This sub treats men and women like hive minds

Outside_Memory5703 · 2025-01-30T21:02:21+00:00

And that’s why we debate about it

Anecdotes are also not the only basis of discussion

GridReXX · 2025-01-30T20:52:51+00:00

It’s a debate sub. Do you agree that patterns exist? If so, you should expect people to recognize said patterns and trends and debate them :)

AlmostKindaGreat · 2025-01-30T20:52:52+00:00

Some generalizations of patently true things are helpful to facilitate discussion. We don't want to have to submit rigorous, mathematically airtight proofs for everything.

For example, relying on "Women like confident men" as axiomatic is convenient. It's not true for literally 100% of women but it's true enough as it is obviously a broadly desired characteristic that affects men's success with and approach to dating.

So generalizations aren't always bad or malicious and sometimes they are helpful.

leosandlattes · 2025-01-30T20:49:13+00:00

The red pill treats women and men as generalized groups for very specific criteria regarding sexual selection and attraction, and even then there is some room for individual variation. Generalizations will exist because the patterns exist, even if the individual data points are subjective.

In regards to this subreddit in particular, a large part of the problem is that an increasingly small amount people have ever actually read the r/TheRedPill or r/RedPillWomen theory posts. They get their info from God knows were and then wail about how all women only want 8'5" alpha trillionaires with 2ft dicks.

Or that men only want submissive FF-cup women who have 3 ribs removed to get that coveted 10-inch waist (though we see less of this just by pure numbers... self-identified incels make up about 1/4 of the PPD user base according to the last demographic survey).

As a result, the quality of debate on this subreddit is often very low with people creating editorialized, inflammatory content, and other users responding in kind... not unlike what you have done here with your post 😉

InitialPaths989 · 2025-01-30T22:09:54+00:00

It’s nothing like that, it’s that if you’re just glancing and reading. If before every single time when you say “women” it’s not “sometimes some women may do this under this scenario” then there’s an instant flurry of replies, “not me”, “not all women”. It’s just the instant knee jerk response when a man says something about women that’s not a glowing 5 star review and represents a critique based on circumstance.

Dertross · 2025-01-30T23:05:51+00:00

Generalizing is necessary otherwise debate is utterly pointless because there's always going to be an exception when it comes to human behavior.

Windmill_flowers · 2025-01-31T01:27:49+00:00

Just include a disclaimer: not all males, not all women, etc

Spirited_Cod260 · 2025-01-31T04:10:40+00:00

One of the realities many refuse to admit is that we're all not special snowflakes.

There are only so many patterns of human behavior.

Disastrous-Chart-928 · 2025-01-31T12:43:25+00:00

Posts like this stem from the individualist cultures spreading in the west, especially the US. Humans are not as special or unique as we like to think we are, yes there are outliers but people are more alike than they are different. Have you even been to a bar/club? the vast majority of people talk in the same way, do the same things, have similar hobbies, have the same clothes, use the same slang. Women in particular are particularly similar, when I lived back in Ireland and I went to a bar literally every single woman was drenched in bronzer and their hobbies were basically limited to social media and make up. There's biological and sociological reasons behind this and that's fine.

People want to feel special and that's also fine, we all do it. But it's delusional to think you can't compartmentalise people. Generalised behaviours very much exist and they're commonly observable.

ThisBoringLife · 2025-01-31T15:38:47+00:00

The issue is not just the accusation of what the other side does, but also when individuals do the same to themselves.

Something along the lines of "I'm a woman, I do X, so all women do X", and the same line for men.

I argue against it from time to time, but I will say I have seen individuals claim hivemind for themselves and their gender.

spanglesandbambi · 2025-01-30T21:05:39+00:00

Most subs are echo chambers by nature as only those with views on the sub in the first place come here.

Zabadoodude · 2025-01-30T21:33:44+00:00

Obviously it's not all men and not all women, but It can be helpful to identify patterns. I do agree that people should make more of an effort to take actionable steps to get the results they want, but being aware of the patterns that exist in the dating scene can help with that.

silverhippo15 · 2025-01-30T21:52:45+00:00

Because humans are far more alike than different. No one is unique or special.

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tres_ecstuffuan · 2025-01-30T21:12:19+00:00

Sometimes the convos are interesting here, but this is mostly what happens.

Eastoss · 2025-01-30T21:56:28+00:00

it's cruel

No it's not. Ethics and morals are for actions, not for seeking the truth. The truth remains the truth regardless of how outraged you are at it, and pursuing the truth is noble regardless of how grim that truth is.

"but you and I can't find that truth everybody is different" there are patterns and heuristics, if you can't form them that's your problem nor ours.

For example I don’t like gold diggers so I’m dating a doctor.

"If you're on the bus and nobody smells bad, then you're the one who smells bad." - Lao-tseu

Dangerous-Specific26 · 2025-01-30T22:13:14+00:00

Tf does being smelly have to do with all of this???

