“We’re calling you out.” An article from my university that calls on men to not only stop raping, but to stop letting other men rape women.

Geohump · 2013-09-22T18:17:08+00:00

Feminists trying to shame men into protecting women.

But they are totes against gender roles, AMIRITE?

EvrythingISayIsRight · 2013-09-22T20:58:42+00:00

Telling men they can end rape is like telling black people they can end theft.

Bobarhino · 2013-09-22T17:52:03+00:00

"Because, not being a rapist isn't enough."

2013-09-22T21:32:05+00:00

We're calling you out, black people. We call you not only to stop urban violence but to stop letting all other black people practice street violence.

SwordfshII · 2013-09-22T16:10:06+00:00

God Bless the rapidly gaining MRA movement at colleges

TheDongerNeedsFood · 2013-09-22T18:25:00+00:00

I'll start taking her claims seriously when she starts calling for women to stop their married girlfriends from cheating on their husbands, getting pregnant, and forcing the men to raise children who aren't their's.

EvrythingISayIsRight · 2013-09-22T20:52:02+00:00

Rape is now my fault because I do not actively prevent it.

2013-09-22T20:05:10+00:00

This article is one of the biggest ideological pieces of feminist drivel I've read in a while.

Chris-Gaines · 2013-09-22T15:10:27+00:00

The story of the summer? The heartbreaking tragedy of Rehtaeh Parsons, a Nova Scotia teenager who took her own life after pictures reportedly showing her being sexually violated were circulated.

The military also took over Egypt. But let's ignore that. Too many brown people involved.

The song of the summer? “Blurred Lines,” with lyrics featuring coercive language recognizable to anyone who’s faced unwanted sexual advances.

Ah yes, those kids and their music are going to destroy society. Because no one's ever claimed that before.

Now, the story of September? Frosh week cheers at two Canadian universities, on opposite sides of the country, championing sex with underage girls with “no consent.”

Frat douches acting like frat douches. Who cares?

Clearly, it’s time to talk.

We could talk about the fact that Canada's crime rate is the lowest it has been since 1972, but I suspect the truth is not going to get any mention in this article.

From student leaders to key units within the university, individuals and groups across campus are speaking up in an ongoing conversation about rape, sexualized violence and assault, and the importance of consent.

Because telling the psychopaths to stop being mean is going to work so well.

Gaye Wishart, Dal’s harassment prevention/conflict management advisor, says the the university community has a particular responsibility to support those conversations, in part because Nova Scotia has the highest rate of sexual assault per capita in the country and university students are particularly vulnerable given their demographics. (The majority of sexual assaults are directed at women and girls between the ages of 13 and 25.)

Crazy people don't care if you tell them to stop being crazy.

But it’s important, she adds, to broaden the conversation beyond one or two incidents and consider how our culture propagates attitudes that objectify women and encourage sexualized violence.

Then explain the falling crime rate.

“We’re living in a soft porn culture,” she says. “Some people call it a rape culture. The images are everywhere: they’re in the videos, on the billboards, on the Internet. Everywhere you look, you see images that objectify women. So the issue is: how do we think critically about that and work to change it?”

Where's the study showing that "soft porn" leads to rape? Oh wait, there isn't one. Because it doesn't. It turns out that seeing attractive women in suggestive photographs doesn't turn ordinary guys into violent criminals.

“It’s talking about the bigger issue at hand rather than just pointing fingers,” says DSU President Sagar Jha. “People have had an intense reaction to these events, and that’s to be expected, but we should have the same intense reaction to all the subtle ways we perpetuate rape culture: in the media, in our systems, in oppression within those systems.”

If "rape culture" actually existed, you would have a point.

The DSU, along with its new equity office, has been working with South House (formerly the Dal Women’s Centre) and the Nova Scotia Public Research Interest Group (NSPIRG) on a series of events this September to encourage students to take part in a dialogue around these issues. Last week, they hosted a community support and debrief, a safe space for students to sit down and discuss topics of sex, rape and sexual assault.

"Safe" unless you tried to tell the truth, no doubt.

Then this coming Tuesday, Dal’s campus will be host to its first “Take Back the Campus” rally and march, starting at 5 p.m. outside the Student Union Building. The event, a spin-off of the long-standing “Take Back the Night” events, was planned in advance of the university chant incidents, but interest has been heightened now that the issue in front-and-centre in the public consciousness. Organizers with the DSU, South House and NSPIRG want to show that rape and behaviours that encourage it have no place in our community.

Criminals don't care what other people think about their behaviors. If they cared what the community thought about their acts they wouldn't be criminals.

