Always use a voice recorder before and after sex. U should get into the habit of doing it, you never know what might happen a couple weeks or a month after.
I was hit with a false allegation, I told the detective I will not speak unless I have an attorney, I was never charged, but they wanted to speak to me. I'm in the US.
I met this girl, liked her, chilled, etc. Cool covos n shit. I knew she was a slut, I did not care, she tried to hide it. I'm not the type of person to bring people down, unless i must.
We were both in highschool and walked home together, we chilled at a park and we fucked in the women's bathroom. I walked in there to piss, she pulled me into the stall. Got down to business.
She liked it, eventually we grew apart and we was on to the next. Couple months later a detective calls and tells me I have a rape allegation.
I had no evidence and after I met with the detective and told, I would not speak unless I have a lawyer, i thought I was fucked.
Found evidence on her Instagram and I was ready
Never got a call back from the detective. I never thought I'd be hit with an allegation, I was one of those "What are the odds"
Beware of religious women, strap up, and have proof.
The next I like to text, “I had a great time,” so that they respond that they did too. Screenshot.
Nice, definitely using this.
Just don't mention SEX, even of she says something about how much she liked you big cock.
You can still deny the sexual act itself in the worst case scenario, but you can't backpedal once you say mmmm your pussy was so gooodd
Don't post here often, but wouldn't you want to be specific in this case?
No.
If you do that, you're admitting to sex, and all they need to prove is that it was not consensual. "I changed my mind halfway through, but he didn't stop."
If you keep shtum, they first have to prove you had sex in the first place, which is even more effort, and thus the whole thing is likely to get thrown in the "too hard" basket.
Also if you are specific, but some details are either wrong; or different than what she says and they take her word over yours, you've just discredited yourself.
Search "don't talk to cops" on YouTube, there is a great video that explains all of it.
NEVER EVER TALK TO COPS.
They are not your friends. On the contrary.
I'll add to that. One big reason you don't want to be specific is in case she doesn't respond at all. And, even if she does, don't underestimate the court/jury's ability to gobble up the most absurd bullshit ever.
Example 1 - Text: "Had a great time having sex!" Response: None
Example 2 - Text: "Had a great time having sex!" Response: "Yea same!"
This. Right here. Cut it with the "had a great time" bs.
I had a great time having sex with you... now all she has to do is say she never agreed to it and she has proof you did fuck her.
What if she didn't have a great time?
What if she doesn't reply or is all like "nah, it sucked actually"?
That’s when you go back to the gym 👍
That's a lot better than a false rape allegation. I'll take that response all day.
What if she responds with that and also accuses you of rape?
By the reply itself, and even continuing the conversation she sets herself up. If she had really been raped, she would have completely shut down and you'd only be speaking with the cops or her lawyer.
I'm not sure a jury would see it that way.
Surely you don't think that would actually work in a court room?
In many scenarios text messages are not valid evidence, as they can be fakes. The cell carrier does log valid messages for a few days though.
I understand that this is a little helpful when you are not needing to prove innocence, since you are innocent until proven guilty. Still, seeing it pushed in many threads, repeatedly, with no evidence it works in an actual court is questionable.
Recording consent, even where it is questionable, is really the only protection you should be using.
Whether or not it's valid as evidence isn't the point. The point is "I had a good time" does not mean "I consented to sex".
Innocent until proven guilty doesnt exist.
They remand you to jail and yoy plea your case from there
"She was ontop the whole time"
My buddy got hit with a false rape accusation. The story itself is halarious but id need a PC amd motivation to look up the three articles.
Tldr the chick makes out with the school pariah, cries rape so she doesnt lose social status, and then they all go to court and holy fuck.
"Right around the point private pyle blew his brains out she started playing footsie with me"
And when the judge scolded the crown. "NAUGHTY NAUGHTY." (borat voice)
Defense lawyer: "Did you kiss him" (2 min silence) "No" Four witnesses stated otherwise, she lost all credability. False accusations can be funny sometimes. Spending 11 days in solitary conefinement because a woman accuses you of something, aint cool kids.
Saw the REAL victum post a fb status on the aniversiry, the fucking chick send him a kissy face emojii; and its been like 7 years.
Women are straight fucked. They will put you in jail for two years as opposed to getting in trouble and losing social status for skipping school on 420 and getting stoned.
Nice. Thank you for sharing this. Will use.
I had the exact same idea before. Glad to know it's put to the test. It's perfect.
Well phrased, "I had a great time" is vague (doesn't say 'great sex' etc.) so it would be hard for it to be used against you
I'm convinced this is the only way to handle a false rape accusation. Don't say it was consensual, because now you've admitted to having sex and all they have to do is show lack of consent. If you say "I want to talk to a lawyer, and I don't want to talk to you to protect my constitutional rights", they basically have nothing at all and give up.
Never say anything at all. You basically win if you do that.
I'm pretty sure it was posted in this sub, but there was a great video of a lawyer lecturing on why you should never say anything to the cops and always lawyer up immediately.
Yup, I mentioned it at some point and someone else commented with the video link. It's a lawyer and a cop giving their points on dealing with police. The lawyer argues that you NEVER talk to police, especially if you're innocent, and the cop said he more or less agreed with everything the lawyer had said.
Look it up on YouTube. It's some college lecture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE&t=2s
Can you elaborate on why we “win” if we don’t say anything? Never ever had this kind of trouble, hope I never will, but I’m just curious. Are you essentially saying all cops are out to prove you wrong just so they can fill quota?
They have the burden of proof. They need at least *something* more than just the woman's word.
Don't give them that something and they really don't have anything to go on.
If you say "she's a liar", that proves you know her pretty well. Theyll make a big deal about that to a jury. If you just shut the hell up and ask for your attorney, there's virtually no chance they'll even take it to trial.
Shut the hell up and ask for your attorney. I don't care if the God Damn cop asks you for the time of day. Shut the hell up and ask for your attorney. That's literally the only way to deal with the cops.
There's no quota. The cop is sent to get anything they can use at trial. If you don't give them that, the DA will basically tell the girl, look, there's nothing more than your word on this and my boss will never let me waste the money on a trial this weak. He didn't even admit to knowing you before he asked for his attorney, because the only thing any Male now says to a cop is "I want to talk to my lawyer, I wont talk to you to protect my rights under the constitution".
So the literal meaning of “anything you say can and will be used against you” holds true then. Thanks. Scary shit.
The real important word in that sentence is "WILL".
Yes. Police's job is only to gather enough evidence to build a case "against you" never "for you" ever no matter what frame they try to convince you into to answer them.
They are legally allowed to lie to you.
You are legally obliged to tell them the truth and any lie you tell will be fucking used against you.
Never EVER feel the need to tell your side to the story EVER to the police, that is you attorney's job in court.
You are never declared innocent in a police intervew ever ! even if you manage to convince the detective he cannot definately declare you innocent.
This is why they are legally required to tell you that... because it is literally true.
I dont know how it is now, but when my grandfather was a cop 40 years ago there was quotas and bonuses for numbers.
They would also take you in the showers and beat you with a hose if they didnt like you, so thankfully some things are different these days lmao
There's always pressure on cops to make an arrest in every case, and to provide enough evidence that the guy pleads it. But if you shut the hell up, the cop has no probable cause and no evidence. He'll move on to a more promising suspect in a different case: he knows he can't win them all.
