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Every unhappy wife is a rape victim

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August 4, 2015
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There’s been a good bit of debate over what should and shouldn’t constitute rape, and what should and shouldn’t constitute consent. For example, modern “enthusiastic consent” laws require a woman to not only verbally agree to sex, but to be damn near visibly excited about it, and to provide ongoing verbal affirmations that it is okay to continue during the entire encounter. We often complain that the definition of rape is slowly being expanded to include “sex I regretted,” but that’s not entirely accurate. A more accurate ideal definition of rape to most pro-woman advocates would be: “sex I may have agreed to but didn’t really want and kind of felt coerced into.”

Many pro-woman advocates will tell you that rape is about power, and that’s not entirely false. For women, sex is a source of power. If you take away their ability to choose who to have sex with and who to reject, you make them feel powerless. A large portion of the psychological trauma and damage experienced by rape victims relates to that feeling of being helpless, powerless, and taken against their will. The physical act is bad, sure, but that feeling of complete powerlessness – one minute you’re strong, independent, thinking about what you need to get done at work tomorrow and that silly thing your boyfriend said, and the next minute, some guy much stronger than you are is showing you that everything you are, everything you think, everything you feel – none of that matters. You’re just weak flesh in a caveman-ruled world, and the stronger caveman is taking something by force that you’ve guarded fiercely from unworthy men your entire life.

Changing the subject for a minute: a staggering number of marriages and long-term relationships are unhappy. We’d all be old and dead if we took the time to count and review all of the unsatisfying marriages in the world, where nagging, overweight shrews emasculate their timid, underachieving, out-of-shape husbands on an hourly basis, while grudgingly agreeing to missionary sex once every six weeks just to keep the marriage going and the paychecks coming. You can change a few of the adjectives in that previous sentence here and there, but sadly, that general concept applies to a very large number of marriages and relationships.

One of my good friends from the town where I used to live is in that kind of marriage. We still talk via text and e-mail, and he told me how recently, things came to a head in his marriage. He’s been married seven years now, and has been having once-a-month duty sex the whole time, and true to his blue-blood-beta roots, he finally came unhinged, gave his wife an ultimatum, and thinks he won. Now he’s getting more frequent sex.

So I’m visiting a couple weekends ago, we’re having drinks, and he’s acting all mighty, alluding to sex, smirking, and generally being an awkward ass about things. Later that night, I’m chatting with his wife while he’s out making a beer run, and she says something kind of odd. “It’s hard being more sexual with [husband’s name.]”

I know what she means, but I decide to see if she knows, so I ask her, “What do you mean? What’s so hard about sex?”

“Huh?”

“What. Is. So. Hard. About. Sex.? People do it all the time.”

“I dunno.”

“I mean, it’s physically easy. Not difficult to do at all. It’s not intellectually challenging. It doesn’t take all that much time. It doesn’t cost any money. I don’t see what’s so hard about it.”

“I guess it’s just hard to make myself do it.”

I smile. Because that’s exactly what she meant. She gets it. When she says it’s hard to be more sexual with her husband, what she really means is, “It is very difficult for me to force myself to have sex with my husband. I am viscerally repulsed by the thought of being sexual with him on a level I don’t fully comprehend. I don’t want to. I don’t want to so badly, that it takes all of my emotional strength to push through that and force myself to do it.” The physical acts aren’t hard. But making herself do them when her subconscious is screaming at her not to? That’s hard.

So many women are in marriages like this. They don’t want to have sex with their husbands. They pretend to be asleep. They pretend they’re on their period. They feign illness. They go as long as they can, doling out as little sex as they can. Not because they’re evil hags who delight in denying their husbands enjoyment. They really and truly don’t want to have sex with their husbands. They figure it’s normal for a marriage to cool off like that and eventually turn non-sexual, and about once a month, give or take, they finally give in to their husband’s badgering just to shut him up. And it’s hard for them each time.

I couldn’t find any studies on this, but I’d be willing to bet that women in unhappy marriages that have sex with their husbands, again and again over a long period of time, begin to exhibit the same psychological traumas and damages as rape victims. Because in a sense, these women are being raped. Not legally, obviously. And not really. But it’s not hard to imagine that their psyche may perceive these sexual encounters and process them in the same manner as a rape.

Take my friend. His wife doesn’t want to have sex with him. But there is an implied threat there, even if it’s not overt and at knifepoint, that her marriage may be in jeopardy if she doesn’t have sex. She might lose her financial stability and the financial stability of her children. Her children may lose the stability of his money, a two-parent home, a house zoned to a good school district. He might as well be holding the kids at knifepoint and forcing her to fuck him. When a woman feels like she has to have sex with a man, even though she doesn’t want to, due to some kind of perceived threat, her mind processes that like a rape.

