Police plan to tackle 'incel' culture to cut violence against women

ExMuzzy · 2023-03-18T20:05:44+00:00

Couple things here. The article links incel culture to a rise in domestic violence. Those men by very definition are not incels. Also, “Incel” mass shootings aren’t a thing in the UK. I have no idea what sort of violence caused by “incels” that they’re referring to.

The word incel has lost all meaning. People seem to think that misogynistic men are actual incels and vice versa, any man who can’t get laid must be a misogynist. There are plenty of men on forever alone who are involuntary celibate but aren’t hateful. Even we’re branded as incels for caring about equal rights regardless of our actual sexual status.

Edit: found this comment interesting on the UK subreddit

Want to stop the movement from growing? Fix the economy.

The reason why these communities have grown is because we've ruined the economy. A man's worth is judged by their wallet and social status and we've created a social underclass of men who cannot get good jobs, cannot make friends, cannot afford to move out of their parents' home by their mid-twenties and have nobody to turn to because people laugh at and ridicule them, and because we've basically gutted out all mental healthcare programmes. This is of course a social death sentence and has basically created adult virgins.

So close. They recognised the pressure placed on men through traditional gender roles but instead getting rid of them, they suggest only fixing the economy.

meraki_05 · 2023-03-19T03:05:06+00:00

All they know how to do is constantly shame. Can you imagine the backlash for shaming lonely women who don't get laid? These people are fucking hypocrites.

goodmod · 2023-03-18T22:27:43+00:00

recommendations based on engagement with the general public, women and girls, survivors of violence, key partners, academics, and experts.

So, everyone except the "incels" they're trying to reach.

critical_Bat · 2023-03-18T19:38:18+00:00

I was reading another post regarding this article and was going to post a question since that view was quite popular in the other post.

How does the term involuntarily celibate imply being owed sex?

I cant see it meaning anything other than the person is not abstaining from sex because they reject it.

deconstruct2012 · 2023-03-19T05:00:43+00:00

I'm a gay dude who has slept with men most women WISH they could get. They even call ME an incel when I disagree with them on something. I had one in person a while back ago, and she called me an incel. You should have seen her shortcircuit when I told her I was a gay dude, and very sexually active.

Alarming_Draw · 2023-03-18T21:02:01+00:00

Meanwhile, theyre happy to ignore all the millions of feminists saying "kill men", "make fake rape accusations about men", "guides on tricking men out of their money on dates".....

DutchOnionKnight · 2023-03-18T23:28:33+00:00

Women who go their own way; strong independent women

Men who go their own way; danger to society

Make it make sense.

RockmanXX · 2023-03-19T05:08:30+00:00

This culture is largely online, where incels communicate across various platforms in what is often called the "manosphere".

Classic Moral Panic Trick, they're using the excuse of stopping Incels to crackdown on the entire anti-Feminist, MRA, MGTOW, Red-Pill Spheres. This is an example of runaway Progressive Totalitarianism, you're an incel Nazi if you don't tow their line and treat the narratives of the liberal elite as gospel truth.

Ok_Night_7767 · 2023-03-18T23:14:12+00:00

No where in that article did I see where they had made a direct connection between growth in the incel movement and an increase in violence against women. They appear to be drawing an inference from changes in just two statistical data points one of which does NOT support their contention. The other, the comparison to the five year average, may be badly flawed because of its base. At least two of those five years would have been heavily influenced by Covid19. Neither of the quoted stats would support the conclusion they appear to have reached.

As men we are constantly berated for not vocally expressing our feelings but when some of us do, they want to muzzle us? It may be that simply "getting it off their chests" will relieve some of the frustration for a great many and actually prevent the violence the authorities supposedly fear.

I do think that the police should monitor such sites to guard against the extremists who will do more than just talk. However, that also implies that they should be monitoring the rabid feminist sites as well. Note to the authorities: Women MUST be held accountable to the same laws that are called upon to protect them.

Per their own statements, the incel movement has grown exponentially in a very short period of time. Where is the discussion of the cause of this and the steps they are planning to take to address it? Are they interested in a real solution or is this just an expression of their intent to ramp up the pressure on the disaffected?

