I tried Andrew Tate's method. It worked. Now I understand why people love him.

Mrs_Drgree · 2023-02-17T15:22:03+00:00

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onirroc · 2023-02-17T14:02:47+00:00

That "method" really has nothing to do with Andrew Tate and has existed before him and is advice given by many different people.

Slapping Andrew Tates name on it makes it unnecessarily controversial.

dal2k305 · 2023-02-17T14:12:02+00:00

This isn’t the “Andrew Tate method.” This is what confident men have been doing for centuries, irrelevant of their belief system or political ideology. The fact that you felt disgusted after shows that somewhere along the line you were conditioned to believe that being direct and confident is bad. I really don’t know how that happened.

CimZim · 2023-02-17T14:10:52+00:00

This technique works on men, too, so don't be upset about it.

I've been doing this same exact thing for years Whenever one of my guyfriends gets too stuck in the humdrum of regular life. Works like a charm

Dramatic-Earth-3303 · 2023-02-17T14:10:26+00:00

Yup. These methods work. The problem with Tate though is that he mixes reality like this with a lot of exaggeration. Which is what leads to a lot of problems.

There is a reason why so many people follow him. There is some truth to the things that he says.

gofigure62 · 2023-02-17T14:33:37+00:00

This is general social intelligence. Giving someone a time, a place, and removing the labor involved with mentally noting their schedule to fit you in removes the burden.

It would be equally successful if you still said "I'm playing tennins at liberty park tomorrow at 10am. You should come with me, we'll get brunch afterwards".

Giving people the information of a specific, time, place, and plan, while also being aware that it's something that they're interested in doing is more successful than vague invitation with no concrete plans.

Any communication improvement advice will tell you this. Doesn't make sense why you credit this to the manosphere or pick up artists.

Try it with your male friends. It'll also work on them.

BecretAlbatross · 2023-02-17T14:04:35+00:00

Personally think Tate is a douche but yes.

The Redpill/manosphere is at least 50% right. Imo finding the line between things you should take to heart and things you shouldn't.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2023-02-17T14:26:01+00:00

So Andrew Tate’s method is just “being assertive?” Bruh,

propyl21 · 2023-02-17T14:23:48+00:00

I have a story for you.

My niece who is 18 recently got herself in all sorts of issues. She's your typical new age teen with her Instagram profile and all other social media platform profiles 'on fleek' or whatever kids say these days. Constantly posting those short videos where her face is immaculate due to the makeup as well as the filters applied on top to get thousands of views.

Plus she carries that typical vibe of 'I'm all it' attitude except behind the scenes, she is incredibly naive, insecure, depressed, lacking self worth, and everything negative one associates with a person of that age.

She recently came out of a toxic relationship. One thing led to another and a video or 2 of her were leaked on social media as well as shown by messaging amongst her peers.

The gist of it is this: I was shown messages that her ex was sending her throughout the relationship. They were profanity filled, derogatory, misogynistic, sexist, and simply vile in how he addressed his points across to my niece.

I decided to confront him thinking I'm going to come up against some bonafide lothario of a guy. Aka 'Chad' - I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw him for the first time. He was a scrawny mop headed fuckwit scared of his own shadow. This fucker had learned all the terminology and ways to address women in order to exploit a girl's already low level of self worth. Basically a true Anal Taint follower.

What's even more funny was when I confronted him in front of his parents (who were very decent folk, the mother was a lecturer while the father was in a well paid job in engineering which I found out after talking to them) - he seemed so scared. His parents were totally unaware that their well behaved son could do such a thing.

But as others have pointed out this is nothing new. It's happened across time. Youngsters will imitate those around them where they see what they perceive as success. Even if it's highly toxic to themselves, which they may not realise.

obviousredflag · 2023-02-17T14:45:11+00:00

It's called being confident and not too agreeable.

96tillinfinity_ · 2023-02-17T14:34:21+00:00

Women like confident men. You just have to be attractive enough to said women for them to care that you are

Has nothing to do with Andrew Tate. Women love dominant, assertive, confident men (who they find attractive)

januaryphilosopher · 2023-02-17T14:52:19+00:00

What's specific to Tate about this? Is it even masculine? Just being direct about what you want instead of phrasing it as a question and needing input in plans is hardly special. Like, is that it?

INFPneedshelp · 2023-02-17T14:29:36+00:00

I do not but I'm older and see past this type of uber masculine peacocking. So it might work for young women but as they get wiser it's prob going to seem weird

Cute_Ad7425 · 2023-02-17T14:25:26+00:00

It has nothing to do with acting macho. End of the day you aren’t responsible for anyone’s feelings but your own. Believe it or not you can probably offend someone with your go to approach so stick with what works best for you. There’s nothing wrong with leading a conversation. Yes leading is a sign of true masculinity, but is it toxic? No, not in my opinion. I find it to be the exact opposite

NationalistGoy · 2023-02-17T14:51:13+00:00

The question is - Do women really crave this masculine, strong attitude?