Every wife in an unhappy marriage that has sex with her husband when she doesn’t want to, because she believes she has to in order to keep her financial stability, is a rape victim. She’s essentially being coerced into sex she doesn’t want. And over time, these unwanted sexual acts take a toll.

Often real rape victims will act out sexually. They’ll go on a fucking spree, ride a bunch of random cocks. Therapists call this “reclaiming their sexuality.” They felt so helpless and powerless when they were raped. It was out of their control. So something about having a bunch of stupid, irresponsible sex that they choose to have makes them feel more powerful, like they’re in control of their sexuality once again.

We see this same behavior in unhappy wives. For years, they’ve been trapped, forced into having sex they don’t want, their sexuality and their power taken from them under threat of losing their marriages and financial stability. So they go out on girls’ night and fuck a random cock to reclaim some of that lost power. To feel in control for one night.

Is it any wonder that feminists want to define sex-by-coercion as rape? It’s not enough that a woman says yes and agrees to sex. What if she agreed to it but didn’t really want it, because she felt like she had to for some reason? If your live-in girlfriend fucks you because she knows she’ll be out on the street if you break up, but she doesn’t really want to, your average feminist would consider the lack of her enthusiasm when she consents to be rape.

Take the alpha man pick-up scenario. Our hero Chad saunters into a club and starts chatting up a girl, touching her, escalating, and she really likes him. But she never has sex the night she meets someone. However, during the night, it quickly becomes apparent that Chad wants to fuck her, and that Chad has six other women in the club that want to fuck him. She likes Chad and she wants to see where things go, but if she wants to keep her chance with Chad alive, she needs to fuck him. She doesn’t really want to, but under the perceived threat of losing her chance with Chad, she feels like she has to.

So she has sex that she verbally consents to, but didn’t really want, because she felt coerced. Then Chad doesn’t return any of her texts. Her psyche processes this encounter like a rape. She literally feels raped. Obviously, she wasn’t actually raped, but she feels raped, and in girl world, feelings rule.

If you aren’t building attraction to the point where a woman is begging and pleading you to thrust your cock into her, you’re doing her a disservice. Because to a woman, anything less feels like rape. So hit the gym, be hot, be confident, be successful, social, interesting, and awesome. Be a 12 out of 10 who’s so unrealistically badass that women beg for your dick. Because in a few more years anything less than that will get you 5-10 years in prison, rapist.


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Title Every unhappy wife is a rape victim
Author Archwinger
Upvotes 466
Comments 249
Date 04 August 2015 03:34 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 121 points122 points  (11 children) | Copy

Interestingly enough, feminism's worse for women than it is for men. Women report less happiness than men for the first time since the 70s when they started measuring. As much as betas get thirsty, women need an alpha male to swoon over. Neither gets what they want but it turns out, and to nobody's surprise, that men are more valuable when it comes to seeing who can produce the most happiness. Single men still have a man, women only have a woman. Therefore the women are gonna be miserable.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock81 points82 points  (8 children) | Copy

Females call for tone policing and being less aggressive as a shit test, betas believe it, government promotes it. This in turn makes more betas. Women inevitably complain some more, betas believe it, government promotes it. Even more betas are created. The cycle continues, the top 20% shrinks by a percentage every step of the way, making women unhappy, but they don't know why so they blame shit like the patriarchy to channel these uncomfortable feelz. Betas believe that too. The government and businesses promote it once more.

One of the major reasons women shouldn't vote is because betas can vote. The effect is devastating to society.

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (4 children) | Copy

For anyone wanting a more in depth look at this idea, read the misandry bubble --->

great read.

[–]Turn_Coat4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

So far it's accurate as well.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah man, 5 and a half years ago he predicted gender politics being the defining issue of the decade. And so far the 4 horsemen seem to be occurring, the bubble is slowly tipping towards collapse.

[–]barrettcuda0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Good recommendation, just got into it, I like that at least at the start it keeps away from all the red pill jargon, so it means it'd be easier to introduce to friends who haven't taken the pill yet. I'm going to need to study my way through it more thoroughly, do you happen to know that happened to that spearhead website that he keeps linking to?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No idea, unfortunately. It was written 6 years ago so there's a good chance some links are defunct.

[–]1sardinemanR0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

How can the top 20% shrink?

We need to better define that. I think what you mean is alpha males/desirable males. While currently it is top 20%, perhaps in the past, and the numbers seem to bear this out, it was at times 40% and at other times even higher.

It's not the percentage, it is more the traits we are talking about. This is why TRP can work, because otherwise it would be a zero sum game and only so many can get to "top 20%" by definition.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The amount of betas is increasing faster than the entire population is due to artificial inflation (mass intentional beta manufacturing). 20% is becoming too big. I meant to say the relative amount of acceptable men at the top is decreasing. Betas and whiteknights have always existed, but I believe the mangina is a recent invention. Not only are betas becoming more common relative to the population, the beta level deeper per individual.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy

This is also because women don't truly want to spend their lives working. They have all these careers they thought they wanted and yet, it only makes them less happy.

