"Why Would That Matter? I'm The Girl"

DumpyLips · 2014-06-16T16:52:10+00:00

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ColdEiric · 2014-06-16T16:20:30+00:00

Go see her again when she hits the wall. I knew a lot of women like this and had the pleasure of watching them go face first.

Whisper · 2014-06-16T19:36:05+00:00

It's very easy to resent this.

But in a way, she's right.

According to some geneticists who did their homework pretty thoroughly, 87% of all the women who have ever been alive have descendants who are alive today. For all the men, that number is 34%.

What does that mean? Certainly, those numbers are a composite of those who never had offspring, and those whose offspring died, but I think we can all agree that at least a large part of this effect is that for women, mating privileges are a given, but only exceptional men receive them.

If nine in ten women, and one in three men, are fuckable, then that means that a man, in order to be fuckable, must take risks to distinguish himself as exceptional (in that top third), if he doesn't already possess status that marks him thus.

Women, however, only need to do three things:

Show up.
Look cute.
Be nice.

That's enough. The one woman in ten who isn't fuckable is that way because she failed one of those three things. She either didn't show up (isn't around eligible men), didn't look cute (she shows some visible evidence of poor health, like being fat or having a skin disease), or wasn't nice (was so mentally ill or high-conflict that men couldn't stand to stick around).

In other words, men, in order to be fuckable, must be exceptionally good. Women, in order to be fuckable, must be not exceptionally bad.

This is why men are the building sex, the discovering sex, the risk-taking sex, the daredevil sex, the hardworking sex, the inventing sex. It's not about capabilities. It's about need. Women don't need to do these things, so most of them don't. Men do.

So she was correct. None of that stuff matters, and none of it matters because she is a girl. There's no sense railing against it. Girls didn't create this reality any more than we did. It's a biotruth. It's part of our evolution.

However, she did make an error, which is pointing it out in a high-handed manner. Remember that there are three things that do effect female fuckability: show up, look cute, be nice. Flaunting your gender advantage isn't nice... and this will reduce her access to the most exceptional men (who don't have to put up with her bullshit). Oh, she'll still successfully reproduce, unless she chooses not to, but it does have a cost (albeit minor compared to that faced by men).

Since the whole goal of TRP is learn how to distinguish oneself as an exceptional male, who can breed if he wishes, a wise move in response to this wouldn't be to have sex with this woman (men with choices avoid high-conflict women), but it also wouldn't be to argue with her or get all butthurt (men with choices avoid high-conflict women). The behaviour of an exceptional male would be a shrug, some noncommittal answer, and then exclusion from his social circle and calendar.

TrueBro · 2014-06-16T17:05:20+00:00

The sad thing is she's right. As long as desperate men / betas will do anything to get laid, we are to expect this kind of shit.

PFN_LIST_FUCKED · 2014-06-16T17:33:37+00:00

The last "What do you have to offer your partner?" thread I saw in AskWomen was filled with dumb jokes and entitlement. I always feel hard pressed to find a woman whose hobbies aren't just drinking, Netflix, and taking naps.

too_long_didnt_read · 2014-06-16T18:41:17+00:00

Part of me is wondering whether I should just pay to fuck 10/10 hookers when I'm in the mood, and then enjoy being single the rest of the time.

The more women I meet the more disinterested in them past getting my dick wet I become. They literally have nothing to offer me past sexual release, and I can get that from a hooker without all the cuddling afterwards.

thepillwastaken · 2014-06-16T16:25:37+00:00

The list is great. I have heard it and ignored it many times because it's just a hamster by a girl. Thats all it is.

I hear beta men do the same thing to rationalize away why they won't try and fuck a cute girl who "isn't their type"..etc.

Its kind of like the girls who post that they love god and hate perverts in their tinder and send you nude pics once you start chatting.

2014-06-16T22:10:49+00:00

I know a woman (29 y/o) like this and she is completely alone, yet desperately wants a boyfriend. I felt bad for her for a long time until my mom had a talk with her about a man that was interested in her. She said she wasn't interested in him because she has bare minimum standards that he didn't meet. My mother pushed and asked what they are; she got a full list of ridiculousness... He's gotta be tall, passionate about his job, smart, work with his hands, democratic, liberal, Christian, in shape, a good cook, blah blah blah. After hearing that I no longer feel bad for her. She's not even super attractive, just average if anything. Whaddabitch!

