Analysis of accounting records yields shock finding: the U.S. women's national team soccer players were actually paid more money by USSF than the men over the past 8 years. Equal pay?

SirYouAreIncorrect · 2019-07-30T09:56:15+00:00

Reminds me of the all the feminist demanded equal pay at Google, so Google did a Pay Study and had to give a bunch of men raises because they were being paid less than the women bitching about unequal pay.

Quintrell · 2019-07-30T04:06:14+00:00

Source: https://www.espn.com/soccer/united-states/story/3908663/ussf-says-uswnt-has-made-more-than-the-men

helloimderek · 2019-07-30T08:12:58+00:00

Any of you all hear Megan's solution to "equal pay" on Rachel Maddow? - Buy tickets to games - Buy jerseys - Tuning in on TV - Encourage your friends to join - Etc.

So... Capitalism, like everything else?

Fact is gender gap BS is exactly that BS.

Rab42230 · 2019-07-30T11:15:49+00:00

I’m not sure if anyone has read the fact sheets surround the statements. (They are readily available on Twitter). In addition to everything else, women are provided insurance, childcare, maternity leave, 401k and several other benefits that the men aren’t.

TheHelpfulDad · 2019-07-30T05:07:13+00:00

Not surprised. She’s the epitome of the naive living in the bubble of US plenty and safety. Inventing problems

Lupinfujiko · 2019-07-30T08:34:33+00:00

"Here is what they cannot deny: For every game a man plays on the MNT, he makes a higher base salary payment than a woman on the WNT. For every comparable win or tie, his bonus is higher. That is the very definition of gender discrimination.

No. That is the very definition of economics.

The men generate more wealth. That is why they earn more money.

Which part of this is confusing?

Mode1961 · 2019-07-30T03:29:49+00:00

I still like the meme about this

"I kick a ball thru into a net the size of a small garage and complain I am not paid enough and now I am a national hero"

EightBitLoxs · 2019-07-30T10:35:33+00:00

I'm 100% sure that the whole "equal pay" and "pink tax" bs started out by people who didn't care about quality, they just wanted to be a victim.

SharedRegime · 2019-07-30T03:46:01+00:00

Arent they just paid more percentage wise but because womens soccer brings in a fraction of mens soccer they dont get paid the same number? Women are paid like 13% of the revenue and men are only paid like 9% or something like that but mens soccer bring sin a metric crap ton more money. I could be wrong about this but i remember when this was becoming a thing.

link i found about men and womens soccer pay differences.

FastFourierTerraform · 2019-07-30T06:47:05+00:00

The USSF has repeatedly admitted that it does not pay the women equally and that it does not believe the women even deserve to be paid equally. This is why they use words like 'fair' and 'equitable,' not 'equal,' in describing pay.

Of course. "Equality" was always the gold standard. That is, until equal wasn't good enough. The new hotness is "equity," where people get treated differently to account for circumstances. But when those circumstances of "equity" go against feminist doctrine, then it's right back to "equality."

Farxiga · 2019-07-30T08:38:56+00:00

If they want to get paid the same as the men they should just join the men's team.

epalsliphead · 2019-07-30T03:38:18+00:00

Can't trust people with coloured hair and spouting nonsense online these days. Nothing says attention whore like going to media outlets to talk about "equal pay" while the Western civilization collapses.

anonimityorigin · 2019-07-30T09:43:24+00:00

3v3 scorpion tournament to see who gets maid more from here on out. 3 best men vs 3 best women.

BlightBorn · 2019-07-30T11:12:09+00:00

All critics don't offer facts or proof. Also, the article doesnt really clarify that the PLAYERS negotiated their own collected bargaining agreements.

slodojo · 2019-07-30T16:05:43+00:00

Here’s a link to the letter, if you want to read about all of the other things US Soccer has done for women’s soccer that they haven’t done for men.

Just like the pay gap in general, when you actually look at it more closely, you discover that not only does it not exist, but there are actually tons of things being done to advance women that men don’t get.

denyjunctionfunction · 2019-07-30T04:03:53+00:00

Crazy thought. Instead of posting a picture of a player how about you, and I know this is crazy but hear me out, post a link to any kind of source?

helloimderek · 2019-07-30T08:19:23+00:00

A lot of comments talking about this team better than that team, etc. Doesn't matter. You entertain and generate money then you get paid more. Doesn't matter how good you are.

Take movies for example. The best movies aren't always the blockbuster ones; in fact, most of the time pretty bad movies are #1 at the box office. But they entertain and that's what sells.

Lion_amongst_gods · 2019-07-30T07:08:01+00:00

I deserve this!

