They never say why they hate FDS...

FDS-GFY · 2021-05-08T14:59:41+00:00

If they can’t piss on a tree they want to cut it down.

Catharticoverdrive · 2021-05-08T16:14:24+00:00

Look, the internet is a haven for niche subjects like obscure memes, convoluted ideologies (think of TRP, incels or WAATG), and peculiar art / media / discussions. You look for anything online and it probably exists.

The key-word here is probably. A space for women doesnt exist. FDS is 2 years old and has 150,000 subscribers while subreddits for something as fucking mundane as some weird meme or reference would sit on hundreds of thousands of subscribers. A couple months ago we had a lot of feminist subreddits discussing male monstrosity, like PPF, GC, Truf+mcels. None of them were as vitriolic and hateful as the depiction of a group's torture for orgasmic purposes (porn, basically). They were all banned.

In the whole wide internet, where you could find the most obscure of things with gigantic communities, you'll discover that female spaces dedicated to discussing males being the fucking animals they are do not fucking exist. Anywhere. They simply dont exist, if they do they lack a large enough following, they get banned, or they get flooded with men. Men are 50% of the population, and are basically the cause of all suffering - male, female, child, animal, whatever - in the world.

I recognized these facts, and suddenly a lot of things made sense. I can finally understand why the world is so silent when holocausts, genocides, ethnic cleansing, climatic change and warfare occurs. The people oppressing you normalize your suffering so much that even you get desensitized. You are perpetually bombarded with a gaze that you are not even consciously aware exists, but you step one toe out of line you are caught and whipped. Men are the gaze, and feminism is toeing the line. Any feminist thought or discourse is shut down immediately, while misogyny goes unfiltered.

People, when they hear of the genocides, warfare, and climatic destruction that happens right now, would merely say "Oh, that's a problem," admit there's a problem, but would lack a revenue to change it. Empty words, empty acknowledgement, no action. I live in a third-world shithole where the Western opinion on men are promptly reversed - the women I've talked to know theyre violent, fucking beasts (you wouldnt be hurt here for acknowledging it like youll be in the West) but men are the "Oh, we have a problem" here. And I guess you get desensitized to suffering eventually, so you get desensitized to male monstrosity.

Watzoo · 2021-05-08T15:53:04+00:00

I’ve seen mostly the assumption that HVM means he’s rich and LVM means he’s poor.

When all it means is HVM is “wifey material” and LVM is ... not. And they’re using those terms in much more degrading ways.

Platipus6 · 2021-05-08T14:43:00+00:00

They take every generalisation personally. The narcissistic rage from perceived personal attacks is hilarious.

“Men do x” WELL I DONT

“I like men who…” I CANT DO THAT SO YOUR STANDARDS ARE OUTRAGEOUS

Calm down piss babies. We’re never going to meet.

Interesting-Bat3992 · 2021-05-08T16:00:30+00:00

They don't want FDS to spread. They feel threatened. They want to maintain the gender status quo entrenched in society. They do not want women to gain any of the privileges they have enjoyed for centuries. Nor do they want to view women as humans.

How else have they managed to create spaces (virtually and physically) where mysogyny, gaslighting, manipulation, rape and murder thrive if not for such an echo chamber?

Even feminist subs are hijacked by them to talk over women and not let them get privy of their depraved methods of dividing and subjugating women. Pickme ideology is vastly promoted by them to women, and anyone who goes against this ideology is abused to oblivion.

The structure of the society has been rigged in their favour, and they are willing to employ heinous and malicious tactics to keep a death grip.

ItsFreezen · 2021-05-08T15:01:13+00:00

"They genuinely just hate that women can talk uninterrupted without men butting in."

This

escapetodos · 2021-05-08T16:13:36+00:00

lol just read a post on offmychest that said something along the lines of “what’s their problem? I’m what they refer to as a LVM and they’d destroy me”.

Yes. That’s true. Problem?

creamtart_ · 2021-05-08T14:36:15+00:00

The idea of a woman having a life outside of men is beyond them. They think we power down when they’re gone. You know, because we’re just docile fuck robots who exist to serve our masters!

betsybasset · 2021-05-08T14:46:44+00:00

Yah the oft-repeated words are:

Toxic

Hateful

Violent

How?