[–]Fleetwood_Linux143 points144 points  (39 children) | Copy

She's in stage I, and hes beating his chest, blind to lit fuse thats slowly moving to the bomb.

Get him to read Michelle Langley's books on Women's Infidelity.


The “stages” that women often experience during the course of their long-term relationships

Several years into my research I was able to identify distinctive patterns and behaviors in the women I interviewed. I categorized these into four separate “stages” that women often experience during the course of their long-term relationships. The stages begin with a loss of sexual desire.

Stage 1

Women at Stage 1 feel as though something is missing in their lives. They have all the things that they wanted—a home, a family, a great husband—but they feel they should be happier. Over time, many women in this stage begin to lose interest in sex. It is not uncommon for them to spend a great deal of energy trying to avoid physical contact with their husbands because they fear it might lead to a sexual encounter. They frequently complain of physical ailments to avoid having sex and often try to avoid going to bed at the same time as their husbands. They view sex as a job, not unlike doing the dishes or going to the grocery store. Some women in Stage 1 claim they feel violated when their husbands touch them. Their bodies freeze up and they feel tightness in their chest and/or a sick feeling in their stomach. The majority of women in Stage 1 feel as though there is something wrong with them, that they are in some way defective. They are also fearful that their disinterest in sex will cause their husbands to cheat, or worse yet, leave them.

Stage 2

Women at Stage 2 experience reawakened desire stimulated by an encounter outside the marital relationship. Whether these encounters with a “new” man involves sex or remain platonic, women will typically give a tremendous amount of emotional significance to these encounters. Many women in this stage haven’t felt any sexual desire for a long time. Many experience tremendous guilt and regret, regardless of whether their new relationships are sexual, merely emotional, or both. Most begin to experience what could be termed an identity crisis—even those who try to put the experience behind them. Constant reminders are everywhere. They feel guilt when the topic of infidelity arises, whether in the media, in conversations with family and friends, or at home with their husbands. Women in this stage can no longer express their prior disdain for infidelity without feeling likea hypocrite. They feel as though they have lost a part of themselves. Reflecting society’s belief that women are either “good” or “bad,” women will question their “good girl” status and feel that they might not be deserving of their husbands. Many will try to overcome feelings of guilt by becoming more attentive toward and appreciative of their husbands. However, over time many women will move from appreciation to justification. In order to justify their continued desire for other men, women will begin to attribute these desires to needs that are not being met in their marriage, or to their husband’s past behavior. Many women will become negative and sarcastic when speaking of their husbands and their marriages and it is not uncommon for an extramarital affair to follow.

Stage 3

Women at Stage 3 are involved in affairs, ending affairs, or contemplating divorce. Women who are having affairs experience feelings unlike anything they have experienced before. They feel “alive” again and many believe they have found their soul mates. These women are experiencing feelings associated with a chemically altered state, or what is typically referred to as being in love. These women are also typically in tremendous pain, the pain of choosing between their husbands and their new love interests. They typically believe that what they are doing is wrong and unfair to their husbands, but yet are unable to end their affairs. Many often try several times. Prior to meeting with their lovers, they will vow that it will be the last time, but they are unable to stick with their decisions. Unable to end their extramarital relationships, women at Stage 3 conclude that their lovers are soul mates because they are unaware that they have become addicted to the high caused by chemicals released during the initial stages of a relationship. Many live in a state of limbo for years. “Should I stay married or should I get a divorce?” this is the question continuously on the minds of women at Stage 3 – it is also common for women at this stage to attempt to initiate a separation. In most cases, husbands of women at Stage 3, will launch futile attempts to make their wives happy by being more attentive, spending more time at home and helping out around the house. Regardless of women’s past and present complaints, the last thing women at Stage 3 want, is to spend more time with their husbands. The reason many women will give for their desire to separate is a “search for self.” They convince their husbands that they might be able to save their marriage if they can just have time to themselves. They tell their husbands that time apart is the only hope of improving their current situation. Women at this stage want to free themselves of the restrictions of marriage and spend more time with their lovers. Most think that eventually their confusion will disappear. They think they will eventually know with certainty whether they want to stay married or get divorced and be with their lovers. Separation allows women at this stage, to enjoy the high they experience with their lovers without giving up the security of their marriages. Husbands of Stage 3 women are often unaware that their wives are having affairs. Their lack of suspicion is typically due to their wife’s disinterest in sex and in their belief that their wife is a “good girl.”Women at Stage 3 may also be experiencing the ending of an extramarital affair, and the ending may not have been their decision. They may have been involved with single men who either lost interest because the relationship could not progress or who became attracted to another women who was single. Women whose affairs are ending often experience extreme grief. They may become deeply depressed and express tremendous anger toward their husbands. They are typically unaware that they are experiencing chemical withdrawal due to sudden changes in their brain chemistry. As a result, many will feel that they have missed their chance at happiness due to their indecisiveness. Believing they have become more aware of what they want and need from a mate, women at this stage will often place the utmost importance on finding a ”new” relationship that will give them the feeling they experienced in their affairs. Anew relationship with a new partner will also represent a clean slate, a chance for these women to regain their “good girl” status. Some women will search for new partners during their separations. Others will return to their marriages, but not emotionally and still continue to search. Some women will resume sporadic sexual relations with their husbands in an effort to safeguard their marriage until they make a decision. Although they are often not sexually attracted to their husbands, desire is temporarily rekindled when they suspect their husbands are unfaithful, are contemplating infidelity, or when their husbands show signs of moving on.

