Stealing girls from other guys

Solo_Dev · 2019-04-01T16:32:55+00:00

My girlfriend tells me she gets approached every now and then. All depends where she is and what she’s doing to be honest. A lot of the time, they’re all good and back away after she says she’s taken. Some, according to her, turn into the devil and start trying to persuade her like a car salesman or some shit. Just cunts, the lot of them. Basic respect for her and myself alike gone out the window.

A_Suffering_Panda · 2019-04-01T19:38:43+00:00

The way I see it, if someone games my girl and she cheats on me, I should be thanking him for exposing her as a cheater. Better to know earlier if she is

Veganpuncher · 2019-04-01T16:41:25+00:00

Here's a real-life scenario. I was very shy when I was young. I finally made the effort to speak to an attractive (7-8) girl at the bar. We were getting along and my Mojo was rising. Then this douchebag came along and, literally, stood between me and she. He then walked off with her. Was I a wuss or was he a dirtbag?

WhipWomp · 2019-04-01T15:31:20+00:00

I agree whole heartedly with you, OP. The weak will make excuses to justify their lifestyle but if you target women in relationships you're a pathetic asshole and there's no way around it. It's usually because there's less competition, you can be passive for longer (ie a single girl will move on if you're not making moves but the relationship girl is "just hanging out"), and she's comparing you to her partner whom she's been with many times instead of all the single guys she could be getting with if she was actually looking.

If you do it a lot you probably have trust or esteem issues and should consider working your problems out in therapy, not vaginas.

If you know a girl in a shitty relationship you want to sleep with convince her to break it off. If she will, no harm no foul. If she won't then she'll regret sleeping with you in the relationship and no one should regret sleeping with you.

thatkidnamedrocky · 2019-04-01T17:00:20+00:00

Woman are not pieces of property. If she wants to leave her bf and roll with me thats her choice.

thetahill · 2019-04-01T16:57:15+00:00

I do appreciate your post, and I am not going to actively "steal" a woman or try to get a hook-up if I know she is taken (it's a lot of drama, for one, and some of these guys can get jealous and violent).

However, I don't quite think there are a lot of high quality single women out there. Most women that I find attractive physically and with a good personality are taken. I think that is the experience of most guys. Go into, for example, your average workplace and pick out the women who aren't obese and have a nice personality. The odds are very good most of those women are taken, or if they are single, they will only be single during a very brief window.

I think we tend to think of women breaking up, being single for a while, getting online, etc, but my experience has been that the way many of these women meet their next boyfriends is to have a guy emotionally "lined up" as their current relationships are failing. So, they are sizing up a guy they already know as romantic material before leaving their current guy. And, they are often testing things out with this new guy.

A good example is a girl my friend recently met at a business event. She has a boyfriend but is in counseling with him. She messages my friend all the time, never mentions her BF, tells him how funny he is, etc. He is keeping it at a friend level, but I can see what's happening. She is giving him more attention than her boyfriend is getting, and I don't think her boyfriend knows she is doing all of this. In a few weeks, she'll probably break it off with her BF and suddenly "realize" she has something for my friend. And, she'll never be officially single.

And that's how I tend to do things. I am actively dating single women, so if I meet a taken woman, I just be her friend, and be my normal self. And, in some cases, I end up being funnier, more fit, more intelligent, etc, than their current BF, and they soon realize their current guy isn't doing it for them, and over time, they want to date me. The women who have had the biggest crushes on me and I had the most intense relationships with developed this way. But, I definitely insist it's officially over with their BF if it comes to this. And, if this doesn't happen, I have a friend or acquaintance from it. This isn't really even a strategy. It's just me being me.

panthus1 · 2019-04-01T21:49:22+00:00

After having a girlfriend my mind changed about this, before I didint respect the idea about not minding a girl having boyfriend. I would still check her out and try to flirt with her even if she was with her boyfriend, there are some girls who will flirt back and have potential/will cheat on their boyfriends.

That shit is really disgusting, it doesnt matter if she is happy in relationship or not. We guys should respect the guy she is with and not provoke the girl to make an attempt to cheat. Even if she would be happier with you than her boyfriend, we should not play along with her.

If she is not happy or have problems in her relationship, she should break up or fix her problems. We shouldnt be that selfish for just hooking up and making her boyfriend go through alot of bad stuff if he finds out that the girl he is with is cheating.

If she has boyfriend just dont do anything, ignore and move on to other girls that are not in relationship.

Tldr; respect the guy not the girl, ignore her for her boyfriend.

Mickmack12345 · 2019-04-01T17:37:41+00:00

I’ve had this conversation a few times with my friend. Personally I wouldn’t get involved with a girl anywhere past friendship if she’s already taken. Even if there’s relationship problems, you’d still be actively partaking in a very, Im my opinion, irresponsible act. The guy is obviously not going to be happy with it, and it will just fuel the fires or end their already problematic relationship. This can lead to further issues for both parties depending on their mental constitution. The guy could easily enough lose his confidence and trust in women. The girl could be racked with guilt over what she did

You don’t really know them, or how salvageable there relationship may be. It’s not uncommon for relationships to go through rough patches, so I’d back off, be her friend at most, obviously keeping enough distance to avoid attracting her if that’s a possibility or making it evident that’s not what you want. Or you could just walk away an not have anything to do with them, it’s not your problem, and you don’t want to make it your problem by getting involved in any capacity. You might argue the same thing for getting involved, (ie. it’s not your problem so why not seduce her) but again the outcome could be negative for you, the guy might be crazy, maybe he’s in a gang or got anger issues. It’s unlikely yeah but I don’t want so dude harassing me because of something I could easily have avoided

That’s just what I think though, there’s many perspectives but I’m just generally against cheating as a whole

AragorntheMighty · 2019-04-02T00:25:31+00:00

You are pathetic. There are hundreds of thousands of single women out there, many of which can be gamed just as easily if not more so, and you're choosing those who are already in a committed relationship.

