Young men today feel they must be six feet tall, make six figures, and have six inches downstairs to get a girlfriend—so many have given up trying

pilotlet · 2023-09-15T03:20:46+00:00

The blackpill comes to tell us that the woman in freedom is the sexual selector,

The fact that women can ask for a 6ft man is because they have enough candidates to filter. 80% of women can claim 20% of men, but curiously, only 1/3 of the population will reproduce.

ShiestyTrackhawk · 2023-09-15T02:58:57+00:00

its one of those things i could ask older guys about and it seems to fly over…not all of you… but in general. People think these claims are exaggerated

MrW0ke · 2023-09-15T02:48:56+00:00

These women are awfully demanding when all they can offer me is something I can easily buy for $200 per hour (or even less if you're not picky on the amount of teeth or number of limbs)

El-Carretero · 2023-09-15T03:46:17+00:00

You know I'm really tired of seeing all these stories and all the women making fun of the men. Yeah it's true, but what everyone is ignoring is that many of those women are blowing their chance with the best men they will ever get.

Now that I'm getting older it's those women that are looking sorry and desperate. Now that they're getting older they ain't hot shit anymore and they wish they would have gotten with one of those guys when she had the chance.

ShiestyTrackhawk · 2023-09-15T02:57:46+00:00

yea man i mean i hear constantly how its my fault and feeling like i’m inferior i mean it’s just a game i’m sick of playing. It’s not worth the headache even if i could achieve these superficial things.

People have a hard time wrapping there head around it when i say i have a hard time not hating women…i’m sure others can relate. It’s not even that i want to hate them. I DON’T However it seems like the edge gets pushed constantly and the goal posts keep moving.

Wtf is a guy supposed to do after he hears 80% of women go for 20% of guys. Like i don’t understand how people can just say this and leave it for “lonely single men” to figure out.

Minimum_Direction_43 · 2023-09-15T04:01:37+00:00

At this point I am just brutally honest with women that match with me or I meet. I expect them to pay their way. I usually express the fact that I go dutch on all dates. Most women are so entitled that they scurry away at the notion of paying their fair share. Equality right?! I just don't care anymore. I am tired of wasting my time on shallow women with no morals, no sense of femininity, entitled and hypocritical. I figure the right one will come along and be ok with paying her fair share and doing her fair share in a relationship.

Diligent_Divide_4978 · 2023-09-15T05:21:23+00:00

It’s ridiculous. I fulfill two of those requirements, but because I’m 5’7 and Asian, the only women who are interested in me are golddiggers.

With those odds it only makes sense to not put too much stock into dating. If it ever comes to divorce grape, I honestly have too much to lose, which is a gift in its own strange way.

DTreatz · 2023-09-15T04:48:31+00:00

Yes and? The numbers support this, their choices support this.

This is why men invented monogamy, because this disparity causes societal collapse (or in the case of the first primitive men, doesn't allow a society to exist in the first place)

Let. Society. Burn.

It's the only way they'll get the memo.

Applejaxc · 2023-09-15T05:25:37+00:00

I make close to $168k/yr. I'm 25 years old, planning to buy a house in the next 6 months, and I can just piss away cash on whatever fun I want to have whenever I want to have it.

I've unironically taken the "they only want you if you have 6 figures" pill so far that now I make too much to care about women anymore. I'm supposed to let someone add drama to my life, try to trap me with a kid or some common law marriage bullshit, just because they're a woman? It's important to me to hurry up and get a house while I'm single that I can completely cover the mortgage and bills for. I am working hard to have a good life and I can't imagine gambling it on the average modern woman.

Cruxito1111 · 2023-09-15T06:52:28+00:00

And the saddest part is that all women get to whore around, have multiple children from different men, hit the wall, convert to christianity, and land a nice guy who is gonna take care of her and the children.

A man can’t do that. You fuck around your early 20s, and waste your 30s, and played the patience game in your 40s, it is unlikely a successful woman will take you. And also, society will punish you and remind you of your failures.

Women can literally do whatever and still be rescue at any given time in their lives. Society encourage women to fuck around, and also, society ingrained in women that whatever bad thing about them is because of men.

Merc_305 · 2023-09-15T05:10:26+00:00

I have two of those and I still don't want the hassle of a relationship

Ok_Text5955 · 2023-09-15T18:12:36+00:00

I've given up trying, but not for any of these reasons...

I've given up because all women do is cause problems, They bring nothing to the table..

Men naturally share their resources, women drain men's resources and when it's gone they move on..

There is no love or loyalty from females..

