Masculinity is shamed while femininity is celebrated

AchingAmy · 2026-01-22T04:19:12+00:00

You didn't really argue your title in this at all. In fact, you gave reason for masculinity to be celebrated, rather than arguing how the title is true and just expect us to take it as a given or something

But, anyway. I'll debate with the more substantive parts of what you wrote in the text.

they can't compete with us physically

"Physically" can include a lot of things. In terms of strength, sure, that's true on average. But expand to other physical things like flexibility, age of mortality, susceptibility to illnesses and getting more severe symptoms, being born with genetic defects(two X chromosomes protect against chromosomal-based genetic illnesses), women have the physical advantages in those areas.

and mentally. Take even a sport like chess, men still dominate it so they resort other ways to defeat us to quench their jealousy.

Chess is really not a good measure for this. There have been many historical barriers to women being involved in that, including a lot of hostility and misogyny. The truth of the matter is that fewer women choose to play chess, sometimes due to knowing that's how they'll be treated, or do worse because of stereotype threat. Since you used chess as an example, I'll assume by "mentally" you mean logically? This is simply not supported by empirical evidence. For general cognitive abilities there is no statistically significant difference between women and men. There are differences when looking at specific areas, though. In some specific areas of intelligence women outperform and in some men outperform. There is also no sigifnicant difference in neuroimaging between women and men for areas of the brain associated with reasoning.

It is interesting though, that this woman thought more logically and critically by going to empirical evidence regarding all this whereas you didn't provide any evidence for your claims. Also, your post didn't logically follow from the title as I pointed out earlier.

Edit:

Oh, and I suppose I should specify I'm not intending to define women or men by having XX and XY chromosomes respectively in this comment nor comments after this one. But it is true most women have two X chromosomes and most men have xy.(Obviously I don't believe in defining womanhood off of having two x chromosomes as a woman likely with xy chromosomes as I'm a trans woman). But it still is applicable for the averages and most of the people of those genders for that reason since like over 95% of women would have two x chromosomes and same for men with xy.

Lenovo_Driver · 2026-01-22T04:32:17+00:00

Why are Dan and Joe peak masculine examples to you?

The only reasons you gave is that they have a thick beard and chiseled body.. that’s interesting in itself..

But I’m pretty sure most men don’t think that way, nor do I think most men follow them for these reasons.

LawfulnessSuper5091 · 2026-01-22T04:06:14+00:00

Oh he's a real man that one, kicking girls in the face and going full throttle anti semite conspiracist.

Yeah, masculinity, womens hate it.

Routine-Present-3676 · 2026-01-22T04:20:52+00:00

Brother, it sounds like the only thing stopping you from being and feeling masculine is yourself.

cheesecakepiebrownie · 2026-01-22T03:59:28+00:00

Strong alpha men like dan blitzerian etc are peak masculine examples,

That's not general masculinity it's toxic masculinity which is how men with low self-esteem "perform" masculinity in order to receive external validation

AlarmingArm9919 · 2026-01-22T03:54:44+00:00

who is telling men they can't be masculine

Lemon_gecko · 2026-01-22T05:53:12+00:00

"a sport like chess, men still dominate it so they resort other ways to defeat us to quench their jealousy." - like what? Throw figures from the board? What do you mean?

"a positive role models for many men like me. But we are criticised for following them." - who decides what a positive role model is? Like what makes them positive? And i have no idea about those guys, i don't follow them, so i can't really judge here, but 1) it's internet, everyone is being criticized 2) maybe people who do that don't agree that those men are "positive role models". It's your feelings against theirs and you have no more power there than them, meaning it's not like if you decide it's positive all other opinions become wrong.

"If the peak of women is to be feminine then why aren't men be allowed to be masculine?" - well i would assume because among manosphere (since that's your bubble) they really want/like submissive women. And to them femininity is submissiveness. They don't really celebrate anything more.

