or something.

And even if it’s all flabby homebound basement dwellers a good leader would train them to train themselves to improve their physical health before embarking on a physical assault, at least enough to accomplish whatever apocalyptic task is directed

[–]DorianneGrey1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

I think that sounds like an awful lot of work for a bunch of guys who think that putting in the work to improve themselves enough to actually date is too hard. 🤷‍♀️

[–]poppy_blu1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I think I love you

[–]AelfredRex 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Well, in 2000 years we'll be well into the beginning of the next glaciation and we'll be facing a radical change in climate where the winters will be longer and colder and growing seasons shorter and less productive, so famine is probably going to be the biggest threat to humanity, not "hot girls only want rich Chads!"

"Humanity will die out because I can't get a date! What will we do???"

[–]medlabunicorn 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

There is no accepted climate theory in which this is the case.

[–]AelfredRex -1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

The Quaternary Ice Age began 2.6 million years ago and is still going on. Long 70ky-120ky periods of cold with short 15ky-20ky warm periods in between. The current warm period is ending. Look it up. It's reality. It doesn't make for good clickbait or a panic that can be exploited, but it is reality.

[–]medlabunicorn 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Periodic ice ages are a reality. The claim that the current interglacial is ending in 2000 years is not supported by that statement.

[–]AelfredRex -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Interglacials follow the upper arc of axial obliquity. Obliquity peaked 9000 years ago. We'll be halfway between peak and trough in about 2000 years. Gonna get cold.

[–]Antisocial_Nihilist[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or maybe we just wipe ourselves out before then.

Vice President Harris admitted that the US has fought wars over oil (which is a damning admission in itself), and in the "near future" we'll be fighting them over water.

https://youtu.be/HnJ4gjVZqao

[–]v3259 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

you think in 2000 years humanity won't have solved food production and storage? That was solved 2000 years ago ffs.

[–]FireGodGoesSeeknFire -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So given what you laid out the obvious short-term evolution is towards a quasi-polygamous species. Chad's will proliferate, for I think obvious reasons, but so will women who want kids but care less about commitment.

That's because most commitment-seeking women will not be able to marry the man of their choice and hence not reproduce.

The question is what happens to the extra men. Because even if all fathers are Chads in three generations, hypergamy will then demand that only Giga-chads are truly desired.

There are essentially two paths.

1) Violence. The Chads fight it out and those who are left alive have committed long-term relationships with multiple women. This is likely what humanity was like in late prehistoric times as evidence suggest only 1 man reproduced for every reproductive female.

That is Y-chromosome is way more concentrated than mitochondrial, generation after generation.

2) Brotherly love. If most men are going to die in battle versus Giga-chad an alternative strategy is to give up on having their own kids and instead help their sisters raise raise her kids.

This is a tricky equilibrium to reach because it requires personal desires to follow a forking path based on social success. But, to do that the reproductive system has to know it's correct part and there is no current mechanism for that.

Would have to evolve likely by adapting some other mechanism, like "heartbreak and depression make men think their sisters is the only person who has ever or perhaps could ever love them”

But, if that happened it would solve the problem not by killing off would be incels but turning them into lovable uncles. If a genomic combo like this hits it would be species upping event as the major source of human war and strife will disappear.

[–]RedditsOlderBro 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

i read a doomsday fanfic written by my 14 year old niece the other week. had wearwolves in it and shit. anyway it was more grounded in reality than this effort here so if i were to make a humble suggestion if you really want your fanfic to improve, really explore the outside. talk to people. look at the structures. really get a feel for the real world before you destroy it in fiction.

look forward to the next installment.

[–]FireGodGoesSeeknFire 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, as I am sure you're aware fiction has to make sense, evolution of all things doesn't. Indeed, it alters the very notion of sense. It just needs a stable allele equilibrium.

Solve backwards from that .

[–]PMmeareasontoliveNeither casual nor marriage 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Why is being single as a man such a bad thing? Are you sure you haven't been brainwashed, your hormones hijacked by a lifelong advertising campaign? I get that hormones make us horny, but you are also subject to propaganda in that regard. Look at women who are checking out. The message they receive is they don't need a man, and they are acting accordingly. Can men do the same thing? Or are they too hormonally charged to accept such a fate? What if men received a lifelong message that "you don't need a woman", what effect would that have?

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We would have to change our society as a whole.

Some dumb ass decided men should base their manhood on how many women he can bed.

[–]medlabunicorn 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women aren’t checking out because of ‘messaging.’ Everything we hear, starting from Disney, tells us that our ultimate goal should be a wedding to a man. Then we realize that a lot of men just want bang maids, and most of us don’t want to be a bang maid. We’d rather be alone.

[–]PMmeareasontoliveNeither casual nor marriage 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not up on Disney but surely their messaging has to have changed somewhat with the times? I'm sure a lot of the other stuff depends on how conservative your culture is. In some places marriage and kids might still be the ultimate goal. Where I'm from, I think that is fading fast. There's been a lot of reaction against that as being the measure of worth of a woman where I live.

Also, have you tried being a bang maid? (/s)

PS; part of cultural messaging is shaming men for bisexuality. If the messaging ever changes you will find an increase in male bisexuality (probably already happening albeit v-e-r-y slowly). That's the future, where you and I are going to live for the rest of our lives.

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Even if you don't exactly see hypergamy as an issue, I think most of us can agree having lots of permanently single men with no incentive to participate in society is a very bad thing.

Which means that obvious route for us as a species is to incentivize them to participate in society besides the holy saint punani and its blessing touch.

[–]Admirable_Bee_8714Black Pill AF 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Where do we as a species go from here?

Hopefully right down the shitter.

[–]jojomahho 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the internet just makes us more aware of it and comparing ourselves to others make people crazy. Cuz dating wise its always kinda been like that. Woman like romantically successful men becuz they figure they must have something going on. Like if ur a woman, do u wanna go home with the guy that never gets laid or somebody that can fuuuckk? Sex in general is more of a crapshoot for woman.

U are right about a bunch of angry horny men is bad for society. I think a lot of extreme opinions on both sides come from guys not getting laid. Idk what the solution is though. Everybody needs validation.

[–]govedototalno 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Facial restructuring. Why not? That's really the difference. Hair transplants are close to being there. There is this pervasive idea that men struggle to date ONLY because they're terrible people. Obviously, those types of men exist; the type who would disrespect, objectify, and sexually harass (or even assault women). Those men are terrible scum and deserve condemnation, but they're not the only men fitting this bill. There are a LOT of men that simply struggle because they're not handsome enough. It could be that they're short, balding, have a crooked nose or teeth, or a weak jaw. If the technology can be developed to make these men "handsome", then that's probably the long-term solution.

[–]Antisocial_Nihilist[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

An idea I unironically had before, and made a poll about on r/ugly, is to make plastic surgery available through public health insurance if you really need it.

The vast majority agreed that programs like Medicaid should cover it.

Being ugly to the point you're under 5/10 looks wise is definitely a handicap in modern society. Really, being ugly effects your employment opportunities or ability to do just about anything in life. Lookism is real, and its serious. I know 2 people in my own personal life who killed themselves because they were ugly and felt tired of being ostracized.

Apparently if you're feeling suicidal, the state is more than comfortable spending like $12,000 having the police and fire department pick you up and take you to a mental ward for 2 weeks. But if you ask the government to spend that $12,000 towards cosmetic surgery to increase your life quality (and make you not want to end your life to begin with), that's a huge no-no.

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