Stage 4

The women in stage four included those who chose to stay married and continue their affairs and those who chose to divorce. Some of the women who continued their affairs stated that marital sex was improved by maintaining the extramarital relationship. Some thought the lover was a soul mate, but for one reason or another did not leave their husband and did not feel torn between the two. Others realized that their feelings were intensified by not sharing day-to-day living arrangements with their lover. Almost all of the women in this latter category were having affairs with married men. They believed their affairs could continue indefinitely without disrupting either partner’s primary relationship. The women who chose divorce and were in the beginning stages of a new relationship typically expressed relief at having finally made a decision and reported feeling normal again. Many of the divorced women who had remarried and were several years into their new marriages seemed somewhat reluctant to talk about the specifics of their past experiences. However, they did mention feelings of guilt and regret for having hurt their children and ex-spouses only to find themselves experiencing similar feelings in the new relationship.

[–]Crotch_Snorkel19 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

I dated a married woman for 5 years... Reading this felt like I was talking to her... Just spot on

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon65 points66 points  (15 children) | Copy

This is great, and it does ring true.... but it sounds dated. You make it sound like they struggle with their hypergamy. I don't believe most do. I see very little conscience, self doubt or regret in the women I know. They simply blame their husbands and are eager to get out of their marriage vows at the earliest opportunity. It's not 1955 any more, it is the decade of Open Hypergamy.

[–]Modredpillschool44 points45 points  (11 children) | Copy

I see very little conscience, self doubt or regret in the women I know. They simply blame their husbands and are eager to get out of their marriage vows at the earliest opportunity. It's not 1955 any more, it is the decade of Open Hypergamy.

Agreed, this is what I see most commonly too. The fact that these women have fallen out of love with their husbands does not cause them grief, in fact, they're angry that their husbands didn't live up to their expectations and almost always place 100% of the blame squarely on them.

[–]mrpCamper33 points34 points  (9 children) | Copy

Just this week I heard a friend's wife say to another lady friend "<name of husband> just isn't turning out to be the man I thought he was." They've been married for 20 years. He's the man you've changed him into!!!

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock31 points32 points  (2 children) | Copy

Your frame and being is supposed to be rock hard, unmalleable. Her stone mason skills are supposed to fail at altering you.

[–]mrpCamper15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, but we have to suppose this guy is blue pill. psst. he is.

[–]1cover208 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good luck with that thru 20 years of real life esp. if there are kids. There will be good times but also rough times. Rough times don't excuse her breaking her commitment. Yeah sure legally she can, but she did vow "for better or worse" and she's breaking a solemn vow.

So be it, however she chooses to hamster it.

[–]thewrightstuff8814 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy

That statement might be as close to the truth as it could be. She knew what she wanted in a man, she knew how to play the game, it is the man who failed shit test after shit test, thus, justifying her saying "he isn't the man I thought he was." His failure of her tests revealed that. Yes, you could say she made him that way, but relationships involve power struggles and a man who isn't strong enough to lead will ultimately fail the tests she throws at him and will subsequently not be "man enough" for her

[–]1cover203 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

And how many decades have you been married? I mean, all in one marriage, not split among 4 marriages.

[–]mrpCamper0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"Are you strong enough to be my man" - Sheryl Crow.

[–]BlackHeart890 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Goddamn. 20 years, huh...

I wonder at what point did she realize this.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Did you tell her that he was turning into the man that she has conditioned him to be? Wonder how that would've gone over.

[–]mrpCamper0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No, I was totally eavesdropping. It would have gone over like a lead balloon though.

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (1 child) | Copy

I see very little conscience, self doubt or regret in the women I know.