No there might be "single" girls out there, but lets be real here, any girl worth fucking, who says they're "single" still has at the bare minimum >1 oblivious guys on the line. Guys who she still interacts with just enough to keep them emotionally reserved for her. And yea it can go either way for the sexes albeit not as prominent amongst males (players gonna play) (duh).

So if the girl's taken or "single," emotionally speaking you're still going to messing with a girl who has some form of romantic or sexual connection with a guy(s). Bc the only true single women (no line up, no connections whatsoever) out there, are single because no one else wants them.

naked_beggar · 2019-04-01T17:07:07+00:00

There is a saying: "men cheat to stay in a relationship, women cheat to get out of one".

I agree that she would be using you as an excuse to get out of her relationship and, if you do end up with her, it won't work out for you either and you'd stop seeing each other eventually.

That being said, most of the responsibility still lies with her. It is her who is in a commited relationship, not you, so it's her the pathetic one, not you. You'd be an enabler, nothing else. She has the independence and autonomy to make her own choices, even shitty ones.

Let's not think of women as beings incapable of free will who's life is a sum of events they react to. They do make decisions and many times they make the wrong ones. And when they do, the best thing to do is to abide and hope that they will realise their mistake eventually.

WhereTruthLies · 2019-04-01T16:43:31+00:00

As much as I would like to upvote and move on the truth is:

1) guys who will cheat will cheat. Saying "cheating bad!" Is doing nothing to stop anyone.

2) girls who will cheat will cheat. Women are capable of making their own decisions. If she decides to cheat on her bf then she will. Same goes for my own girl, so treat yours right and she likely won't. Also, there's not really much drama attached to being the side dude for a chick either. Basically just show up, dick her down, cuddle, leave. It's actually like pretty much 0 drama because that's what the bf is for.

I'm not saying cheating is right. It's not. You can either benefit from her cheating or you can pass it up. If I hit on a girl, she says she has a boyfriend I always back off. If I hit on a girl, we fuck, she tells me she has a boyfriend then I don't care, she's made her choice here.

hvak1234 · 2019-04-01T16:45:19+00:00

OP you’re right. I am guilty of a few things you’ve mentioned. Hooked up with a girl that was dating last for a month. Caught feelings for her and she told me she liked me too, but she just wanted to continue hooking up. At some point I realised what a douche bag I was being. Told her boyfriend about it (even though he’s a total piece of shit but that’s not my problem and I should’ve realised that sooner).

What I learned- no matter how much of a tool the other guy is, it’s not your place to fix it. I should’ve never gotten involved with her in the first place, and should’ve told her boyfriend as soon as it happened the first time.

Still regret this and feel guilty about it. Hope there is a way to make it right eventually. On the up side, at least her bf (now ex bf) dodged a bullet. But yeah will definitely not make this mistake again, and my apologies to anyone who has been cheated on.

It’s worth remembering that if she can cheat for you then she will cheat on you.

UnleashDaJuice · 2019-04-01T20:44:32+00:00

Agree with this post wholeheartedly.

To me taking pride in taking another mans girl is the definition of scarcity. As men we should have certain principles that we don't put to the side just for some pussy.

It's not about the lack of quality of a girl who cheats, It's not even about her Boyfriend and you owing him anything. It's about you, and your own standards for yourself as a human being and what you're willing to put aside your morality and principles for.

Plenty of beautiful single women out there, why would I do that for THIS ONE GIRL. What's so special about her that I'm willing to put aside my ethics for her? Regardless of what the next man would do to you in that same situation.

good shit on this post bro, more people need to see this. 👊💯

ThatFuckingTwat · 2019-04-01T21:10:38+00:00

OP is tired of getting cucked. Lol

AligatorTears · 2019-04-02T00:31:08+00:00

Hmmm... nah.

If you want to live by that code then more power to you. Personally though, it stinks of patriarchal relationship slavery and denial of female autonomy and I am morally opposed to the whole premise. I'll give you my explanation, feel free to engage, accept or ignore as you chose.

Women are not property. I acknowledge that some men think that if a woman is with them then should not be with anybody else. You can make an agreement with a partner that you will have sexual exclusivity and if your partner breaks that agreement then you can use your own autonomy to decide if you want to remain in that relationship or move on. But really, you don't ever have a genuine moral claim to dictate what somebody does with their body.

The dynamics of somebody else's relationship are none of your concern. Maybe they have an open relationship. Maybe he knows she cheats and while he isn't okay with it he accepts it because she comes back when she's had her fun. Maybe he prefers not to know why his sex life improves dramatically when she gets back from her "night out with the girls". Maybe it is an unhappy marriage which they are holding together for the kids but both of them are secretly finding their happiness in the arms of strangers. You don't know the specifics of every situation and it is pointless to make sweeping generalisations for every case.

I've been with plenty of women who were on the verge of leaving their partner because they needed some variety and then because I was able to provide them with what they needed without requiring any commitment they were able to go back to their partner without having to juggle multiple complicated relationships. Sure, guys get angry when they find out... but only if they find out.

I've had husbands corner me at parties and make threats and I've once been hospitalised after a violent assault that was tangentially related to my sex life, and that is a risk that you take when you live that life. I've also been in relationships where I had my heart broken when a woman left me for the guy she slept with only to have him leave her for her best friend hours later. So I know it stings but it is just an issue of autonomy.