Hey, I have a thought. Why don't they just legalize prostitution? The incel movement would evaporate overnight! Police resources would no longer be needed to prosecute a victimless crime! The ladies providing the service would earn an above-average income! The ladies who chose not to be service providers wouldn't have to suffer from nearly as much unwanted attention! The guys would have a certainty of outcome for their nights out! Public health could be better monitored! Governments could tax this activity! Win, win, win ...

Wasteofoxyg3n · 2023-03-19T08:09:54+00:00

Women choose to date/marry physically abusive men, society blames men who don't date/marry. How tone deaf do you have to be?

I see so many articles about how men are "privileged" yet we are constantly demonized and turned into scapegoats.

UniversityEastern542 · 2023-03-19T12:44:13+00:00

This is completely backwards. "Incels" aren't around women in any intimate sense. That's the entire reason they're incels.

The most common perpetrators of violence against women are spouses or intimate partners, who are, by definition, not incels.

PM_SHORT_STORY_IDEAS · 2023-03-19T09:22:12+00:00

Oh cool! So they're going to look at root causes and support men into building strong social networks, such that they feel loved and valuable outside of a romantic relationship?

...they're totally going to do that, right?

DTreatz · 2023-03-19T06:24:17+00:00

Do people not realize society IS men?

Built, maintained an innovated by.

Ostracizing them and not addressing the REAL problem is only going to accelerate the collapse, been that way since the 50s.

But please, do go on, I'm actually interested to see how this all turns out. Schadenfreude.

63daddy · 2023-03-18T22:54:48+00:00

Imagine saying: we’ve seen an increase in black people gathering and talking and an increase in crime so we are going to go after black people.

It’s the same argument. It seems society can never get past justifying discrimination, we just change whim it’s politically correct to discriminate against.

KrazyJazz · 2023-03-19T06:50:26+00:00

So basically more police? More control? More scrutiny? Will choosen celibacy for men becomes some kind of a highly punishable crime all of a sudden? 'He's 30 and not married or called for. He must hate women!' Who's gonna define 'suspicious behaviour'? Are they gonna create a Pre-Crime Unit? Jesus F. Christ! The UK is becoming slowly but surely a dystopian feminist laboratory.

MensEquality · 2023-03-19T03:16:46+00:00

Why not provide accommodations for these men rather condemn them even further?

Emet22 · 2023-03-19T04:50:12+00:00

To hell with them. This is gaslighting, and even if it wasn't, there are far FAR worse problems they could be focusing on.

Zook-Cantaloupe-7970 · 2023-03-19T09:44:32+00:00

Man, the UK is a fucking police state. I don't say this lightly but this article looks like it's straight out of China.

It's not like we're doing much better where I live but at least the police here aren't doing, and I quote, "we will challenge these unacceptable beliefs" of something they know "is largely online". I mean what the actual fuck.

Stinky_Fly · 2023-03-19T05:25:21+00:00

Well well well it has come to the point where they have started policing even the freedom of thoughts, your thoughts are not liked by women change them wtf. And what's with this creating a safe society for women and girls when majority of crimes are committed against men.

WA0SIR · 2023-03-19T15:17:16+00:00

Oh yet another thing to help women…. Meanwhile men are killing themselves at rates never seen before…. No one gives a shit… but gotta protect toxic women who stay in toxic relationships…. They’re the real hero’s 🙄

pearl_harbour1941 · 2023-03-18T21:53:33+00:00

Meanwhile, women's (IP) violence against men seems to be at record highs, and NO ONE is talking about it...

Standard-Broccoli107 · 2023-03-18T21:47:50+00:00

I didnt have sex until 23. I was probably the least threatening dude you could find. What makes people dangerous isnt if they have sex, but if they have purpose. I didnt have sex, but I wasnt treated like dirt either. If I was treated like young men today then I might have gotten dangerous.

Trev6ft5 · 2023-03-19T01:54:14+00:00

Yeah sure hoards of incels roam the streets at night attacking women /s

Blatant institutional sexism yet again, At this rate they'll have to start cloning ppl because everyone is a SINK and can't stand the other sex

MensEquality · 2023-03-19T03:15:22+00:00

Blaming the male victim makes police thugs for women.

matrixislife · 2023-03-19T06:06:27+00:00

What, the police are going to start dating some of them?