God_Dammit_Kevin · 2019-07-30T13:30:58+00:00

Im pretty sure I read somewhere that the women's team are paid a yearly salary, have health care and a retirement plan. While the men get paid strictly on performance.

budgie02 · 2019-07-30T13:12:57+00:00

I’m betting they’re going argue they deserve more money because they have more skill, using their recent win as a source.

da_trealest · 2019-07-30T14:11:53+00:00

Well isn’t that because they’ve done so much better than the men’s team in the past?

TomachyW · 2019-07-30T15:37:33+00:00

While I don't think this is ok, I think the context of the women's team being better in competitions than the men's team is a big factor in this

GerinX · 2019-07-30T16:45:30+00:00

See that person in the photo? I bet she couldn’t care less that men were paid less than them over the past eight years.

I’m certain she doesn’t care about equal pay for soccer players.

taa20002 · 2019-07-30T16:49:11+00:00

From what I remember, the men make more money overall. However, you have to keep in mind how the players make money. By TV viewership, ticket sales, how far they get, etc. What was found was the women make a higher percentage of these sales then the men. So in theory, if the women and the men had the same amont of views, same ticket sales, got exactly as far, etc. The women would then have more money. But, more people watch the men's soccer so the men have more money currently.

bobbyb503 · 2019-07-30T07:15:18+00:00

I can't wait for Rapinoe's 15 minutes to wrap up. Why aren't lesbians hot like in porn?

Gasmask_Boy · 2019-07-30T10:05:49+00:00

Squidward has seen better days

tableender · 2019-07-30T10:26:20+00:00

From what I read men got 7% of the money they created and women got 11% of the money they created. The problem for the women is that they created $70 million while the men created $4 billion. Unless we are going to even further infantalize women than we already do by saying men should give some of their earnings to them, women and the women's game need to work harder at getting bums on seats

Of course the other thing they can do to be taken seriously is stop losing to 15 year old school boy sides.

2019-07-30T10:07:06+00:00

This arrogant milo yianapolous looking mother fucker.

godisgood_haha · 2019-07-30T10:54:55+00:00

She looks like such an arrogant bitch.

GEOTUSofA · 2019-07-30T11:28:20+00:00

Why is the picture of a 14 year old boy?

KoopaKlaw · 2019-07-30T13:27:59+00:00

I can't hold a straight face looking at that, sorry.

rustyblackhart · 2019-07-30T14:14:36+00:00

I don’t really feel like professional athletes are a good barometer for this kind of issue.

FightClubHamster69 · 2019-07-30T14:44:05+00:00

Can’t trust anything the news orgs say or report on these days

Electroverted · 2019-07-30T17:51:32+00:00

At leASt WE staRTeD a CoNVerSAtioN!

Nergaal · 2019-07-30T18:40:56+00:00

"The numbers the USSF uses are utterly false, which, among other things, inappropriately include the NWSL salaries of the players to inflate the women's players' compensation. Any apples-to-apples comparison shows that the men earn far more than the women."

So men make no guaranteed salaries, so if they don't pay they get zero. But women's collective bargain ensured everyone a minimum wage, so now the highest performers complain they make less than the highest performer males? I thought feminism is about taking care of everybody, including the "unemployed" dude that is part of the men's team and gets zero play, zero payments.

Jimmer2233 · 2019-07-30T19:13:30+00:00

The women might have been paid more because the men havnt won shit in the last decade. So it's rather easy to make more then the men

2019-07-30T19:32:27+00:00

Men need to start getting vocal with their demands!

2019-07-30T19:50:40+00:00

It’s because the US men’s team is a pile of hot dumpster doo doo.

DoG_TaGs13 · 2019-07-30T20:02:40+00:00

Have seen they play? Haha.

wwstewart · 2019-07-30T21:41:35+00:00

I'm gonna be really, REALLY pissed if the men's team doesn't riot for equality.

randoml97 · 2019-07-30T23:38:16+00:00

I mean... that's good, they should be (four world cups vs. How many again?)... how was it not obvious though? Like, that shouldn't be a shock finding after this has already started

OhWowOhMyGosh · 2019-07-31T00:24:31+00:00

“Shock finding”? I’m not shocked for one minute.

dilberryhoundog · 2019-07-30T14:40:02+00:00

There is no "mens" sport's teams. All men compete in OPEN sports competitions. There is the world cup (for the best players in the world) and then the "womans" world cup (for the best players in the world with a vagina). Rapinoe could double her pay if she was good enough by playing in both the WWC and the WC.

Originally all sports competitions where open. When women complained loud enough they split off a RESTRICTED division in most sports. There a few truly open sports left like motor racing, horse racing and sailing, women collect the same wages and prize money in these sports.

What this all leads to is that open sports competitions are the highest division. If you segregate a sub division and then apply restrictions to the competitors in those divisons they should not have any right to claim as much pay as the open competition.

Why is megan only campaining for the women to get equal pay as the opens, what about other restricted divisions like youth and veterans?