There are risks being involved with women in relationships. There are risks being with single women with unhealthily possessive brothers and fathers. There are risks being with women who have a friend zoned psycho in the wings. You take a risk every time you go outside. It is up to you what risks you take. Just go in with your eyes open.

Be safe, don't spread diseases or get people pregnant. Otherwise, do what you want with people who want to do it with you.

Trowawaycausebanned4 · 2019-04-01T17:01:02+00:00

This is such a “I’m holier than though with my nose turned high, and righteousness through the roof” type of post. The fact of the matter is if you want to keep your relationship don’t cheat, and if you do cheat, you didn’t want to keep it.

If you know they’re taken and pursue, I agree that’s shitty. If they are taken and pursue you, even if you know, but this is all on her accord, and you don’t know the guy, that’s fair game.

I don’t owe some guy I don’t know some sort of reverence. If it was somebody I knew, I probably wouldn’t do it. His girl is trying to cheat, and that’s entirely on her. It’s shitty to try to seduce somebody in a relationship because they don’t want it. If they want they’re relationship to be broken, that’s on them, and they probably just want to point the blame at a guy like you’re doing.

kiwifucker · 2019-04-01T17:38:16+00:00

What about flirting in general? I'm kinda always flirting in an innocent way, would that be bad also?

HandsomeShyGuy · 2019-04-02T03:00:18+00:00

This is so true I agree with everything u say

GuerrillerodeFark · 2019-04-02T05:24:13+00:00

Thank you for acknowledging this.

icetin · 2019-04-02T06:06:33+00:00

perry Farrell from Jane's Addiction once said:

"you guys like stealing? how about stealing another man's girl, do you like that? you like that, huh? that's fair to you, huh? how, how 'bout a good friend, would you steal a good friend's girl? you would, huh, wouldn't you?

don't fuck me, don't blame me 'cuz you got no honour in your life. don't blame me 'cuz you've got no chivalry in your soul...

how insecure are you pal? do you need, do you need to steal your friend's woman or can't you go and get one for yourself? i just wanted, just wanted to ask you that..."

I've been caught stealing, once, when I was five. I enjoy stealing, it's just simple as that. well, it's just a simple fact, when I want something and I don't wanna pay for it... 🎶

LeoRedsun · 2019-04-02T06:55:47+00:00

It's always good to think about the impact your actions have on the lives of others. I think it's alright to flirt some, to show enough interest that she is aware of it, and then keep yourself in a position where you are available to be the "rebound guy" if things happen to go south for her relationship. Girls like to have backup guys to fuck and get validated from if the relationship ends. However I agree that it's best not to interfere in the relationship, especially if all you want is sex or something casual. I realize that I'm really fun and good for a girl in the short term but tend not to be as valuable in the long-term as many of these other guys are, because they are often so dedicated to their woman. Which I respect.
It also comes back to the golden rule of treating others the way you would want to be treated. Trying to leave a positive impact on the world and not leave others worse off for meeting you.

FineCopy2 · 2019-04-02T09:02:37+00:00

Completely agree with you OP. Ive been seeing too many posts lately about how to game with women who has a GF. And they have all kinds of "valid" arguments in their favor. Ive specially seen lot of such posts on asktrp about how to proceed and people actually giving advice to pursue her irrespective of her status wether she's single, committed or married. For some reason people feel entitled for these girls because they believe they can get her. I personally believe in morality a lot and i dont want to ruin people's life just because i wanted to put my dick in that one hot girl. I'm Glad that there are still some people who understand OP's perspective and I really respect those people.

f9RfsR · 2019-04-02T12:04:38+00:00

i want to live in a world based on trust and love. so i am not taking part in anything which destroys trust.

there are enough girls that are single and no one is harmed through sleeping with each other

Dilpil01 · 2019-04-01T16:56:50+00:00

This is certainly a devisive post but I think it's a bit more nuanced and probably doesn't really belong in seduction, it is more of an ethics conversation.

With that being said I agree, but only in part. It is definitely scummy to specifically target girls in relationships, especially if you know the bf personally. It can be quite disrespectful in certain circumstances.

However it takes two to tango and someone else's relationship isn't really any of your concern. If she cheats with you, that's definitely on her. Saying it isn't is actually belittling and offensive to women, because it's saying they aren't capable of being responsible for their actions. If a girl is in a satisfactory relationship, she won't feel the incentive to cheat or even if she does her character is so average that the guy would be better off leaving her anyway.

If I'm in a situation where I'm mates with a couple and the girl hits on me when her partner isn't around, I could understand maybe avoiding sleeping with her for the sake of your mate. If I'm in a club and approached by a random girl, I couldn't care less if she's in a relationship.

Islam-Delenda-Est · 2019-04-01T17:06:13+00:00

I mostly agree, except with this:

If the girl sleeps with [you] and you later find out she has a BF. Tell the BF. Message, or meet him in person. If someone wants to sleep with other people, then they shouldn't be in a relationship unless the partner knows about it and is okay with it happening.

Don't do this, just abandon ship and never talk to either of them again. Telling the BF is a good way to put yourself in the middle of a domestic violence situation.

SadSniper · 2019-04-01T18:48:10+00:00

What's up /r/niceguys

Sk8tr_Boi · 2019-04-02T04:37:23+00:00

I maybe late but I am guilty of stealing someone else's fiance (now wife) but allow me to shorten the story with some points:

She is my best friend and everytime they fought, she runs to me. One time we kissed. We were clearly attracted to each other.
Her bf was the asshole and was spotted with other girls and had rumours of cheating. He continues to deny it.
He treated her bad.. even forced her to drink one time even when she wasn't feeling it. He treats her like a piece of property.
They were engaged but she felt trapped and not really into it. He put an engagement ring on her but the way I read it, it was like claiming owner ship over her. She tried to break the engagement of but he's a manipulative prick.