I've been single for so long, It would be a hindrance to have a girlfriend..

Earth-lover93 · 2023-09-15T02:47:04+00:00

It’s true thou, hence why people are going over seas to find wives. The rest of the world isn’t all about sex and money

Argosy37 · 2023-09-15T04:55:28+00:00

As someone with all of those, my 20's were dead. Finally getting some attention in my early 30's but it is by no means easy. Women want confidence, and confidence comes with experience which I am still working to develop. Additionally, as a man being passive gets you nowhere, unlike with women. You have to actively and aggressively seek a relationship in today's world, which of course comes with risks.

I know as a guy time is on my side and I won't be dating any broken, used up women in their 30's. Unfortunately, per my experience there are plenty of such women in their 20's as well and they're not always easy to identify quickly. I'm skipping online dating as I think it not only a tool for the desperate, but will actively damage you.

cheatcodeztolife · 2023-09-15T08:22:13+00:00

I hate to say it but American women are just getting worse year by year. They give off such masculine energy and demand so much, it’s horrible. Not sure if it’s the feminism and pandering in movies & media these days but I felt it was better 10-15 years ago. Foreign women seem to be much better but unfortunately not all men can afford the trips to go.

ShogunOfNY · 2023-09-15T04:10:27+00:00

then they get older and run out of sh*ts to give

Shreddersaurusrex · 2023-09-15T04:15:10+00:00

A lot of these girls are mid anyway! Way past their prime and you know that UV light destroys their skin.

Veiny_Throbbing_Cock · 2023-09-15T06:36:07+00:00

Guys, why do you see a sudden push in student loan forgiveness rhetoric in politics nowadays ? Because most recipients of student loans are females!

When a problem disproportionately affects women, they expect to be bailed by OUR tax dollars! I say fuck them and let them drown in their debt.

Embarrassed-Tune9038 · 2023-09-15T11:01:32+00:00

Women want a trophy man. There aren't enough trophy men around. Women hardest hit.

TheCloudFestival · 2023-09-15T07:32:09+00:00

“The traditional markers of adulthood like buying a home, completing college, and getting married, are all becoming far harder to achieve,” Carbino said. “Many men perceive themselves to be far less marriageable. And in turn, many women perceive them to be less marriageable, too.”

Ah, I see, so it's actually men's fault that women's high standards are lessening women's chance at marriage.

Worldly-Designer1686 · 2023-09-15T04:47:35+00:00

They have to be if they want to be truly desired and loved .Anyone here has attractive friend? You will know how women treat them even married women 😳😳 do I have the permission to post this on other sub

KrazyJazz · 2023-09-15T04:17:59+00:00

I wonder if the college educated woman who wrote this lamenting (kinda) article would date a blue collar...

OneCanSpeak · 2023-09-15T13:34:27+00:00

I can attest to this through my step daughter. She sends me a long txt msg saying " I hope you understand I want my mom to have the world… & I feel like u can’t give her that." and that " it’s no secret my mom makes more money than you" Meanwhile, she still lives with me rent free since she was 8 years old. Shes 22.

When I met my wife (her mother)she was living in a room w her daughter at her grandmas. 14 years later and 5 houses we now live in a gated 2 car port single family home with a huge yard full of mango trees for the past 4 years in South Florida. My wife and I have 2 younger boys and I work a full time and manage a small business we started 2 years ago. We've been together 14 years.

She last wrote "Unless the response was im wrong and my mom can afford to quit her job today and you got the food and rent 100% then yeah nothing else I really need to hear tbh…"

Her entitlement is off the rails.

edited: clarity

Futureman999 · 2023-09-15T13:48:43+00:00

Author is female, so she wants to write from a perspective of "women today are doing SO MUCH WINNING men don't measure up!!!", but anybody who knows any actual women IRL knows a lot of them have no f*cking clue how to earn a decent living, even if they have an English or psychology BA (typical). So if you meet a random woman, expect her to be low income + probably in debt.

I really think what's driving this problem is not women's "winning" but the now four decade old obesity epidemic. In the US more than 2/3 of adults are overweight or obese, and contrary to popular belief, obesity is not invisible to obese people.