There are still quotas and numbers but it's illegal so they're not supposed to so they do it secretly now. I live in Mass and a few months ago it was leaked to the news when one local police department sent emails to their officers telling them they needed to arrest more people and fill out more tickets for that month and certain officers then forwarded those emails to the news station. So even though quotas are technically illegal, it's still common.
Yeah, they beat you in public now and shoot you if you're not the "right" color.
Yeah I know, those evil white people amiright? Ask Harvard University economist Roland G. Fryer Jr., an African-American, about how his study found that even if it is justifiable, such as an officer being physically attacked, police were 20% less likely to shoot the suspect if they were not white, and that officers were "... more likely to fire without having first been attacked if the suspects were white."
Im sure it has nothing to do with certain groups disproportionately committing crimes, as NCVS data shows that black men are up to 3 times as likely to commit a violent crime as a white man.
So do I need to have a lawyer already or how does the getting a lawyer part work?
The cop needs probable cause to make an arrest. If all he has is the accusation, and then your complete silence, he has no probable cause. No lawyer needed, because the cop really cant arrest you with just a bare unsupported accusation. That's what appears to have happened to OP.
If they had DNA evidence, they already have probable cause (or the cop is a dick and has nothing), and the cop is just questioning you to fish for more evidence, you'd have two routes after your arrest. If you can bond out, you hire a lawyer at that point. If you're broke, theyll appoint a public defender.
With nothing more than an accusation, and your total silence, if they actually brought it to a PD, you'd be out in an hour, all charges dismissed. Your lawyer will have the charges dismissed in 30 seconds.
Shut the hell up, and don't talk to your cellmate. He's likely a cop, or a snitch. Talk about baseball or the weather. Tell them you have no idea why you were arrested, but it might have something to do with the Lindbergh kidnapping.
Adding on to this since I've dealt with a situation similar before. A lawyer is nice if you can afford it but you can literally say "I'm not answering any of your questions and this is the last word I will speak from here on out." if a cop comes to speak to you at your house, on the sidewalk or at the station and then stare blankly at them while they try to get you to say another word. You don't need a lawyer to remain silent and you damn sure don't have to talk. It is important that if you choose to remain silent that you remain COMPLETELY silent as I believe if you answer any questions (even if they are about the weather) it is consent to having a conversation and it ends up keeping you there longer.
A detective told our criminal Justice class something like 50% of all murders would be unsolvable if people adhered to their rights and kept their mouth shut. Let that sink in and remember it.
About that last part, do they really put cops in the cells to fish for information?
Yes he does. He has an accusation given to a police officer, or an affidavit of some kind. "Officer, I saw that man rob a bank" is probable cause that that man may very well indeed have robbed a bank.
Do they? Sworn testimony is evidence. It depends on the jury. If the woman can turn on the waterworks on the stand, and maybe the police have mobile phone records that indicate that you were at least in the area, a jury may very well be convinced beyond reasonable doubt.
Waterworks and "at least in the area" are a big jump to "beyond reasonable doubt." And your sworn testimony against hers is evidence as well, so all they'll have is two opposing stories and no proof.
They need a warrant to get location data now. Supreme Court just ruled on it.
This is gospel. Many people don't understand you are NOT required to answer any question from an officer or detective. None. You are under no oath and you owe no answer. So do not give any, in any way, shape, or form. The ONLY time you are required to answer questions (and they're really pretty much only yes or no questions) is if you've been sworn in on an oath in front of a jury of your peers.
the trouble is they will have evidence of sex if she goes to cops the next day. even though it was consensual, your DNA will be there and the law will know you had sex.
Yes, but you'd get off for lack of bruising. Most false rapes have no physical evidence at all, just a bare accusation.
Kinda. Watch this. Its basically required watching. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE
Mirandize yourself out loud slowly and see how it sounds and then consider that the person who is putting the cuffs on you is only telling you those things because they are required by law, and otherwise they would not. The law enforcement system and criminal justice system are machines, and they are programmed to work. They are a hammer, and they function to see if everything they run across can act as a nail.
"You have the right to remain silent. Anything, ANYTHING you DO or SAY......CAN........ and WILL be used AGAINST YOU in a COURT OF LAW.".
I'm sure most police and judges and prosecutors are nice people in their personal lives but when it comes to work they are just one of many cogs in a big machine and are there to do their job and go home, and their job is to run a person through the machine to see if the machine and determine they're a criminal......
and the machine IS NOT PERFECT. Its like a wood chipper...its great at taking brush and turning it into mulch but if make an error and feed it a person or a human limb it'll grind that up too.
YES. They don't give a shit about truth. They want to bump their arrest numbers up. DON'T GIVE INTO THEM. They're mostly pigs. They don't CARE. They presume you're guilty anyway. THEY'RE REMUNERATED BASED ON # OF ARRESTS; DON'T BE AN EASY TARGET.
Avoid and ignore them, and if they box you in, LITERALLY remain silent. Not a single word to say ANYTHING.
Not just so they can fill quota, but because it’s their job. Their job is to charge people with crimes, not determine who is innocent and who is not. That’s the job of lawyers.
Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE&t=2s
The police only want a conviction. They are under pressure to "improve" their sexual assault conviction rate. They assume you're guilty and don't care if not.
As said above: don't admit to sex. If she can show she might have been drunk you've got a big fucking problem. If she can't prove sex, it's much better for you.
Is this a US-only thing because of your constitutional rights?
Wondering if this would also work in the UK.
You have far more rights as a US citizen than you do in the UK. For one thing, the US Constitution and Bill Of Rights ensures all citizens have certain rights when being investigated, arrested and tried for a criminal conviction.
Think about it this way - the establishment had to create a whole branch of pseudo-law to get around the constitutional rights of the accused (Title IX on college camuses) as the protections given by the constitution are so strong. In the UK, this is not necessary, as the police and courts can and do pretty much whatever they like. In theory we have the ECHR, but the law is so loose and vague that the only people who can benefit from it are those with access to very expensive lawyers, which usually turn out to be terrorists or those associated to terrorists. It also doesn't help that the prosecution routinely fail to disclose vital evidence that would help the accused.
If you are suspected of any kind of criminal offence against a woman, you will likely be immediately arrested. There is also a good chance you will be held in remand if it is a serious allegation (rape, etc.). The value of testimony is much higher in the UK courts compared to the States, especially if she can convince her friends to testify as well (happens more often than you might think). The police will not exercise discretion - that is reserved for senior BBC employees and members of an unnamed religion. It is likely that you will have to do any explaining in front of a judge.
My advice would be to politely cooperate with the police, but do not mention anything about the case to them. You have the right to a solicitor in the police station - use it. Even if it is only the court appointed one. Do not agree to being questioned until you have consulted with your solicitor, and have the solicitor in the room with you. The police will push you hard to forego the solicitor - do not give in and insist on their presence. Even if they say you will need to be kept in the cell for a few more hours, go with the solicitor.
Something else, if you are innocent and you are given the option to go with Magistrates amor the Crown Court, always go with the crown. This will be more expensive (you will need a barrister) but this gives you the right to a jury trial. Magistrates courts are a joke.
Text messages are useful evidence, along with photos, social media, etc. This is because a woman making a false accusation is likely to: 1) Embellish the story about how 'scared' she is of you, and; 2) Wait a while before deciding to make the accusation. Having these messages can be used to poke holes in her story - e.g. why is she laughing and enjoying herself in photographs with you, when she claimed she is so scared of you she had to hide?
Such hole-poking can be incredibly useful, especially in a jury trial where the jurors will not be bound by pro-women politics as much as the magistrates / judges.
