Marilyn Manson to #MeToo movement: ‘Say it to police, not to the press’

theWet_Bandits · 2017-12-25T00:39:43+00:00

He can see the forest for the trees.

boringcarpets · 2017-12-25T00:01:16+00:00

Imagine that, reporting crimes to the police in order for them to be investigated and criminals held to account. Crazy. I wonder if it will catch on?

ThrowawayGhostGuy1 · 2017-12-25T04:25:19+00:00

I wonder how many times rock stars like him have been groped repeatedly by female fans and the men just had to smile and take it?

wiseprogressivethink · 2017-12-25T04:33:27+00:00

he's not wrong

JackFisherBooks · 2017-12-25T14:00:44+00:00

That almost makes TOO much sense. The fact it came from Marilyn Mason makes that all the more astounding.

SuperbCrawdad2 · 2017-12-25T05:20:12+00:00

My friend was raped, I urged her to report it and even offered to go down to the station with her to offer support. She wouldn't do it, wouldn't even tell me who he was, to this day the crime goes unprosecuted. I asked her why she wouldn't report him, I asked why she wouldn't use a rape kit, I asked her why she is willing to tell me that she was raped but unwilling to seek justice for herself. She couldn't give me an answer to that either. I just don't understand why victims won't go to the police when the crime is committed given that they're able, that's how crimes get prosecuted. You don't get robbed and then tell your friends privately that it happened, but refuse to go to the police, I just don't see why victims wouldn't want to help themselves.

rageth · 2017-12-25T16:11:07+00:00

Bet that went down well with the feminists 👀

Crusader_1096 · 2017-12-25T19:44:53+00:00

The vast majority of #MeToo complaints are more akin to sexual harassment than sexual assault. Going to the police and saying "this guy that I work with started masturbating in front of me and I didn't like it but I stayed and watched because I thought it would be good for my career" isn't going to be taken seriously. Sexual assault should always be reported to the police ASAP.

Mens-Advocate · 2017-12-25T21:32:33+00:00

#MeToo is the moral equivalent of an electronic lynch mob. Women who aren't brain-dead have also noticed the Dark Side of #MeToo:

Ella Whelan: http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/why-time-is-wrong-to-celebrate-metoo/20623#.WkFpw2inE64

Why Time is Wrong to Celebrate MeToo

This is part of the problem with #MeToo – its vagueness. Allegations of rape and serious sexual violence are mixed up with people being groped, or even just leered at. Time’s ‘Silence Breakers’ mostly talk about ‘years of lewd comments, forced kisses, opportunistic gropes’. This gives credence to the argument that rape and sexual assault are on a spectrum of deviant sexual behaviour – and that kissing or bum-pinching is a step on the way to serious criminal activity. Rather than seeking to treat rape and assault more seriously, this only serves to confuse our understanding of the difference between malicious sexual abuse and inappropriate behaviour.

Lexa Frankl:

Why I’m Uneasy With the #MeToo Movement http://quillette.com/2017/11/09/im-uneasy-metoo-movement/

Daniella Greenbaum:
https://www.commentarymagazine.com/politics-ideas/the-danger-of-the-me-too-campaign/

I think innocence until proved guilty by evidence, in a court of law, is a pivotal principle of civilisation. Thus, I must assume all posters on #MeToo to be lying and enemies of civilisation, until proved otherwise in a court of law. Because, if they'd proof sufficient to hold up in a court of law, it's unlikely they'd be on #MeToo. And, in that unlikely case, they should be seeking redress from a court of law, not from #MeToo. Using the wrong forum is their own fault, not men's.

The reason for the affinity for the #MeToo forum is precisely that it hasn't any standards of evidence nor proof - exactly the equivalent of a KKK lynch mob.

Edit: Yet more women with the wisdom to recognise #MeToo lacking in morality, an electronic lynch mob:
http://www.atimes.com/naming-sexual-harassers-without-due-process-mob-justice/
http://at.theaustralian.com.au/link/55f0d7a4c395f1d9f449dbea1f2784e4
http://bombsdollars.com/index/index.php/2017/10/26/me-too-no-thanks/

TracyMorganFreeman · 2017-12-25T21:34:38+00:00

I'm always puzzled when feminists claim women are deterred from reporting their crime due to having to relive the trauma, but then when a whole bunch of women come out decades later suddenly they can endure the trauma, but only when reporting it to the media.

SolarMoth · 2017-12-25T17:01:21+00:00

You go to the press to publicly shame and raise pitchforks, you go to the cops when you actually think a crime was committed. If these accusers actually think they were attacked then they should go to the cops... and not several years later.

Onion_Guy · 2017-12-25T04:35:57+00:00

Literally the entire point of posting #MeToo was to say that, at some point in a certain girl or woman’s life, she was sexually assaulted by a man. (In that specific arrangement). It was to draw attention to how widespread it is for OTHER WOMEN, so that they don’t feel societally shamed out of, say, reporting it to police. It's a step in combating gendered societal pressure, which I distinctly recall is the purpose of this sub and the reason I subscribed. If you guys saw a post on TwoX or something that was like "Men are talking about how society doesnt accept feelings except anger, or show sympathy in the emotional development of young boys. They shouldnt be talking about this on reddit or posting flyers or raising awareness, they should just take it to a psychiatrist," you would rightfully be up in arms! this is the same thing.

