"13 year old boy raped by wrestling coach's sons. Community turns against rape victim. Father is driven out of his job as k-12 Principal. They wore t-shirts to school supporting the rapists"

MCRiviere · 2013-06-24T06:47:04+00:00

See I honestly wish shit like this would hit national news and they'd actually cover it correctly and not give a half-assed interview.

jasmineca · 2013-06-24T08:12:23+00:00

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Stratisphear · 2013-06-24T08:56:42+00:00

See, the issue is that the older people don't realize how serious this is. They think bullying means a punch in the shoulder and some teasing. They don't realize it means rape. I believe that some teasing is natural and just what kids do, but this is way too far.

AlexReynard · 2013-06-24T08:58:44+00:00

So when is Norwood going to become as common a name as Steubenville?

I've been in arguments recently with people who staunchly defend the idea of rape culture. But only as it affects women. They talk about how society normalizes and encourages sexual violence against women. But they're utterly blind to the fact that every single one of their claims affects male victims more. Victim blaming? Affects male victims more. Feeling like they won't be believed? Affects male victims more. Being made to feel invisible? Affects male victims more. Seeing public support for their rapists? Affects male victims more.

The feminists who believe in rape culture have no sense of proportion. When a minority of people treat female rape victims badly, that is what they will magnify and shout about, ignoring the vast majority of society who will do almost anything to support a female rape victim. But when the majority opinion on male rape is that the victim is either lucky, deserved it, or it's fucking hilarious, feminists are willfully blind to it.

edit: I wrote 'victims' where I meant 'rapists'. Feck.

Phototoxin · 2013-06-24T09:56:58+00:00

I hope the boy and his family sue them into ruination.

Ding_batman · 2013-06-24T08:41:01+00:00

The poor boy was raped. The school board should hang their heads in shame, and then be removed.

giegerwasright · 2013-06-24T10:22:15+00:00

Man, look at that. All those feminists that were up in arms about Steubenville are here supporting this poor kid...

oh wait. No they aren't. Working on it, indeed.

oneiorosgrip · 2013-06-24T11:34:09+00:00

This really needs to be directly compared to Steubenville, because there are several parallels, beginning with the fact that both victims were penetrated without legal consent, and there are some important contrasts, beginning with the fact that the Norwood rapists had full, unquestionable knowledge that they didn't have their victim's consent at the time of the rape.

The Steubenville incident has been held up as evidence of rape culture because the boys didn't think they were committing a crime, and those in the community who heard just their side of the story agreed with them. What does that say about Norwood, where the boys obviously knew they were assaulting another boy in a way that was humiliating, painful, invasive, and intimate... and afterward, the community rallied around the perpetrators?

The Steubenville rape was prosecuted as a felony. The Norwood rape, which was more physically violent, more immediately traumatic, just as humiliating and degrading, and just as much a violation of the victim, was prosecuted as a misdemeanor.

According to the Steubenville verdict, it's a felony to have sex with your girlfriend while she's passed out drunk... but according to the Norwood verdict, it's only a misdemeanor to physically hold a boy down and rape him.

Steubenville faced national outrage over its response. Norwood hasn't received much outside attention at all. Community outrage is expected by the general public of the U.S. when a rape victim is female, such that there is moral outrage when tolerance occurs, instead. Community outrage is not similarly expected when the victim is male. There has been no national outrage... not even national attention.

If there is a rape culture in the United States, this is it... in the response - and lack of response - to sex crime victimization of boys and men.

kinyutaka · 2013-06-24T10:49:06+00:00

High-school hazing and bullying used to involve name- calling, towel-snapping and stuffing boys into lockers.

I graduated in 1991 (holy shit I am so fucking old....). My sophomore year we had a scandal where a bunch of wrestlers put icy/hot in a kids jock strap.

So I won't agree that things have changed. But for the life of me I can't wrap my head anymore around why a kid would want to touch another kids jockstrap or put a pencil up another kids ass.

FWIW: The wrestling coach got tossed out of school on his ass. To the best of my knowledge his teaching career was over. The kid that had this thing happen to him was unable to escape abuse from the incident. Just like the story here, the kid in my school was blamed for the firing of the wrestling coach. He eventually had to transfer out of my High School to another High School.

2013-06-25T04:06:00+00:00

Holy shit all the people in this thread blaming feminists for this. What the fuck is that? All these claims that feminists don't care about this or think this is okay are huge strawmen and they're burning like a wildfire.