And yet extremely violent sub (yes depicted) against women are thriving since 2010.

I scoffed reading their sub rules containing: "No child abuse"

"We don't promote violence"

Yet the content blatantly depict teen/ child-like faces and the decapitation of their bodies penetrated with weapons/sharp objects.

I wished each one of us can clone these gruesome subs then change the picture/content to depict males.

But while we can, we still won't do that because we know:

It feel so unnatural for us.
violence begets violence.

Yet these scrotes are screaming blue murder towards FDS. Not to these gory subs.

When I came across that sub, there's the undeniable truth:

Reddit really hates women 😑

Jinxhourglass · 2021-05-08T14:47:56+00:00

On the rare occasion they say why it’s completely inaccurate lol. We allegedly encourage women to “play games,” as if matching a man’s energy when they try to ghost you or removing yourself/blocking them when they disrespect your boundaries is “manipulation.” We also apparently scam men for dinner dates, as if we have something to gain from spending time getting ready and commuting to a restaurant only to still be disappointed by:

Their bad conversation skills because they only talk about themselves or how their ex was mean to them
Find out the guy is still living with said ex but they’re supposedly not together anymore
1. Has a girlfriend/wife and kids he didn’t mention before
He’s a catfish when it comes to his appearance or about his finances because he hates “gold diggers” but spends 40 minutes talking about the nice things he buys and how much money he makes because he’s peacocking
Anytime between dates 1-3 he’s trying to rush you to bed when you barely know him because he thinks you owe him for spending $30 on a meal

Poorfck · 2021-05-08T16:34:24+00:00

I notice a new trend, where women would say "I don’t like FDS, BUT I agree with some of their teachings". Just like women would say "I’m not a feminist BUT" to preface anything they say, otherwise no one would listen.

marlenemermaid · 2021-05-08T14:34:18+00:00

I’ve read at the other subreddit that women on FDS hate sex workers because we hate poor people. 🙄🙄They are so dumb and can’t comprehend that we hate THE INDUSTRY that exploits women not the women who work in this industry. I actually pity sex workers because they were probably groomed by men since young age or were struggling financially.

waitingforsunlight · 2021-05-08T17:44:26+00:00

The interesting thing I've seen is how they miscategorize what FDS means when they say "high value man." They think we mean we want a 6ft+ billionaire with a perfect body and that we're superficial golddiggers who don't work on leveling ourselves up physically or personality wise to be on the same level as that type of man. However, the way I see it, being a HVM has next to nothing to do with the physical or financial. Sure, there's often correlations, and of course anyone is entitled to have a personal preference, but a man could be all that and still be an absolute horror to be with and a complete drain on any woman's life- just look at the Armie Hammer situation.

girl_in_red_costume · 2021-05-08T17:55:52+00:00

They don't want women to have standards, this makes life dificult for them.

MagnfiqueMaleficent · 2021-05-08T19:55:21+00:00

When they read about themselves on FDS, it creates a cognitive dissonance within them that’s uncomfortable to deal with. And anything that makes them feel bad must surely be “toxic.” 🤣

Hey, lurking incels. Did you ever think it’s not toxic but a cue for you to change something about yourself?

Zurflu · 2021-05-08T15:13:32+00:00

"They need help dating but don't want to take any advice from men!"

They misunderstand the purpose of the sub since for men dating is all about trying to find as many women as possible (or even just one woman) to give them a chance. FDS is about maximizing female benefit and raising your own value and standards, not about attracting more men. Most of the women here have been in long term relationships before or are currently in a relationship. It's not an inability to find a date lol.

But yes, it boils down to them not being able to talk to us. They're outside a fence watching us with no chance at interacting.

Gambit12345 · 2021-05-08T15:01:23+00:00

The more women wake up, the less women they have at their disposal to exploit. If women collectively decide to want better from men, all men will have to improve themselves and they’re just not willing to do the work.

ms_monquis · 2021-05-08T22:04:49+00:00

I do think a lot of the strongest reactions have to do with the very tight moderation. (The tight moderation being the only thing making this sub usable AT ALL.)