I had enough of this dude's bullshit and so while the guy went overseas, I stole her, made it public. The guy eventually lost trust and gave up. People were upset for awhile but I knew the truth. Eventually, they all saw how happy she was with me. We're celebrating our 9th wedding anniversary this month.

Do I encourage stealing someone else's girl? Nope, but I let the girl decide. But if you treat her like shit, she's going to look for someone better that comes along.

ImanShumpertplus · 2019-04-01T16:38:09+00:00

I agree completely. There’s plenty of women out there for all of us (there’s guys too if that’s your thing). If somebody is taken, just go to another woman and try to have your own fun. Stealing from each other only hurts us in the long run and makes women less trusting of men

elgodo7 · 2019-04-01T18:36:52+00:00

You make it seem like women have no choice or responsibility JUST EMOTIONAL creatures who react to everything a single man does.

1 If her boyfriends not making her happy and she wants to cheat then thats her choice and his fault for not doing his duty to keep her committed.

2 if she cheats on her boyfriend with a guy then shes clearly thinks your better then her boyfriend in some way so that is her choice.

3 Beating up a old lady and sleeping with a girl are 2 different things. 1 is causing harm the other pleasure. You shouldn't care about what other think if some guy wants to beat you up thats a risk your willing to take then that is fine. Brad pitt slept with mike tyson wife lol

4 girls have a choice just like men.

Personally, I feel no guilt if the woman clearly wants it and has no problems with it. I don't know the guy, nor why one man is not enough for her; I don't know the nature of their relationship, any "arrangements" they might have, or anything else, nor do I care to know. If I spent too much time trying to guess what a hundred different people might think about a girl and I sleeping together and if any of them would be hurt or offended or whatnot, I'd go crazy before I ever slept with anyone.

However, if I know the girl is going to feel bad about sex with me, that's one I cannot stand. I've had a few women I have inadvertently hurt - not girls with boyfriends, but girls who simply had the wrong expectations about sex with me, and/or I had not done a good enough job of setting the right ones for this

if she is young and inexperienced and clearly loves her boyfriend and is giving you a mountain of resistance to sleeping with you. let her go.

if she is more experienced with men... or not so in-love with her man anymore... or dripping with carnal sensuality or lust... or easy to get in bed... she's not going to regret it.

If you're aiming to be morally responsible, however, the question you ought to be asking yourself is, How is she going to feel about having slept with me later on down the line?

Almost every girl who's ever found out about an affair says the same thing to her partner "it was a mistake i never should have done it"

Yet many times this is said without it being meant (or, occasionally, the woman will just spitefully say, "Yes, I did it and I'm GLAD I did it!").

user_4569001432 · 2019-04-01T20:45:28+00:00

Let's think about this from the alpha male's perspective.

The alpha male would evaluate the situation and determine whether the girl is worth the trouble. If sleeping with her means a huge set of headaches, then the alpha would think "I'm high value enough that I can just find another girl that's single in no time that's I'm equally, if not more, attracted to", and simply move on. Remember: the abundance mindset.

However, ultimately, it's the girl's decision. If she's willing to cheat on her bf to be with you, that's on her. Whether it's worth the uphill battle, and worth the headache and sticky situation that follows, that's your decision. And more often than not, it's not.

recyclablebanthas · 2019-04-02T13:49:30+00:00

1

There are a group of guys who think it is okay to game on taken women.

You're talking about an issue that has basically been judged since the Bible. If judging people for this was an effective thing, it would have worked by now.

More to the point, such judgement is not allowed at Seddit.

The most you can do is bring up the negative effects and let people make an educated decision.

2

Become friends with her. Decline her advances if she is coming onto you. Or tell her that she should break up with her current BF if she wants to sleep around.

Sure. It is simpler this way, to be sure. Less complicated. Less likely that you're dealing with the web of manipulation that cheaters often spin.

But the lesser known reality here is that many cheaters aren't attracted to the same dudes they were after they get out of the bad relationship. Sometimes those dudes they wanted to cheat with, just had something they were lacking in the relationship, but after they get out, what they want as a whole, changes immediately.

It might be possible to have a post break-up fling with such a girl, but it's less likely anything serious would come out of it.

3

They justify knowingly cheating on a taken person by......

If the girl is showing interest and willingly continues, then it is also true that she's just as much to blame as you are.

You're stopping at a superficial level here by talking about the justification. The justification for an action, comes after the action, and AFTER the drive to do the action.

Talking about blame is also a similar waste of time.

You seem a thoughtful guy, so with that in mind, let's take this conversation further than just talking about the justification and debunking or arguing to that.

The sad thing is, cheating is often a symptom of other issues.

Guys often get an ego boost from being the other guy, and if a dude is in a bad place, such a boost can be addictive and difficult to impossible to resist.
Girls sometimes cheat for similar reasons, and like men, can find themselves weakened to where they need the boost to feel human.
Sometimes sexual abuse in particular, plays a role in making someone more likely to cheat.
- The abused often end up in marriages and relationships they don't really want to be in. Sad as it is, their history can hamper their ability to consent. (Which is what happens, for example, when a child is forced into sexual activity at a young age before they know that the hell is going on.)
- So someone can find themselves trapped in a relationship they don't want to be in, feeling as if they have no recourse to end said relationship.