FEMINISTS DIDN'T RAPE THIS BOY AND AREN'T THE REASON THE MEDIA IS NOT COVERING THIS AS MUCH AS STEUBENVILLE FFS.

Maybe if some of you made this more well known instead of sitting here whining about feminists it might get some more traction than the pitiful coverage it has now? God knows I only found out about this because I was linked to the sub for something totally unrelated.

Lawtonfogle · 2013-06-24T11:33:50+00:00

"13 year old girl raped by wrestling coach's sons. Community turns against rape victim. Father is driven out of his job as k-12 Principal. They wore t-shirts to school supporting the rapists"

It should be reposted like this to r/news and lets see how people react.

tyciol · 2013-06-24T08:30:40+00:00

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atlantagonist · 2013-06-24T19:30:06+00:00

This is the worst thing I have heard about in a long time. I wrestled my entire life and I am almost ashamed to say I support the sport. I'm sending hella good vibes to the victim and his family. This is fucking terrible.

Nomenimion · 2013-06-24T17:15:00+00:00

Assuming we believe the story, then why are we whining about what feminists will or won't do? A story about a child being RAPED is posted here, and the majority response is about Steubenville, feminists, and female rape victims.

Does anybody else see how fucked up this is?

Maybe WE should do something instead of obsessing over women who have nothing to do with this case?

Little_Baby_Jesus · 2013-06-24T13:51:18+00:00

I can't help but think this story would be much bigger in the news if it was a girl getting sodomized with pencils.

TravtheCoach · 2013-06-24T15:11:48+00:00

I'm not sure this should be a men's rights issue as much as a human rights issue. Sure, the media would probably be covering this much more strongly if they had stuck a pencil in a female student's ass, then harassed her family, but things like this shouldn't happen to anyone - male or female.

pure_nonsense · 2013-06-24T15:59:29+00:00

This is disgusting!
I can't even imagine why people are blaming the victim in ANY rape case, girl or boy. I feel like this should be in /r/news .

UninformedDownVoter · 2013-06-24T16:33:07+00:00

I was saying during the Steubenville uproar that it isn't that rapists are applauded or some shit like everyone was saying. No! It is an insipid toxic culture of high school sports hero worship that was the real problem.

The fuckers can almost get away with anything because they play sports well.

JimmyTheIntern · 2013-06-24T09:46:48+00:00

The lesson I want MRAs to take away from this, as a man who was a boy in a small town, is that things are worse on the fringe where nobody can see you and nobody even pretends to care. Those who refuse to conform and submit are ridiculed and ostracized. You probably won't even hear about it unless the boy is sodomized, too.

This is the end result when out society insists on stripping masculinity of value while providing no strong male role models, forcing boys to adapt without guidance; violent, sexual hazing rituals act as a crude primal substitute for honorable male identity and group status.

Honestly, the simplest solution to this problem is realizing that educating children is the parents' responsibility and putting an end to the school system. Government indoctrination and forced obedience to female masters from an early age is destroying this generation of men and taking down our civilization with them.

2013-06-24T11:26:53+00:00

This is how feminism enables rape. Because according to all of the feminist-funded "studies" male rape victims don't even exist.

Nomenimion · 2013-06-24T14:03:06+00:00

What can we do to help? Anonymous helped Jane Doe in the Steubenville case, what can be done to help John Doe get laws changed, or at least turn this into a national conversation?

Instead of sitting here and behaving as if there's nothing we can do against whatever and having debates over the internet we could be actively helping.

cutcoguru · 2013-06-24T15:19:56+00:00

For anyone interested in using the town's own social media profile against it, the town's facebook page is getting hammered: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Norwood-Colorado/61438061037

conspiracy_thug · 2013-06-24T15:46:56+00:00

its shit like this that leads up to a school shooting.

kinyutaka · 2013-06-24T16:07:26+00:00

Who the fuck thinks it's normal to hold down a younger boy and shove a piece of rebar up his ass? (Separate incident mentioned in article)

ATiredCliche · 2013-06-24T18:41:57+00:00

Slate did an article on this. Opinions? http://www.salon.com/2013/06/24/rape_culture_punishes_boys_too/singleton/

vader32 · 2013-06-24T19:14:01+00:00

this is just sick.

TheReasonableCamel · 2013-06-24T20:12:53+00:00

What the hell? This is messed up

Mashuu225 · 2013-06-25T05:52:15+00:00

This should have been as big as the Steubenville rape.