PerniciousOne · 2014-06-16T17:57:22+00:00

"Why Would That Matter? I'm The Girl"

Guess what, almost every girl has the same list of demands (qualities) that they expect in a guy. Most guys who have those qualities can find tighter, hotter, and younger women and would rather have them over you. Sure they may fuck you but that is all.

2014-06-16T19:06:29+00:00

Girls are raised to believe that they should win a trophy just for showing up. They have been fed a steady diet of participation awards and gold stars for everyone.

They have been told their entire lives that women and girls are "held back" and "considered less worthy than men." This has developed a sort of inferiority/persecution complex in each of them that reinforces their sense of entitlement. They feel unjustly cheated in every aspect of their lives and thereby believe that they always deserve more than they get.

And any time they've been in direct competition with other girls they've learned to resort to tearing down each other's self-esteem and social standing rather than just compete honorably in a given arena. This has taught them that whether someone "wins" doesn't have much to do with their ability or merit but has everything to do with how well liked they are by the majority of a given group. This explains why women care more about group acceptance than they do about their own personal performance.

All of this ends up creating women who feel perpetually cheated for no reason. Women who believe that they deserve everything they want without having to do anything to get it. Women who believe that they deserve better men than they end up attracting and think that they can get whatever they want by appealing to the group (other women) instead of to the individual (men) they want to attract.

beltwaytr · 2014-06-16T21:06:49+00:00

You know why woman have this type of mentality? Desperate & thirsty ass men! Women are so used to having their egos blown sky high, that they get shocked + angry when they encounter a male that actually has standards.

It's fucking disgusting and I've hated it since I was a kid in school. I mean this problem transcends Alpha,Beta, & Omega all types of guys are guilty of doing stupid shit like this:

http://www.pricklypoison.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/thirst4_fixed_318993.jpg

Let me tell you what shit like this does:

It boosts their egos.

It makes guys look like creeps.

It lowers her opinion of men in general.

It perpetuates the "Disposable Male" problem we face.

For the sake of length I will stop there. Guys that have no kind of standards aside from pussy is pathetic in my opinion. No kind of self control, easily manipulated, and disposable.

biffsocko · 2014-06-16T17:50:13+00:00

Everyone has a list of wants. As a guy, I wanted the centerfold of Hustler, that wouldn't hit the wall till well into her 60's, was a virgin, but gave head like a porn star and loved sports.

I wouldn't listen to your friend. She's talking out of her ass. At some point you either reconsider what's important, or you stay on your own. There's no point in getting worked up over this girl. It's not like she's your problem. That's for someone else to deal with

AugustWallflower · 2014-06-16T17:10:02+00:00

I feel very bad for single guys these days. Girls are bitches. And they sleep with WAY too many guys and then don't understand why nobody wants them when they're ready to settle and start looking for a decent guy. I wouldn't touch most of them with a ten foot pole because they probably have all kinds of cooties.

I'm a girl, by the way. Support men 100%.

kay_x · 2014-06-16T17:20:28+00:00

Woman here: The main issue honestly is things like Twilight and other teen fiction that gets read growing up. Even I grew up thinking I was a special flower and no matter what I did I deserved the absolute best.

These girls need to wake up and smell the shit that they're blinding themselves with. Good on you for making her realise that being born with a vagina does not give you a bye to get where you want to be in the gene pool.

WTF7777777 · 2014-06-16T16:23:25+00:00

Poor career prospects? You're not in the US then are you? In this country but the private and public sector are tripping over their twats to hire and promote women. This makes me wonder. Why does the man get locked up because he can't pay his child support? Why not just give him the kids and order the woman to go out and find work. She has an easier time of it. Answer? This fucking country is hostile towards men. It's ran by woman and their lawyers and there's more of them than us men.

As far as your original comment yeah they all think that. I know a 50 something Philipina that is a nearly 5 foot tall, works in a school lunch room and never shuts up about how she has to find a tall rich man to marry her. "Oh that guy is too short" I hear out of her yapper anytime my girl friend points someone out in a club. I suggested perhaps the tall rich good looking guys are looking for the tall rich good looking women. Last time I had to fetch her drinks she doesn't talk to me anymore. Good !

smokeybehr · 2014-06-16T20:44:56+00:00

I may get downvoted for this, but all the stuff you see about the "bar scene" in that one CougarLife commercial is some good RedPill info.

OP's story reminds me of the brunette that sneers, "So, you're a computer geek?" with the blonde cougar saying, "You fold sweaters for a living, honey."