4

However, I'd like to comment something to people who not only take girls like that, but also continue trying to sleep with a girl who is in a relationship. You are pathetic.

If you really want to reach anyone or make a point with them, that's not going to happen if you insult them.

5

There are hundreds of thousands of single women out there, many of which can be gamed just as easily if not more so, and you're choosing those who are already in a committed relationship. That level of selfishness is pathetic. I've heard all the excuses.

You find it to be a repulsive and undesirable thing to do, right? Take a moment and realize that the people you're addressing, are clearly in a VERY different place than you. On some level, you know this, I think.

We know that cheating has a really negative connotation and yet somehow, some people still end up in a place where their need to "hit that," is stronger than not wanting to feel like a douchebag.

Well, I've seen dudes who believed as hard as you that cheating is a bad thing, who were hit hard by life and found themselves drudging themselves through the mud and being the guy they despised. It's not uncommon for cheaters and cheatees to have some degree of self-hatred.

So when you argue against the "excuses," it's not unlike arguing against an alcoholic for drinking.

6

Being better than anyone is subjective. Given that reasoning, there is also someone better than you. But to potentially ruin a good relationship because you think you're better than someone else is pathetic.

If the girl is wanting to cheat, it's most likely not a good relationship, period.

You should care about what other people think because the world isn't all about you.....

If you tell someone who's starving that they should think of someone else instead of stealing someone else's bread, they'll tell you to eff off and steal the bread anyway. You address this by helping people "get their own bread," if you're really wanting to offer an alternative.

Most girls work on split second emotion.

This almost makes it sound like women have some sort of special emotional quality. The fact is, humans are emotional. Look at men, we have emotionally based marketing that targets us to buy things, just as women do. Men are the ones whose emotions blow up and lead to us being mass shooters far more often than women.

So it's not like you can just game any woman. You can only do this if they're working with you. The truth is, that no one cheats or gets with a cheater unless something inside of them is strong enough to override cultural norms or any worry of being judged. Think about it; they're getting something out of it that makes the risk worth it.

7

I'm aware that situations can become incredibly complex. I'm also not trying to be the moral police.

You spent quite a bit of time calling them pathetic and judging them. That could easily be mistaken as being the moral police.

8

......walk away......don't get involved with the drama that follows.

If the girl sleeps with out and you later find out she has a BF. Tell the BF. Message, or meet him in person. If someone wants to sleep with other people, then they shouldn't be in a relationship unless the partner knows about it and is okay with it happening.

You're contradicting yourself here. You say don't get involved with the drama, in the first case, but in the second case, you advocate wading right into the drama and creating it.

Make no mistake, there will often be a mess when someone is cheating. But sometimes, when you try to tell the person being cheated on, they won't want to believe you, and they'll want to believe in the relationship so much that they won't believe you and you'll get a ton of flak for your trouble.

No. If one wants to be practical if they've found out their sex partner is cheating on someone else, then you cut contact and peace out. Meddling only adds to the drama. If she's cheating, there are so many ways the guy will be finding out.

Kayyam · 2019-04-01T16:45:05+00:00

Is there anyway to disagree with you without being downvoted to oblivion like the other guys ?

There is a huge nuance between flirting with taken girls without pulling the trigger and actively trying to seduce a girl to stray out of her exclusive relationship.

Your post feels like it's trying to put category 1 and 2 in the same bag since your second sentence says this :

There are a group of guys who think it is okay to game on taken women

And finally, this attempt at a blanket statement is patently false and shows a deep misunderstanding of the game.

It's easy. If you want her, either wait till she's single or move on.

Your post is way too extreme and smells a lot like insecurity.

maljo24 · 2019-04-01T16:53:58+00:00

Your job is to find the right woman for you. Relationships come and go. There is no ‘taken’ woman. Lots of nonsense masquerading as morality here.

bugxter · 2019-04-01T17:40:13+00:00

Err honestly, this always has been a bit of a weird subject to me.

What I've come to realize is that... nobody's really your (or anybody's) property. If a dude is gaming a chick and then you approach her, and she ends up leaving with you, that was her decision no?

Yes, you could have hit on other girls, but if she's the one you wanted and she, as a grown up adult, took the decision to leave with you instead of the other dude, I really don't think that goes against morality.

It's up to you then if you want to uphold "brocode" and stuff, but I don't think that necessarily makes you the spawn of satan.

mattliamjack · 2019-04-01T21:47:58+00:00

It’s the most beta bitch shit ever. Any guy with a decent looking woman will have his woman hit on most of the time. Don’t be so desperate and find the plenty that are single and ready. Abundance over scarcity and if you are trying to get a woman to cheat on her man for you the type of woman you are going after is shit and will cheat right behind your back. It’s not being a pimp it’s being a boy

Shermarki · 2019-04-01T23:19:52+00:00

Why did you even post this here ? How is this relevant to this sub ? If a girl likes me enough to cheat so what ? Doesn't mean I have to be in a relationship with her, also I'm not advocating to purposely look for taken women but if you're only going after single women you are shortening your net of options. Just my 2 cents.