Everybody wants skinny and/or fit partners, so the few relatively slim women on dating apps are swamped with attention and they push their standards to the sky to try to filter the crowd down. Want to be buried in pussy? Be slim and fit, and a fat fetishist.

mpusar · 2023-09-15T21:14:34+00:00

I love how the article blames it on women being more educated and more financially successful instead of the real reasons. Most men aren’t dating women because of the way women are today. They’re not dateable anymore.

mikehawk1988 · 2023-09-15T10:46:05+00:00

My now fourth girlfriend is from Thailand and let me tell you. She's a whole lot different from my previous girlfriends and casual relationships. She respects my hobbies and pretty much everything that makes me unique. She's such a sweet person and she even respects me for being low-energy due to work and stress. Every single of my past relationships made fun of my hobbies or anything that wasn't the typical drinking pina coladas (or Aperol Spritz) at the beach. Instead of taking my energy she actually gives me energy.

TwinkForAHairyBear · 2023-09-15T06:45:42+00:00

Let me offer you some perspective as a gay man. Gay dating is a bit different, but at the same time very similar.

I am a man with pros and cons, like many of us. In certain areas I am average, in certain areas I am above average, in certain areas I am below average.

I mostly have my shit together. I have a job that I like, the job allows me to have a lifestyle that I want, so I guess I am a functional member of the society.

I'd love to be in a relationship. Like most of us, I have sex drive and a need of romance. But I don't want to be in a relationship for the sake of being in a relationship. I'd like someone who improves my life in some way, because relationships, even the really good ones, are a huge fucking effort and an investment of time, money, and energy.

So I open dating apps, and 95% of men just don't excite me. They aren't sexually attractive, their personalities aren't compatible with mine, their lifestyle isn't appealing to me.

And it's not like I'm particularly picky when dating, because when I try making friends in my everyday life, 95% of people are just NPCs. They don't say anything I'd be interested in and they cannot give me anything I'd want. Talking to them is a waste of time. They might see me the same way and that's fine.

So what I do is I try approaching the top 5%. It's not that I'm still naive enough to believe in the fantasy that someone from top 5% would genuinely fall in love with me. It's just that

I'd rather be alone than with someone who isn't in top 5% because maintaining a relationship with 95% of people ends up being net negative

Simple as that. Would you invest your money in something that has negative interest rate just because you want to be an investor? Of course not. So why would anyone do this when dating?

Obviously, a person is a combination of its many features. Looks are nice, just like money and social status, but they're not everything. Would I get into a relationship with someone who's ugly and poor but is a perfect match personality-wise? Absolutely yes! But sad truth is...

it's way easier to get someone from top 5% looks-wise than someone from top 5% personality-wise because those people are scarce as fuck

Looks are simple. There are certain canons of beauty and we subconsciously follow them. But personality is very complex, and being a match with someone personality-wise happens very, very rarely. "We like the same indoors temperature and we watch the same YouTube channels and we both go to sleep at 1AM and attend fashion shows and have same sense of humor and we both support KKK" yeah what are the chances, realistically. It's not going to happen, so at least give me someone who's attractive, because I don't want to be waking up every single day until the end of my life "Jesus fuck why is the window open it's so cold and loud" just because I wanted to be in a relationship at all costs.

So, in conclusion, I cannot find anyone who'd be a good personality match because I have developed my own, unique personality, I can't get an attractive man because those have better options, and I don't think that pursuing a rich man is worth it. Maybe in the future someone who makes me feel excited about next date shows up, but for the time being, I'm single, and I'd rather stay single than be in a relationship that is unsatisfactory.

habbo311 · 2023-09-15T15:15:02+00:00

Just wait 10 more years. The situation is going to rebalance itself and women are going to be extremely unhappy with the final outcome of their social media power grab

StopcryingFistUrself · 2023-09-15T16:22:26+00:00

The perils of listening to what women say. They can't even decide what they want to eat for diner and you're out here taking them at their word on lifelong commitments.

Like I give a fuck what a woman wants. If she's into me cool, if she's not cool. Either way I don't give a fuck about what she says she wants.

Rude_Shock343 · 2023-09-15T03:25:13+00:00

comments on that are a dumpster fire.

WhiteAirforc3s · 2023-09-15T07:04:15+00:00

I’m 5’10, 7+ inches, 6 figures PYR and liquid, own my home outright, own my own car, have zero dependants and am set to inherit -

These are my OLD prospects:

https://reddit.com/u/WhiteAirforc3s/s/fa0aRRUdKm

And yea I’ll put myself on blast too, I’m no brad Pitt but shieeeet….. I’m in shape god damn it 😂 I give myself at least a 5, 6 on a good day https://imgur.com/a/Lwphar2

Wonderful-Mango-5239 · 2023-09-15T07:27:29+00:00

I am 6,2 feet , broad shoulders, 6 incher, white , hunter eyes all that BULLSHIT. I get 0 dates and the times I get a date its fucking horrible and disrespectful. Its just disgusting. Im only 20 and I dont have a car yet, and my own place, and no matter how attractive and confident you are, I just wont impress a girl if I dont drive her in my fancy car at a fancy restaurant and post her on my 4000 follower instagram account. While I am complimented daily on my looks by women, multiple times a day( and its not my mom) , thats nice but other than sex with some average looking junkies , Its impossible to have a relationship, even with the average looking girls.