_No_Pain_No_Gain · 2023-03-19T16:14:46+00:00

I am sick and tired of the damn society constantly portraying women as victims and bow down to their pathetic victim mentality and constant whining. Men should be blunt and harder on women. When women have less support they will have no choice but to get a grip, suck it up and keep moving. The best way to cease a woman from playing the victim is to deprive her from attention and turn your back on her. I am woman, I didn't have so much support in my toughest times and it was for the better. I got a grip, quit playing victim and took the lessons. And the word incel only resides in the vocabulary of the victim complex snowflakes.

amazinglyaloneracist · 2023-03-19T10:06:16+00:00

These groups are not intending to fix a problem, instead they look to create division and hate towards powerful segments of the economy.

Imagine the shit storm these so called Incels would generate simply by calling in sick for a week, two or a month god forbid.

They abstained from the economy or better yet invested into projects that would strengthen their political will if lifted.

There is no inherent incel violence against women or mass shootings by them or whites.

Everyone knows who is doing the run on the laws and it clearly is not these "incels"

WhiteGuar · 2023-03-19T15:13:34+00:00

The thing is we incels don't deal with women at all. We are completely excluded from that sort of interaction. Violence usually comes from "normal" men who women let stay close to them.

Castruccio_Castracan · 2023-03-18T23:33:29+00:00

Yeah I'm sure there's so much 'violence against women' perpetrated by depressed loners who never talk to women in the first place. Tons and tons.

For the record, since I hate purely destructive criticism (unless something really needs to be just destroyed): if you want to tackle intimate partner violence, by far and away your biggest area of action if abused men. There's zero attention being paid to it, studies tell us it's at least as frequent as the victimization of women, and even basic interventions and provision of services would have an immediate gigantic effect.

But we all know that's not the point. The point is a political agenda where it's been predetermined who the worthwhile victims are, and everything follows from that.

aerial_coitus · 2023-03-19T01:09:00+00:00

the end of western culture as we know it is drawing nearer every day, boys………

g1455ofwater · 2023-03-19T02:29:05+00:00

Will live in a Class based world where authorities are allowed to do anything the want to those at the bottom of the power structure and those at the bottom are incels. Right & wrong are completely foreign concepts to the justice systems run by world governments. All that matters is power.

aigars2 · 2023-03-19T11:31:51+00:00

Is police going to force to date people who don't want to date or date people who are not being dated. Where's even violence there. Are they going to violently date incels? That's so bizarre.

ggleblanc2 · 2023-03-18T20:46:01+00:00

From the article:

Proposals from the report include addressing incel culture through educational efforts, providing trauma-informed training to all members of the police force, and increasing the utilization of visually recorded interviews led by sexual offenses liaison officers.

I don't have a problem with the interviews, since those would happen to people arrested for a sexual offence, nor the "training", but I would like to see the "addressing incel culture through educational efforts". I imagine there would be some education going both ways, as incels try to explain the actual manosphere. and not the imaginary manosphere living rent-free in the minds of these misandrists.

Uncle_Touchy1987 · 2023-03-19T12:26:01+00:00

Ha! They won't acheive anything.

JosephDavidZ · 2023-03-19T20:19:01+00:00

Sounds like they are grasping for any reason to justify subsidizing taxpayer funds into the hands of radical feminists.

RobSavageBro · 2023-03-19T11:35:52+00:00

Just because I don't trust women doesn't mean I hate them. Sex is very easy to get but respect isn't. Red pill all day everyday 🤷

mcc9999 · 2023-03-19T17:36:22+00:00

Lol. Well good luck to them. They're dogs barking up the wrong trees.

megamike382 · 2023-03-19T17:41:36+00:00

An the media always attacks men. I'm sick of it.

ERiC_693 · 2023-03-18T23:11:27+00:00

This obviously to combat growing critical views of feminists and the toxic views of men it espouses in universities and domestic abuse shelters etc.

It's a manipulative "nip it in the bud" type of action.

That said these Tates are fake role models and are not activists but just exploiters of growing criticism of feminists and university style anti maleness. There is a need for activism on complex male issues but these incel types aren't it. However, male issues cannot be discussed using a feminist framework, it ultimately denies there are male issues.

dw87190 · 2023-03-19T00:25:56+00:00

What about incels that are committing violence against men UK? You /are/ aware that incels are men and women, not just men, aren't you?