"This is the way of an adulterous woman: She eats and wipes her mouth and says, 'I've done nothing wrong.'" — Proverbs

The Bible is filled with Red Pill type observations. There's even a tale of hypergamy and false rape accusation that lands a man in jail, from around 4000 years ago.

[–]RP1523 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy

How about Samson and Delilah? The ultimate Biblical Chad Thundercock that constantly passes shit tests...until he gives in and she loses interest, then immediately sells him out.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

When woman are reporting these findings in the interviews, they will naturally sound as if they struggle with the hypergamy so they don't come across as terrible people to the group, and also so they can continue to live with themselves.

Just because woman don't morally struggle with hypergamy, doesn't mean they don't pretend to.

[–]cariboo_j15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy

In summary:

Wife loses tingles for husband. Is not self aware enough to realize this. Proceeds to mind fuck him, blame him for everything, then cheat / divorce. Possibly steal half his money in the process.

Step 1 is understandable. People change. If you no longer want to fuck someone, at least have the integrity to admit it, leave and let them get on with their lives.

The mind fuckery and stealing is despicable. Maybe the intent wasn't there, but the result is evil.

They're too fucking greedy, lazy and self absorbed to do the soul searching and do the right thing.

Anger phase? Maybe. I think it's justified though.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea27 points28 points  (7 children) | Copy

If that isn't a textbook primer on Hypergamy, Hamstering and AWALT, I don't know what is. Women are completely predictable in this behaviour because they all share the same neurobiology.

[–]Moldy_Gecko2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy

So, if they aren't stage 3, do they not get turned on when "they suspect their husbands are unfaithful, are contemplating infidelity, or when their husbands show signs of moving on?" Because, I'm fairly certain my wife isn't cheating, although I'm always looking for the signs (because of my ex wife). My wife "might" be stage 1.

However, my wife has both suspected infidelity and I've shown signs of moving on and it didn't do anything for her. What's the meaning of that?

[–]1cover209 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

I think every wife goes through Stage 1. Some keep their vows and discover that, lo and behold, the system works, and their feelings return, even if takes until the children are out of the house and she's out of "mother" mode.

Some women don't keep their vows. They progress through the other stages and self-justify it aggressively.

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[–]Moldy_Gecko0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Haha, but if that were the case, it'd mean she was stage 3 and those infidelity/leaving issue would have aroused her...

[–]BlackHeart890 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

do they not get turned on when "they suspect their husbands are unfaithful, are contemplating infidelity, or when their husbands show signs of moving on?"

Simply put, yes. They "usually" do. The feeling they may lose you/resources will cause them to act in a way to maintain what they have. Through this, they may feel some sort of rush as things go on.

Its its all about perception rather than reality.

my wife has both suspected infidelity and I've shown signs of moving on and it didn't do anything for her.

There are always exceptions to the rules. Then again, maybe your dread game isn't strong enough.

[–]Moldy_Gecko0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Then again, maybe your dread game isn't strong enough.

I've gone dread lvl 12 (I think is the highest) and we almost divorced until I realized I can't afford that shit yet. I'm wondering if it has anything to do with culture. She's 100% Japanese in Japan. Honestly, I can see TRP working on white girls no problem, because they are completely predictable. While some things I've noticed are the same in Japan (usually pre marriage), their reactions tend to be different than what TRP dictates.

[–]BlackHeart891 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Oh shit. Yeah man. The game may be way different with the culture change. I have absolutely no advice on that. Lol

But in regards to dread game, I may have used the wrong wording. Maybe your dread game wasn't "enough". Now I'm thinking that maybe you applied too much. But like you said, with the culture difference, dread game may not be effective.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy

make this a post.

[–]Fleetwood_Linux8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ok.

I just shared my story about the best blowjob of my life and dread game. I'll give it a few before I put up this as a post.

[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Many of the divorced women who had remarried and were several years into their new marriages seemed somewhat reluctant to talk about the specifics of their past experiences.

Of course, they are born again faithful. I find it hilarious how often women think they've changed when they never actually change at all. Someone needs to spend a lot of government money on studying this.

[–]Sdom18 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

I took it as, "they realize they fucked up and threw their family aside for a short term high which has faded."

[–]chadchadington10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great set of books on women's infidelity. It has been mentioned on this sub before but it is worth mentioning again...blowjobs

Yes, this books mentioned women involved in affairs as giving their married partners more fellatio as a mate retention strategy. To beta Bill suddenly getting his dick sucked he feels on top of the world. Bill doesn't recognize the new change as a reaction to his little snowflake's after hours activities.

[–]Redasshole2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

This book shows how women hamster. Don't take it to the first degree though because if so you will be fed blue pill ideas.

[–]_fappycamper2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yea I can trace this comment word for word and apply to my last pre-TRP relationship. The original post makes total sense too.

[–]1cover20-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Except, whatever the woman feels, it is not rape. Of any sort. At all.