I'm not sure it would matter what we were saying or talking about at all as long as one group is specifically barred from participating. It freaks people out. This could be a women's only quilting sub and people would still call it hateful and toxic.

FemaleIsntAFeeling · 2021-05-08T17:15:05+00:00

the shrimp dick emojis 💀💀

iwfdya · 2021-05-08T15:07:33+00:00

We speak the truth. And we're gaining a lot of traction rapidly. And that scares them. They know things are starting to change big time. As simple as that.

shinyjewels · 2021-05-08T15:27:30+00:00

I've seen people call this sub homophobic....bish where???

Not to mention, there will always be people in every sub that are truly problematic. I've literally seen people have a sympathetic mindset wrt the incel community ("Not all of them are violent, only some bad few"), but judge FDS based on some "problematic" (and already deleted) posts. Where's the same benefit of the doubt to FDS? People don't give grace to women's subs the same way they give grace to men's subs.

badnewsbroad76 · 2021-05-08T21:26:22+00:00

The reason they feel so threatened by this sub (even more than they do all of the feminist subs) is bc it's not political. This is just women uniting and coming together to discuss the specific harms that come from dating and having intimate relationships with men. The mistreatment we all suffer is the one thing that women from all walks of life have in common with eachother and that's a bond that is much harder for them to disrupt or break into..but what they particularly despise is that we share and expose the truth about them and the many tricks that men use to manipulate us. Women are getting wise to their games and trying to make better decisions, so of course they are going to hate fds and do everything they can to malign us and misrepresent what we are doing..if we were any of the things that they were accusing us of, they wouldn't be so worried. When they call us female incels, they are just projecting. It's funny the best they can come up with is something that men do, not us. Lol.. all they have are lies..

excuse typos. Typing on this crap phone and don't have my glasses

judithyourholofernes · 2021-05-08T15:12:31+00:00

They say we should be nicer when talking about the men who have harmed us. We shouldn’t be talking about anything that doesn’t directly benefit them and center on their penis.

They say they don’t want us, we know we don’t want them, so why dictate what we say? Plenty of non FDS women out there perfectly willing to do and be what they claim to want.

Galileo_Spark · 2021-05-08T15:08:06+00:00

Yep, because we can warn each other about them and talk about all the tricks they use to manipulate women. It’s empowering for us to be able to discuss these things and many of them want us insecure and in the dark so they can have more power and control over us. FDS is a source of strength and knowledge for many of us and they want to cut that down.

malibooyeah · 2021-05-08T15:37:54+00:00

I've said it time and again, they hate us not because we're lying, but because we are telling the truth.

womandatory · 2021-05-09T03:00:04+00:00

Honestly, the subs where they complain specifically about this one are worth having a look for a laugh. They literally misinterpret everything this one is about.

They think we’re all inc3ls (ah no, choosing not to have sex with abundantly available sub-par dick is very different from not being able to attract anyone at all.
They think we’re all having sex with dozens of men at the same time (um, no, but also see point 1).
They think we hate men (also no).
They think that we will ‘never’ find a decent man and will wind up sad and alone (again, no - some might be alone, but we’re all living our very best lives and are definitely not sad. We’d much rather be single than disgusted and disappointed daily).
They think we’re all single (there’s another no - many of us are happily married or partnered in a way that suits our lives perfectly with top shelf men, a perfect reminder to the other ladies here not to settle for some deadbeat loser).
They think we’re all lazy, ‘post-wall’ gold diggers looking for a new daddy for our kids, or college aged brats with entitlement attitudes, or ugly and delusional about it, and we’re sitting around, waiting for a perfect man (uh, FDS is about levelling ourselves up - a good job that pays all our own bills and then some, clean health, good diet, regular exercise, beauty routines and dressing beautifully and appropriately for our body shape, type, taste and budget).
They think if a woman is bisexual, she wants to have a threesome (no, monogamous bisexuality is not an invitation to group sex). I actually saw a post in the manosphere recently where a man who was having sex with several different women was asked by one of them if he was ok with her seeing other people too, including women. The commenters were all telling him she was asking for a threesome. Honestly, they are delusional.