It's sad how one-sided the whole affair is.
Thanks for the detailed response.
Edit: Do you think a voice recording would be legal and/or useful?
UK citizens actually have way more rights. I live in the US but learned this when I was watching a documentary about how many people here in the US give false confessions and get convicted, only to have to fight for years while locked up to prove their innocence. The news/documentary crew hired a former UK detective to watch the police interviews and the "confessions" and he talked about how many things went wrong and how the UK had recently changed their laws to limit false confessions and limit what police could do to get confessions or arrests. It was very eye opening because in the past, I never understood how someone could confess to a crime they didn't commit, especially a serious crime like murder, but the countless videos they showed, illustrated how easy it is for a trained police officer to get someone to falsely confess. This is why they say to always keep your mouth shut, especially if you're innocent.
You are very incorrect FYI.
Care to expand? I'm wondering what my rights are as a Brit.
Correct. 5th Amendment all the way.
jesus. But, good work on not talking to the police. And for everyone else, remember to say NOTHING. Not even, "no I wasn't even at 'x's house on that day". Not even, "I never even talked to so and so". Because, the cop could find some witness to discredit you at some point with regards to something that isn't even directly related to the allegation just to ruin your credibility. Say absolutely nothing. Even if you are 100% innocent.
This. 100%. The cops are NOT your friends, and they are not interested in discovering "the truth". That's TV land. Do not talk to them at all without an attorney present. Do NOT talk to them at your front door, do not talk to them on the phone. Do not "come down to the station to clear this all up." If they have enough to press charges they will gladly come get you, put cuffs on you and tell you that you have the right remain silent. Which you should until you speak with your attorney. Also - be aware that they can tap your home phone line (and possibly you mobile? Not sure) so don't jump on the phone, text or social and start talking to everyone you know about whatever you are under suspicion for. Also - OP should be aware that it is not legal in every state to record audio of someone without their consent. But you can have video (without audio!) in almost all states I believe. If you bring a lot of women back to your place record video of your "interactions"
Put a sign on your front door that sez, "Video and audio recording on these premises for security purposes." THAT informs anybody entering the place.
I refuse to take any sort of legal advice from anyone who spells says "S E Z" ...
Don't talk to the police period.
https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE
I feel like the videos of the interactions without consent is pretty greasy tbh.....
And a false rape claim isn't? Just the charge alone will prevent you from ever getting a job or a place to rent ever again. Conviction or not doesn't matter. They see the charge and it's an instant no.
.....good point. Very good point.
How does it show up if there is no conviction? I’m asking because I don’t really know what is on a background check.
Anything about you can come up in even a basic Google search of your name. A arrest and charge can show up, especially if it makes even the police blotter in a small local newspaper. Even if you are acquitted, it doesn't erase the accusation charge from the internet. I don't think anything is ever truly removed from online.
It depends where you live and depends if the arresting police department publishes their arrest logs online. In the vast majority of US states, only convictions show up on a criminal background check. The problem comes with states like Massachusetts that I live in because Mass has what's called a CORI (criminal offender record information). A CORI shows every single arrest, regardless of the outcome. People have been fighting for CORI reform here for years because it prevents people without convictions from doing a lot of things like getting jobs. Casinos are now just opening in Mass and they've been fighting for CORI reform because they STILL haven't found enough people to hire and they're opening in a few weeks. Unfortunately, I'm one of the many here in Mass that has a CORI but no convictions and it prevents me from getting many jobs or doing other things. If I had been convicted, I could apply for an expungement but because I wasn't convicted and the charges were dropped, there's nothing I can do.
It’s not like you’re getting off to it. It’s literally just documented interactions in case you get a false allegation. Why the fuck wouldn’t you protect yourself? Women carry pepper spray, dudes should carry recorders.
It has saved people from false rape accusations and fake domestic violence charges. An angry woman will have you thrown in jail fir 20 years and laugh about it. It's serious as a heart attack. Dealing with women is like juggling hand grenades.
Yeah, that's bullshit. There are certain crazy women just like there are crazy men. I'm a woman and I don't care how mad I got at someone, I have enough common decency to NOT file a false charge against someone. There are crazies who do this but there are some in both sexes. The vast majority of women and men are decent people that wouldn't file false charges.
Aren't you wonderful. I was accused of domestic violence after my girlfriend tried to stab me. Luckily I got off. Evidently restraining a woman who is attacking you with a weapon counts as "assault". Glad I'm not dead, or saddled with an assault charge.
Btw: check the actual domestic violence stats some day. In cases where only one person is being physically violent with their partner... the majority by far are women assaulting men. And no, there aren't crazy men who accuse women if hitting them or raping them - that's 100% women. Because they believe they can get away with it.
Depends on jurisdiction. In my state it's 1 party consent. Meaning as long as 1 person is aware they are being recorded it's legal. So if I bring a girl home and I'm aware I'm recording then it's legal.
Yeah, I didn't say shit, I was always told the police is against you. I also read that detectives get paid more for every case opened? Not sure if that's true.
Yes, and for arrests made.
This is why COPS on the TV show is a huge blue pill programming machine meant to raise arrest quotas nationwide. You will NEVER see a dude on Cops who shuts the fuck up and says he wants a lawyer. Nope! They make it look like cops do them a favor by 'going easy on them' if they do the 'right thing' to tell the truth and make it easier to get that said arrest quota up for the $$$$$
The other fun thing about COPS: you never see the perpetrator escape in car, on foot, etc.
In reality, escaping pursuit is much, much easier than they want you to believe.
Way easier. Getting away from tracker dogs is much easier than you'd imagine as well.
Easy to get away from dogs? Im giving up if there using dogs on me
Charges cannot be brought against you that result in a conviction if the follow steps are taken in most States in the US.
Regardless of whatever crimes you may have committed, there cannot be any witnesses for this to work, and you must use an alias.
If and when you are questioned by any form of law enforcement, you MUST say the following when addressed, regardless of what they say to you first (statement, question, command, etc.)
Raise your hand and plead your 5th, 6th, and 4th amendment rights in that exact order. You must be able to cite each amendment word for word. After this you must STFU no matter what. Obey any LAWFUL commands made by the officer, get his name and badge number, and say that 'I am not being detained and am free to go.' Dont ask if you are. If they say that you are, know that the max time in most States is 30 mins. Make this known and get the interaction on video if you can from a body cam, recorder, or someone else's phone.
The reason you must say these amendments is because the officer will not be able to question you, or take you into custody for whatever reason. Even if they have a warrant, if you have stated these rights you dont have to identify yourself if they ask you who you are. If they demand ID say you don't have it on you, and since you have pleaded the 4th, they cannot search you or your property for ID. The only way this probably wouldn't work is if they showed up at your home address.
You cannot be charged AND/OR with this method. Even if you get arrested by a beta cop because you wont cooperate, the judge WILL throw out the case once your attorney makes it known that you stated your rights and the police violated them. Warrant or not. The only variant here is that you can be federally indicted if a case is strong enough to make it to a grand jury to issue a warrant, but if it gets to that point, you didn't follow the above steps
The police are allowed to get identification from you, the 4th amendment does not protect from that. The case law is decided. If you do not identify yourself they can detain you.
The real irony here is that some states don't require you to provide identification in order to protect illegal immigrants
Hahahahaha! Cops absolutely do have the power to arrest you on suspicion, and there's video after video of "freeman on the land" beatdowns if you care to go look at them.