EvidencePlz · 2023-03-19T10:23:07+00:00

Incels should just cut their losses and give up on the desire to build sexual, emotional and romantic relationship with biological women. Instead, they need to become fully red-pilled and become MGTOW and then invest in and investigate AI companions. The bio-fems in their default state are so boring, cumbersome, problematic, sexually and emotionally incompatible with men, and a big legal and financial risk to modern men, especially due to unchecked, unfair, unjust and borderline facist feminazism and gynocentrism that's been allowed to prevail by governments of most western nations these days.

Given the rate at which modern science and technology is progressing and moving the digital AI sex industry forward, there will very soon be a time when not only incels but also normal, average men would vehemently refuse to involve themselves with women sexually and romantically, simply because way better artificial, digital and AI-powered alternatives will be available for men.

These are exciting times, and men all over the world, including incels, should be happy, get busy and promote the digital AI companion industry instead of wasting valuable time constantly moaning and whining about their lack of biological female companion 24/7/365. Leave women alone guys! We have so much better alternatives right here right now already, and even better and more realistic ones will be available for you soon. Just be patient!

_name_of_the_user_ · 2023-03-19T12:22:00+00:00

Prim on the subject of incels. She covered it pretty well imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdPe8OkWmt4

megamike382 · 2023-03-19T17:41:02+00:00

Legalize prostitution an there goes the incel problem. Or let's watch porn which frustrates men an is the same as prostitution anyways

2023-03-19T02:04:45+00:00

I’m not going to dispute that there are some men who really take things too far. They’re the same lonely men paying for onlyfans and not focusing on themselves. But that’s a minority of men not majority.

With that said, facts are regardless of whether you’re good, honest, hardworking man providing, no one cares about you. I mean look at the courts system. Your wife decided she’s bored and betrays the man and he loses his house, kids, and 3/4 his paycheck. No repercussions for her. Or, false accusations of rape and you lose your livelihood, family, all without evidence. Believe all women they say. The #killallmen was trending everywhere you didn’t here anything reported on that toxicity.

I say this to say that unfortunately as men, it’s you against the world and you have to adapt. Date if you want and have a ceremony even, but avoid marriages to protect yourself, don’t put yourself in a position for someone to accuse you of anything false, focus on yourself and don’t obsess over how unfair life is for you as a man. Further, I want to be absolutely clear before someone calls me an incel. I don’t believe that women are bad in anyway. But the reality is that feminism no longer want equal right, instead they over-corrected and want more power which they’ll go to any lengths to get it. As men, we have to be careful not to make that same mistake as the radical feminists and over-correct. Stay safe, and just continue being a good person gents.

BoomTheBear86 · 2023-03-19T09:45:47+00:00

I think with this topic you need to distinguish between “incels in the fact” and “incels in the culture”.

The first are a group of often lonely, socially eccentric men who are incel in their status, but they do not necessarily identify as such in so much as proclaiming it some essential part of their identity. They do not purposefully flock to social spaces seeking out other men in the same situation. If that happens, it happens merely because these men in a similar situation have similar hobbies or interests that cause them to congregate.

The second group however do strongly identify as incels and often make it the core fact of their narrative. Some of them are not “incels in fact” as they purposefully choose not to have sex with women because of their beliefs about women, but they claim the title of incel all the same (or they use the term volcel) and these groups often actively seek out men in a similar cultural vein to share groupthink on their situations and often the biggest commonality between them all is that they dislike women. Not just “don’t have luck with” or “are jaded towards” - they actively dislike and hate on women and broadcast some very troubling views regarding how they “should” be treated.

It’s like the difference between redpilled men or bluepilled simps and then the Blackpilled doomers.

To me, when I see something referring to “incel culture” it’s very often referring to the black pill doomer lot. Because of all the “pilled” groups, they’re the ones who wave around the “I am incel” flag loudly as their primary facet of identity. They’re the ones who engage in the incessant labelling of the incel group and distribute all the other jargon associated with the outlook and they’re often the ones who are chronically online n purposeful “incel” spaces created solely for the discussion of their situation (which often descends into women bashing sprinkled with revenge fantasies and the like) but of course; their utterances are “in Minecraft”.