Rollo-Tomassi · 2014-06-16T20:36:35+00:00

You'll enjoy this: http://therationalmale.com/2011/12/14/qualities-of-the-prince/

General_Fear · 2014-06-16T22:14:19+00:00

The Wall explains a lot.

When a woman is young. When she is hot and chest and butt still defy gravity, she is in demand. So she can be picky. In her 20's she has a laundry list of "must have" in order to marry.

When women hit 30's the list get shorter. I remember a woman who said that a man had to be at least 6 ft tall. After her 30's, the requirement was gone.

When a woman hits the Wall, she becomes invisible to men. The men seem to disappear. Men no longer hit on her. Or strike up a conversation. Or hold the door open for her. Etc etc . . . For many, the list is gone and they just want a "nice guy"

BTW, some women never learn. If you go to an online dating web site you will see 40+ year old women who are fat and ugly with a laundry list of "must have" qualities to date her. LOL.

classicjimmy · 2014-06-17T04:33:18+00:00

If all you have to offer a guy is your vagina, then you cannot get upset when all he wants you for is sex. All the good men? They've either found someone worthwhile to spend their life with, or are banging an 18 year old chick whose vagina is tighter and wetter than yours.

Guys talk about 80% of girls fucking 20% of guys, and that may be true, but only a small fraction of girls are getting the true alphas, because in order to lock one down for any reasonable amount of time, you either need to have the best there is to offer. If all you are is a 28 year old vagina with limbs, a torso, and a head, you're not the smartest, the most enjoyable to be around, likely not the richest, and most certainly not the tightest and hottest. Even girls have to bring something to the table at some point.

rapreaper · 2014-06-16T19:40:58+00:00

This is actually the fault of men who give women who only have pussy to offer a relationship. If they had all just pumped and dumped, she would have tried to increase her quality. As men we can't bitch about the quality of women available. Get the best girl you can. Don't even give momentary validation to the others (except friends). When girls stop getting attention at their level, they will be forced to climb the mountain.

swaggertank · 2014-06-16T19:41:17+00:00

Hot chicks offer looks, although that doesn't mean much since there A LOT of hot women so what you are saying is true.

2014-06-16T21:59:51+00:00

Women cannot fathom rejection. They can't understand why it's happening. They turn internally for the first time ever and rip themselves apart. After that, they start getting very go grrrrl and expect praise for being a semblance of a productive human being.

exit_sandman · 2014-06-16T22:03:12+00:00

More direct translation: "Why would that matter? I have the tits, I make the rules!"

2014-06-16T22:53:19+00:00

Exactly what I was looking for today on TRP, thanks.

kick6 · 2014-06-16T19:47:12+00:00

The problem isn't that modern women are like this, the problem is that so many men still attempt to cater to said lists so that they believe they're entitled to it...even though meeting the list is by definition impossible.

Ripsaw1990 · 2014-06-16T19:12:31+00:00

What women say they want and what they will settle for are two completely different things. I agree that this mindset is worth mentioning to demonstrate the entitlement, I would also like to mention to keep in mind it means nothing. Attraction is instinctual not logical so you should ignore what she says and focus on what she feels. Demonstrate alpha male characteristics and you've nailed down the only true check list box to be filled.

2014-06-16T19:43:11+00:00

I feel sorry for you youngsters having to deal with such stupid vapid cunts. I just fuck women, I don't need em around otherwise.

cherrypoptart27 · 2014-06-16T23:39:38+00:00

Your post reminds me of this hilarious post on my newsfeed today:

http://imgur.com/iArx1oa

http://imgur.com/N19xUxs

The hamster is strong in this one. I swear I'm gonna delete my account.

JGH8763 · 2014-06-17T01:36:18+00:00

That's the mating position she's in. No point in attacking her for it. Those with an abundance of options are going to have higher standards, and are going to focus on filtration (thinking about what values they want to consume) rather than provision (thinking about what values they can provide). The 5% of guys in society who women are actually attracted to are the same way.

GiveMeABreak25 · 2014-06-17T01:42:13+00:00

It just sounds like you have a self absorbed, stupid friend.

2014-06-17T02:53:07+00:00

This is a harsh truth, but even women don't know what they want.

Seriously, what woman do you know that found the perfect guy, but didn't also have a list of things they wanted to "change" about him?

They don't know themselves any better then we do. Don't put their needs above your own. Focus on yourself, and you'll find what you want.

Focus on their needs, and you'll be constantly trying to hit a moving target that changes daily.