Don't take legal advice from someone who isn't a lawyer in your jurisdiction.
They also have to release you if they don't have any evidence to continue to hold you.
They arrest you hoping you'll provide that evidence for them.
That's the whole point the other person was making.
And if were not taking legal advice from someone who isn't a lawyer, why then should we take it from you?
You're not one of those who thinks their rules applies to other people but not to them?
do you know what's the difference within canada? i have voice recordings, receipts before and after i drop her off, her texts too.
You can be remanded to jail based on an accusation and have to argue your case from there.
Had a buddy that went through it. Dont ever talk to the police and hope to fuck all your friends are downstairs listning.
Note: Do not attempt to pull this crap unless you are obviously white.
LOL, are you for real? I'd much rather pull this crap if I was black - so long as it was on video. Here comes $10MM+ because the big, bad popo violated my rights.
As a white guy, cops can do whatever and no one feels bad for you. "It's about time" is what the masses think.
You honestly think Starbucks would have had a day of sensitivity training if a white dude got kicked out of the store? (I've actually seen white people told to leave when they didn't buy anything, its total BS that it only happens to blacks).
I agree. If a cop wrongfully arrested you or beat your ass then other black people would protest and burn down the cops favorite donut shop
So maybe whites should start protesting then? I mean what do you want us to do? We got our people's back (regardless if they deserve it)
yeah those evil white people amiright
Ain't it sad that shit like this happens... What a fucking insane world we live in...
The #MeToo movement is a scary thing. Don’t get me wrong, harassment and rape is terrible, and those who do it should be hung by there toes...but I feel that your average joe gets Raw end of the deal. Those false allegations are terrible, and should be held to the same standard as to what they’re accusing the person of...in my own opinion
The punishment for lying about rape should be allowing the male to legally rape the woman in a private room within the courthouse for safety/security reasons and then walk free.
Please do us all a favour and use a noose instead of shooting up a school.
You want him to hang that many kids? It'll be a tough one but i think we got enough rope.
Dude. Light years too far. Penalty for the false accusation should be the maximum penalty the accused would have faced - with no possibility for the judge to mitigate said punishment. To many judges go light the moment they see something with a vagina.
Edit: and a false accuser registry would be nice. With the same rules. They'd have to wander around to their neighbors for the rest of their lives informing them etc etc.
It's fucking scary that someone can just ruin your life on a whim.
Girls on the rebound or screwing around and then caught by current boyfriend will readily do this.
Something something Chris Hardwick.
'Affirmative consent' is going to be legislated at some point. Then recording won't suffice.
All she'll need to do is claim you didn't seek out 'affirmative consent' i.e. didn't get explicit verbal consent at key points during the act. That - regardless of what's on the recording - she felt coerced or threatened in the situation. That's what's so insidious, under the guise of protecting women it makes defendants guilty with no way to prove otherwise.
I bend them over the desk of a notary and get a signed consent form for each thrust. Can't be too careful.
We already have started retroactively judging people in the past for their sexism/racism.
Soon men will be retroactively judged for sex without affirmative consent decades ago. It will be hard to speak up or argue against it on places like facebook as hoards of feminists and betas will label you rape apologist and misogynist. Power wins over truth in the short and medium term. The witch hunts will amplify until morale improves
Affirmative consent already exists in at least one EU country if I'm not mistaken. Can't wait to see the long term effects of that one.
It does? Probably one of the scandanivian then.
However, idk whats wrong in the US but this whole false rape accusation thing is NOT an issue in europe. We just have drunk sex and except from some regrets everything is just fine. I cant imagine the need to record before and after sex wtf.
Count yourself lucky. Here, drunk sex = Rape.
What if the man was also drunk ? Didn't the woman also rape him ?
Yes. But nobody arrests and charges the woman with Rape. Just the man.
One of the reasons I have security cameras in my apartment. Never been accused of anything, but being that Sweden is such a cucked feminist country I'm not taking any chances.
Better safe than sorry.
same here in Finland. You can't trust the lawyer since he won't challenge the state. Otherwise he will be marked as a trouble maker and no more cases coming to his direction.
Damn, sorry to hear that.
Always best to be the controller of any situation, rather than the lawyer being it. If I have the proof I don't need a lawyer to convince anyone.
Also, I would rather be in trouble for having security cameras everywhere than being accused of rape.
Just basically dealt with this. My now ex I found was sexting another dude and cheated on me. I immediately broke up with her (obviously). She wouldn’t stop harassing me and threatening me and for some reason in her trying to get me back and to come talk to her she thought threatening false allegations would work. As soon as I got the chance I blocked her on everything and changed my phone number. Always protect yourself. I actually had a small conversation with an officer about it, he’d been through the same situation not long before and gave me his info if she came into contact with me again so I had the trail showing her threats. She was a bad person. Probably still is. Taught me to give less of a fuck and to be better to myself though which is ok with me. I actually saw her at a bar I was at last night. I feel for the new dude.
I feel you bro. Had similar experience. She cheated on me while I was working abroad for two months. I've collected the evidence and changed the keys to the apartment, sent her stuff to her friends address. That saved my ass. She tried to win me back, when that didn't work she threatened me. 'I am not enjoying doing this, and I would not if I there was no absolute evidence of waht you did' was my answer. Shitty times...
One of my cousins was recently accused of rape by some random girl (eastern EU). He is pretty smart but looks like a hobgoblin so they dragged him into custody for 3 months. The allegations were dropped and he's going to get recompensed $6,000 for the trouble.
I've been recording for almost a decade. saving all texts, pics, emails etc. haven't had to use it yet and hopefully never will, but it sure as shit helps. some of my friends were hit with bullshit back in the day that's when i decided to cover my ass. especially with me making decent bank now it's even more important.
Do you press record before you make a move? Or is the video recording always on? Curious what’s the normal routine
just a voice recorder app on your phone. it will still record with screen off, at least mine does.
This. Never found myself in any trouble at all, and hope I never will. But i always save texts, naughty pictures I get, and tell them I had a great time over text just so I can CYA if need be. Screen shotting Tinder conversations helps a bunch too. Sad world we live to see that we've come to this.
The surefire way to avoid false accusations is to:
-only use snapchat (phone numbers are identifiable info)
-only go to her place for SEX and no meeting room mates
-Use a fake name/FB and dont let her see your car/plates
-Audio recording sex. NOTE: even if you're in a 2 party consent state, that doesn't keep a prosecutor from going 'oh shit' and throwing your case out because even if it's not admissible as evidence, they know she will crumble on the stand under cross examination
All women lie about sexual assault unless due process reveals otherwise.
"-only go to her place for SEX and no meeting room mates" So how the hell are you going to audio and visually record the whole thing?
Strap a GoPro on your head
The camera on my head? Don't worry about that babe, I was just snowboarding with some friends earlier...
Strap a GoPro on your dick.
"Naw baby, I was just born that way"
prosecutor can subpoena snapchat and make them provide documents that show which phone number is associated with your username and go from there.
No you can delete your phone number from sbapchat once you aign up and they cant track it
You're out of your mind if you believe that Snapchat isn't storing historical email records.
It depends if a joo is in charge of that department or not
Snapchat would like permission to access:
*your contacts
*your location and gps
*your sms and messages
*access your email
*read your reddit profile
*know your social security number
*call your mum and tell her what a nice boy you are
We promise we won't do anything bad with this information. We swear.
Lol thats not how data works. Its still in some column somewhere and the phone number is probably the primary key.
