Where do we as a species go from here?

Valuable-Marzipan761 · 2022-07-27T12:02:36+00:00

We don't go anywhere. some men will stay single and some won't. Society isn't going to all change for the sake of the lowest ranking men.

Ok_Razzmatazz_1751 · 2022-07-27T01:37:30+00:00

Guess it's only a problem if you are single . The rest of us in relationships live life . Getting married , having childern etc.
Maybe us relationship people will have to live in gated communities while the rest of society goes insane ....

LiftSushiDallas · 2022-07-27T03:33:24+00:00

Since I don't want kids and won't have a "legacy," I have the privilege of not needing to give a fuck what happens with gender relations in the future. My focus is me and my happiness until I pass on!

NockerJoe · 2022-07-27T01:36:52+00:00

The answer is, fuck it it isn't your problem to solve. If some woman would rather ve a single mom or be single forever that isn't your issue to work through. If you want kids that bad you can adopt. If you wanna fuck then work to that and deal with what you need to make it happen.

If all of us not participating in this society becomes a problem then the high minded rulers of that society can come down and make us an offee. Until then your only real concern is your own happiness.

Wide_Result9679 · 2022-07-27T04:52:19+00:00

I know 5 women in relationships with men who make less than they do and you're here claiming female hypergamy is destroying the world.

A guy can be a great partner without making tons, being super hot, or whatever the guys on this subreddit think.

HazyMemory7 · 2022-07-27T01:54:01+00:00

There is no overarching solution. Women are inherently hypergamous by nature, and there will always be some men that aren't able to find love and reproduce.

I don't think the hypergamy is problematic in and of itself. Women carry more reproductive risk by virtue of carrying a child for 9 months and giving birth. They should try to get the best man possible. In modern society, however, hypergamy has reached an extent where a lot of women are shooting for men that would never in a million years commit to them, but refuse to improve themselves. Men they can't realistically attract.

This occurs in large part because of their increased options via the emergence of OLD and social media, and because they conflate all of the interest they get from men wanting sex with them as interest in dating seriously. Single mothers don't realize that being a single mother eliminates most of their dating pool, but they're picky as hell anyway.

There are certainly solutions that could alleviate some modern day societal issues. For example: addressing the state of marriage and family court to make marriage less of a risk for men. Any woman that commits infidelity should be automatically barred from receiving alimony. Just to be clear, men shouldn't cheat either; I merely said any woman because women make up 98% of alimony recipients. Paternity fraud should result in jail time. A pre-nup that does not violate any laws should be upheld regardless of whether the judge personally deems it to be unfair or unequitable.

But the "solution" for men is really to just focus on your purpose, understand female nature, adopt an outcome independent abundance mindset and strive to be the best version of yourself.

hhhhhhikkmvjjhj · 2022-07-27T09:23:00+00:00

In Norway there was some study that found that women reuse wealthier men to start families with, so I think you will see more of this. Also populations will shrink. Plus more single moms.

But that’s about it. I don’t think there will be social distruption. Thanks to automation and toys we can entertain adult men. A lot of elderly men and some women will be very miserable in the future especially in counties like China and some European countries as there are not enough people to care for them so they will die alone in their poop, literally.

Politically we will get a larger and larger pile of men and some women also who are not attached to the future of society. Plus with the enormous boomer population. These people won’t care for the environment and future oriented politics that much, more about lowering taxes and living in the now.

sarkington · 2022-07-27T01:54:48+00:00

To 11 billion people by 2100, apparently

https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-growth#summary

NateHate1402 · 2022-07-27T10:22:20+00:00

It will correct itself eventually, it’ll just be a painful correction.

cunningcaring · 2022-07-27T10:31:22+00:00

You are making a lot of assumptions that are not true.

Substantial_Video560 · 2022-07-27T10:35:10+00:00

I'm indifferent so couldn't give a f..k. I gave up dating a long time ago so just focus on myself nowadays. If I want my sexual needs met I'll see an escort. Have considered buying a sex doll in the future. It's just finding the storage space for one.

As for where the human species goes from here I really couldn't care. I'll just watch it crash and burn! 🔥

John_Oakman · 2022-07-27T02:00:04+00:00

Those who reproduce will replace those who don't, it's a self solving issue in the long run.

_why_do_U_ask · 2022-07-27T01:44:25+00:00

If women cannot overcome thier hypergamous nature, and a large portion of men cannot raise themselves up to be deemed as suitable partners. Then where do we as a species go from here?

I do not think that is going to happen, humans of both genders will persist to continue on with children in however possible. If not, we will become instinct. Myself, I think that will happen, the next major meteor strike.

Claymore-Roomba- · 2022-07-27T03:26:00+00:00

That's the miserably fun part of being a being. You never really know where shit's gonna go next.