Krustykreb · 2019-04-01T18:02:34+00:00

That's some solid advice mate. My ex cheated on me after 4 years, dated new dude for a month and then came back crying after she got dumped and said she didn't mean to hurt me and she wasn't thinking straight. Hate to put it but new dude wasn't in any way attractive/dominant or manly, but he abused the fact that I couldn't be around her due to my education for just a few weeks lol. Irrespective of your advice this doesn't justify the girls behavior either as she should have the balls to breakup and leave instead of cheating because she fell for that one moment.

cardkid1234 · 2019-04-01T16:26:12+00:00

I can come at this from the boyfriend point of view. And I’ve been open about this with my girlfriend in the past (now ex for unrelated reasons, I ended up ending things with her). I have no problem if guys hit on my girlfriend. That’s what pushes me to be the best guy I can be. If I am always the better guy (most confident, alpha, better boyfriend, etc) then she won’t be interested in other guys. If your girls unhappy, she should say something but sometimes she doesn’t. I would rather my girlfriend be unhappy and run of with another guy than stay with me, say nothing, and waste my time. Breakups suck absolutely, but it’s gonna happen sooner or later anyways if she’s unhappy or still wants to be with other guys.

99ThotsBtMyBtchAint1 · 2019-04-01T18:20:52+00:00

No, just no. If she's married I'll back off out of respect for her vows, but if she's only in a relationship then she's fair game.

She doesn't owe her boyfriend shit. If she cheats on you then it's because she likes me better. She is an adult who can make her own decisions. I'm not going to give that up just because you met her first lol.

Fuck adhering to that first in first served bullshit. If you don't want to get cheated on then either step up your game or don't get into relationships.

You don't deserve to have a relationship because the world doesn't owe you anything. If you want a relationship then it's up to you to take it and maintain it.

Ingrid_Cold · 2019-04-01T18:24:50+00:00

Some will say that if she doesn't cheat on him with you, she will cheat with someone else. Just what everyone said on this sub a few years ago.

run_fast-eat_ass · 2019-04-01T18:33:45+00:00

I agree that if a girl is in a relationship, it's a dick move to hook up.

If a guy is chatting up a hottie and you really like her, is it a dick move to swoon in if you have no loyalty to the guy?

belated_lover · 2019-04-01T19:25:07+00:00

I agree with what you are saying, but you cannot change people. There will always be guys trying to get your girl and they will succeed as long as you let them. What's more practical is learning to deal with such guys.

knownbeat · 2019-04-01T20:12:42+00:00

What do you say to something where the guy and girl are just really good friends then it happens? Never was intentional by the man but the woman became more open until hooking up happened. The boyfriend is hundred of miles away and has never met the other guy.

I’m in a situation like this. Never meant for it to actually happen and I don’t like it since she never broke up with her bf.

I’m not trying to date but if they’re broken up then I can feel so much better. She is a good friend though.

NinjaPancake517 · 2019-04-01T21:27:56+00:00

Every situation is different. Don’t apply general rules. If she wants you bad enough she will do the right thing for you.

BigBeardDaddyK · 2019-04-01T21:47:26+00:00

I agree with most of what you said but if a girl I find attractive comes to me and is hinting at getting some dick I don't see it as a huge no-no to give her what she wants. It's kinda exciting fucking a married woman to be completely honest. I wouldn't initiate that as it is low and weak but if she's the one doing all the work that makes things different.

venikk · 2019-04-01T23:18:17+00:00

Your argument is destroyed by the fact that girls will almost never be single without the white knight showing up to save them from their previous guy. The other detail is that you don't own your girlfriend or even your wife anymore - they can do what the hell they want and it sucks but that's life. Learn how to defend your relationship if you really like it, or accept that it cannot last forever.

tittysprinkle9000 · 2019-04-01T23:19:28+00:00

“Most girls work on split second emotion. if you can make them feel better in the moment, they will most likely hook up with you.”

I’d say some, not most.

cu_dad · 2019-04-02T00:39:17+00:00

Hey man I know you say there’s a bunch of females out there but none of them want me and for some reason your girl does 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️

Bobandjim12602 · 2019-04-02T00:41:35+00:00

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Jjjameson14 · 2019-04-02T01:43:11+00:00

If she’ll cheat with you then she’ll cheat with somebody else. Would you rather be cheated on sooner or later?

Oscalev · 2019-04-02T02:14:48+00:00

Be a better man so that she doesn’t feel the need to cheat. Otherwise, if given the opportunity she will cheat. Remember AWALT

JediJacob04 · 2019-04-02T03:43:09+00:00

If everyone loved each other, the world would be a better place.

I think that’s how it goes

Spilledmychips · 2019-04-02T06:53:30+00:00

Actually, I’m Not mad at this at all, the sooner I learn the person I am dating is easily taken, the sooner I am free to move on.

Guys have hit on my girl in front of me, and I let them unless we are in a serious conversation. There’s no avoiding this with attractive women, strong men go for what they want.

But a weak beta who I know has no ability to stop and be tactful I’ll send off running. If you are intrusive and in skilled, gtfo.

But like I said, I’ve always been happy for another man to show me early what type of person I’m with.

huntdog49 · 2019-04-02T10:10:33+00:00

I was watching, The Family Guy, last night. Peter takes SC a job as a break up clown. That's also a good idea. Just let her cum to you.

diiianaaa · 2019-04-01T18:52:07+00:00

Glad to know people like this exist. I agree with every single thing in that post !

Hmurie · 2019-04-01T17:02:11+00:00

This is some beta cuck shit, if there’s a girl im interested in I’m going to go for her, the only exception is if I personally know the boyfriend, or if he’s a genuinely good guy then out of respect I’ll let them be happy and keep the relationship platonic.

Other than that this post is ridiculous. If you know anything about hyper gamy you would know many women stay in relationships unhappy waiting for a better mate to come along. She doesn’t leave because shes scared to be alone. And you coming along is literally what she’s waiting for.

This sounds like some guy who got his girl stolen from him and is trying to overcompensate by teaching why you shouldn’t steal other people’s girls.

thebestonenz · 2019-04-02T01:37:56+00:00

OP is beta

End of thread

ntipz011 · 2019-04-02T02:59:53+00:00

This whole post is butthurt and forgets that girls have emotions and feelings. They are not a toy belonging to you. If they want to cheat they will. They are not harmless and innocent kids that mean men manipulate into cheating.