OmnisEst · 2023-09-15T06:50:37+00:00

6 6 6? Hmm... interesting...

Martamis · 2023-09-15T12:05:02+00:00

And the ones that have those, realize women have trash mindsets and also have given up.

Stardread1997 · 2023-09-15T13:35:18+00:00

Going off the head alone, the things listed above wouldn't make men want to give up. It's the attitude, the lack of thanks, and the, you know, getting out into hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt. Now THAT is why men are giving up

TotalLiftEz · 2023-09-15T14:10:37+00:00

Oh yes, the dating apps effect. Women currently are dating the top 20% of guys. That means that the guys are cheating on their girls like crazy at that level. The problem is, women are willing to sacrifice faithfulness for the listed qualities and clout.

Sadly they will be begging the 80% of guys once they hit 30.

Harrison-Floored · 2023-09-15T16:15:17+00:00

It seems like 80% of young women are seeking a husband/partner/ mate in men who make up less than 10% of the male population. Most of those men are already taken. Guessing that there are going to be huge numbers of single, lonely, frustrated, childless old cat ladies for decades to come.

midwestCD5 · 2023-09-15T11:35:28+00:00

And yet we aren’t allowed to say that we prefer girls who aren’t overweight. That’s “fatphobic”. Also not allowed to not date girls who do OnlyFans and put their naked body on the internet for all to see. Or girls with insanely high body counts, single moms etc etc. ohhh and some people will even say it’s “transphobic” for a straight guy to not want to date someone with a penis and can’t produce a biological baby for them

NotUsedUsernameYet · 2023-09-15T05:06:17+00:00

Article is right, but if you would be a woman would you act differently from how women act today? Every woman I discussed the issue with told me she gets thousands of likes in dating apps - more than she can realistically go on a date with even after filtering. If you would have unlimited access to any type of partner you desire - would it be easy for you to settle? If you would have thousands of partners willing to pay for fun dates and give you gifts - would you want to spend your own money on that? I guess not.

Can women marry the best of the best? Likely no. But do they have to marry at all? They can have it all including great sex, children, money, interesting dates - with different men, never marrying. If I would be a woman (educated, financially secure, good or average looking)- why would I marry at all?

Efficient_Plan_1517 · 2023-09-15T04:34:55+00:00

I am pretty sure my husband doesn't meet any of the criteria (though the one he is farthest off from would be height, at 5'5"). He's amazing though, and I am happy.

What percent of men meet all of those numbers in the US? Like 2%? And of those, you then need to find a man you get along with, you find attractive, etc. Seems impossible.

HapMeme · 2023-09-15T18:04:07+00:00

Dude I think this man have weard standards to , like I see a lot of this guys but they want only the most beautiful girl in the room , to be conservativ but to have money, to like what they like , to be perfect. Yes it's harder to get girls but let's not make it only the woman fault there are 80% of woman who are just fine ,preaty but not perfect that are more than happy to be in a relationship with an avrage guy

SwordfishMiserable78 · 2023-09-15T20:58:34+00:00

You need a perfect straight and long one to impress the ladies. Like OP says, the ladies judge quickly by tallness, wealth, and looks despite complaining of their own problem with “objectivization”. What are you supposed to …not notice a shapely woman? The Material Girl has become the typical girl.

skulldice666 · 2023-09-15T21:38:25+00:00

I have ADHD so I skimmed it, so is it saying men have to be ALL three?

HereBeToblerone · 2023-09-16T03:23:49+00:00

Impossible to not have been blackpilled as a man in 2023. It hits you sooner or later

AishiFem · 2023-09-15T08:45:14+00:00

Ban abortion and sperm donation.

bootyjuicer7 · 2023-09-15T06:12:09+00:00

I feel really bad for my fellow men who feel like this. But please don't take the blackpill. A lot of your shortcomings can be combatted by honing in on strengths that you can actually improve.

I was only blessed with one of the 6's and I couldn't leverage it until women were already interested in me. Extremely average looking man, maybe even a little ugly. 5'9. Came from a poor family. I was heavily bullied in school. Was really non-confrontational, antisocial, no self confidence, weak and afraid.