EnteFetz · 2022-07-27T13:14:16+00:00

In the middle ages in the middle east men were allowed to marry up to 4 wifes, while most poor men remained single and even virgin their whole life. Societies like that have existed, but by the current state of the middle east one can argue that it did not go well. Below average men in these societies really do losing all ambitions once they realise that they won't ever get a wife and resort to smoking Hashish all day and just wasting their time until they die in a stupid way. That is basically where the west is heading right now. Desirable men will have harems, while unsedirable men will smoke pot and waste their lives while the infrastructure and society as a whole disintegrates.

M_LaSalle · 2022-07-27T12:04:40+00:00

If women cannot overcome thier hypergamous nature, and a large portion of men cannot raise themselves up to be deemed as suitable partners. Then where do we as a species go from here?

OP confuses the problems of the West with the problems of the human species. They are not equal and coordinate.

The West has ceased reproducing itself demographically and will disappear. It will be replaced by non Western cultures that breed to replacement. The human species will continue as it always has.

Any culture that does not breed to replacement has no future. The wages of infertility is final death. Human civilization will continue in a more sustainable form.

SmakeTalk · 2022-07-27T02:27:52+00:00

When you refer to hypergamous women are you speaking specifically about a portion of women who happen to be hypergamous or are you implying all women are?

Lift_and_Lurk · 2022-07-27T03:05:14+00:00

What they said would happen ten years ago: beta uprising

https://amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/beta-uprising

What actually happened? Nothing.

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2022-07-27T10:45:09+00:00

The world population will reach a peak and will then start to decline and that's all we sort of know

Notsonewguy7 · 2022-07-27T13:36:17+00:00

The trend continues. A happy ending is not assured and looks different to a lot of people.

No solution exists or is Necessary. The situation is just what it is.

MembershipPlus2082 · 2022-07-27T17:39:33+00:00

I think the biggest worry that can come out of this situation is population collapse, as less people in western countries are having less kids. the US is below replacement levels of existing population.

Where does this take us? Governments are opening their gates for more immigration and increasing taxes to fund single moms.

I don't think single men are going to revolt. I think single men are still participating in society, they just don't date and have kids.

sfalgo · 2022-07-27T07:06:31+00:00

Reversion to the genetic mean of two women for every man successfully reproducing. Or perhaps 4-5 women for every man as it was in "recent history". I don't see any "solution" to this. This is definitely where we're heading imho. It's probably going to be a rough ride. You can already see evidence of this happening in Nordic countries.

Reference: http://awakeningtimes.com/8000-years-ago-17-women-reproduced-for-every-one-man/

https://sciencenorway.no/childlessness-fathers-forskningno/a-quarter-of-norwegian-men-never-father-children/1401047

RedditsOlderBro · 2022-07-27T01:40:09+00:00

hypergamy is actively disappearing in societies that are making strides towards gender equality. so be sure to promote gender equality in your community.

you rambled about monogamy and marriage but didn't make an actual point so idk.

and speaking of those poor, disheartened boys, along with gender equality we should probably work on building up social programs to encourage them to re-join society. it would probably be good to pump money into mental health services, and destigmatise mental health too. give them a base from which to flower into a beautiful pansy or equivalent.

Gracie_777 · 2022-07-27T02:02:11+00:00

Lol, just fucking lol at this shit. The world is not about to end just because nobody wants to touch your weenie.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, hypergamy is just whatever you guys want it to be, you'll twist anything a woman does into an example of hypergamy to spare your ego, it's pathetic.

januaryphilosopher · 2022-07-27T08:02:35+00:00

There isn't a big problem of permanently single people though. There are a few people who just won't get the opportunity for a relationship, and more who just don't want to or don't like their options. They have other incentives to participate in society for the most part, just like the rest of us. There are lots of other things for them to do.

People aren't only motivated by sex and relationships. If you are, that's quite worrying.

ManWazo · 2022-07-27T01:42:56+00:00

lots of permanently single men

The bottom 1-2% of men is not a lot. Many will find a partner eventually or work hard enough to get out of the bottom 2%.

oflbtbs · 2022-07-27T01:59:12+00:00

We should modify our immigration policy to increase the number of single, attractive women in the country. They would be from conservative countries and their presence would help undo the negative consequences of the sexual revolution.

dubiousmechanism · 2022-07-27T02:33:21+00:00

Well what’s gonna happen is a lot of men will decide fuck society. And actively seek to destroy it. Even if that means joining forces with Islamic extremists or far right white nationalist organizations. Even if they don’t believe in those groups rhetoric they do believe it’s better to live under a Caliphate or Dictator that institutes their brand of morality by force than to live in an immoral feminist society.

I don’t think Americans will be as docile as the Japanese. I think we might see more and more attacks like school shootings on beautiful and rich people and those that represent the “enemy”.

We will see society become ever more divided as OnlyFans and Porn can only sustain men so long until that rots their brain and obliterates their self worth making them ripe for the picking from extremists.