NecroHexr · 2019-07-30T08:09:25+00:00

Incoming deafening silence; nobody is going to pick this up

westondeboer · 2019-07-30T12:06:32+00:00

FIFA’s total prize money for the 2018 men’s World Cup was $400 million. For the 2019 Women’s World Cup, it was $30 million.

Mister_Kurtz · 2019-07-30T12:37:22+00:00

Is there a story?

MRA-Sid · 2019-07-30T12:51:32+00:00

Women are born liars. They only lie lie and lie all the time.

soulless_ape · 2019-07-30T12:40:50+00:00

Thus whole equal pay for equal work is fair but if the men's team brings in more revenue from sponsors then the math is sound. However what about the women's team bringing 4 world cups? That should merit something as well, maybe have a bonus prize fund or something.

Bread_boy232 · 2019-07-30T07:25:59+00:00

Soccer players are paid by audience turn out. Women get 13% men get 8% but because far more people show up to the men's games they get paid more.

Interesting stuff, it might be best if women moved to a different sport, one like hockey which dominated by women.

tothecatmobile · 2019-07-30T11:05:42+00:00

Among the conclusions, which U.S. Soccer said were verified by an independent accounting firm, are that women's players were paid $34.1 million by the federation from 2010 to 2018 in salaries and bonuses (2018 the most recent fiscal year for which information was available). That also includes the National Women's Soccer League salaries paid by U.S. Soccer for national team-contracted players. Members of the men's national team were paid $26.4 million by the federation over the same period, the analysis concluded.

So the womens national team, and the entire womens league combined was paid more than the mens national team.

What about if you just compare national team to national team?

Kravego · 2019-07-30T13:50:37+00:00

It's crazy that if any corporation were to come out and say "We're doing the right thing, totally trust us", everyone would shit down their throats but since it's the USSF talking about the WNT, everyone just accepts it as gospel? Fucking ridiculous.

They do not make an apples to apples comparison in their "fact sheet", including adding NWSL salaries to the NWT salary in calculating money paid.

SporkTornado · 2019-07-30T06:02:24+00:00

US Women's result for last 3 world cups

2019 - US Women's team won

2015 - US Women's team won

2011 - Japan won, US Women's team came in second

US Men's team for the last 3 world cups

2018 - France won, America failed to qualify, https://time.com/5258984/is-the-us-in-the-2018-world-cup/

2014 - Germany Won, America eliminated in round 16

2010 - Spain won, America eliminated in round 16

It's no wonder the women's team makes more then the men's teams.

FastFourierTerraform · 2019-07-30T05:59:45+00:00

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YT1m0N · 2019-07-30T12:39:10+00:00

They're better, they make more money. Imo it's unnecessary to change that, it's sports!

braxivamov · 2019-07-30T12:34:25+00:00

In Every sports they are paid less, and now that they win the worldcup, people start precise calculus brcause women ?

LAM_humor1156 · 2019-07-30T17:25:29+00:00

It is sports. Base pay should be equal. What's split for tournament winnings, etc. is going to vary and that is okay.

What's disconcerting here is the number of people that are commenting how "womens' sports" are simply not up to par to mens.

The fact is they are wildly different playing fields.

That doesn't mean the women lack talent.

Some of the stuff I read here is an absolute joke.

Just bigoted comments from guys that think women being different = women being lesser.

Nobody153 · 2019-07-30T07:58:26+00:00

Well to be fair they did win and the American men’s team is not very good

bouchandre · 2019-07-30T12:49:08+00:00

Which I’m okay with, and that’s the whole point.

carbongreen · 2019-07-30T13:06:33+00:00

This is such a stupid argument. Please stop giving it attention.

inco133 · 2019-07-30T06:33:01+00:00

i’m gonna be honest here.

if we say that WNBA should get paid less because they get less exposure, it’s also completely fair that the men’s US soccer team should get paid less because of how overshadowed they are by the women’s team this year.

that’s equality, right?

of course, chances are i’m not thinking hard enough or at overlooking some stuff but that’s just my opinion

cargdad · 2019-07-30T07:23:11+00:00

There is zero argument that the USSF can make about pay without addressing the role of Sports United Marketing and the MLS and its relationship to marketing and funding. Why exactly is the women’s side cutting in MLS? And, if you don’t think the USSF would happily discriminate against women and girls please explain the Development Academy.

spaarlamp · 2019-07-30T07:15:02+00:00

It makes sense they got paid more because they are better than the us men's team. But they are allowed to say they deserve more money. The best female footballer gets less than the best male footballer. But that's the thing female football is seen as an inferior sport to the men's game in Europe. If less people watch it investors won't invest the money.

Big_Shot12 · 2021-12-23T16:46:59+00:00

Yeah but the thing is that the women’s team is better than the men’s team so it is appropriate for them to be paid more

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