At 17 I went through some pretty traumatic shit and really started to change as a person. Got heavily tatted up, got fit, learnt how to fight. Got really tired of being punked by people and learnt how to stand my ground. Stopped caring about how people perceived me and always spoke my mind. I started to develop a sense of humor to cope with the trauma. All of these things suddenly made me irresistible to women. I get that a lot of the shit I wrote is the most generic toxic masculinity shit imaginable, but a lot good points can be pulled from it.

Looks maxing. Get fit, get a haircut, good hygiene, get tattoos. Maybe a couple of piercings if you want to emo max like me.
A sense of humor. Imo this is the hardest part. A lot of girls respond differently to different kinds of comedy. Test the waters lightly to see how they feel. Personally I've found dry edgy jokes to work the best. Saying the most fucked up shit with a completely straight face has gotten me a lot of belly laughs from girls. Find your bag, only drop jokes every now and then with good timing. Whatever you say, say it with confidence. Don't try to be funny all the time, you'll end up looking like a clown. One guy who I think succeeds with comedic tone and timing is Jon Zherka on YouTube.
Learn how to communicate. Obviously the best way to improve with this is to talk to people. But I've found watching a shit ton of podcasts to be equally beneficial, because you can rewind a good social interaction infinitely to psychoanalyze what made them laugh there and what made them smile here etc.
You need to have a story, a background, hardships or even trauma. It feels really bad to say it but it's true. Women want a man who has gone through shit and has life experience. I'm not saying you need to go seek out trauma but hardships create character.
Women like bad boys who are good to them. Women want protectors. Learn a combat skill. Boxing or MMA will also be great for your confidence. You need to have an hard exterior but still be compassionate and emotional for her when she needs it.

Do all of that and I promise you will not need any of the 6's to have success with women. Don't give up on dating and stop feeling sorry for yourselves. Do the work and it will pay off.

ShiestyTrackhawk · 2023-09-15T05:29:39+00:00

Not a SINGLE female comment here….

papo4ever · 2023-09-15T06:24:54+00:00

Well you *can* have a girlfriend, but each of those things that you don't have, is a strike, and it's 3 strikes and you are out.

Is not worth to start dating already having 2 strikes.

wilhelmfink4 · 2023-09-15T17:26:47+00:00

Men turn into passport bros, women turn to cats

CascadeDismayed · 2023-09-15T11:22:39+00:00

I like how this sub always conveniently ignores capitalisms role in destroying and exploiting men. Young men are giving up because they can't even afford to try, and that is what should be focused on.

I can barely afford to stay alive. I'm too afraid to even attempt to talk to women these days, and women don't want to be talked to anyway. When I sit around and objectively analyse it, it's capitalism. Due to all the rich people hoarding all the wealth, a person's power is gone. Gone are the days where a person's labour can support a family. The ruling classes want worker ants who service them, live in pods and have no ambition. Capitalism is a cancer that has spread to the nuclear family over the last 20 years or so. It's not something women are doing to men, they too are victims being exploited, and we live on a slave plantation run by sociopaths who exploit us, as is their intended purpose.

I am getting weary of seeing the same posters blaming or even being jealous of some women's position, they are being exploited just like us.

ImportanceValuable96 · 2023-09-16T00:01:30+00:00

"Six inches" you make that sound huge 😂

Minute-Masterpiece98 · 2023-09-15T03:08:45+00:00

The social media might give you that impression but it doesn’t work like that in the real world.

C0UNT3RP01NT · 2023-09-15T14:52:42+00:00

Honestly guys, the solution is to get a hobby.

As a guy, you’re going to date and across and down in your income bracket. That’s fine cause there’s hot poor women and hot rich women. The point is that economic success is out the window as a sure shot to attractiveness.
The height thing only matters if you’re boring and you’re whole personality is your career. It helps if you’re tall, but if you’re not, you’re not doomed to die a virgin.
Dick size don’t matter but knowing how to use it does. Quit porn.
Fitness is important. A 6 pack less so, just put on some muscle. This is the easiest thing to work on.
Women have to deal with higher beauty standards than men when it comes to attracting a mate. It’s kind of their end of the societal contract (though it’s become increasing important in male attractiveness).

So men don’t get an advantage from their economic level anymore. There’s no longer a huge disparity in income levels between the sexes.

So imagine you’re a women. Reasonably attractive, making a decent salary, a woman who doesn’t need a man. What are you gonna look for?