10J18R1A · 2014-06-17T03:24:29+00:00

Translation- I have (the promise of) pussy.

2014-06-17T03:35:31+00:00

well girls are always into listing things in guys they like. but i think they're not supposed to share those lists with guys. and its not really like a real list so you shouldn't take it so serious like those are their demands. they're supposed to share them with each other, as a social thing. like how guys comment on girls with guys, but they wouldn't share those comments with girls. but when a girl or guy is feeling frustrated they could make the mistake of sharing what's really not meant to be shared with the opposite sex. it would be like if a guy made rude comments to a girl about girls, like judgmental or dismissive ones, but it just reveals how he's unsatisfied. he can't keep it to guys only because he got bitter. a girl saying all the good guys are taken to a guy and giving him the impossible to live up to list is the same thing. its just whining. to me this sounds like more of a behavioral thing than showing entitlement or something wrong with the general mindset.

watersign · 2014-06-16T23:04:25+00:00

I was telling my old man this the other day. Literally most women are useless whores and he gave me some speel of shit about "you gotta find a broad with a good head on her shoulders and settle down" ....for fucks sake man, this isnt the 1960s anymore!

PaulRivers10 · 2014-06-16T18:13:05+00:00

Hate to be all NAWALT, but I kinda feel like TRP gets to bitter about this - yes, some women are like that, and yes, those women are the most likely to be single.

But years ago I dated a girl who was barely out of high school (yes, high school, we're not talking about a paradigm of maturity here), and she had a similar story - she made a list of things she wanted in a guy. She went out, searched hard - and found a guy who met all those criteria. Said there was no chemistry and she was bored out of her mind.

The difference is - she didn't keep complaining that "there are no good men out there", instead she said "well, that didn't work" and stopped approaching dating that way.

dicklord_airplane · 2014-06-16T18:30:27+00:00

even as a child, i knew something was wrong when the Spice Girls got famous with their "If you wanna be my lover" song. i remember thinking as an 8 year old, "Well this song isn't very fair. they're saying that girls can do whatever they want, but guys have to do all this certain stuff to make girls like them?" We are seeing the result now that we've grown up.

girls kept getting the message that they shouldn't have to do anything to attract guys, and that guys were basically obligated to want them and support them regardless of their actions and choices. now there are a significant number of women out there who actually think that, "I shouldn't have to change anything about myself to get a man! that's sexist and misogynistic!" i guess you can get away with that sense of entitlement if you are already hot, but it's a great hindrance to most girls.

edit: i wish yall would stop practicing schadenfreude in regard to women hitting the wall. it's petty and vile. it's a tragedy that people end up alone and miserable like that when things could have turned out differently. remember, they are plugged in and are essentially powerless to go against the mainstream culture that leads them to it.

Ahrius · 2014-06-16T23:03:00+00:00

They offer a warm hole, and apparently that's enough.

Joke's on her though. No bitch will ever be as tight as my hand.

2014-06-17T03:54:34+00:00

That is the sweet-sour aspect of bettering oneself: once you're fit/ripped, with an interesting career, interesting hobbies, volunteer gigs, healthy social life, and able of holding a conversation on a multitude of subjects a lot of women seem insipid and single-dimentional.

Here's the sad part: in this very confused world, some aspect of PUA/Seduction and definitely TRP motivate guys to better themselves physically, intellectually and socially.

There is no such a drive for females. And that is the saddest part.

secret_barber · 2014-06-16T21:01:49+00:00

You probably should've next'd this one long before you got to this sentence.

aazav · 2014-06-16T22:13:32+00:00

A: Why shouldn't that matter because you're a girl? How is that a valid excuse?

I'm waiting. You can tell me.

temparooney · 2014-06-17T11:26:47+00:00

"I'm the girl!"

No, you are one of several billion girls. You must compete against them for men.

Guys, get with the program and search broadly. The more I think about it, the more I respect RooshV for his international travelogues, they give you the right idea.

2014-06-17T14:02:56+00:00

have some self respect/standards. problem solved.

its still a shame that such a large % of production in society goes to chic BS, it doesn't have to be this way, there are cultures where the women work more than their share.

2014-06-17T15:30:16+00:00

I've reached the stage of being amused by this behavior. It's like ahhh wimin, as much as I hate to admit it, life would be no fun without your lunacy.

HeadingRed · 2014-06-17T16:14:00+00:00

It's a good example of why the abundance mentality needs be in your mind- especially if you are not good at getting women.