RikiTikiTavi9000 · 2025-01-30T22:27:17+00:00

I think the response to this will be “But I can’t find that kind of person!” Well… why are you on Reddit debating about it instead of meeting people?

People can only do one thing at a time, apparently.

chobolicious88 · 2025-01-31T00:15:32+00:00

Well theres human nature. Its in mens and womens nature to embody certain traits and behaviours.

And all of us embody that nature in lesser or greater percentage. Most of us embody it enough to generalise and theres nothing wrong it it.

kexray · 2025-01-31T00:22:56+00:00

In a lot of ways tiktok, x, and algorithmic doomscrolling has created hive mind mentalities on a scale we’ve never seen before. Most of the women I talk to echo and agree with whatever ideas are trending at the time. There are outliers but they’re few and far between in my world right now.

G4M35 · 2025-01-31T00:39:22+00:00

Any sub once it gets moderately successful becomes an echo chamber. That's the case of this sub, add to it also becoming a circlejerk, with everyone pointing finger to the other side.

Well… why are you on Reddit debating about it instead of meeting people?

Because this is Reddit, remove the Reddit drama, and these people have nothing left.

VWGUYWV · 2025-01-31T01:31:55+00:00

Humans are insanely tribal

We break out into groups for freaking sports and then fight over it

Most humans are dumb as fuck and let someone else think for them and care too much what others think and about fitting in with a group

-SidSilver- · 2025-01-31T12:17:29+00:00

You're right.

However, the current makeup of society is also encouraging men and women to embrace those things that make them a hive mind.

There's no better consumers than the ones whose actions you can predict with almost certainty, and if you can't, can be trained into indulging in their cave-person brains in a way that makes them mindless customers.

HomeAccording7184 · 2025-01-31T12:35:16+00:00

It’s cruel to write off 50% of the population like that

Being cruel would require a minimum of effort. I think it's rather a simplistic way for simple minds to try and understand reality. One-size-fits-all kind of thing.

You can see how they try to make sense of their BS with essay-like posts that they think give them a scientific allure or something.

They also refuse to see a way out of their misery, and prefer wallowing in their sorrow.

It's sad, really.

adamsfig23 · 2025-01-31T14:23:05+00:00

I’d add a corollary: people in this sub like to say “I’m a man, so let me tell you how women think” or “I’m a woman so let me tell you how men think” as if they have some ability to speak for the other group.

They create self-fulfilling prophesy by ascribing intent and thought to what they observe without actually seeking understanding.

mcglothlin · 2025-02-01T18:29:30+00:00

Most people are unfamiliar with sample bias and it shows.

Boxisteph · 2025-02-02T08:51:21+00:00

You don't like gold diggers or you don't like poor women?

All the married female doctors I know dont pay for a thing and do the 'what's yours is mine and what's mine is mine' it's great hey look much less stressed out at work than the women who need to support a family whilst also having people die in their arms or care.

Proudvow · 2025-01-30T21:24:24+00:00

Women basically are hive minds in some ways though.

How many women like average-looking and below shy soft sensitive submissive men?

Not remotely enough to realistically find. Hive mind. Many such examples.

Open-Quail-2573 · 2025-01-31T06:29:13+00:00

Uhh my friend generalizations exist because stereotypes are more often true than not. If I say, a blonde white girl is very likely to be a T Swift fan in my town that's not a stereotype it's true. The statement is true way more often than not. That is not the same as me saying, "Every blonde white girl in my town is a Taylor Swift fan". I assume people here are smart enough to make those distinctions when they see/make broad statements. I mean I hope at least lol.

Jiburonotsu · 2025-01-31T01:47:37+00:00

I was raised to think women had developed emotional standards, and that I could attract the type of girl I was interested in (nerdy and into anime, decently pretty and not fat) if I myself presented decently and was interesting. Come to find, they all just wanted someone who fits narrow scale of masculinity. Spent my life getting into shape and learning to not care about people's feelings, and now most women pay attention.

Don't ever say they're not a hivemind. Even if they're not they might as well fucking be.

professional_incel · 2025-01-30T22:31:19+00:00

That's because women are a hive mind. They can't reach any conclusion without communing with the gestalt consciousness to reach consensus. Why do you think that women care so much about what other women think?

Independent-Mail-227 · 2025-01-30T20:36:02+00:00

Women should be treated like a hive mind due to the high level of social cohesion and lower personality variation.

In this sub men are treated like the way that the women in the moment need to "win" the argument.

meisterkraus · 2025-01-30T20:38:43+00:00

The thing being talked about would dictate this. So women are hypergamous would be ok. Women are golddiggers would not be.

Title	This sub treats men and women like hive minds
Author	Dangerous-Specific26
Upvotes	85
Comments	82
Date	January 30, 2025 8:27 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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