You’re going to look for someone that is at least your equal. Since men have been taught to pursue financial independence, many of us have lost what gives us the edge there. But you know what we can have that still makes us uniquely attractive?

A fucking hobby. I play in a band, I rock climb, I cycle, I go to fucking musicals, and do other fun shit, and that gets you dates. Because it seems like every guy is stuck on this idea that it’s all about a career and their height and their figure, but those really aren’t the only metrics of attraction. It’s an overly simplistic way of reducing attractiveness. So get a hobby, believe in yourself and your own attractiveness first, don’t listen to a god damn word from the nihilistic thoughtvirus that has infected our society, and just go be fun and talk to girls. You’ll get dates!

MembershipWooden6160 · 2023-09-15T03:35:13+00:00

Just another article promoting "incel" stuff to lure more young men to fall for that BS.

Look, first of all that isn't true and it seems mass media wants it to become the norm. Actually, men who "gave up" overwhelmingly aren't incels. They are frequently just "giving up" on what TradCon wants to sell to them and that kind of vision also aligns Feminist agendas - as long as women want to be and stay married. Once they don't, that's when they differ, but at that point Feminists side with Liberals and use yet another set of laws to f*ck up your average Joe again.

So, most guys just don't want to settle for used up hoes riding a cock carousel and trying to score that "jackpot" guy - all the while most of these women are also plain at best.

Women DO start paying attention to "less desirable men as they get older, but what they offer is subpar to what they want. Guys see them as less and less desirable due to giving them less and less options (push for marriage or kids much faster, is bitter and belittling you and is far more prone to go meh on anything a guy does because she's "seen tons of better men" - and guys feel this). These women also come with more and more baggage: kids (maybe even from different fathers), emotional damage, being broke and indebted to a stupid degree she struggles to pay off, no savings, list goes on. It's like dating a floating landmine - so most guys just pump and dump, play around, or if they have a kid they may stick around a bit before leaving by themselves, not waiting for such trainwreck to do it when it suits her with a new upgrade.

The more articles i see like this, the more I see a new paradigm - they figured out that stories about manchild and "you should man up" didn't work out, so they want to f*ck you up in a different way. I don't deny there ARE incels out there, but am seeing through these articles as a new approach to that same issue.

Remember one thing - it's not about what women want - they want one and the same they wanted even 100 years ago. It's about what they can realistically get and that's dependent on what male population offers as a group. They may play the odds to land a jackpot, but there's some reasoning kicking in when they don't and it doesn't happen for years. They may want a guy who makes over $1,000,000 each month in cash, but if only a handful men qualify and they're not looking for anyone, much less her... tough luck! Same goes for height and everything else.

Or, to put it in YOUR perspective.... there are so many men who would wish a 19 y/o, top model, virginal woman who is also looking for a serious relationship at that age and to start a family. Let me tell you, bro - I can search for such woman all over Boston and I won't find her. Women in Boston want to go to college, want to travel the world, enjoy life and have boyfriend(s) and try things out, then they wish to settle when they're 30+ and start a family. Those who end up pregnant and become teen moms are generally some of the worst trainwrecks you'll meet, so you don't even wish to be with such women. Men generally DON'T want to start a family with woman who's over 30+, especially one they just met and it will take years to get to know her good enough to want to have family with her... that is IF that guy wants to stick around and participate in their children's lives. And there are also other things men don't want, but an average woman in Boston will have these other undesirable traits as well. Even at 30+, women may NOT plan to have a guy stick around for too long, including the guy they get pregnant with, they may only wish him around until he suits her expectations at that moment. You may say "try your luck elsewhere" and point out to "passport bros", but you're missing the point. This is what society generates so you're playing against norms if you try to emulate some "norm" from 1923. US men also had their parents tell them whom to marry some 200 years ago as well. You don't see people go in India where such norm is still prevalent - because people in US changed as well. In other words - men have changed in a way where they deliberately behave in a way they behave because it suits what THEY want and generates best outcome for them for best personal investment. To put this in a context of that article - when your average guy reads things like "6 feet only" or "don't superlike me if you're ugly because I have other suitors", he may either NOT wish to have anything in common with her, OR, as is common in numerous dating platforms, he will just swipe right and remember this b1tchy attitude so even if she tries to make something out of it, he'll make sure to dip his pride in her, have a good time, but he'll never take her seriously.

Professional_Drive · 2023-09-16T01:48:38+00:00

It’s all BS. These factors. I know short guys who are getting beautiful women, and I know middle-class women choosing to settle with poor men.