Yes they do operate on split second emotions sometimes AND THAT'S OKAY. That's the nature of women. Now if you're unhappy because you can't keep a girl you might want to look into why.

Or grow up and accept that polygamy is a normal human behavior.

Sorry man, if I don't know you and your gf keeps looking at me I'll try. Why would we go against the natural emotion that's attraction? Not to hurt some other possessive guy's feelings?

On a sidenote, most girls dont cheat. And if they do its because their bf is being lame and they are not afraid to lose him anymore.

rawbface · 2019-04-01T17:20:20+00:00

I disagree with a lot of this on the grounds that it's anti-seduction. It's pro-being-a-good-person, so this all depends on what your goals are.

I say this as someone who was cheated on very badly by my ex wife. I didn't go after the guys she slept with - I was nothing but a ring on her finger to them. Her relationship was none of their concern. If the girl is in a closed relationship, that's not your moral dilemma, it's hers.

Obviously if you're looking for a long term fulfilling relationship, follow OP's advice at all costs! Like I said, it's all about your personal goals. On the contrary if you're just looking to hook up, and you're being honest with the girl, don't push her away because of some arbitrary moral compass.

GGuy999 · 2019-04-01T22:37:35+00:00

I got a simple rule - if I know a girl is taken, I won't game. Plenty of free girls to choose from.

enjoinirvana · 2019-04-02T00:26:00+00:00

A lot of grey area in this but I agree with you. Good to see another man here with morals and self-respect.

SpinPlates · 2019-04-02T00:27:52+00:00

A guy is way more valuable as a friend and wing man than any girl.

You coule approach HIM and make a new friend, or you could steal his girl and fuck her for a couple of months and be done with her.

Whenever I'm out, I make casual conversation with just as many dudes as I do women.

Sk8tr_Boi · 2019-04-02T04:37:43+00:00

I maybe late but I am guilty of stealing someone else's fiance (now wife) but allow me to shorten the story with some points:

She is my best friend and everytime they fought, she runs to me. One time we kissed. We were clearly attracted to each other.
Her bf was the asshole and was spotted with other girls and had rumours of cheating. He continues to deny it.
He treated her bad.. even forced her to drink one time even when she wasn't feeling it. He treats her like a piece of property.
They were engaged but she felt trapped and not really into it. He put an engagement ring on her but the way I read it, it was like claiming ownership over her. She tried to break the engagement off but he's a manipulative prick.

I had enough of this dude's bullshit and so while the guy went overseas, I stole her, made it public. The guy eventually lost trust and gave up. People were upset for awhile but I knew the truth. Eventually, they all saw how happy she was with me. We're celebrating our 9th wedding anniversary this month.

Do I encourage stealing someone else's girl? Nope, but I let the girl decide. But if you treat her like shit, she's going to look for someone better that comes along.

donkeybeast · 2019-04-02T13:15:08+00:00

If a girl is in a relationship with a whiney little bitch like op, then you better believe I'm fucking the jesus out of her. Poor girl has probably never been properly dicked down. Cute list op, maybe you could show this to the next Chad with his cock down your gf throat. Go lift and get off your high horse.

guisar · 2019-04-01T15:00:06+00:00

Women are not objects so they are not owned by anyone other than themselves; they are free to associate and even have sex with anyone they want. It's shitty to "cheat" and if a woman is down for that, maybe the people legitimately pursuing them should reconsider. If other guys want to get violent or belligerent over that- that's on them. If you're just trying to screw the chick without consideration for her feelings and the supposed sanctity of a relationship then you're an asshole.

Just my take. This notion of women being someone's possession has no place in a modern society.

BuddhaInAstripclub · 2019-04-01T15:33:54+00:00

This is a moronic post . Reality is not so simple that one can act from 1 to 4 as there many factors your small brain doesnt count it which complicates the situation. Some people meet just because of environment even tho they dont have that much compatibility, i would rather pursue my soulmate even if she was in a relationship, people are often too late that their effort and emotional investment in a relationship didnt pay off in the long run even if they're unhappy they are reluctant to leave due to investment of life into it. OP try seeing the world as complex as it is instead of being a moral potato.

isthisalreadyused · 2019-04-01T15:16:01+00:00

Honestly man, who the fuck are you to try and tell others what they can or cannot do? Who made you the moral authority on dating? You definitely are giving off that vibe.

I feel like this post was made just to get a bunch of upboats from the other fedora-wearing moralizers that plague this sub, and this site.

CJ090 · 2019-04-01T15:38:41+00:00

If the girl is hitting on other dudes, or hitting on you, walk away. She'll cheat on the other dude eventually, don't get involved with the drama that follows. There are far easier lays out there.

I have to disagree with this. If you are vibing with a girl but don't want to interfere but she's gonna cheat anyway then you might as well be the one. I had a situation earlier this year where I met a great girl and found out she had a boyfriend. I tried to stay away but the attraction was there. As I tried to hit on other women, she was getting hit on by another dude but I knew she was really into me. I eventually said fuck it and didn't let the opportunity pass because she was going to fuck someone that night and it might as well be the guy she spent all day with and really gets along with.

pre-death · 2019-04-01T18:43:37+00:00

Sexual strategy is amoral.

