Why are sex workers seen as exploitative?

throaway2s1fsfsf4 · 2023-09-27T21:37:22+00:00

Idk I guess gambling sites are seen as exploitative because they pretend that you can win money when in reality you can't. Likewise I guess OF girls are seen as exploitative because they pretend that they care about you when in reality they don't (sometimes you're not even chatting with them, but with a dude getting paid by the OF girl).

TheOriginalPrick77 · 2023-09-27T21:55:47+00:00

I think the exploitation starts and stops at male loneliness. Past that, these are grown men making they’re own decisions and paying for an OF girl is often times easier for them than having to hassle with finding a girlfriend to temporarily fill that void. Is it sad? Yes. Exploitative? Depends on the situation, but most times I’d say not that much if you have common sense.

Nellylocheadbean · 2023-09-27T22:06:04+00:00

I don’t understand why men just don’t stop using OF/ Porn websites if it’s so exploitative. They can literally crash the industry tomorrow if they really wanted to.

MyLastBestChance · 2023-09-27T23:02:00+00:00

Watch all of the men who argue that there’s nothing wrong with 30+ year olds dating 18 year olds because “they’re both consenting adults and can make their own decisions, no one is being taken advantage of blah blah blah, voting, drinking, driving age blah blah blah” come out of the woodwork to claim that these grown men are being taken advantage of by the very OF women that they proactively seek out, subscribe to and voluntarily pay 🤣.

DreaminInChocolate · 2023-09-27T22:28:06+00:00

How many times have you been heading to church and ended up in a brothel and forced to pay for an escort? It apparently happens daily.

Dstar538888 · 2023-09-27T23:14:13+00:00

Because some men insist on being a victim

the_fozzy_one · 2023-09-27T21:47:19+00:00

It's not always the case but it certainly can be the case that the sellers of sex exploit the buyers financially and the buyers exploit the sellers sexually. Explicitly monetizing sexuality can definitely bring out the worst elements of humanity.

bluestjuice · 2023-09-27T21:58:03+00:00

The juxtaposition of commerce and everyone needing to earn a living with acts that many people consider to be the pinnacle of meaningful, loving expression makes many people deeply uncomfortable.

Dry-Cricket3524 · 2023-09-28T07:17:38+00:00

The oldest profession was midwifery and teaching. Not prostitution.

The issue is with the water hers themselves, and with the producers. The demand is huge and a lot of the actors and actresses are drugged, severely hurt, underpaid, overworked, forced or coerced into it or borderline trafficked.

Most porn stars (male) are so drugged that they get ED before they turn 30.

The average age of starting in the industry is 14, which is obviously underage.

The women on onlyfans can absolutely also be forced. Those who aren't paint a pink tinted version of the industry, which is absolutely not good. They have other ways to make money. A good chunk of women don't.

There's no reason why humanity would need porn. It literally hurts the society as a whole for some fat dudes and of girls to make cash.

SlowEffective8146 · 2023-09-27T22:56:01+00:00

Women get naked for men (who think these women are disgusting) to jerk off to.
OF women (who think these men are disgusting) are willingly taking their money.
A lot of OF/twitch girls lie about relationship status and attempt to lead men on.
OnlyFans is monetizing men's loneliness.

thetruthishere_ · 2023-09-28T00:57:51+00:00

Seems they think men cant think for themselves. 'Lonely men' apparently cant think for themselves, dont know its 'fake', and cant control themselves. They cant possibly know the OF gal doesn't want to date him nor the escort he contacted. Hes being taking advantage and exploited with a $4 video or a $5 a month subscription.

He cant possibly know this and could never have any fun doing it knowing darn well what it is.

They sign up for OF or go see an escort because we some how exploited him to sign up or contact an escort.

Do I know some out there try to exploit, yup. But really most are proving the service said men paid for. So many dont realize its not that deep for most men paying for services even if lonely. They just want to get off and have good time knowing exactly what it is a 'hot' service'.

The US is so uptight about sex.

Financial_Leave4411 · 2023-09-27T21:53:16+00:00

It’s because most men look down upon women. Many men do not see women as equals so if men have to pay a fair rate for women’s efforts and don’t get a discount or free service they think they’ve been ripped off.

Insane-Wallflower · 2023-09-27T21:26:33+00:00

I recommend scrolling through @maddisoncallaway tik tok. She’s a former porn star and really explains how exploitative the industry is towards its female ‘talent.’

https://www.tiktok.com/@maddisoncallaway?_t=8g33QKgi84j&_r=1

Hot-Law2682 · 2023-09-27T23:04:25+00:00

There are definitely cases where sex workers will try to exploit lonely men.