2014-06-17T16:27:32+00:00

The ironic thing is that even though most women profess to hate being "objectified" for their sexuality, the only thing of value they see in themselves is JUST THAT. They don't want to change the system, just milk it for all its got.

Urinat0r · 2014-06-18T14:53:31+00:00

Here's a pretty funny song with lyrics that are relevant to much of what's discussed here; "But then she spoke" Just wanted to share :P

2014-06-17T00:31:22+00:00

poor career prospects

Women shouldn't have careers.

Why the fuck am I getting downvoted?

Burner1701 · 2014-06-16T21:26:26+00:00

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Marsupian · 2014-06-16T20:10:06+00:00

When a girl is going over a list like that she isn't literally saying she wants a guy who ticks all the boxes (she might think she is but that is not the reason why she is talking about it). What she is doing is trying to increase her value (look how picky I am) or giving a general shit test to all men out there (don't think you have a chance with me if you don't tick all these boxes).

Obviously all you have to do is be a strong and dominant guy who gives her tingles. Whether you tick any boxes on the list is irrelevant.

You can shit on her for having a list of requirements while not considering what she brings to the table but that is missing the point. That is taking things literally. I have respect for girls talking about shit like that because it achieves a goal. It is a decent fitness test which is the womens #1 role in social interactions. Making sure she only mates with the fit males.

If a girl doesn't take care of herself and brings nothing to the table that is a reason to not respect her or consider her as an option. If she makes a list with the purpose of weeding out the guys who lack the balls and social intelligence to see through it and take the initiative anyway than that is fine in my book.

BTW. The disparity in expectations from men and a girls own value is actually a good thing. It is selecting for the best genes. If low value girls would bang low value guys that would in terms of evolution be bad for the species.

burritopurrito · 2014-06-17T03:25:54+00:00

Relationships are always two sided and both people have needs. As a woman I recognise this and don't expect perfection because I know I can't offer that in return. It astounds me that women think like this and don't expect to be alone forever.

just_pizza · 2014-06-16T18:54:02+00:00

Which country are you from? Here both men and women have a list to stack up to or no one will even look at them when it comes to finding a spouse (we have arranged marriages).

I don't know what the man's list is but it does include having a job. I suppose there are other things too but I just don't know them. A girl must be college educated, she must know how to cook and run a household, lately the ability to know how to drive is also being sought, she must be of more or less equal status to the guy in question, well spoken, slim, should be able to have babies, should not have a family member in the past three generations guilty of a crime.

Most sought after qualities would be to have fair skin, a doctor, should speak English fluently, have a good sense of dressing and style (something that is oddly lacking in many women here).

Willravel · 2014-06-16T20:47:01+00:00

That seems like a hasty generalization, OP. You talk to one (possibly hypothetical) person, of seven billion, and find she is a little selfish in this one way, therefore all men are victims or potential victims of this because you think she's somehow representative of some significant number of women? I see no reason to conclude that. And what about men? Do you really think that there aren't men who are consumed by what they want in a partner but are unwilling to provide a host of their own positive attributes to the table?

Yes, some people are kinda shitty. That hardly means men are "dealing with" this kind of thing in any significant way. I don't. I don't know anyone else who is. I worry it's largely imagined.

You seem to think that some significant amount of women can be labeled as lazy, unaccountable, indebted, entitled, etc., but does that mean some significant percentage of men also hold this troubling view? I don't think so. Just as I wouldn't want to be lumped in with that group, I'm sure women wouldn't want to be lumped in with the one (possibly hypothetical) person you're speaking about.

If you're interested in men having a positive identity, perhaps the place you should start is recognizing that men and women really aren't all that different, that women are people just like you or I, and that you don't build up the male identity by tearing down the female identity. Using one example as a way to paint women—who you repeatedly call 'girls'—with a wide brush in the negative does absolutely nothing to build us up, in fact it simply widens a deep and unnecessary divide between people.

blerg39 · 2014-06-16T22:38:12+00:00

it's weird, i never think that anyone will ever be interested in me so i never think about what i could offer a man and how i could in fact make his life better and bring him joy. i just thought i'd be a drain on someone but hearing about a girl like this i'm sure there must be someone who would just want to hang out and go on awesome little adventures and learn and grow together, you know? This girl sounds like she's looking for someone to save her.

Title	"Why Would That Matter? I'm The Girl"
Author	magx01
Upvotes	600
Comments	320
Date	June 16, 2014 3:54 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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