2013-06-29T08:00:16+00:00

We need to start calling people who live in that town.

Keep it professional to avoid prank calls. Say you are writing a post/blog post or article, and your curious if everyone in the town is a pedophile.

edited for spelling error

Clauderoughly · 2013-06-24T13:53:32+00:00

Can't wait for all the feminists to jump up and start screaming as bad as they did with the stuebenville case !

I mean feminism helps men too right ? /s

Or what will actually happen is feminists won't give a fuck because it is happening to men. They'll just give a hand wave blame of "the patriarchy" and "if the were more feminist, this wouldn't happen" and go back to not giving a fuck.

Theophagist · 2013-06-24T07:42:03+00:00

"He can take it, this is just another case of boys will be boys." - SRS

tectonic9 · 2013-06-24T20:22:52+00:00

Jesus, people. This is not a tool to get competitive with various other scandals. And no, this kid was not raped because of feminists.

It's crappy when PEOPLE get raped. It's crappy when PEOPLE falsely allege rape. It's crappy when PEOPLE with evidence that they were raped get treated badly sometimes.

If you feel especially bad for this kid, fine - help publicize this story. Too late to push for harsher criminal prosecution or anything, but I bet you could donate to help the kid civilly prosecute the school board.

I would imagine that a lot of feminists are looking at this thread, shaking their head and thinking "oh, now that it's a boy the MRAs are on board with the outrage over victim blaming." Sure, sometimes people don't believe accusers. Sure, sometimes accusers lie, and sometimes they just don't have evidence to convict. Accusers should be challenged, and our legal system is designed to try to sort that out. But if this is what it takes to believe that sometimes known victims do get treated badly, you haven't been paying attention to a good point that the other side has been beating into the ground.

PerniciousOne · 2013-06-24T16:00:45+00:00

The biggest worry and issue that I have with this article is that it will lead to many future issues. Since the victim was not offered any support or compassion by the other students, town, and neighbors, instead his family was harassed and derided. This sets a precedent for future issues.

When young males are victimized and marginalized in the future they may turn into violent psychopaths and enact retribution against the people and system who abjectly refused to protect them.

Sarstan · 2013-06-24T17:15:03+00:00

While little research has been done on boy-on-boy sexual hazing, almost 10 percent of high school males reported being victims of rape, forced oral sex or other forms of sexual assault by their peers, according to a 2009 study in the Journal of Youth and Adolescence.

What else needs to be said? There's little research done in the area, but everything indicates that this happens. A lot! It'd be nice to see some outrage about raping males for once.

drownthesilent · 2013-06-24T17:37:05+00:00

Why are boys shoving stuff up other boys rectums? Serious question.

ThePigman · 2013-06-25T02:26:18+00:00

I guess the feminists are right, rape is tolerated by American society -- but only when the victim is male.

TheBrownWelsh · 2013-06-24T15:04:19+00:00

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2013-06-24T15:31:44+00:00

Can't be true. Male victims don't get blamed when they're raped.

barbadosslim · 2013-06-24T16:16:21+00:00

Almost like some sort of culture of rape, or rape culture, if you will.

youshallhaveeverbeen · 2013-06-24T14:38:20+00:00

Dude, fuck EVERYONE in this thread talkin' about "WHERE ARE THE FEMINISTS WHEN THIS KIND OF THING HAPPENS"

A LOT OF ya'll are playing the blame game and pointing fingers rather than proactively coming up with a solution to STOP this kind of thing from happening to people of ALL genders. Shut the fuck up about Feminism for just long enough to realize there was a victim here. Someone who had something done to him and a town that imploded on him thinking it was his fault. This 13 year old CHILD had something happen to him and I'd be willing to wager that for the longest time that he was as fault.

You guys need to consider that there is a victim that had his life forever change by some shit that was out of his control. STOP BLAMING

Nomenimion · 2013-06-24T13:45:42+00:00

You know, if you're going to complain about idiots enabling women who falsely accuse men of rape, you have to be skeptical every time an unsubstantiated claim is made.

You can't have a different set of rules, just because the "victim" is a male.

TheLeaderGrev · 2013-06-24T06:03:14+00:00

Out of question - how is this a Men's Rights thing? This just seems like a common human decency issue.

Edit: thanks everyone. The downvotes certainly answered my question.

Nomenimion · 2013-06-24T19:35:13+00:00

So look.. I have to ask this question.

What is causing this increase in sodomy? Why is this happening more than ever at this particular time in our country's history?