OF models will occasionally post or reply in subs like r/foreveralone and r/lonely with obviously fake stories meant to draw the men to their profile.

There are tons of OF or premium snapchat bot accounts on dating apps who will match with men and then send links to their content.

OF models will also sometimes appear on streamers platforms (chatting with the streamer, etc) looking to attract their lonely, nerdy audience. However, this is a much more complicated issue as the streamer is also exploiting the loneliness of their audience.

Funnily enough, the streamer example also extends to red pill creators. The OF models who go on the Fresh and Fit podcast get a huge boost in subscribers despite the viewerbase supposedly being a bunch of red pill men who hate simping. The red pill creators will literally advertise this to potential guests as a way of getting them on.

Obviously these examples are only a fraction of OF models and sex workers as a whole.

Fluffy_Painter7967 · 2023-09-28T00:41:35+00:00

A lot of men don’t have sex and become addicted to porn. So it’s like being a drug dealer. Yes it’s a personal choice to do drugs but taking advantage of someone making a bad decision they can’t stop themselves from making is exploitative. You’re worried about who and how many are consuming porn. Look into the reasons people consume porn. It’s a stat the says 80% of women have sex with 20% of men. So a lot of men have to go elsewhere to find sexual gratification. And as your stats pointed out more men consume porn. Women have an easier time of getting a mate and having sex than a single male could.

tinasnow-poty · 2023-09-28T08:00:19+00:00

I think OF falls into the same murky waters of personal responsibility vs addiction, like drug addiction and gambling. Yes, unfortunate circumstances brought you there and there is an element of biology (some people are more naturally prone to addiction), but ultimately nobody held a gun to your head and made you pay for porn/take drugs/go to a casino.

I think where you personally fall on the scale of personal responsibility influences your feelings on the matter a lot. As someone who has taken drugs and been able to stop when they wanted (kicked a bad weed habit), I am somewhat unsympathetic. Nobody ever forced me to smoke weed every day. That was a choice I made. My dealer wasn’t exploiting me, I was proactively giving him business.

duenebula499 · 2023-09-28T17:37:47+00:00

Is it wrong to sell people drugs or facilitate gambling then when the adults doing it are fully consensual? Or how a lot of mobile games specifically design social aspects in tandem with monetization plans to purposefully exploit lonely/anxious people? It’s wrong because it’s taking advantage of sick people, who probably wouldn’t want to be doing that if they were in better mental health.

RelationshipSalty369 · 2023-09-27T21:40:38+00:00

It's because the demand - specifically the Men - are seen as victims, who are all alone because of cruel women and their standards.

TheRedPillRipper · 2023-09-27T22:16:56+00:00

I don’t understand villainising women taking part

It’s the act of taking something so intimate, and monetising it. Legally that’s fine. The issue is morally, emotionally, and ultimately personally. Once something so intimate is public, it’s well.. Public.

As to it being exploitative whilst the agency is always with the consumer, the government plays a role too. Take cigarettes for example. Under 18 it’s illegal to purchase in almost all jurisdictions. Alcohol. Porn legislation isn’t enforced, nor policed nearly as stringently. A 12 year old can jump online, and is only ‘two clicks’ away from some pretty graphic material. Whilst legal some responsibility of the widespread proliferation of porn, lies on the producers of it. Which could be viewed as partaking in ‘the exploitative nature’ of porn. As opposed to not producing graphic content.

Ultimately though it’s the family environment, and the support systems that young people have. Role models. Relationships. That are the most influential. In negating that consumer mindset, and engaging and growing one that’s more critical skills. Of the media one consumes.

Godspeed and good luck!

canwegetanfinchat · 2023-09-27T23:25:29+00:00

Are sex workers exploitative? No. Is onlyfans capitalizing on loneliness? Yes, but there’s not much to be done fixing that.

caption291 · 2023-09-28T00:24:02+00:00

No one is born with a nicotine addiction, you have to actually take steps in order to develop that addiction.

There are also tons of warning that society gives you to not trust the shady guy telling you that heroin is perfectly fine.

We also attempt to give you reasonably achievable alternatives to basically anything you can get addicted to.

So how is porn different?

By the time you reach puberty as a male you are pretty much guaranteed to have a desire for sex. It's not something you can just avoid by being reasonable and porn preys on that desire.

When people give warnings about porn(the equivalent of calling the heroin dealer shady) there's a ton of pushback from society. The warnings are basically nonexistant and the "gateway drug" of softcore porn is something you will encounter all the time regardless of if you're looking for it or not. Like half of music videos are softcore porn at this point. It's also obviously not taken very seriously legally so pretty much any child has insanely easy access to porn as soon as they understand how the computer works.

