TL;DR: Black chicks want to keep dem BBCs all to themselves breh (hat-tip u/Ali0_o)
INTRODUCTION So yesterday u/JimProphetMGTOW made a great post called "Black Women Lack Femininity". I highly recommend it.
Many of the comments extolled the virtues of African and West-Indian women, as opposed to American Black women, and one commenter sent me a message with some questions. My reply was getting to be rather lengthy and complicated so I thought I'd just post it all here instead, for any that were wondering about this as well.
Commentary and debate is of course welcome; these are merely my observations. Strap in, this is a long read.
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I was curious though, I know in several black communities there's this huge, and I do mean HUGE stigma for black men dating interracial, that if a black man dates outside his race he's a race traitor. I can't understand it.
Speaking specifically on Black/White relations:
If we narrow our scope to only the United States, you'll find that, up until 60 years ago, Blacks were treated as second-class citizens, both socially and legally, for hundreds of years. Because of this White People were seen as the Enemy, the Oppressor, the Devil.
Given the history of racial violence endured by Blacks at the hands of Whites, many Blacks view dating/marrying White people as "sleeping with the enemy", or as a form of Stockholm Syndrome. This also leads to accusations of "selling out" your own people.
They also may interpret it as a sign of internalized anti-Black racism, or "Self-Hate", the idea being that you, as a Black person, believe so strongly in The White Man's idea of your inferiority that the only way you can feel better about yourself, or feel whole, is to align yourself with White people, who, within this context, are the "superior" race.
Men from any other race don't get that treatment, nor do black women. From what I've seen it's mostly white women who get similar treatment for dating black men although it's only a minority who condemn it, whereas for black men, you become public enemy for doing so.
You've hit on a juicy double-standard, which sees Black women not only receiving less backlash from interracial dating, but in many ways sees them PRAISED for doing so, at least in the eyes and hearts of other Black women.
I don't even know if I can untangle it all for you, but I'll try.
First let's be clear, nobody gives a fuck if DaQuan from the Block is banging someone who isn't Black, it's ONLY "Good Black Men" (GBM), the ones that either are successful or who exhibit great potential, that get shade for not dating Black women. So from here on, when I'm talking about Black men, unless otherwise specified, a GBM is what I'm talking about:
Generally, Black men, sometimes to a fault, are seen as possessing many traits that are attractive to ALL women, especially in terms of physical traits and confidence. Once you add intelligence, education, and money/status to that equation, it becomes almost EASY for a Black man to date just about anyone he wants, if he knows what he's doing.
[I personally have experienced this; my income fluctuates dramatically, but I'm tall, fit, and witty and charming, and even with shitty Game I'd fucked and dated women of nearly all ethnicities--East Indian is still on the list, that's it.]
Conversely, the majority of Black American women contain traits that are UNattractive to the majority of men: they are combative, they are over-weight, they are promiscuous, they are masculine and aggressive. These aren't just assertions, either, these are documented phenomena. They will blame White Supremacy and racist media depictions or whatever, but the various physical and social ills plaguing Black American women--poverty, obesity, heart disease, diabetes, single motherhood, STD rates, etc.--are on the books. My fellow Leftists refuse to acknowledge these issues because apparently facts and data are horribly racist, but that's a topic for another time.
In addition to this, there are a LOT of Black American women with college degrees and a LOT of Black men without any education whatsoever. Due to women's hypergamous instincts, there just aren't a lot of Black men available that are up to their standards: LOTS of DaQuans, very few GBMs.
Societally we see this trend play out as women continue to make up the majority of college graduates, but since Blacks are only 12% of the population of the US, there just aren't as many of us, and within that 12% are a much smaller percent that actually have their shit together.
In short, this basically means that the pool of GBMs is very, VERY small. And because GBM have far fewer problems with dating, the pool of AVAILABLE GBM is even smaller.
Taking all of this into consideration, and considering that the majority of Black American women are UNattractive to the majority of men, you find what many Black women discover, to their horror:
Their dating options are severely, SEVERELY limited.
Basically, Black American women are stuck in a somewhat forced Scarcity mindset, which creates all manner of issues and contradictions:
They are "strawng" and independent, yet complain that they can't find a man.
Because their options are so limited, any time a non-Black woman is with a Black man the scarcity mindset interprets it as "stealing" one of "the few GBM". Cue bitterness and resentment and jealousy.
They keep getting their hearts broken by DaQuans, bearing his bastard kids, while at the same time GBMs are viewed as unattractive pussies. This goes beyond AF/BB and extends into a deeper issue, where Black men with brains are not only seen as wimps, but seen as "acting White". So on TWO fronts the GBM is seen as unfit for the Black woman.
As a way to rationalize their unattractiveness to most men, Black women will claim that other races of women are more submissive and more easily manipulated, and thus are more attractive to Black men--i.e. Black men "just cain't handle a Strawng Black Woe-man" (who is combative and thinks that Black Men Ain't Shit and thus drives sensible Black men far, far away). Simultaneously, and without any trace of irony, they will claim that non-Black men treat them better as a rationalization as to why they've dated outside their race.
Black women will also rationalize their unattractiveness by slandering White women as sluts that give it up more easily, or will engage in any manner of sexual filth to please a man, while STD/abortion/single-motherhood statistics, as well as a visit to LiveLeak or WorldStar Hip-Hop tell a different story.
There is a culture in many Black communities of embracing fatness and obesity as attractive and sexy, not realizing that high SMV men of ANY race don't like fat bitches. Rife with jealousy, they will hate on white and especially Asian women who don't have these problems.
Basically what it boils down to is that Black American women are victims of poor self-awareness and shitty breeding, and they are bitter that Black men can develop far more options in the dating arena and SMP than they can.
Exceptions to these observations--Black women in the arts, especially those in big cities. Dancers, actors, singers, painters, musicians, you name it--you're FAR more likely to find beautiful, fit, open-minded Black women in those circles. The risk is that the arts skew HEAVILY left, so you may have to deal with Liberal nonsense like Feminism, but it's also worth mentioning that many of these women are able to date outside their race with far more ease (it's amazing what taking care of yourself and not being a complete fucking bitch can do for your dating prospects, isn't it?).
LESSON LEARNED
- Black women have far fewer options for dating than Black men do, and they hate it. Additionally Latin and Asian women won't get AS much hate, but a White woman is the ultimate sin. They will hate you and any non-black woman you're with either way.
Rather than get upset or irritated by it, recognize that their hatred and jealousy is a sign that YOU'RE DOING WELL. Meanwhile continue to plate/bang African (and Black European!) women to your heart's content.
EDIT: Changed the original TL;DR to a much more concise one, lol.
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