Slut_Slayer9000 · 2019-04-02T09:30:24+00:00

ITT: The whitest of knights

God speed to you sad gentleman. Don't hate the player hate the game. If your girl is out at a bar or club without you entertain dudes, you ain't got your shit on lock, and no matter how much you blame other men its your fault for dating a girl who lacks morals or any kind of character. You're much better off directing all your anger at yourself for being such a pussy then any dude who is involved in "stealing" your girl.

BigJohnnyCockRamPHD · 2019-04-01T15:32:34+00:00

Blame the women not the men, they have full agency over their choices and actions. You sound like a white Knight coming to save the day. 🚫🧢. Lemme tell you how it works out here in the real world since you probably don’t interact with women and fuck them regularly. I don’t pursue or chase women in relationships they chase me. They put themselves in these situations because that’s what they want to do. I just happen to oblige them in the moment. Stop treating women like some mythical creatures incapable of moral turpitude. Until you’ve picked up a girl whose running down the street talking about “drive off my boyfriend is chasing me” and then sucks your dick for an hour straight befor you drop her off back home around the corner because she’s scared of her live in bf lurking, or you hear a girl telling her fiancé she loves him and is about to go to sleep meanwhile she and her friend are about to come back to our place to fuck me and my friends, then I don’t wanna hear your bs white knigh moralist spiel. These chicks ain’t shit sontreat them accordingly so because that’s what they want. You’re the type of weakling to put your gf on a pedestal which is the reason she runs to cheat with guys like me.

bruiser18 · 2019-04-01T18:48:45+00:00

Fuck the other guys, I see I take.

A_solo_tripper · 2019-04-01T16:37:24+00:00

What the hell is this? Is this some 'be nice' shit? Some 'please don't take my girlfriend' shit? Is that what this is?

Bobandjim12602 · 2019-04-01T18:14:17+00:00

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Alex_O7 · 2019-04-02T08:19:56+00:00

This post is the most pathetic thing among all of the things you have said...

There is not a single good thing in your post.

1st it is not a matter of seduction (so it is oddly out of topic).

2nd who are you to say and decide that a girl is not smart enough or that she is not emotionally stable enough to reject another man if she is already engaged? Women are way better then men to refuse the attention of males that they don't like so why an engaged women would be worst in doing that?

3rd you may don't like that practice, and i'm ok with that, but who are you to say that a thing that you don't like is pathetic?

4th behind a cheating there are always some reason and almost no one do that only for enjoying life with someone else. So you have to respect problems that a girl could have in her relationship and accept the possibility of jer cheating.

5th there are a lot of relationship stacked in a problematic situation, but where they could not just cut off. So in that situation most of the people prefer to have someone else even DURING the relationship before leaving their current partner (that works for both men and women). This is the old argument of a monkey that does not leave a three if it could not reach anotherone immediately.

charlieshammer · 2019-04-01T20:56:11+00:00

Sounds like you got cheated on, most of us have been there. I fuck when I want to fuck. Obviously she's not relationship material but if I wanna smash and she's down then that's it. Hit it and quit it, don't get entangled with her and her drama. I don't white knight for every cuck out there. Lord knows she's going cheat if she wants to cheat, dick comes cheap.

I know this sounds callous, and my heart goes out to the poor bastards. But the second you start worrying about whether she has a boyfriend or whether she 's a cheater makes you second guess yourself. The second guessing makes your game go out the window because your frame of mind sucks. Some girls always jump from guy to guy, and are never single for a week, if you want that chick you don't have another option. But I agree, many fish in the sea, no reason to spend a bunch of time trying to break into a relationship, but sometimes its low hanging fruit tastes just as good as that on the upper branches.

Also, no married chicks. That's the limit of my moral stance. I refuse to be responsible breaking up families and it kills my attraction to any woman who'd risk that. And when my dick goes soft I move on.

pentakiller19 · 2019-04-01T21:27:59+00:00

It's not your job or responsibility to protect her relationship. If she comes on to you, fair game.

TheWalkingNightmare · 2019-04-01T16:02:13+00:00

I'm way better looking than your ugly-ass boyfriend. Poor girl, you deserve better. It's all justified.

QuiteTheBrianD · 2019-04-01T16:53:14+00:00

You have to be a special piece of shit to do something like that. Glad y’all agree

pototakoala · 2019-04-01T18:10:52+00:00

Ah, I'm just so sad.

I like this person a lot but she's married and has three children. I've come to know it's impossible between us and am not pursuing anything.

We still talk and I see her very often. I'm really happy for her and I hope she's happy too.

I don't know what makes me feel worse. Knowing I can't ever be with her, or the guilt that I like someone married.

She's one of the few reasons why I just low-key hope to be hit by a bus, rather than jumping off a building

DajuanKev · 2019-04-01T19:24:54+00:00

In a way, I kind of wish I had the ability to steal a girl if she's already taken because I know its bound to happen to me anyway.

TheXXL · 2019-04-01T16:16:41+00:00

Nice, trying to start a discussion with insulting your opponents and playing the moral busy body. Well, let me say this much: no matter how much you despise guys like me, I will never care enough about your moral standpoint to stop doing it. Life is no theme park, life means survival of the fittest and its terribly brutal, you really should realize that since you won't change that.

mrrooftops · 2019-04-01T16:51:03+00:00

I love stealing the girls from the guys who knowingly stole them from other guys. If I hear that's how they started, I make every effort to take her. It's just too easy because these predatory betas go for, as has already mentioned, girls when there is little to no competition. Easy pickings when I switch the competition afterburner on and show them what they could have in a truly competitive landscape. However, if they didn't start that way then I wish them all the best. Karma is KING.

Title	Stealing girls from other guys
Author	Bobandjim12602
Upvotes	391
Comments	386
Date	April 1, 2019 2:55 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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