I bet they have archived databases with your phone number in it whether you "deleted" it or not
i never put in my number when signing up so they don't even have it
That's not deleting your number from their servers, that's only removing it from your public account.
They would keep your number for account verification if you signed out and forgot your password.
As a woman who has been raped this shit always disgusted me. These women who retract consent WAY after the act to avoid responsibility. Fucking gross. I'm so glad you didn't have any really bad repercussions. So sorry that happened to you.
I really don't get the women who cry false rape. You would have to be a real sicko to falsely accuse a guy of rape. It makes it harder to know who the real victims are (like yourself) because of all the fake accusations.
Even with the metoo movements, there are tons of false accusations scattered into the real ones against guys like Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby
Yes! It really pisses me off.
"I invoke my constitutional right to remain silent and I want to speak with my attorney."
When the hitman Mike on Breaking Bad was arrested, every time the cops asked him a question, he responded with a single word:
"Lawyer."
"Lawyer."
"Lawyer."
I thought that was a good approach.
Ex-cop as well, he knew the system.
It was also a TV show.
Be polite but firm and just say you aren't answering questions and want to speak to your lawyer. It's typically not an awesome idea to piss off the cops any more than you have to, regardless of how fucked the situation is.
Thank God I don't live in the US.
Super curious. What kind of "proof" could you find on Instagram?
If they stay the night, take them out the next morning and pay with a credit card. That leaves a paper trail. No rape victim is going to breakfast or Starbucks with the guy that raped her. Sad that this is what we have to do today.
Even so called evidence can be blocked by the court or ignored by the police. Travel overseas brothers to Mexico and Brazil where prostitution is legal. Only have sex with hot Sex workers vs sub par lying western whores. Payment is proof of consent. Don't be like this guy.
No, it cannot be "blocked by the court," even if illegally obtained, if it is actually exculpatory.
The police: sure they can ignore it if they like? Totally irrelevant in this situation though, because you are never talking to them anyway.
Let them arrest you, charge you, get arraigned (not guilty) and post bail. Your attorney will then submit your exculpatory evidence to the local prosecutor, and at that point you're off the hook for anything except wiretapping or eavesdropping (depending on the jurisdiction - in most free places this legal, and even if it isn't, it's usually "improper form" to prosecute on exculpatory admissions).
Wrong, there was a kid a few years back that was set up by a bunch of girls. They basically plotted to get him on false rape charges and then boasted about it on social media. The attorney tried to get the court to allow them to subpoena the evidence, however the judge blocked it initially, it took months before the judge finally agreed, and then he was finally set free. If you really want to do that dance then go for it. Personally I don't want to risk going through all that hassle while believing the justice system will come true, versus getting laid every few months across the border.
I have no idea what case you are referring to, but the very fact that a subpoena was involved means that there was a different concept at play than the scenario posited in this post.
If you illegally record audio recordings of obvious consent, these will be admissible in discovery in all State and Federal criminal courts in the United States. End of story. There are no subpoenas involved here whatsoever: the exculpatory evidence was created first-party.
Dude why tell anyone to put themselves in this position in the first place. Being credible is important, I am not just talking out of my ass, but ultimately, why are you trying to fight the power? Why take the risk and waste the time?
I would guess that part of it has to do with the fact that "Hey man just cross the border and get a prostitute in an area where STI's are twice as common as back home" isn't exactly a realistic solution to this problem for most people
INAL, but there's something called "rape shield" law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_shield_law
Basically you can't bring up the accuser's past sexual history.
If you have a good lawyer and follow local laws you’ll most likely be fine. Obviously everyone should check with a lawyer and their local laws first but it’s still better to protect yourself than do nothing.
Why even put yourself in that position is the real question. Why not just use http://www.internationalsexguide.info, go overseas, get a whore every few months dirt cheap (we are talking $30 - $50 in many places for a gorgeous whore) and avoid the hassle and risk of banging some random lying slut?
I don’t have that kinda travel money yet but I’m working on it lol. Not against the idea though.
Still, people are gonna pursue shit wherever they live. Lots of college students on TRP as well. Guys on campus are under more direct scrutiny and attack than ever before. Those dudes don’t have the time or money to travel
When you're accused of rape and facing down jail suddenly they'll think differently. I understand your situation, but pursuing a woman around you is plain stupid. It is literally dumb. Jerk off then, but under no circumstance hook up with some Western Bitch.
People are still gonna do it though and it's better they protect themselves than not.
Prostitution here in brazil is fucking expensive. About 150 USD an hour for that matter. No way that’s an alternative to meeting girls and having sex with them
"Last night was amazing. You are really good"
The validation addicted Thotmeister will respond with some slutty "Me too. That dick is fire"
Screenshot. Save to Google Images under my email address specifically created for this shit. Stays there for years and years. Right now I have images going back to early 2013 saved. Because once these Thots grow old and look back at all the dicking they got for no commitment, the get bitter and start crying #MeToo even decades later.
Personally have come close to being accused 5 years after the dick down.. Some slut I was fucking in the early 2010s. We bumped into each other in a beach hotel where I was staying just to unwind. We had previously had sex but I ghosted her. That day we start talking, go out to the clubs, come back, she jumps on my dick and starts sucking (that girl could give head), I carry her to the bed and fuck her. She gets up, dresses and says "no one must know". A month later I discover that the slut was dating a friend of mine. A friend of mine from childhood and this is why she had said "no one must know" before leaving the hotel room. She was seriously dating this guy. They do so for a couple of years. That relationship goes to shit. The bitch thinks I told the guy that I had fucked her on her "vacation with the girls" and that is why he dumped her. She tried to spread a rumour that I had forced her into something sexual.
Other women in the community kill that rumour and advice her to shut the fuck up. Why? I still don't know but everyone around me knows that if you fuck with me, I fuck back savagely.
And yes I had saved all the messages on the folder. Including one of her saying she "orgasmed after a long time and might bootycall later." When that rumour started (I was alerted to it by her best friend), I got those images, Facecuck messages forensically retrieved from my phone and stored with a lawyer pal of mine.
ALWAYS GET PROOF. Otherwise you are going to be fucked by the criminal justice system. And if you are accused, say nothing to anyone in the absence of a lawyer. Don't counter, don't respond and don' say nuthin'.
Words can complicate things. For her to prove her false allegation of rape, she must prove that (a) you were together (b) in private (c) had sex including penetration (d) it was unconsensual.
If you say "but she consented" you relieve her of the burden to prove a, b and c. Basically you are fucked
Sounds like she got preggo and had to explain to her pops how it happened
don't fuck random sluts in the women's bathroom to start with and you avoid needing all the recordings and hijinks after the fact.
Hmm, recordings aren't admissible as evidence in criminal cases unless the person was aware and consented to being recorded, as far as I'm aware. But I suppose they might be enough to prevent the case being prosecuted in the first place.
Overall, that's super fucking shitty that girl tried that.
The problem with rape laws is that, in order to give women a chance at being listened to and deter it from happening in the first place, we've had to allow women the opportunity to accuse anyone and be taken seriously. It's fucking atrocious that anyone thinks it's ok to falsely accuse someone, potentially ruining their entire life, because we all know that some people fall through the cracks of our justice system.
But... unless we can find a solution where women are taken seriously, but not to the point of falsely convicting people, I think it's better than it was before. That's not to say that some companies haven't taken it wayyy too far, like Netflix.