Assuming my perspective is correct, I have no real issue with them keeping an eye on those groups because they’re all too often extremely unconstructive spaces which are a circle jerk of rage; angst and believing the world should realign for their purposes without them having to do much of anything at all. Nor should they have to. And all it takes is an impressionable mind to read into their garbage to take it a step too far. I view the extreme female spaces the same way (the ones that do nothing but call out for action against men and that they deserve harm).

So long as these movements steer clear of the “incel in fact” guys who don’t get drawn into that apocalyptic worldview and “just happen” to be incels and maybe feel crappy about it, but want to change their situation, I have no issue.

But very often the issue with black pilled doomers is they don’t want to change, they actively resist change, they don’t want to take any responsibility for anything and they’d rather fantasise about stripping people of basic rights so they can get that which they seek without having to put forward any modicum of personal effort. In this way they’re exactly the same as the worst recesses of the feminist movement, and neither have a place in our world.

People in a poor situation socially or otherwise need support so long as they’re receptive: and the support needs to listen. But honestly; if people in the situation are within the “fuck all of you, I owe you nothing, I hope you all die, you’re all my enemies.” Mindset then no big loss if they get pounded upon.

Potentially unpopular I get that. But to me, there is a colossal difference between guys who are social outcast incels and unhappy and depressed about it, and then those who take all that; and decide that the world owes them everything and everyone who resembles the causes of their negative experiences need to be punished/undermined. This is precisely like the women who have a few bad experiences with men and then decide “all men suck, all men should be killed. Men are trash”.

It’s one thing to feel bad about your situation and circumstances and quite another to form a misanthropic worldview centered around it.

Supportive outreach should be attempted first and foremost but if that fails and they resist, then, more punitive actions aren’t surprising honestly.

NullIsUndefined · 2023-03-19T02:17:45+00:00

What would they honestly do though? Some minority report pre crime stuff? Like I get stopping people who have posted that they plan to harm others. But otherwise, it's a big concern if the government just starts arresting people

CptKillsteal · 2023-03-18T22:39:37+00:00

lol, yeah let's not get the problem at the source...

miltonbilton · 2023-03-19T19:37:50+00:00

At lot of comments here are stating something along the lines of, "The police are talking about domestic violence or jntimate partner violence, incels are definitionally celibate so this doesn't apply to them, gotcha libtard". I think this fundamentally misses the point. It's unreasonable to expect any normal person, even law enforcement, to know the exact technical differences between men's rights communities, if you go ask a random coworker about the ideological differences between redpill, mgtow, MRA, incel, meninist, etc, communities they're gonna look at you like you're insane. The general sentiment from the police here in my mind is, there seems to have been over the last few years a rise in younger men who think that dating and relationship dynamics/feminism is/are harming guys and something needs to be done about that. With the easiest example being the explosion in popularity of Andrew tate over the last year. And apparently they've found that many of the more extreme members of these men's movements are committing more violent crimes against women or justifying those that do commit those crimes. They're trying to crack down on this. I would say this is generally a pretty reasonable course of action.

PMyourDnDfeat · 2023-03-19T10:04:12+00:00

Oh man, what would it mean if it worked?

queenjennaa · 2023-03-19T19:25:34+00:00

This actually pisses me off

megamike382 · 2023-03-19T19:46:00+00:00

Umm ya

Simsimouz · 2023-03-20T18:06:01+00:00

In my understanding of the article they were targeting “incel culture” not involuntary celibate. They are tackling men who identify as being part of incel culture and “manosphere”. Behaviors that can lead to violent actions like hate speech. Because this people are a danger, they didn’t talk aboute men who are single not by choice And even if it’s not fair to identify every involontary celibate with this mouvement, it’s a dangerous behavior that needs to be watched, for every kind of mouvement not only because it’s dangerous to women.

bonsaifigtree · 2023-03-22T01:39:46+00:00

"Incel violence". This is something I've never understood. Incels are probably one of the population of peoples least likely to abuse women. Less than fellow women, even.

Wanting women to consensually desire them but not being around women is kinda their thing. (And then saying shitty things online.)

The overwhelming majority of violence and abuse towards women is perpetuated by domestic partners.

And mass shootings by incels are incredibly rare in America, especially when you scale it for the 350 million people that exist there. Vending machines are probably more violent.

Title	Police plan to tackle 'incel' culture to cut violence against women
Author	Kagedeah
Upvotes	545
Comments	246
Date	March 18, 2023 7:32 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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