[–]BlackHeart892 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Although they are often not sexually attracted to their husbands, desire is temporarily rekindled when they suspect their husbands are unfaithful, are contemplating infidelity, or when their husbands show signs of moving on.

Dread Game.

However, they did mention feelings of guilt and regret for having hurt their children and ex-spouses only to find themselves experiencing similar feelings in the new relationship.

Never get married.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

What no one on this post thread has acknowledged is that women seem to have a biological/genetic program that makes them seek out a new man about 4 years (not 7, as is commonly thought) after the birth of their child, when it is more or less self sufficient. (This is to ensure genetic diversity in her children.) This is even more pronounced when married to a less symmetrically featured man, i.e., most likely not an alpha.

It's all about the base (pairs in the DNA - GCTA).

[–]scarletspider320 points21 points  (5 children) | Copy

This is really the whole reason why Feminism became a thing. To save these poor women from having to have sex with their husbands just to get that Bux. Now with Feminism Inc. They are entitled to that Buxs while the Beta isn't entitled to shit. Then when the time is right she can walk off with half his assets while she tries to get another chance to ride that CC because she is a strong independent woman dammit.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy

Now in development! The ability to cut out the middle man and just meet a man and have his wealth transferred to you!

[–]2Overkillengine20 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy

Welfare.

And you don't even have to meet them. The government just takes it out of your paycheck to save you the time.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's supposed to be a safety net, but I guarantee if you removed the "safety net" bitches would actually have to work in just like the rest of it. It's more like a slothing net, or lounging net.

[–]makethemflaunt33 points34 points  (4 children) | Copy

The beauty of this post is that it is painfully clear in its explanation of a woman's perception of events.

Rather than focusing on the "cold hard facts" (e.g., "it's not rape if she agreed to it"), you focus on the subjective experience of the event for women. You obviously don't condone sending married men to prison for these types of interactions. But what you are doing is making married blue pill men (who read this) very uncomfortable with their heretofore unassailable logic as to how to get more sex from their missus, by hitting them where they will feel it most - in their empathetic center.

I am wanting to make a similar post along the lines of "the highest potential of RP self development is in the best interest of women, men, humanity in general".

This is exactly the kind of expansion of theory that u/redpillschool was asking for - it's edgy and provides another view on human behavior and experience.

Anyway, thanks for the quality post.

[–]reigorius7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Make it, you will help guys out there.

[–]1Zackcid4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Take your time refining that post. It has the potential to be one of the greatest, but no amateur can write it. I'm myself beginning to discover ideas going along the same lines as that post you have in mind. It's some deep and powerful stuff.

[–]2Overkillengine2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

"the highest potential of RP self development is in the best interest of women, men, humanity in general".

That would require teaching men here to do more than settle for co-opting the feminist/locust strategy of pure short term gratification.

Good luck with that.

[–]redestofthereds0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This post just reinforces my belief that the onus is on the man to keep on improving while in a LTR.

What if we plateau? What if we just stop improving for whatever reason and the wife decides that you're just not worthy anymore? No matter what you bring to the table it just seems that if her lifestyle isn't escalating in some way than she we won't be happy no matter how good her current situation is. So maybe the takeaway should be don't get married?

[–]moneyandsexislife 18 points18 points [recovered] | Copy

They're not going to stop until they've enslaved us.

Women are wonderful.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

They really won't though dude. They're complaining about air condition being 3 degrees off for fuck's sake. There is NO LIMIT! It will continue until every cent a man makes, 75% of it goes to women.

[–]TheDialecticParadox3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Correction: 100% Although if it ever got to that point the world would destroy itself.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil70 points71 points  (13 children) | Copy

I really enjoyed this post and the excellent analysis. But Id like to take it a step further. All of these quasi rape victims all of these 30 to 50 ish women in unhappy marriages develop a general dislike and dustrust for all men.

I remember when I was right at the cusp of manhood right around 17-19 I always felt that 40ish female counselors, teachers and educators were always much colder to me and other men then to women of our same age.

At 17-19 I was a polite suburban boy who basically went to school worked out and played video games. I was a good smart kid but I always felt that these women had an unjustifiable cold dismissive attitute towards me and other men.

So my theory is that these women had to suck a dick they didn't want to suck and that's why they treat young innocent boys like shit.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock50 points51 points  (10 children) | Copy

It is not uncommon for women, especially to feign disgust towards men with gainz as to give the illusion that they can deny men of high quality, thus insinuating that they're top shit. This is really just a image they attempt to present as a way to compensate for the fact they could never acquire such a man, especially if they once could. It's an ego defensive mechanism driven by the hamster. The whole rape hysteria is based on the same concept. Claiming that they have a constant threat of rape or that they have been raped in the past is a way to validate themselves, to give off the idea that they're sooo attractive that men can't handle their impulses and must proceed to ravage her. It's a validation contest. "Gotta watch out for me while I'm on campus! I'm hot shit. Don't you know 1 in 4 women are raped?"