Then outside of your bubble and inside mine, i don't see either being celebrated. People are just people and their achievements and qualities other people like being celebrated, but nobody is fixed is it masculine or feminine. In feminists spaces the moments when people could step out of harmful gender roles are celebrated. Like men who learned how to communicate and taking care of children. Or women who did achieve something in their careers.

mashedturnip · 2026-01-22T06:03:22+00:00

Aggression, ambition, action, strength, dominance, competitiveness, independence, winning, pride, and material accumulation/validation are all celebrated and rewarded in society, and always have been, with money, status, prizes, fame, admiration, influence and power

Cool-Mixture-4123 · 2026-01-22T04:01:48+00:00

Demonstrative "masculinity " and calling yourself an Alpha male are jokes right? Strutting douchebags with same old same old beards so played out.

Regular fit dude who's fun to be around knows

wyllowysp · 2026-01-22T06:09:30+00:00

If this is true, why is it an insult to say "you throw like a girl"? How about men insulting other men if they do anything feminine, like wear makeup, or even express emotion. Because only women do that right? Why is pink shunned among men because it's feminine, but blue is so loved among everyone?

This has to be a joke.

Ultramontrax · 2026-01-22T05:43:39+00:00

What do you think of feminine men?

nyautism · 2026-01-22T03:55:52+00:00

I’m so sure this is bait

Gravel_Roads · 2026-01-22T04:12:58+00:00

Which parts?

“Submissiveness” and child-like perpetual teenagerhood? (That’s what some people associate with femininity.)

I see a lot more people value things like strength, leadership, courage, and dominance, which are commonly associated with masculinity.

xxVelasco · 2026-01-22T05:41:12+00:00

Men who are masculine don't center their masculinity on how others perceive them. And you're criticized for following those guys because they're degenerates.

jorts-enthusiast · 2026-01-22T03:57:32+00:00

Where and how is masculinity shamed?

ohdiddly · 2026-01-22T03:59:49+00:00

Didn’t realise it was Opposite Day today

kalashhhhhhhh · 2026-01-22T09:00:11+00:00

Female interests are openly mocked, people are asceiving moral and psychological descriptions to being penetrated and being the penetrator, with those not being so positive for qomen, "gay", sissy "you throw like a girl" all being top insults for men..

Equivalent_Dance2278 · 2026-01-22T08:39:33+00:00

Dude, if you have to label yourself an alpha male, you are not an alpha male. Other people decide that. And alphas are situational. A scientist who is award winning and respected is an alpha in his lab, will not be an alpha in a biker bar. A biker alpha will not be an alpha in a lab. And using a man like Dan bilzarian, who conned investors, paid women to pretend to be his gfs, said he owned the house he was renting, as an alpha, says everything I need to know about you and your insecurities. Dan has also had a facelift recently that is so bad and makes him look weird. He should be shamed for being a go artist. No one shames men over masculinity. They shame them over FAKE masculinity, over the top bravado and fake toughness. That’s what gets shamed and should be.

ChewedMyWayOutOfThat · 2026-01-22T06:01:14+00:00

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LillthOfBabylon · 2026-01-22T04:20:37+00:00

Masculinity almost has no competition and womens hate it they can't compete with us physically and mentally.

So you pick on the weaker. If you think that's masculine, then you're showing why masculinity is shamed.

Michelangelor · 2026-01-22T06:40:29+00:00

Buddy, true masculinity is the most respected and celebrated thing in the entire world lol unfortunately, by definition, masculinity is somewhat limited to the chosen few who are the most charismatic and best leaders.

It’s not celebrated in the same way femininity is, but it is still the most powerful and respected identity an individual can obtain.

Lysa_Bell · 2026-01-22T08:41:18+00:00

Can you give your definition of masculinity? Because I dont think anyone is shaming men for having beards or chiseled bodies.

Superannuated_punk · 2026-01-22T09:37:21+00:00

Who is shaming you for being masculine? Are these blue-haired feminazis in the room with us now?

I'm a big, tall, bearded, tattooed unit. I present very masc. And not even fucken once have I ever been even remotely scolded for presenting the way I do. Quite the opposite.