Just watch who women are fucking the most, it's not the feminine, soft, humble guys. Yes women do crave masculine man.

amber__ · 2023-02-17T14:52:43+00:00

Don't feel bad. You gave a better, enthusiastic, more assertive pitch in one example, vs. a boring, timid pitch. It's neither gender-specific or underhanded

Subject-Ad-9613 · 2023-02-17T15:02:25+00:00

this should tell you something. and that is that there is something wrong with society and YOU for not naturally being as masculine as you are meant to be. if anything this shows how warped, backwards and anti reality society and you are. why do you hate yourself? why do you hate being masculine? thats the real issue with society. you need to fix your brainwashing that tells you you should be weak and that women are supposed equal. they are not and dont view themselves as such.

thisreallyisnotok · 2023-02-17T15:07:50+00:00

Women in comments coping:

iT wORKs oN mEN tOo

houstongradengineer · 2023-02-17T15:08:59+00:00

Yeah people in general like go-getters and clear plans. Decision fatigue is a thing. Complacency and lack of motivation are things.

Demasii · 2023-02-17T14:11:27+00:00

Can you link where Andrew Tate explain and suggest this method?

thebubbaaaaa · 2023-02-17T14:34:51+00:00

Of course it works. The red pill and the manosphere or whatever you want to call it. Those methods work. People want to be wooed. They want to be pursued. They want excitement. It's why the bad boy does so well. He does all the things that a woman wants to do but has been conditioned to think is bad. But she can do it with him and then turn around and say she doesn't know what came over her and why she acted however she did. Gives her an out. You've been conditioned as well, to be sensitive and caring and respectful and on and on and on....and that equates to boredom. The person you ask to play tennis feels that. They feel that boredom. Another voting person asking them what they want. But instead of that, you took charge, you told your partner the deal, you got her excited and intrigued, you didn't give her an easy out. She felt intrigued, desired, and then compelled to play, because of your confidence.

There's nothing wrong with any of it. It is what it is.

UpbeatInsurance5358 · 2023-02-17T14:19:51+00:00

The thing here is that you did something different - you actively said you wanted to play tennis and you actually booked the court or made the plans yourself. You know, like a grown up. It's nothing to do with Andrew Tate, or even masculinity. It's about putting some fucking effort in.

gymbro718nyc2 · 2023-02-17T14:10:24+00:00

Lol you can possibly be serious.

TaxNegative161 · 2023-02-17T14:37:22+00:00

You're a 37 year old man and you learned to date from a sex criminal in a Romanian jail. You should be ashamed lmao

Scarce12 · 2023-02-17T14:52:08+00:00

This is really just a sales tactic though.

I learned something interesting from a sales boss.

If you have a sales department losing money, find the guy closing all the deals and getting the highest bonus, and get rid of him.

Fast_Delivery9164 · 2023-02-17T14:50:41+00:00

Yup, women are cringe that they respond to being told what to do while barking about how they want to be respected as “hooman beings”

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Affectionate_Pen_623 · 2023-02-17T14:30:44+00:00

Cue jackasses on this thread now playing dumb as if it isn't the very behaviours Tate encourages that gets him into trouble rather than his simple existence. Yes, its obvious Tate didn't invent this kind of assertive bordering on obnoxious style of engagement with the opposite sex. The very point is he encourages and amplifies this kind of approach.

Safinated · 2023-02-17T14:44:25+00:00

The important words you said were “with you”. Not anything else. You gassed them up and also obligated them — this is classic social finessing, but may not be sustainable

Lyzard96 · 2023-02-17T14:55:14+00:00

I really don't see a problem with being confident, upfront, and direct. That's like the only thing Tate is good at. The only problem, is his sense of confidence is a front for massive insecurities underneath. Just beware of that and don't become a monster.

Rumin8ting_ · 2023-02-17T15:05:28+00:00

Okay so what you are describing doing is not misogynistic or manipulative. It’s just presenting an offer in different light, you were enthusiastic and confident about it instead of just asking in a basic manner. Think about it, you highlighted all the good points of tennis and said you desired the persons company! That presents the offer in a great light, this works with anyone regardless of sex/gender.

My mom did this all the times when I was a child and so did other parents/baby sitters because it makes things sound fun! When you ask someone who isn’t very sporty/is tired to do a sport they think “uhg im so tired/id get all sweaty and gross… no way.” Vs “hey i want to hang out with you and play tennis! You’ll feel refreshed!” They think “hey, my friend really want to see me, they must value our time together! Maybe some exercise WILL be refreshing!” It just makes things more appealing, nothing to do with being masculine at all.

throwaway164_3 · 2023-02-17T15:08:02+00:00

How was the tennis game? Did you win?

yamb97 · 2023-02-17T15:09:08+00:00

I don’t know if we crave the “strong, masculine, and dominant” as much as we crave the directness and emotional labor being taken off our plate. I am always so tired man, I don’t want to plan shit. So if you ask me if I wanna do something and then make me do all the answering planning and figuring it out, I don’t wanna do it. But if you say hey let’s do this at x time here, that makes it easy for me. Idk if it really has anything to do w Andrew Tate as much as just taking some initiative, something I feel women are always complaining about but of course unless a man says it, y’all don’t pay attention.

gate18 · 2023-02-17T15:09:40+00:00

!!!!