I think personally it has a lot to do with the visibility and social agency of homosexuals. I am not blaming homosexuals for the issue but I do think that the visibility of this lifestyle is causing a lot of confusion in young boys and men.

Does anybody have a better explanation for this kind of behavior is becoming more prominent? I don't believe it's just being reported more. I have a real hard time believing that 50 years ago this kind of thing was occurring.

BeatDigger · 2013-06-24T19:43:10+00:00

ITT: People who are more upset that this is getting less coverage than the Steubenville case. Not as many upvotes for comments about actually feeling sorry about the victim. Never let a good tragedy go to waste, MensRights.

blob209 · 2013-06-24T11:45:15+00:00

What? Just.... What?

Bohica69 · 2013-06-24T14:36:01+00:00

Sue the coach and the school district.

Hypersapien · 2013-06-24T15:27:21+00:00

If this shit keeps going on, sooner or later someone's going to get shot. With all the reports the article talks about, I'm shocked it hasn't happened already.

Clausewitz1996 · 2013-06-24T17:24:58+00:00

To everyone talking about how this isn't getting the same attention as Stubenville: Do you know how many r@pe cases there are at any given time? How many men, women and children are ignored by the national scene, simply because there too many of them to report?

Nomenimion · 2013-06-24T16:05:21+00:00

The students, town, and neighbors were right not to believe the unsubstantiated allegations. Unfortunately, their doubt probably had more to do with knowing the accused than with skepticism as a matter of principle.

There is currently a tidal wave of false abuse accusations in this country, which is largely responsible for the decline of men. The ONLY answer to this is to apply strict skepticism to every claim of abuse, whether it comes from a male or a female.

To condemn those who do the only sane thing--doubting a rape accusation--is contemptible, and anathema to everything the MRM is supposed to stand for.

My fear is that the American people have already lost, to the false accusers and their pathetic enablers. The lessons of Duke have been forgotten.

2013-06-24T18:03:56+00:00

TIL there's a gayer sport than football

oogeej · 2013-06-24T14:00:32+00:00

Remember the good old days, when kids would just beat the shit out of each other?

tyciol · 2013-06-24T10:39:08+00:00

At the state high-school wrestling tournament in Denver last year, three upperclassmen cornered a 13-year-old boy on an empty school bus, bound him with duct tape and sodomized him with a pencil.

Just to be fair here: how do we know this actually happened? What was the evidence supporting this story?

Wearing t-shirts to support the "perpetrators" and telling someone you think is lying to "go to hell" isn't necessarily wrong if you are assuming the accused are innocent until proven guilty.

More than 40 high school boys were sodomized with foreign objects by their teammates in over a dozen alleged incidents reported in the past year, compared with about three incidents a decade ago

The main issue here is these are 'alleged' incidents. I guess I'm inclined to think many accusations true since it doesn't seem like something you'd make up, considering how damaging it is to male identity to be raped (unlike female identity, you might be 'impure' but you're still feminine) but we should still be neutral here and not assume it did without convincing evidence.

little research has been done on boy-on-boy sexual hazing, almost 10 percent of high school males reported being victims of rape, forced oral sex or other forms of sexual assault by their peers

I found this an interesting statement. The study says 'peers' but they try and paint this as boy-on-boy even though peers means these stats could also include being victims of rape or forced oral sex from girls.

In at least four cases of sodomy hazing last year, the coach or supervising teacher was alleged to have known about it, ordered it, witnessed it or laughed about it, according to police reports and court filings.

Again: alleged. It's always possible, but it's also possible that rather than a maniacal coach and a mass homosexual rape culture in team sports we might just have one dishonest student in a distraught and alienated state trying to damage them. We need more than allegations.

At Maine West High School in Des Plaines, Ill., a Chicago suburb, varsity soccer players allegedly "rewarded" new teammates by holding them down and sodomizing them with sticks and their fingers, while coaches did nothing to intervene, according to court documents and police reports

They pretty this up with "according to court documents/police reports" but this is still only an allegation.

Aliens have also abducted human beings, according to police reports.

After witnessing an attack on a 16-year-old in July, varsity coach Michael DiVincenzo allegedly congratulated the victim and asked him "if it was all good," according to a police report. During a freshman drill, he was alleged to have told players they would be sodomized by the varsity team if they failed to communicate effectively, according to a police report.

Holy fucking hell. Why does this even get published? Why does the Denver Post laud itself like this:

Nobody would help us," said the victim's father, who asked not to be named to protect his son's privacy. Bloomberg News doesn't identify victims of sexual assault.