These societal preferences are just a facade. What really matters is that you love each other for what’s inside.

RennietheAquarian · 2023-09-15T03:59:04+00:00

I understand having preferences, but some people choose to be nasty towards those who’s are not their preference. I’ve seen men be nasty towards women who are not their preference and seen women be nasty towards men who are not their preference.

IAmDefinitelyNotFBI · 2023-09-15T08:03:49+00:00

I'm a bit confused by the replies? Are women not allowed to have standards? Sorry but no one is forcing me to fuck some fat hairy jobless woman.

FerrousDestiny · 2023-09-15T13:03:17+00:00

If you believe this you are dumb, sorry.

syopest · 2023-09-15T06:16:39+00:00

Showcasing these kinds of articles as a big issue in mens rights explains very well why people think advocating for mens rights is a joke.

spaghetticorndog · 2023-09-15T14:54:38+00:00

Y’all are letting the internet take over your lives.

inaroom · 2023-09-15T14:56:54+00:00

So, they are poor, unattractive, and dont have massive cocks, yet feel like they should have every woman they want falling at their feet? Wake the fuck up. Its always been this way. Women do NOT have to select men they dont feel attracted to, and neither do men. Sorry, if you are not hung, sexy as fuck and rich as shit, you lucked out - deal with it and get a personality - usually overrides most of the negative shit about you. Growing up is usually a good start to finding a nice girl and not some dumb bint on tic tok.

twistedcheshire · 2023-09-15T03:57:31+00:00

They should quit watching porn as often as they do?

I'm not 6', and I'm close to 6", but I have a partner and have for 13 1/2 years.

Oh, and I'm gay, so double the standards on that.

rabel111 · 2023-09-15T04:40:26+00:00

Swipe left

dankmemezrus · 2023-09-15T09:39:20+00:00

God bless this woman for writing this

Cotehill · 2023-09-15T11:44:27+00:00

Get away from dating apps and only focus on girls you meet irl. Work on yourself solely and forget about chasing women if it’s not something you perceive you have the ability to overcome.

You will hit your stride in your 30s as long as you keep physically fit and set up your life. Chasing after and Spending money on women early in life will guarantee many men do not meet their goals.

Achieving your goals will naturally lead to a better lifestyle - where women will naturally notice you. But it’s no guarantee.

Only thing men can do is focus on what they can influence, not on what they have zero control over. And never put yourself in a position where a poisonous person can screw you over. Go your way.

LitreOfCockPus · 2023-09-15T12:40:31+00:00

Is there an equiva/ent for dames?

randonumero · 2023-09-15T13:27:15+00:00

My big takeaway from a lot of this is that the majority of guys need to get off dating apps. Dating apps, give 99% of the power to women. If you do opt to use dating apps then I'd say pay a consultant to help your profile because that's what's attracting women.

For the rest of men I'd say find some hobbies and approach women in real life. There's a psychological effect of having a man in front of you that works in the man's benefit. Beyond that, work on improving your social circle. As much as people ignore it, many women don't have success finding relationships with dating apps. That means you have a lot of women with artificially high standards they'll drop for a guy pre-selected by their social circle.

There's always been an "elite" few men who have zero problem knocking down women. This has generally been ball players, actors, rich guys...Now that pool of men has gotten broader but it's really the same outcome. Most women grow tired at some point and want a relationship. Many of those women rationalize that they won't get one of those "top" guys or the realize just how basic many of those men are.

In the same way many women in my generation (I'm 40) were swayed by women in the generation before talking about sexual liberation, independence...I think many in my daughter's generation will be swayed back by all the women my age talking about the pain of being pumped and dumped, what a good man actually is, how being an independent boss lady doesn't mean shit when you're alone at 50...

I guess what I'm saying for us average men is to don't feel hopeless. I won't lie and say that if you find hobbies and ways to enjoy life that women will follow but at least you'll be living an awesome life that you enjoy. That's something that's universally attractive

Fluffy_History · 2023-09-15T13:37:52+00:00

Should be a comma so and many.

Ronniebbb · 2023-09-15T14:08:23+00:00

I thin social media is the biggest issue for men and women and the standards we view society has for us. Social media attacks men and women from a young age telling them all this shit and conditioning us we need to think a certain way about our sex and the opposite sex.

Really while social media is great for connecting with family across a country or seas, it needs to go out the window, it's don't far more harm than good

krafterinho · 2023-09-15T15:45:15+00:00

The sad part is that it isn't true. Some genuinely don't know, while some use it as an excuse instead of taking responsibility

TracyMorganFreeman · 2023-09-15T17:55:11+00:00

As someone who is all 3, that's not enough for a lot of women too.