EDIT: this explains for the United States a general overview of the states' laws regarding recorded conversations. Pay special attention to the predicate rules.
https://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/criminal-law/criminal-law/surreptitious_tape.htm
absolutely false. i was a victim in a criminal fraud case where i had recorded evidence with only me being aware of the recording. not only it was admitted as evidence without problems not was the main evidence used to bring down the person.
seriously, don't follow legal advice on this site and consult with lawyers because then you have stupid shit like above getting upvoted by autists
Only 12 states require both parties to consent to the recording. I would guess that you're in one of the states that only requires one party (you or them) to consent to the recording. So no, it's not "absolutely false". You used an anecdotal example.
Regret is not rape. There is a difference.
Yes... I don't see how that refutes any of my points. Rape still happens.
Of course rape happens. It’s awful that it does but no one is denying it. But false allegations happen too. Women carry pepper spray, men should carry recorders, consent apps etc.
It’s literally just self defense.
And I'm not arguing with you lol it is atrocious that some people think it's ok to make serious false accusations just because they feel bad about it.
I completely agree with you. In fact, I think a good way to go about it if you have the opportunity is to get the person to explicitly agree to it over text, especially if you're going to be doing anything kinky/violent. That is, if you don't just have a contract written up, but that seems clunky. I don't know What the laws are on text messages being taken as proof in criminal cases, but I know they're helpful in restraining order cases, in the district court, rather than superior.
There are consent apps and shit. Also not a bad idea.
Varies depending on where you are.
US, For example, some states allow it, some do not.
False: exculpatory evidence is always admissible in criminal cases, even if illegally obtained. This is 1L shit, people, stop spreading false information.
Illegally obtained evidence is not usable by the government or in civil proceedings (where you are a plaintiff) - but is totally OK for exculpatory purposes.
Like I said, it would probably be helpful in preventing the case being prosecuted or going to trial in the first place.
Depends on the state actually.
Also, even in two party states you can record in your own home. Reasonable expectation of privacy and all that.
Note: Always consult a lawyer and look into local laws to be sure.
Just noticed, I think you have that backwards. When you have a reasonable expectation of privacy, that's when it's potentially illegal to record someone without their consent or knowledge. When you're in public, then you have no expectation of privacy (no reason to believe you might not be recorded).
No no, what I meant was that if you’re own home and recording, the other party doesn’t have a reasonable expectation of privacy because an individual has the right to surveil their own home.
But again: check with a lawyer if you want to be sure
I'm not sure about that. This is hardly sturdy evidence and I'm by no means an expert on this, but on Better Call Saul, his older brother recorded his admission of a crime (in his own home), and they all knew it couldn't be used in criminal court. They ended up trying to use it for the New Mexico Bar Association, because their standard of proof was lower.
The issue isn't just privacy, I believe it's also proving who it is on the recording.
But of course, consult a lawyer lol.
it wasn't admitted not because he recorded it but because self admission to crime isn't proof that person did the crime without any hard evidence
".....on Better Call Saul, his older brother recorded his admission of a crime (in his own home)….." WHAAAAAAAAT?! You're using a friggen TELEVISION SHOW as an example of how the law works?!! HO-CHEE-MAMA!!
Seriously dude, don't give yourself an aneurysm. And learn to read, rather than cherrypicking quotes that support your outrage.
Yes, and I prefaced it with a disclaimer that it wasn't exactly trustworthy. However, it's a show about fucking lawyers. Seems like that show does a pretty good job of being accurate to the law. My main concern would be that it's set back when flipphones were all the rage, so laws could definitely have changed since then.
Do you need proof they consented to being recorded? What would happen if somebody lied about whether the other party consented to being recorded and it was his-word-against-hers?
Way out of my depth on that one lol. I have no idea how you'd handle that. But the easiest way would be to record them consenting to being recorded.
But you realize that to convict a man of rape, the jury has come to a unanomous conclusion that the girl was raped beyond ANY doubt. I was the on the jury for a rape case. It's next to impossible to convict someone of rape without heavy evidence.
Well that's good. I don't know much about what happens during an actual trial.
idk about your state but mine is single party consent.
So as long as I tell myself that I am recording, a single party has consent.
This can get tricky once there are 4+ parties involves, but for all intents and purposes single party states are great
Why is rape different from other violent crimes against the person? What can be said about victims of rape that isn't also true of victims of armed robbery (mugging)? Don't they also get PTSD? Aren't they also frightened of their attacker?
Personally, I only have experience being molested by my dad, and a couple times that boyfriends had sex with me when I was very obviously not wanting to, but felt too worthless to tell them to stop. Those feelings are because of what my dad did. I know that when a child is sexually abused, it's much worse than for an adult, due to their very tender and still developing brain and psyche. Everything gets absolutely fucked up, irreparably in many ways.
As for traditional violent rape, I found someone else's description that might help explain it.
Imagine your favourite dessert. You know, the one you almost always end up ordering at a restaurant even though you’ve had it heaps of times before. That one dessert of which you always want second or even third servings. The one you ask friends and family to make for your birthday.
Really imagine it. The taste of it. The feel of it on your lips and tongue and sliding down your throat. The lingering aftertaste. How much you’ll enjoy it the next time you have a chance to eat some.
Imagine the surroundings. Are you alone, savouring it all to yourself? Are you with friends, all enjoying sharing this delectable dessert? Are you in a lovely cafe or restaurant, enjoying the ambience and the service, and the accompanying coffee or liqueur?
Imagine how many servings you are going to have this time. Will you eat it fast or slow? Will you eat it all, or take some home with you for later?
NOW imagine someone forcing you to eat your favourite dessert.
It’s not a joke. You can’t get away. They are too strong for you, and they are kneeling across your chest and pinning your arms. Maybe they have threatened you with a weapon to get you to this place, or perhaps tricked you with an offer of your favourite dessert and then overpowered you once they got you alone.
Imagine that they are not just offering you your favourite dessert in any way that you can control how you bite it, chew it and swallow it. This person is shoving your favourite dessert down your throat. With a stick.
Imagine that your favourite dessert down is being shoved down your throat so hard and fast that you are choking on it, and you can’t take in quite enough air in between mouthfuls. You are going dizzy from lack of oxygen, yet you’re afraid to gulp air too deeply in case dessert gets into your lungs.
Imagine how the stick is bruising, scraping and lacerating your throat as more and more of your favourite dessert is being shoved down your throat.
Imagine how the taste of blood from the lacerations in your throat is mingling with the taste of your favourite dessert.
Imagine how your teeth are being chipped and broken by the stick, and how they are mingling with the dessert so that you are swallowing them as well.
Imagine how your lips are being split and bruised by the stick as the dessert continues to get shoved in your mouth.
Imagine how you are squirming to try and avoid the next mouthful, how you are crying, how great streams of snot are streaming down your cheeks, how your eyes are begging for the person to stop but the person just won’t stop.
Worse: imagine that you are so frightened that the person will kill you that you just lie there, unresisting, unmoving, trying hard not to really be there in your body because then the stick shoving dessert down your throat doesn’t hurt quite so badly.
Imagine how in either of the above – squirming fear or immobile shock – you are totally aware that your lack of power to stop the person, and your terror and pain, is what they want from you most. The dessert is irrelevant except for being a way to hurt you and degrade you through your powerlessness.
Imagine that you survive the forced-feeding, and that as your attacker leaves you, either in the place of attack or having dropped you off somewhere to make your own way home, that they mock you by talking about how wonderful your favourite dessert tasted, and how lucky you were that they gave you more of it than you’d ever had before.