Only this sub is still talking about “the metoo movement,” it was literally a Facebook and Twitter social media initiative to raise awareness, yet I've seen people here unironically calling it the start of a gender holocaust, which is all kinds of fucked up.

I'm not commenting on any sort of vigilante witch hunt (mostly because I think thats ridiculous and unrelated), I'm just pointing out that #MeToo, while i had my conceptual problems with it as a past SA victim and as it puts the onus to speak once again on victims, it genuinely is helpful for people to see "hey, other people have been through what you've been through. It's not your fault and you shouldn't feel so guilty that you bury it and don't seek justice."

TurboSchnauzer · 2017-12-25T16:15:00+00:00

Every time I hear this guy speak he impresses me, even if his music isn't quite my jam.

loloLogic · 2017-12-25T14:46:21+00:00

It sure seems like the brigade is here...

small_kitten · 2017-12-25T06:22:23+00:00

but then the allegations would have to be investigated and confirmed.

2017-12-25T06:54:28+00:00

wtf i love marilyn manson now

perplexedm · 2017-12-25T06:35:27+00:00

This thread turned into a feminist propaganda.

Blutarg · 2017-12-25T16:22:42+00:00

Yes, indeed.

2017-12-26T01:32:05+00:00

When you know criminal persecution won't happen because it requires proof, just go for character assassination instead. A lot easier and a lot cheaper.

ametalshard · 2017-12-25T12:59:12+00:00

the ignorance in these comments is pretty disgusting.

autotldr · 2017-12-25T11:44:21+00:00

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 73%. (I'm a bot)

Marilyn Manson has added his two cents to the ongoing discussion about sexual harassment, which has really rocked Hollywood in recent months.

Concerned over how the situation is being handled currently, Manson went on to offer advice on a better way of making allegations about sexual harassment.

"There's serious allegations, and they're always allegations of course, but when someone starts complaining about something that happened that seems a little bit not as serious as really sexual assault, I think that's insulting to people that have been sexually assaulted."

Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: allegations^#1 Manson^#2 That's^#3 really^#4 people^#5

ThePigmanAgain · 2017-12-25T02:54:25+00:00

What a fucking hypocrite! He fired Twiggy without any evidence, as i recall. He also has made accusations against at least one of his relatives, rather than go to the police! And, of course, like all of Harveywood, he knew what was going on and did nothing. And i don't for a minute believe that he didn't know about the alleged McGowan rape. Alec Baldwin had been hearing rumors about it for years, and he was never engaged to McGowan!

xowzow · 2017-12-25T06:25:19+00:00

So Terry Crews and Corey Feldman should shut the fuck up? See how stupid of an argument this is?

2017-12-25T16:44:57+00:00

What I appreciate about Marilyn Manson is that he's a very intelligent and aware guy. Keeps up to date on current issues.

His interview on Michael Moore's documentary "Bowling For Columbine" is an example of that.

chamaelleon · 2017-12-25T02:00:39+00:00

I get the sentiment here, and I think he means well, but I have to respectfully disagree. Cops are notoriously not doing their jobs lately, and there's a historic precedent of them being especially lax when it comes to the sexual assault and rape allegations of women. Complaints have been happening for a long time, but a solution has not being generally forthcoming in either the tactics of police or the activities of society, so I think it's necessary to get the public involved.

Along with that necessary move are bound to be a huge number of parasites only looking for attention and easy lawsuits. We need to be vigilant with each case, rooting out those who take advantage while advocating for those who have been taken advantage of.

2017-12-25T16:16:27+00:00

meanwhile at /r/rapekink...

Soldier4Christ82 · 2017-12-25T20:00:13+00:00

The press needs to hear it too, and anyone who would tell a victim to shut up, or to tell it to the police instead, deserve to be raped so that they know what it feels like, and subsequently so that they know how necessary it is for victims to speak up and be heard and how necessary it is for others to actually listen, especially in cases where the victims were children when it happened, because children are so often still told that they must do anything an adult tells them to.

Electroverted · 2017-12-25T16:56:31+00:00

Okay, so, browsing the /r/News thread, am I to assume that this sub has been infiltrated by Russia, much like /r/The_Donald?

2017-12-25T03:54:18+00:00

You look like shit when you dance.

(its a reference.)

secondclassguy · 2017-12-25T02:47:05+00:00

This is why i say any real equal rights talks or action will come from the left not the right. I'm not saying men have to move in the direction of a marilyn manson, just stop keeping themselves in roles that will never allow them to be free

WhatsUpBras · 2017-12-25T06:40:22+00:00

Keep your iPhone in your pocket, find out if you can record phone conversations in your state legally without the other party knows, antagonize him to make death threats thru texts

Then take that evidence to the media and tell them the police wont do anything.

A local news anchor who reports on the lighting of a Christmas tree would cream his pants with a story like that

ThePigmanAgain · 2017-12-25T09:08:55+00:00

LOL! Looks like i done pissed off the Manson-worshipers!

Marilyn Manson to #MeToo movement: ‘Say it to police, not to the press’

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OKAY, SO, BROWSING THE /R/NEWS THREAD, AM I TO ASSUME THAT THIS SUB HAS BEEN INFILTRATED BY RUSSIA, MUCH LIKE /R/THE_DONALD?

Title	Marilyn Manson to #MeToo movement: ‘Say it to police, not to the press’
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