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil65 points66 points  (5 children) | Copy

Ok so imagine your a 19 year old lift bro. Your priorities in life are eating as many chicken breasts as possible at the university dining hall, getting good grades in Biology and getting your deadlift to 400 pounds. That's what I was like at 19 and thats basically 40% of TRP give or take a couple of details.

So you have goals plans and aspirations meanwhile there is a parade of dumb fucking cunts who are in a constant state of irrational fear, insecurity and disgust brought about by feminist propaganda. They dislike yoy without you having done anything to them.

Eventually you reach the fuck it point. These women are going to be antagonistic or passivly aggressive reguardless of what I do based on irrational feelings. Every Forty year old wiman I know yells at her husband like a retarded parrot. Every discussion with a woman eventually turns into her talking about herself.

How much of this do you have to endure before you lose all respect for the modern american woman?

American Woman are a fucking joke. That's why everyone constantly tells you to respect them because your narural inclination is not to.

[–]I_have_secrets12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's why everyone constantly tells you to respect them because your natural inclination is not to.

Solid conclusion. Women know how much hard work they are and the emotional rollercoaster rides they go through, which is why the idea of "respect" is pushed so heavily.

Like that absolute bullshit fucking quote a lot of them post -

"If you can't accept me at my worst, you don't deserve me at my best".

To be proud of being a cunt and still expect all the treatment given is the most ridiculous thing to announce. A real poor attempt at justifying the bullshit they feel they are entitled to.

[–]Gunnilingus5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Yep. AWALT, but I wholeheartedly believe that there's a second, even worse designator: AAWALT (the extra A standing for American, of course). AAWALT is probably what's triggered the anger phase in most new TRPers, imo. AWALT is natural feminine tendencies, AAWALT is its ugly bastard cousin, that for forty-odd years has been on steroids that have been provided by radical feminism and the welfare state. I've decided a while back that I will no longer interact with American women in any sexual capacity, because it's not worth what I have to put up with, and it's definitely not worth the false rape-claim risk. This is difficult, given that I still live in America most of the time, but I feel it's a sacrifice worth making. The only exception I'll make is for 1st-generation Americans, who were raised by parents from non-western cultures. Eventually, I'll move away from the U.S. permanently, in all likelihood. As much as I love my country's founding ideals, it's strayed too far from them and I consider it too dangerous for me to continue living here much longer.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Eventually you reach the fuck it point. These women are going to be antagonistic or passivly aggressive reguardless of what I do based on irrational feelings.

Most of everything a woman proclaims to feel is either shallow and fickle, disproportionate to the response (read: too much), irrelevant (read: unnecessary), or completely illegitimate and has an ill agenda to manipulate. Just ignore it and let them tire themselves out.

Every Forty year old wiman I know yells at her husband like a retarded parrot.

And he just sits there and accepts it like a little bitch.

How much of this do you have to endure before you lose all respect for the modern american woman?

I don't respect women. Respect is reserved for your equals and superiors. They're complimentary at best. But I don't hate them either. Mostly indifference, some annoyance, and the occasional spurts of hornyness. They can be very nice playthings though.

American Woman - Lenny Kravitz

Every woman has the capacity to become the 'American Woman' when you don't keep them in line, elevate their egos with social media, and don't allow them to face the consequences of their actions. AWALT. A lot of men would be the same way if they could get away with it.

[–]DuncanMonroe6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

AMERICAN WOMAN

STAY AWAY FROM ME!

Fucking love that song. He's just all "I'm gonna leave you woman!"

[–]BetterRedThanRed8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy

It is not uncommon for women, especially to feign disgust towards men with gainz as to give the illusion that they can deny men of high quality

Not only that... Story time:

Back in high school I was pretty much a nerd. I also was tall (6'2''), but very skinny. Not sure if I was redpill back then, but I knew that being overly nice to women does not get rewarded with attraction. So compared to a lot of other boys, I did not display any beta orbiter behavior.

Point is: As a 17 yo, I was not that guy that girls see as a "high value man". And I also was not flirty with girls. Never. Not even to the girls I kinda liked. But this fucking HB7 I actually actively hated... she still needed the illusion that she rejected me. To her friends (I overheard her): "u/BetterRedThanRed is pretty boring, isn't he? I won't date him."

Conclusion: Even young women already need the illusion that they can deny men. And not only limited to high quality men. Literally any men. "I am not dating him. This means I somehow rejected him."

[–]NecroticFury0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I had a girl spread rumors that I was gay because I didnt pay her attention in math class. She just couldnt see I was out of her league.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

So my theory is that these women had to suck a dick they didn't want to suck and that's why they treat young innocent boys like shit.