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Lift_and_Lurk · 2026-01-22T14:10:54+00:00

Dude thinks middle age podcasters and chess are “masculine”

Not the athletes who get paid millions and are followed by millions.

Not the real artists and artisans,

Not the dudes stating small business, the professionals setting up their own practices, or the young men who are turning their passions into a side hustle then into their livelihood.

Chess and microphone yappers.

We’ve seen what happens to those dudes anyways

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psych0ticmonk · 2026-01-22T14:32:44+00:00

I do not know who Dan but do not lump me in with Joe Rogan. The man has as many brain cells as hair follicles.

Altruistic_Ad_0 · 2026-01-22T14:44:02+00:00

My man Dan? LMFAO. You must have done zero background research on that guy.

Disastrous_Agent9307 · 2026-01-22T14:50:38+00:00

I've met two men who compete with me mentally....and I've been in male spaces my entire life. Two. Physically, sure, great. Good for you. Ain't it lucky we haven't made sport of enduring pain or having babies...then perhaps we'd fine men the lesser competitors?

I don't think the reason you're criticized for following those dudes is how they look or the degree to which they're a positive role model for men. I'm just gonna say I think most of us appreciate Joe Rogan for his influence on getting a generation of young men off the couch, into the gym, and pursuing something valuable.

I think if you tell me what it means to be masculine, I can tell you why some stuff is kosher and some stuff isn't.

wtknight · 2026-01-22T16:52:39+00:00

Toxic masculinity is shamed by women and even some men. Masculinity that benefits women is not shamed. There are plenty of ways that women still like men to be masculine.

NoDanaOnlyZuuI · 2026-01-22T17:33:05+00:00

they can't compete with us physically and mentally

We don't want to or need to.

thick beard, chiseled big body

Being jacked isn’t the same thing as being someone worth following

Emergency-Sell-6713 · 2026-01-24T08:24:41+00:00

Women hating masculinity is just cope. I'm saying this as a coping person. You can trust me. A ton of us think we're going to grow up into men and when it doesn't happen we feel like disabled people.

biggybenis · 2026-01-22T05:46:49+00:00

The point of masculinity is not to seek permission. Masculinity creates the boundaries. Femininity maintains them.

carmeldaylite · 2026-01-22T12:12:25+00:00

Ok Bam Bams, man got muscles. Unfortunately, they lack character, emotional intelligence, self-control, discipline, and integrity. We all know the type of men other males are attracted to; you listed a few of your crushes in your post.

No_Project_4738 · 2026-01-22T04:47:04+00:00

What? Everything female has been shamed and disrespected so much so that that it’s in our everyday language: You throw like a girl, You fight like a girl, You cry like a girl, You’re acting like a little girl, Man up / don’t be such a girl, Don’t be such a pussy.

Making women inferior is literally baked into our language. Female anatomy is used to define weakness. Female emotions are framed as negatives: “are you on your period?” There are numerous derogatory words to shame women relaxed to sex which we don’t typically associate with men: Slut, Whore, Skank, Easy, Loose, She’s for the streets, Used up, High body count, etc.

Even your entire post seeks to make women the problem ::sigh:: it’s really nothing new.

SlickPiccolo · 2026-01-22T13:58:21+00:00

lol’d at Dan Bilzerian and Joe Rogan being peak masculinity and positive role models.

xxxPaid_by_Stevexxx · 2026-01-22T04:19:32+00:00

They will hate you for being too feminine or being masculine. Stop using logic to analyze their behavior. It about how you make them feel.

Masculinity is shamed while femininity is celebrated

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No, an intentional lie, spread by the fucking DEI frauds.

Cite the orchestra "blind auditions" study, I dare you... :)))))

What about blind auditions "peer reviewed" research that is cited hundreds of times annually, want to talk about that?

Title	Masculinity is shamed while femininity is celebrated
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Date	January 22, 2026 3:51 AM UTC (6 months ago)
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