The alternative to porn would be...sex and it's not something that we can just give to people.

so porn addiction is more like failing to find the cure to a disease you were born with than it is picking up nicotine addiction as an adult.

That is just basic porn, things that really cross the line into serious exploitation would be things like onlyfans that aren't just exploiting the male sex drive but instead male loneliness. Exploiting that is genuinely disgusting behavior.

A lot of people "hide" behind plausible deniability in the context of porn and I fucking hate it.

Bigtipper179 · 2023-09-28T10:29:51+00:00

Well porn addiction is different than nicotine addiction. OF girls are simply preying on men with sex addictions or men who are lonely. And let’s face it, male loneliness is an epidemic in our society. Nobody wants to accept it. But these women know and will try to trick them out of money. By acting like they care about them.

It’s like casinos if they flirted with customers, saying oh you’ll win so much money. Only for them to get bankrupt. It’s not the fact that they’re selling to men. It’s that they unethically play with their emotions, make them feel wanted. That’s why it’s kind of shallow.

Carloverguy20 · 2023-09-28T19:21:12+00:00

They aren't. These men are CHOOSING to pay for this, nobody is forcing people to pay for OF, SW, NSFW content. Nothing wrong with buying it or spending money IF ITS LEGAL and you are a consenting adult, certain places its illegal to do so.

You should have the discipline of self control to not go overboard with this.

I look at OF, SW, Camgirls as just entertainment. It's just entertainment, similar to the strip club, it's just for fun and pleasure, if one is expecting a serious relationship with them, then they need help. Parasocial relationships can be dangerous with this.

demedermidimi · 2023-09-27T21:43:46+00:00

because some men can't take accountability

Paranoidexboyfriend · 2023-09-28T00:51:29+00:00

I think women like to pretend that sex workers are exploiting men when really they’re upset that sex workers are scabs lowering the price of sex kept artificially high by the societal pussy cartel.

WanabeInflatable · 2023-09-28T07:56:18+00:00

There is free will on both sides, but there are exceptions.

Seller can be exploited, victim of trafficking etc

Buyer can be additcted and thus lack free will. Same as with gambling industries and betting on sports which have a bad rap for a reason. It is exploitative to fleece a person who has addiction

Different-Virus-7474 · 2023-09-28T09:39:55+00:00

They both exploit each other. Those cam girls do ridiculously degrading sex acts for money. Most have low confidence and self respect because of the acts they've performed. It's almost impossible for them to keep a decent boyfriend.However they take advantage of desperate men, men with mental issues of all kinds. They use men's sexual nature against them. Their goal is to get them hooked and dependent.

Safinated · 2023-09-28T03:50:24+00:00

Because men should get sex for free, whether consensual or not

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Refugeecel · 2023-09-27T23:06:06+00:00

FutureBannedAccount2 · 2023-09-27T23:38:31+00:00

Do you think porn exploits women?

Often times the women going to these studios are vulnerable, have low self confidence, or are just very naïve and are looking to do something 'empowering'. The vast majority of women who try porn won't continue to do it and will probably get paid a couple hundred to a couple thousand dollars, meanwhile the studios will continue to make money from their videos for the foreseeable future. Many of these women will feel shameful, and have the continued fear of the video being seen by their friends and family, and there are countless stories of women getting into drugs to cope, some of them deleting themselves.

While the studios are very aware of this, they are also aware that they will make money. Do you think these women are exploited and id not what would you consider exploitation to mean

Garfish16 · 2023-09-28T01:51:22+00:00

Most people who take issue with the emotional manipulation and financial exploitation by sex workers on the internet do not have that same issue with free pornography. I think it is dishonest of you to try to lump those two things together.

Overall I'm not really sure what to say because you haven't really made an argument here. It is common therefore it is okay is not an argument. It is old therefore it is okay not an argument. Most exploiters do not see significant profits from their exploitation is not an argument. I escaped a cycle of addiction and exploitation is not an argument. Addicts willingly participate in their own exploitation is not even true, that's what differentiates addicts from other consumers.

I'm glad you managed to kick cigarettes.

BlueBaals · 2023-09-28T02:13:54+00:00

That’s so crazy that that many people watch porn weekly.

IAbstainFromSociety · 2023-09-28T02:39:47+00:00

Nearly everyone drinks. Alcohol causes 5% of all deaths. Just because everyone drinks doesn't mean alcohol not existing wouldn't benefit society.

Title	Why are sex workers seen as exploitative?
Author	Ill_Inspection5225
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Date	September 27, 2023 9:20 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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