“What we should take away from this is organizationally, personally, politically and socially, we all need to start holding ourselves more accountable for rape culture: for ending it; for considering how we contribute it; for how we are not working hard enough to reach out to those who have survived or have been victimized by it,” says Jude Ashburn, outreach coordinator with South House.

Why is it my job to fight violent criminals?

Both the DSU and South House are using the phrase “rape culture” as a key part of their campaigns, a term that describes how violence against women is normalized and excused in popular culture, the media, society, and laws. Dal’s Wishart prefers the term “sexualized violence” in these discussions — not to diminish rape in any way, she says, but to reflect the wider continuum of sexual assault. “We don’t want people thinking that just because it wasn’t ‘rape’ in the strictest definition that it’s not as serious. Any kind of unwanted sexual touching without consent is a form of sexualized violence.”

"Rape culture" isn't real.

Ashburn adopts the “rape culture” phrase in part because its brutality reflects the seriousness of the discussion.

So you admit that they're spreading hysteria.

“It is a hideous word on purpose,” says Ashburn. “I’m uncomfortable every time I say it… [but] it’s supposed to be difficult language, and if we sugarcoat rape, we normalize it, and that’s contributing to the perpetuation of violence.”

When you can't come up with any good arguments to support your position, just scream "RAPE!" Feminism 101.

.Regardless of the terminology, all agree that the heightened attention on issues of rape, sexual assault and consent represent an opportunity to educate and work to change people’s attitudes.

By "people," they mean "men."

The DSU, NSPIRG and South House will be launching a poster campaign in the coming weeks around the phrase, “We’re calling you out.” Jha say it’s a call-out to members of the Dal community to share their stories, struggles, thoughts and opinions about rape and sexual consent.

So long as those opinions are in line with those of the DSU, NSPIRG, and South House.

“It’s also calling each other out,” he adds. “It helps point out that we’re all part of this issue.”

Why is it my job to tangle with violent criminals?

Ashburn says it’s been heartening to see so many new faces come through South House over the past few weeks, seeking guidance, resources or just someone to talk with about these sorts of issues. Those small, one-on-one conversations can be just as important than the larger rallies and campaigns.

Just so long as you don't have thoughts, you're welcome. More feminism 101.

“When hate crimes and horrible things happen, it’s crucial that people can find community and realize that you don’t have to be alone if you don’t want to be,” says Ashburn. “There are so many people out there who care and have your back on this, and in the pursuit of safer spaces, I hope people would consider us as an important gathering place to have those discussions.”

Most rapes aren't hate crimes.

Dal’s Office of Equity, Human Rights and Harassment Prevention is another space where students can go to talk about these topics. But Wishart knows that if an individual has been sexually assaulted, the first person they confide in could be a friend, a professor, a counsellor or someone else. That’s why her team has developed sexual assault response guidelines for campus, a tool that anyone can follow if someone comes to them reporting a sexual assault. (The documents will be part of the office’s new website, launching in the next couple weeks, but you can review the guidelines here for both Halifax and Truro.)

Don't listen to your friend, listen to the feminists who created the guidelines. That's the way to really help someone.

Wishart’s office also actively promotes the importance of sexual consent. Together with ResLife and Dal Security, it rolled out the “Don’t Be That Guy” campaign last year in collaboration with Halifax Regional Police, an effort that targets men and their responsibility to ask for and receive valid consent. The Dal poster campaign contained its own twist, adding “Don’t Be a Bystander” to reflect that all of us have an obligation to speak up around these issues. New, updated posters are being circulated this fall.

Nothing about female offenders. What a surprise.

The office also produced two new advocacy videos this summer featuring Dal students. Both are about consent, and one features men speaking out about the issue.

They really do think all men are obligated to protect them from danger at all times.

“Consent is at the heart of these discussions, and it’s important that students know that clarity is everything,” says Wishart. “Consent can be given and taken away. Coercion is not consent. Silence is not consent. The phrase that’s sometimes used is ‘enthusiastic consent’ — there can’t be any doubt about it.”

There can always be doubt the next morning when she realizes that she finds you ugly. There can always be doubt when a feminist wants there to be more rape than there is and starts asking if she had anything to drink that evening (never mind that you did to).

There’s also no doubt that these issues aren’t going anywhere anytime soon. For its part, the DSU wants to keep students focused on the crucial role they have in the conversation.

If you see a crime in progress, get out of there and call the cops. There, problem solved. Why should men do anything else?