They simply can’t stand the fact that increasingly, women are setting and enforcing standards and boundaries and that the message is getting out there it’s ok to do that. They don’t like women knowing it’s ok to say no to sex, that is ok to walk out on a date if you catch him scrolling porn on his phone on your way back from the bathroom. Men don’t like learning that if we’re going to spend time, money and effort on our hair, makeup and clothes, we will have an expectation that our date make an effort with his grooming and appearance too. They don’t like hearing that women are waking up to monumentally low-effort men.

They do not have the maturity to read a post here that says women do not want to date a man who uses porn and take from that the question why and go and do some research into it themselves. They do not understand why women are rising up and refusing to engage in sex acts that are painful and degrading. They don’t get that women don’t want to be used on rotation or referred to as inanimate objects like plates. They lack the intelligence to understand that if they all spend their 20s in pursuit of having sex with as many women as possible, that when time comes they want to get married, there won’t be any sweet, innocent virgins for them to corrupt and mislead with their poorly developed sex skills, because their peers have screwed their way through and ‘broken’ all the available women out there.

Instead, when women start to set and enforce boundaries and standards, these men get sarcastic and angry and project their inadequacies onto us. Instead of working on themselves to be the best they can and treating women with respect that would be totally reciprocated, men come here to defend their own laziness and poor hygiene by attacking our standards, or they say we’re unrealistic in our expectations because they simply don’t want to better themselves.

Men demand respect but don’t offer it, they want a fit, shapely woman but they won’t eat well and look after themselves, they want a woman who hasn’t slept with a ton of men, but they want to have sex with hundreds of women (obviously they’re no good at math either). They want a woman with a job and a car and an apartment of her own, but they don’t want to offer the same stability in return. They want a woman who will pay 50/50 for bills, but still expect her to do 100% of the housework, and continue to do so even after she’s birthed his children.

I’m sorry to the male lurkers, we will not lower our standards - either you clean up your act, treat yourself and women with decency and respect, be a proper man, a leader and someone we can trust, or just accept that you’ll never have a HVW for a girlfriend or wife, because the price of a HVW is being a HVM.

Davina33 · 2021-05-08T22:33:42+00:00

They're obsessed with us, posting screenshots from here so often. Pathetic. Doesn't sound like they're going their own way at all.

the-lonely-spirit · 2021-05-08T21:40:27+00:00

Adam Sandler makes god awful films with misogynistic “jokes”. Hate that guy. Be careful about shaming their tiny penises because some of these scrotes get off to it lmao.

Professional-Pea-317 · 2021-05-08T18:46:35+00:00

Shrimp dick 🍤 🤣🤣🤣 ... girl I love you

Fit_Juice · 2021-05-08T23:41:49+00:00

Also, I've seen the discussion attached, it's just all so, so sad. It's so sad they think they matter. Also being married to a pick me, is not the same as a healthy sane woman. More often it’s the case is that pick mes are infantilized and that frankly opens a whole other can of nasty worms. I’d tell OP but how much do you want to bet I’d get booted; they have a form of rules and guidelines it’s just not as…. Dare I say refined? The mental gymnasts I honest to God can’t.

frostedgemstone · 2021-05-09T03:15:40+00:00

Lol “toxic” has become a catch-all term that’s largely lost its meaning. They’re just crying about the fact women on here are honest about their desires and we’re not all playing the token pickme who apparently loves small dicks, short men, or who will gladly go 50/50 🤮

serialxx · 2021-05-08T15:07:25+00:00

I have a friend and I mentioned to her that she should join because she has bad relationship problems, and her brother heard and said that FDS is “a bunch of female incels” and “if some guy didn’t hold the door for them they would beat the shit out of him” 😳

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Title	They never say why they hate FDS...
Author	AcadiaLeather5071
Upvotes	771
Comments	93
Date	May 8, 2021 2:22 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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