I think the very deluge of options women have leads then to think something better is always around the corner.

short_dude5ft3in · 2023-09-15T18:08:02+00:00

This should NEVER bother anyone. Focus on yourselves and make the best version of man you can be.

Then go to Asia, Africa, S.America to find more traditional woman who may see the value in you. Leave Western women as playthings for the Chads and Tyrones. That is not to say that all western women. But filtering them is near to impossible and the risks are too high.

In addition, NEVER become captain-save-a-hoe.

ThwartBunskjold · 2023-09-15T20:28:54+00:00

Good. Natural selection is working, the unfit are culling themselves.

Fit424 · 2023-09-15T23:22:54+00:00

Six inches? I have never heard any woman say six inches as the minimum expected length. The shortest I've ever heard was 7, and it's usually more than that. Oddly though, I've known women who found 8 painful too, so maybe there are a lot of shallow vagina women answering polls :)

> No, I'm not saying I was the 8 resulting in painful sex for a woman because *gay*, but wondering if 6 is plenty in the M4M dating pool, asking for a friend. <

NeoNotNeo · 2023-09-16T00:23:41+00:00

The orgasm delusion.

GlassHalfFull132 · 2023-09-16T00:51:59+00:00

Good article. However, no new information here

queenAlexislexis · 2023-09-16T03:21:03+00:00

I’m 5’0 and 115lbs

NoDecentNicksLeft · 2023-09-17T12:08:55+00:00

In order to be fair, we sometimes must exercise our brains to play the 'devil's advocate' — especially if the other side of the debate is very far from being the devil.

In my experience, 6' height, 6-digit salary and whatnot is not the requirements or expectations of a well-rounded family-minded, partnership-minded, friendship-with-her-man-minded woman, who might perhaps not be as physically attractive or in some ways socially attractive as her differently-minded counterparts, and here we're probably getting close to the crux of the issue.

Just like a woman can't have both the mythical alpha and the prince charming — unless she's to have two different men — because their traits are practically (praxeologically) if not absolutely logical exclusive, so a man faces the choice between the greater physical attractiveness and the greater mental and emotional compatibility with a woman. At some point you have to make a choice, and that choice, not to strike a pathetic chord, defines what you are or how serious you are about it.

Much depends on what women we choose to associate with and focus our attention on. Although we may not like this, the choice has much to say about our character, personality and priorities. We ask the women to have a look in the mirror, and rightly, but we must also look into a mirror of our own. Not even to lead by example (let alone any other notion going in the 'white knight' direction) but simply to practice what we preach and be logically consistent.

Personally, I can't not have compassion for men who are not 6' (I am), who are not jacked (I'm not), who don't make 6 figures (I don't, at least not in dollars/euros/pounds or any other similarly rated currency), who are not community leaders, nor eminent in their academic/professional/whatever fields, fail to be in the top 10% or whatever. But, by the same token and for the same reasons, I can't not have compassion for those women who essentially face the same problem of being average in terms of physical or social attractiveness and struggling to attract attention in a society whose attention spans are not exactly known for length.

We need to prioritize the women who have the 'right' mindset' — or one compatible with our own (which raises the question of exactly what our mindset it, which is a fair question to ask) — and deprioritize the women whose mindset isn't that.

Besides, chasing the women with the problematic mindsets — such as entitled combined with immaturity — is suicidal if one is seeking for a family or romantic relationship. And if one is looking for a short adventure and choosing the women for their 'hot' looks alone, then one doesn't have a leg to stand on when arguing for traditional values or anything to do with a moral ground, and it's pot calling the kettle black.

Having said the above, I've been in the situation where women of comparable height (allowing the average gap), wealth, education, social status, physical attractiveness, etc. won't look at you, or won't look at you twice, or will take a long and hard look and decide they're aiming higher. That sucks and makes you (or me at least; I'm leaning HSP myself) feel awful. But, if we take a sober, level-minded, logical look on things, those aren't compatible folks for a relationship with me, so I gotta look elsewere.

… And my point is, we, meaning men, really need to show some consistency and resolve, individually and collectively, and make sure our choices and our behaviours match with our professed principles; that we have our priorities straight not only in theory but also in action, and that we aren't prioritizing 'action' if what we are seeking is e.g. a mutually supportive and respectful relationship with a person who's capable of having one. In other words, we need to direct our attention accordingly and stop giving it to the wrong women. (Wrong for ourselves specifically.)

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