This will only serve to solidly their ideas as they become more outcast and branded “incel” by women.

More hookers will be murdered.

Drug use will sky rocket.

Some men will seek to solve the problem with AI and virtual/synthetic companions.

If the unethical thing is only unethical because those refusing to participate in what’s generally good for society refuse to participate in those conservative morals the only response is the most ethical thing to do is to instill these values by law.

Literally whatever happens will not be for the men of today but for the men 3 generations from now. So it’ll be interesting to witness.

Think about how easy it would be to get all the kek-loving meme manifesting men to revolt. The only thing that’s really missing is a leader to organize all the disenfranchised people under an umbrella that stretches beyond “incel” and into the revolutionary field, absent neo-nazi beliefs or jihadist branding.

AelfredRex · 2022-07-27T11:54:14+00:00

Well, in 2000 years we'll be well into the beginning of the next glaciation and we'll be facing a radical change in climate where the winters will be longer and colder and growing seasons shorter and less productive, so famine is probably going to be the biggest threat to humanity, not "hot girls only want rich Chads!"

"Humanity will die out because I can't get a date! What will we do???"

FireGodGoesSeeknFire · 2022-07-27T01:49:50+00:00

So given what you laid out the obvious short-term evolution is towards a quasi-polygamous species. Chad's will proliferate, for I think obvious reasons, but so will women who want kids but care less about commitment.

That's because most commitment-seeking women will not be able to marry the man of their choice and hence not reproduce.

The question is what happens to the extra men. Because even if all fathers are Chads in three generations, hypergamy will then demand that only Giga-chads are truly desired.

There are essentially two paths.

1) Violence. The Chads fight it out and those who are left alive have committed long-term relationships with multiple women. This is likely what humanity was like in late prehistoric times as evidence suggest only 1 man reproduced for every reproductive female.

That is Y-chromosome is way more concentrated than mitochondrial, generation after generation.

2) Brotherly love. If most men are going to die in battle versus Giga-chad an alternative strategy is to give up on having their own kids and instead help their sisters raise raise her kids.

This is a tricky equilibrium to reach because it requires personal desires to follow a forking path based on social success. But, to do that the reproductive system has to know it's correct part and there is no current mechanism for that.

Would have to evolve likely by adapting some other mechanism, like "heartbreak and depression make men think their sisters is the only person who has ever or perhaps could ever love them”

But, if that happened it would solve the problem not by killing off would be incels but turning them into lovable uncles. If a genomic combo like this hits it would be species upping event as the major source of human war and strife will disappear.

PMmeareasontolive · 2022-07-27T11:40:47+00:00

Why is being single as a man such a bad thing? Are you sure you haven't been brainwashed, your hormones hijacked by a lifelong advertising campaign? I get that hormones make us horny, but you are also subject to propaganda in that regard. Look at women who are checking out. The message they receive is they don't need a man, and they are acting accordingly. Can men do the same thing? Or are they too hormonally charged to accept such a fate? What if men received a lifelong message that "you don't need a woman", what effect would that have?

abaxeron · 2022-07-27T13:25:09+00:00

Even if you don't exactly see hypergamy as an issue, I think most of us can agree having lots of permanently single men with no incentive to participate in society is a very bad thing.

Which means that obvious route for us as a species is to incentivize them to participate in society besides the holy saint punani and its blessing touch.

Admirable_Bee_8714 · 2022-07-27T16:41:59+00:00

Where do we as a species go from here?

Hopefully right down the shitter.

jojomahho · 2022-07-27T17:55:26+00:00

I think the internet just makes us more aware of it and comparing ourselves to others make people crazy. Cuz dating wise its always kinda been like that. Woman like romantically successful men becuz they figure they must have something going on. Like if ur a woman, do u wanna go home with the guy that never gets laid or somebody that can fuuuckk? Sex in general is more of a crapshoot for woman.

U are right about a bunch of angry horny men is bad for society. I think a lot of extreme opinions on both sides come from guys not getting laid. Idk what the solution is though. Everybody needs validation.

govedototalno · 2022-07-27T20:24:44+00:00

Facial restructuring. Why not? That's really the difference. Hair transplants are close to being there. There is this pervasive idea that men struggle to date ONLY because they're terrible people. Obviously, those types of men exist; the type who would disrespect, objectify, and sexually harass (or even assault women). Those men are terrible scum and deserve condemnation, but they're not the only men fitting this bill. There are a LOT of men that simply struggle because they're not handsome enough. It could be that they're short, balding, have a crooked nose or teeth, or a weak jaw. If the technology can be developed to make these men "handsome", then that's probably the long-term solution.

AbbreviationsHot1200 · 2022-07-28T21:19:20+00:00

First, we build sexbots

Then, when young men are no longer distracted by chasing pussy, we will conquer the stars.

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