That would work for men too.

Have you ever got men to do things they didn't want because you demanded them? I did.

You: Hey Bob, wondering if you are down for a tennis match tomorrow

Bob: Nah, can't be bothered

You: Bob, tomorrow me and you, tennis, 10 sharp.

Bob:...

It's not a Tate method.

Honestly, do you really think it doesn't work on men :) ?

And you don't have to learn this from a criminal like Tate.

PS - some people, regardless of genitalia will not agree.

Det_Steve_Sloan · 2023-02-17T15:13:10+00:00

You're basing a lot here off one encounter.

BrummieAMN19 · 2023-02-17T15:13:26+00:00

Lol that's assumptive closing you could have learned that in a sales 101 video or from some PUA that's got nothing to do with Tate.

Antisocialite99 · 2023-02-17T15:14:19+00:00

Well you could use this tactic then just be a decent guy. THis isnt manipulative.

Radiant_Specific6542 · 2023-02-17T15:15:32+00:00

Manosphere tatics objectively works but people just want to hate on the messenger and how it's delivered.

kalashhhhhhhh · 2023-02-17T15:17:37+00:00

The usual response is "Not really, I am tired/busy", and that is it.

Are you sure these people are your friends if they don't want to hang out with you?

Also, there is nothing immoral, masculine or disgusting in that approach. When I really want something but the likelihood of the other person not really being up for it, I approach them this way too. It isn't only applicable in romantic settings, nor a male thing.

Oh, and as others said, it's not even an "Andrew Tate thing". Tate didn't invent directness and confidence.

anjovis150 · 2023-02-17T15:18:59+00:00

When do you think women stopped craving for masculine guys? It's the norm for hundred thousand years.

Reasonable_Volume_96 · 2023-02-17T15:22:18+00:00

What you described (to me, at least, as a woman) is confidence. You asked her out, had a date and time in mind, planned it, scheduled it, and allowed her to decide if that would work for her.

It doesn't seem like it came off as over-confident or cocky and that's usually where the instant turn-off comes into play. It also helps that she wasn't a stranger. It may have been too forward if you asked someone you'd just met but if you weren't pushing for any private information like her phone number or where she lived it is a much safer way to meet a stranger in the case she weren't interested.

I think Tate is a manipulative, misogynistic pig - but I also don't think he'd have the following he did if a small portion of his advice weren't helpful, outside the context of his end goal and how he actually feels about women.

Any woman will tell you that they find confidence to be sexy. Many men, however, think that the definition of confidence is actually dominating, and forcing submission by telling women what they want. It is not. The masculine thing to do is to go in with confidence, and leave with grace on the chance you're rejected.

That being said, no one should have to change who they are at their core to get a date. I was rather forward about messaging my now partner initially when we started talking - he eventually asked me after we got to know each other better if I would be interested in going out to dinner and asked me to pick the place. I personally found that endearing and liked knowing that he wanted me to choose a place I liked rather than choosing for us.

But it also seems like you did similarly when you invited someone you know to an activity you believed they would genuinely enjoy. So confidence + initiative + thoughtfulness. It's a good combination, especially if you already have rapport and a connection with someone.

As others have said - Andrew Tate did not come up with this on his own. This advice most women would give to a man as well as men who have had success with women.

Tate ingratiated it into his teachings because it works - unfortunately for those who follow him closely, he also thinks women are stupid, can't drive, can't do math, can be easily financially abused (and sees that as justified) because he clearly sees women as objects to be used rather than people to connect with on a deeper level. And now he's in prison where he belongs.

hypotenoos · 2023-02-17T15:22:28+00:00

Who is getting ready for a difficult day after 10am?

nemma88 · 2023-02-17T15:31:44+00:00

Fix the date, the location, and be persistent.

This is the dodgy part. How persistent do you imagine you would have been if they were not up for a match?

Likewise, if this was about a romantic date how persistent would you be?

Different_Weekend817 · 2023-02-17T15:33:32+00:00

Fix the date, the location, and be persistent.

i agree with fixing the date, time and location when asking someone out, but not because it seems 'masculine' or like a 'go getter'. i prefer this method even when my platonic female friends ask me out because then i can give an easy yes or no, rather than trying to negotiate something i may or may not be that interested in depending on the circumstance. 'wanna watch a movie tomorrow?' well maybe, maybe not. what time, what movie? where? being vague makes shit all too complicated.

I literally felt disgusted by realizing that what Andrew Tate's and the other gurus say works. And I told her about it - she admitted that I was very different, but she loved it.

wow. you told her it was an Andrew Tate approach? damn you got balls. surprised she didn't slap you one.

Title	I tried Andrew Tate's method. It worked. Now I understand why people love him.
Author	tio_mio_1999
Upvotes	22
Comments	148
Date	February 17, 2023 2:00 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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