“It’s our responsibility as a student community to challenge views or perspectives that perpetuate a culture of rape, of sexual assault,” adds Jha. “That could be things our friends say or do, what we see in our culture, and what we consume in the media. It’s about standing up, speaking up and saying that these things — sexism, perpetuation of rape culture, transphobia, homophobia — are not welcome on campus.”

Rape is a felony. Rapists know that they're not welcome, they just don't care.

stemgang · 2013-09-22T16:25:59+00:00

Well your friends don't rape, and if they don't rape, well they're no friends of mine.

/eyeroll

2013-09-22T18:30:42+00:00

At this point when I see yet another one of their crazy endlessly repetitive rape culture hysteria rants all I can think of is the "you should quit" lady.

silverleafnightshade · 2013-09-22T16:50:22+00:00

Circumcising Your Son Is Nobody's Business But YOURS

Pretty sure it's your goddamn son's business, too.

crazedanimal · 2013-09-22T19:16:05+00:00

I enjoy boobs in video games which I understand makes me a proponent of rape culture, so I think stopping rapists might be a little hypocritical of me.

pwnsomeandrew · 2013-09-22T18:34:48+00:00

Yet another typical college newspaper article with almost the same exact types of people saying the same exact thing, people don't even try to bring new evidence or opinions to this, they all just mimic each other.

Roro-Squandering · 2013-09-22T18:33:40+00:00

Oh my God, I go to Dal too! Why the heck is Nova Scotia always on this subreddit for terrible reasons? Between the Do Me posters, this, and Reteah, it never ends.

ether_reddit · 2013-09-22T23:04:43+00:00

The story of the summer? The heartbreaking tragedy of Rehtaeh Parsons, a Nova Scotia teenager who took her own life after pictures reportedly showing her being sexually violated were circulated.

Regret is not sexual violation. This is a teenager who got really slutty with a couple of guys at a party, and regretted it the next day. Word got around, the usual Facebook criticism ensued. But it was not rape.

Revoran · 2013-09-23T02:05:16+00:00

Wow more bullshit about Blurred Lines.

The song is not about rape, people.

And naturally if a small minority of fuckers are rapists, that's somehow my fault because I have a penis.

What a fucking idiot the author of this article is.

burntoast101 · 2013-09-22T20:36:16+00:00

Wow. I just opened my facebook (after coming here) and found my mom had sent me THIS ARTICLE about how it would open my mind and make me a male feminist. I honestly could not despise her more as a person. Sigh. The worst thing is once I called the moronic views in this article in question, she told me they weren't "real feminists" (that's her defense whenever I disprove anything.)

AlexReynard · 2013-09-23T01:13:25+00:00

From this video that was linked in the article:

"More than 95% of sexual assaults are committed by men."

At first I was outraged to hear a lie that grotesque. But then I reflected that even people in the mainstream are going to start hearing things like this and come to realize that something is deeply wrong with feminists. Shit quotes like this remind me of the phrase, 'Nothing creates Atheists like having Christians actually read their Bible.'

nlakes · 2013-09-23T01:41:20+00:00

DON'T TELL PEOPLE TO KEEP SAFE, TEACH SOCIOPATHS NOT TO MURDER!!!!!

LOL FIRSTWORLDFEMINISM!

U_believe_me · 2013-09-23T05:02:45+00:00

if i see a man raping a woman...i stop it......who the fuck goes "shiettt not my problem. PEAYACEE...beeyotch"

3000canadian · 2013-09-23T05:20:43+00:00

I made a parody of the video and the "calling you out" campaign.

( Using a throw away imagur and reddit account of course ) Edit:

I am sorry if I offend any black people. It was not meant to, it is because bigotry based on race is recognizable and generally is not acceptable. I used it as a comparison to bigotry against men that is denied by the general population.

walruz · 2013-09-23T07:43:27+00:00

What's that? You're a woman? Well, then you're obviously personally responsible for Aileen Wournos' murders. Are you white as well? Then you're obviously personally responsible for both the Holocaust and the transatlantic slave trade.

You are not responsible for something that someone else does just because you happen to share some arbitrary anatomical features with them. All black people are not responsible for the Rwandan genocide and all people with walrus mustaches are not responsible for Stalin's purges.

2013-09-22T23:57:49+00:00

Oh so now I guess if an asshole decided to rape somebody, I am just as bad because I wasn't there to defend.