They don't identify 'victims' (they don't add 'alleged' there, do they?) but they splatter Michael DiVincenzo's name all over the paper in association with leading a gang rape even though all they can present to support that is an allegation. I really don't understand the logic here.

Doug I wonder if the title of this thread is misleading, do we know that the wrestling coach's sons actually raped the principal's son? Are we keeping an open mind that the real victim here might actually be the accused, and that the real aggressor here might actually be a liar?

Maine West, whose board voted to fire DiVincenzo, has cooperated fully with the investigation and hired a former U.S. attorney who cleared the district's handling of the matter, said David Beery, a spokesman.

This is a fucking travesty here. The guy is accused, denies guilt, no proof of guilt is given, and the school district can just fire him? They should be sued.

three older and bigger boys pinned the younger boy down, bound him with the tape, pulled down his pants and assaulted him, according to the principal.

How would the principal know? How do we know he isn't making this up? How do we know his son wasn't making it up?

the principal's older son heard the attackers laughing about the assault on his brother and told his father.

How do we know the older brother wasn't making it up? How do we know the "attackers" weren't just lying? Sometimes guys might just say shit like "we poopered your bro with a pencil" as a means of trolling, rather than admitting an act.

He then confronted Harris, the head coach, who at first said nothing had occurred, according to the father. In subsequent conversations, Harris said: "This happens 1,000 times a day around the U.S.," the principal recalled.

Which is no admission of guilt. At most the coach would be allowing for the possibility of something occurring when he wasn't watching, rather than irrationally denying the possibility, but that is NOT the same thing as confirming it.

Superintendent David Crews imposed a one- day, in-school suspension on the three boys accused of the assault.

What a load of shit, students should not receive suspensions on the basis of mere accusations. Course that's probably common practice in schools.

"They would say, 'What's been stuck up your butt today?"' said his mother. "Things were posted on Facebook, like 'Rot in hell, liar!"'

Neither of which confirm the attack actually happened. These are irrelevant to analyzing the case.

The police sent investigators to Norwood and on April 23 they arrested the three boys, charging them as juveniles with kidnapping, sexual assault and false imprisonment

Are we really at the state where people can be arrested and charged based on just an accusation? If they're not found guilty, will they be compensated for their time?

The victim told investigators he didn't understand why his friends would support people who attacked him.

Probably because they didn't think they attacked anyone?

This paper is biased as fuck saying 'the victim, the victim' over and over again. It's the same shit that happens whenever there's rape accusations going on. Always 'alleged attacker' but never 'alleged victim'. Pro tip: if it turns out the person was merely an alleged attacker and not an actual attacker, it does mean that the victim was merely an alleged victim and not an actual victim.

If we aren't going to confirm aggression, we should not confirm harm. Both are conditional. Saying 'alleged' is appropriate here since both things are in the alleged area.

Later if we confirm, we can upgrade alleged attacker to confirmed attacker, and alleged victim to confirmed victim.

Later that year, one of the accused students pleaded guilty to sexual contact without consent; the other two pleaded guilty to third-degree assault. They received varied sentences that included probation, community service and restitution of about $2,500 apiece.

I'm still wondering why they pled guilty though. Did they think they were going to lose and perhaps pressured into signing a plea bargain? Does this mean they actually did it?

cleetdog101 · 2013-06-24T11:19:29+00:00

That sux. Mass revenge based ass rapings would be fine about now.

bravado · 2013-06-24T16:18:19+00:00

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2013-06-24T17:05:10+00:00

What the actual fuck!?

Nomenimion · 2013-06-24T15:33:58+00:00

What a bunch of gullible morons. This makes me ashamed to be an MRA.

Nomenimion · 2013-06-24T06:20:28+00:00

If they didn't believe the allegations, they were right to wear those T-shirts!

Stratisphear · 2013-06-24T08:40:59+00:00

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Skelehawk · 2013-06-24T12:32:55+00:00

Seriously America, just blow yourselves up already.

PartlyHeaded · 2013-06-24T14:47:40+00:00

Lmao this is called gadafing tosh.0 started it

Title	"13 year old boy raped by wrestling coach's sons. Community turns against rape victim. Father is driven out of his job as k-12 Principal. They wore t-shirts to school supporting the rapists"
Author	DougDante
Upvotes	1156
Comments	322
Date	June 24, 2013 5:40 AM UTC (13 years ago)
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