And now for the kicker:
Imagine that when you tell people what happened, and how bad it was, and how scared you were and how hurt your body is, they look at you blankly, and say: “But what’s the problem? Everybody knows that you really, really like that dessert!”
Think about how long it might take for you, or whether you would ever want, to eat your favourite dessert again, because every time you saw it, let alone smelt it or tasted it, you would remember that attack by the force-feeder.
Then stop repeating or believing bullshit about how rape is really just rougher than usual sex, things just “get a bit out of hand” and no real harm done.
so what your saying is, your favourit dessert is dick?
I didn't write that. I wrote about my dad molesting me. Personally, I don't think dessert is a very good analogy. I don't think a lot of you members here are even capable of the level of empathy required to understand what rape is like for a woman. Dessert doesn't even come close.
As I already have told you,a big part of TRP is consisted of ex-niceguys,MGTOWs,men that aint getting any pussy at all. TRP is generally a men's rights movement and just like feminists forget that men are also human beings with feelings,hopes,dreams,loved ones so do TRPers some times for women. Some women won't have a problem to get innocent men in jail for 'rape' and 'assault' and some men won't have a problem that many true rape victims won't get any justice if that would decrease their chances of being labelled falsely as a rapist. There is no middle ground for many people both in feminism and in the manosphere
Sorry, I couldn't get through it. Too cringe.
I got the gist of it though. Why is rape the only crime where the accused is ousted and assumed guilty first? How is it different than other violent crimes?
Cuz feels. You wrote a novel about your damn feels. No.... just no. What rape victims go through is horrendous but that doesn't justify how the accused is socially crucified before due process. Innocent until proven guilty, "except for rape cuz it ruined my favorite dessert." GTFO. The world doesn't revolve around you, snowflake.
I didnt write that. And it's not a perfect analogy. In order for you to understand what rape is like for a woman, you'd have to make a real effort to understand what it's like to be a woman, sexually. One thing that makes rape especially worse is society's history of making "slutty" women out to be dirty in some way. This causes a lot more psychological problems in victims.
However, I think what you're asking is not what makes rape so much worse for the victim, but why people feel the need to be so much shittier to the accused.
I think that it's mostly due to our current political and sociological climate in western society, which is pretty heavily in favor of women, at least in blue states. It's not right that people accused of rape are vilified without due process. However, when the justice system or just the government fails us, we rely on public outcry. The best example that comes to mind is the Stanford rapist. He was found guilty, but only sentenced to like 30 days probation (if I remember correctly). That was an outrage. And he probably got away with that slap on the wrist because his dad is rich. Classism is the true prejudice in our society, not race or gender.
I have a feeling you might also be referring to all the sexual assault allegations crawling out of the woodworks, especially for public figures. I think that's been a good thing, but also taken too far. It's fucking awesome that rich, old, white (or black, in the case of Bill Cosby) assholes are no longer allowed to do whatever the fuck they want. It's great that these women feel safe enough, that they will be taken seriously enough to come forward with this stuff. However, like you said, we must have due process. It's too easy for someone to ruin a man's life with a false accusation, and by that I mean ruin their career and reputation.
On the other hand, how can we keep these assholes in check without taking the women seriously? There are tons of instances where there's no possibility of proof. There's no way those men are going to jail for most of this stuff. So, in order to deter them from thinking they're invincible, we must have the consequence of possibly losing their career and reputation.
Here's some food for thought: why would you guys stand up for men like that? You don't need to grope women, or drug them, or say nasty shit, or rape them. Your whole philosophy is about attracting women to you in a way that they would beg you to fuck them, whenever and however you please. People like that make you look bad.
We are in a shitty situation, politically and culturally. If we go back to how things were, rapists and the like become near invincible again, and women return to keeping silent about it even more than they do now. But if we stay how we are now, it's too easy to make false accusations. I don't know what the solution is, but I think what we have now is still marginally better than how it was.
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Why? Unless youre referring to the part about my dad, I didn't write that, I borrowed it from somewhere else on Reddit, and that person borrowed it from a website. And it's a mediocre analogy anyway. Favorite dessert doesn't even come close to describing what's being taken away during rape.
Personally, thanks to my dad, I don't hold much value in my sexuality. It's not really something precious to me anymore. Maybe if I were violently raped, I would recover more easily because of that (lucky me).
Also, why would the members here care about that? They're not rapists, and they don't defend rapists, generally. Rapists make them look bad.
Lmao just don't be messing with them unstable ones...don't ignore the signs.
I'm a contrarian in that i hope this happens 10x as often and let me tell you why. The cops who are typically men will grow tired of the bullshit. "oh, another one of these eh". sensible women who dont do this kind of thing will not jump to a guilty conclusion like what's happening in the poundmetoo movement.
I hope this happens many more often and 95%of men get these accusations. i think it will help move the world wake up to the ridiculousness of all this.
Doubt it, real rape victims take time to tell the authority, so it'll be hard to tell, who's lying and who's not. It'll be unjust, if they just dismiss many accusations, rape is a difficult matter. If they start dismissing the accusations I'm sure there will be protest and all that, and I can't blame them either, but either way it sucks for both sides.
I'm in the same boat with you, so long as I don't need to be collateral damage myself while this process/change picks up steam!
It's ridiculous that it has gotten to this point. Not insulting this post because it's a great one, but it's just crazy that before and after every sexual encounter you have, your guard really has to be up this much.
I never went to this extent. Usually just a "I had a great time" text is fine. I never bothered with a voice recorder.
Yeah Imma start using that, and the world sucks man.
I had a family member in law enforcement that went out with a girl that was a lesbian, maybe bi, they ended up hooking up, the girl's gf found out, lesbian friend claims she was drunk and dont remember anything, the gf says well then he raped you. In order to save face with her gf, the girl claims she was raped. My family member gets investigated on the allegations and thinking hes a cop and knowing it wasnt rape, he cooperates with investigators. It wasnt until he got indicted by a grand jury and was facing felony rape charges did he get an attorney. Attorney and a private investigator get the girl's deposition where she claims being completely blacked out from the time they left the bar til she woke up the next day. Attorney and PI go get CCTV footage from the gas station they stopped at before going back to her place and shes walking completely fine, grab a a drink and cigarettes and pays with cash. That footage and all the holes in the plaintiffs story caused enough doubt to have the jury acquit my family member on all charges. Of course nothing happened to her for lying but it certainly ruined his career in law enforcement.
All these could have been avoided if he remained silent in the first place. Not very smart to go mouthing off, especially being a cop himself
This happens more often than not. Never ever under any circumstances talk to the police they don't work for you. Although the whole revenge porn movement has tried to make recording sex illegal do it anyway just to cover your ass. First she willing lets you bang her brains out next day you raped her. False rape accusations happen more often than the real ones just from personal experience.
If you use Snapchat, I would also get a screen recorder that is undetectable. That way, you can scroll through your messages on Snapchat and save them. And yes, I use a voice recorder on every first couple of dates with a new woman if I can help it. I'm not paranoid, cause I'd rather have a couple megabytes filled up that I could delete later, rather than having a career damaging thousand dollar lawsuit on my hands.
This must just be an American thing. There is no way I will do this, or need to. I have never heard of anyone I know ever been accused of rape.
This is the land of the free, where looking at a girl for more than 5 seconds is considered sexual harassment
I work in a room alone with a woman in her 20s. How to save my ass incase (prevention) something that might happen later?