Great! I just love being responsible for shit I have no control over.

its_all_one_word · 2013-09-22T23:40:55+00:00

"The song of the summer? 'Blurred Lines,' with lyrics featuring coercive language recognizable to anyone who’s faced unwanted sexual advances." I'm a woman. I've dealt with a lot of unwanted sexual advances. I still believe that any poem (or song) uses metaphors in a way that is ambiguous. The fact that I've dealt unwanted sexual advances does not mean I have a monopoly over interpreting art.

occupythekitchen · 2013-09-22T23:58:33+00:00

That's why when I am in bed next to my girl and she is convulsing and wanting to have sex I wait for her to go after what we both know she wants.

PeterArching · 2013-09-23T16:01:41+00:00

Why am I an unpaid bodyguard for women I might not even know?

Remind me again what women are generally obligated to do for men they might not even know?

2013-09-22T22:56:33+00:00

Someone who knows about a rape or knows one is going to happen should do something about it whether they're a man or a woman, but men in general don't have control over this. Only a few do, and it's the ones doing it.

rapscallionx · 2013-09-22T23:05:33+00:00

Yeah, they can go fuck themselves.

UnkleTBag · 2013-09-22T20:44:34+00:00

Here's a crazy idea:

Mandatory 2 years of Jiu Jitsu (or similar low-strength combat) in highschool for female students only. Within 10 years, the physical superiority of males is all but removed, they will never have to be "defended" again.

angryman22 · 2013-09-23T08:23:07+00:00

Lets turn a small problem into a reason to shame all men!! You go girl!

theskepticalidealist · 2013-09-23T11:50:36+00:00

“We’re living in a soft porn culture,” she says. “Some people call it a rape culture. The images are everywhere: they’re in the videos, on the billboards, on the Internet.

I see, so porn is rape. lol

forgottensoul · 2013-09-24T08:45:08+00:00

Honestly, if a woman's judgement is compromised if she's had a single sip of alcohol, we should totally ban women from drinking alcoholic beverages. This way, they can feel safe when they're out around men.

Thorsvald · 2013-09-23T04:52:43+00:00

They didn't specify men in the article - it was worded in such a way that made rape culture everyone's problem, not just a men's issue. Come on now. If there's one thing we can all agree on, it's that things like the "Y.O.U.N.G." chant and songs like Blurred Lines and the existence of "rape culture" on college campuses is unacceptable and needs to be changed.

The_McAlister · 2013-09-22T22:04:51+00:00

Here is an exercise for you. Remove women from the question entirely. The scenario is drinking, roofies, and a male victim.

Imagine I'm watching this.

Would you think it cool for me to do nothing? I doubt it. How about if I refuse to testify at a future trial? Or what if I and the rapists regularly tell jokes involving sodomizing men we don't like? I didn't do anything, so I'm OK, right? Like if I saw someone robbing your house and didn't call the police or come over to testify when the police came by after. Nothing but inaction on my part. I can't do wrong if I don't do anything ... right?

As someone paraphrased below, not being a criminal isn't enough. He was being sarcastic but he said something completely true. If you want to be anything approaching a decent person then you have to do more than that. I have friends that have lived in places where people don't call or talk to the police when they witness crimes and those places are shitty hellholes for shitty people that decent folk want nothing to do with. Now he lives someplace decent where if you forget to lock the door it doesn't matter and windows don't need bars.

If you have one set of behaviors for witnessing every crime except rape, but flip out when asked to behave the exact same way when observing rape ... then you are a pretty shitty person.

DaytimeJunkie · 2013-09-22T18:56:15+00:00

Is the point of men's rights to deny complicity in sexism, or rather point out that feminist critique is not universal?

Just because you do not do sexist things doesn't mean that sexism is not a massive and substantive problem.

A few days ago there was a post where women held signs of things that men had said to them while they were being raped. What defines sexist violence is that such a collection of images is relatively simple to manage. Which events of equal weight can be produced for men's rights?

Everyone has problems, everyone is generalized about. These are not men's problems, these are human problems. When someone critiques rape and the attendant culture they are attacking a particular problem. To attack being generalized about is not.

MorsoesTorso · 2013-09-22T19:56:42+00:00

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iggybdawg · 2013-09-22T20:51:04+00:00

Why don't you comment on the article there on its own site?

2013-09-22T18:40:06+00:00

Lol. Her name is Gaye

Offensive_Brute · 2013-09-22T19:31:37+00:00

why would I stop anyone from raping a woman who isnt mine? If she isn't kin to me or otherwise under my protection, then I owe her nothing, and would never interfere with a good ole boy getting his jollies just because you think I should.

Title	“We’re calling you out.” An article from my university that calls on men to not only stop raping, but to stop letting other men rape women.
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Date	September 22, 2013 2:23 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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