I swear we're gonna have to start printing out waivers for these girls to sign before we fuck
I have friends that use their phone to video the girl before sex, giving consent to what's going to happen. If she says she doesn't want to do the video, then they won't have any sex with that girl. It's non negotiable. Just make a file for each sexual encounter either by the girl's name or by the date, on your phone and make sure you also upload it to the cloud as well. When you get the chance, copy the video to your computer or an external hard drive, just in case. You can never be too careful.
Guys, you carry a recording device with you at all times. It's insanity in this day & age to not take advantage of it to cover your ass just in case. Plus, just the girl knowing there is the existence of such a video, it will deter them from making a false claim later.
Thanks for sharing your experience friend.
How do you set up the recording and what would be the ideal conversation to be recorded?
Why the fuck do we live in a world where I even have to take advice like this seriously. Thinking about performing seppuku.
How do you use the voice recorder? Like do you have it turned on where she says she wants sex? Also isn't it illegal to record conversations?
Before recording, check your jurisdiction to make sure its legal.
In many places this will get you slapped with a federal wiretapping charge.
I have cams all over my house, including the bedroom. None are hidden and are in full view so I am not hiding them. I installed them for a different use but this is another reason I keep them up.
Or just don’t have sex with girls that would be the type to do this.
Oh yeah, I can see into the future, to know what actions they take.
Or just never say anything to the police, no matter what they threaten, do or say.
I was always lucky and never got legally in trouble because of a woman. There was one time when a morning chick was grinding my from the top and we were making out. The next day she told her friends that I tried to force myself on her. Another Mormon girl that I fucked went back to being a good Mormon girl. I asked her later if she confessed to her bishop and she said that we never had sex lol Had sex with a Jewish girl once and she stopped talking to me because she had sinned and had sex lol I have had experiences with many other religious girls and they are all fucking crazy. I vouche for OP.
I'm into the voice recorder.
Just follow some best practices: never delete texts, don't just hard-next them after fucking them, take a selfie after meeting them "for a momento," and you'll be in a way better position than most clueless guys. Don't have to go crazy with voice recorders and what not.
NEVER talk to a detective. Not even to give them the "unless I have my lawyer" line. Just ignore if they knock on your door. Ignore, ignore, and ignore. Ignore calls. Hang up. Delete voicemails. Don't even say a goddamned thing to the cop.
I hooked up with this black girl who then slung a rape accusation. Detective hunted me down, I didn't give him the time of the day at all. Hired an attorney, detective requested that I show up for a line-up to be recognized by her. I ignored.
Still nothing until today
That detective was too busy chasing after the next dude that was accused with no evidence
Why even bother sexing in the first place
It's the sad truth. It's hard to deny the biological programming to have sex. But in this climate things are totally fucked. It's not worth getting #metoo'd over a consensual encounter. MGTOW is the way.
Just as a reminder, in some states like Massachusetts it’s illegal to record other’s voices without their consent, so you might be getting into more trouble by doing so. It would be wise to check your state laws first
More trouble than a rape conviction? I don't think they take privacy THAT seriously
I think it's best to get to know someone before you are intimate with them. Don't do this one night stand stuff because how do you know who you are with? They could be a pyscho. You might find them attractive but what kind of person are they? That should be important to you. With regards to tape recordings, that's creepy. I've read that people even secretly video tape an encounter! That's horrible. If you know the person, have a relationship with them and know the type of person they are with, you you don't need to have hidden tape recorders and the like. Most people would not want to ever go to court to even make a true allegation, let alone a false one. It's a terrible experience. When I was 16, I took my mother's boyfriend to court for physically assaulting me. He threw me up a flight of stairs, grabbed my neck and pinned me to a wall, and was about to punch me in the face. If my sister hadn't walked to the top of the stairs to see what was going on, he would have hit me. I was so upset that I said to him, "Go on, hit me". That also seemed to confuse him and he didn't. I immediately called the police. He was also being aggressive to my little sister (who was only ten years old), chasing her around the table. The man had problems. So I pressed charges. It was horrible going to court, being on the witness stand. His lawyer said I egged him on. I didn't want to ruin him. I wanted him to get help. He got a warning from the judge and he never went near any of us again and I forgave him. But he was losing it before he got the help. But that experience I had was so terrible I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Nobody in their right mind would want to go through that if they didn't have to do it. If it wasn't for my little sister, I wouldn't have either. Point is, get to know the person. Don't tape them without their permission. Just my opinions.
Your opinion is cute. It's also, frankly, stupid as fuck.
You are advocating that one "get to know someone" before having sex with them. That's fine and dandy if you could ACTUALLY tell if someone was going to destroy your life for having consensual sex and then regretting it later. How can you be absolutely fucking certain that some chick you "got to know" isn't going to accuse you of sexual assault?
The answer? YOU DON'T KNOW.
Making false statements is a crime. These women that do this are literally commiting crimes, and the only victims are men. Men lose their jobs, their livelihoods, their reputations, everything based on bullshit.
So what do you do? You cover your ass and record your encounters. You are a man, you are literally 2x likely to be convicted just because you are male. This is even worse because the "victim" is female, so you get double-dunked on the gender inequality of the court system.
Advocating that men shouldn't protect themselves. Get the fuck out of here.
Yikes. I didn't say don't protect yourself. But getting to know someone is good, solid advice I think. Also, have e-mail and text to show that you are in a relationship. I think it is pretty creepy if you secretly record a romantic encounter. What is this world coming to? A decent person would never think to falsely accuse someone, only a creep. If you got to know someone, you'd be able to determine if this person is unhinged. Just my two cents.
How many "decent" women have destroyed their marriages to good, strong, men? How many of these women were caught and falsely accused the other man of sexual assault in order to preserve her reputation? How many unmarried women have done it in order to not look like trash for fucking a guy in a bathroom stall? How many times does it have to happen before you realize that the threat is real? It could be YEARS down the road. YEARS. Not a week, not a month, years. Open your eyes.
You can't live in fear. You can't live your life being paranoid or what sort of life will you lead? Everyone has been falsely accused of something and there is no way of guarding against it 100%. Your life does not have to be destroyed. You stand tall, hold firm, know your truth, and the truth will come out. But to live with a secret tape recorder is to live a life of fear. Sometimes someone will accuse you and you've never even met them. Look at Keanu Reeves. How do you defend yourself from that? Live a good life, have good friends who support you, and don't put yourself in dangerous situations. Get to know the people in your life, take your time. If you live your life being afraid of being accused that means that women who falsely accused, these stories, have power over you, so much power that you can't trust or enjoy and instead must live always looking over your shoulder. Take off the collar of paranoia. If someone slanders you, you'll handle it and it won't destroy you. Believe it and be the best you and don't live with a pocket recorder. Just my opinions.
I concur, you can't live in fear. However, you can't let the irrationality of thinking there's nothing to be afraid of prevent prudent protective measures.
If you have proof all sex you have is consensual, you don’t have to live in fear. That’s the point
I dare to say that exterior religion is just a "booster" of the inner self. Bad people become worst, good people become better, mediocre people become even more mediocre.
What kinda spergery is this? Don't date crazy, problem solved.
This is convenient thinking only. Have you read anything involving TRP? Women make choices based upon how they feel about something and then rationalize it until they believe it.
You don't know crazy until it's too late sometimes. This is something you can do to keep you safe 100% of the time. Why wouldn't you do it?