Sounds feasible. Women who were in happy marriages were also more likable overall.

[–]epixs4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Can confirm.

Many older post wall women at my work are passive aggressive bitches to me. The younger women are darlings, but the older ones...lol. Their on their periods 24/7 brah .

Even my older women professors when I go in for office hours are passive aggressive, while being really nice to faggot looking kids and fat chicks.

[–]fatalbinoninja17 points18 points  (5 children) | Copy

I really like reading this and you bring up some great points when it comes to how women can and do perceive rape. I can also empathize with how a woman can feel this way because I'm in the same situation. My wife just loves sex, was raised to always be available to her husband and is also fairly open to a most of my kinks. All in all a pretty good catch for the most part.

Except she's fat, lazy and out of shape and thus I have absolutely zero desire for her. I'm no chad myself and she definitely married me for my beta bucking abilities but compared to her I'm much better looking and my smv is at least 2-3 points higher than hers. So she basically hit the jackpot in comparison to all her other fat friends and their husbands.

So she essentially guilts or pressures me into having sweaty, nasty starfish sex with her once a week. We can only do one or two positions for obvious reasons and I also have no desire to try anything fun. I never thought I'd be in this position where sex is a chore and I'd rather whack it out with porn than have fun with the wife. And of course our inability to have kids is entirely my fault because I don't have enough sex with her and not in any way related to her having PCOS which excessive weight only makes the symptoms of it worse.

Doing this for several years can really start to fuck with your head and make you question a lot of things about yourself. Thankfully for me this lead to a breaking point for me in my marriage and I finally discovered RP through it.

But when feminists go on about how guilted or pressured sex is rape all I can do is say bullshit. Guys have to do it as well and with 2/3rds of society being overweight, they have to do it just as much as girls do.

[–]Limekill10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Like that story of the attractive guy who has to take Viagra (a chemical/drug) to be able get it up for his fat wife because he feels no tingles!

[–]DuncanMonroe7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Dude, you need to divorce that fat slob and try to enjoy your life in some way. Nasty starfish sex doesn't sound fun at all, and this is what you're committing all your resources towards? You can do better. Divorce that gross hamplanet asap.

[–]fatalbinoninja2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's on the table now, thanks OI, and has lead to some improvements in the wife already. I'm accepting how AWALT when it comes to being manipulative bitches but this one has the upbringing and mindset to be a pretty decent wife once I fully embrace the RP.

I'm two months in now though it helps that I had an inkling on a lot of RP truths for the longest time but never had it explained in a coherent manner. So I've been able to breeze through the anger stage and immediately start applying the stuff to my life. Right now I'm focused on improving myself as much as possible and will give the marriage another 10 months before pulling the trigger.

I figure that'll give me enough time to really master RP and see what positive changes it brings out in the wife. If she gets better then awesome, if not well then I'm out to a better life.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy

in a sense, these women are being raped. Not legally, obviously. And not really. But it’s not hard to imagine that their psyche may perceive these sexual encounters and process them in the same manner as a rape

When I was first unplugging during our "big event" my wife blithely informed me that she felt like she was being "raped" every time we had sex. She viewed me as a lost little boy demanding his candy and found it horribly unattractive. This was a rare admission that was very hard to take but it confirms everything in your post.

Of course now when I hide behind the door, grab her in a bear hug, throw her on the bed, violently rip off her panties, and fuck the shit out of her without even asking or perhaps while she is even protesting....of course THAT is NOT rape. That is hot sex.

I don't care how much evo-psych you want to spew, women are absolutely, certifiably insane. AWALT.

[–]RP156 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy

It's being overpowered vs being begged. One is indicative of a strong alpha male, the other of a weak beta.

Of course, as soon as it is convenient for her, she will call that hot sex marital rape.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

she will call that hot sex marital rape

She will never call hot sex rape, by definition. Did you read the post?

[–]RP150 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If the marriage goes to hell, he'll be in court defending himself against multiple counts of marital rape.

[–]Di-onysos24 points25 points  (23 children) | Copy

This is a great post.

Should be shown to everyone who says RP is about abusing women. In many ways it is the polar opposite. Without a RP male in her life, a woman will never be truly happy.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock53 points54 points  (18 children) | Copy

Without a RP male in her life, a woman will never be truly happy.

Let me ask you a question dear terpers. Have you ever seen a woman in love? Oh you have huh? Then let me ask you another question. Have you ever been a girl's Chad? O, you haven't? Then you lied to me and yourself, albeit unintentionally. If you've never been Chad, then you've never seen a girl in love.

With beta bob, a woman will proclaim her love. She will give lip service as to how much she cares about him. She will tell you that all her past lovers were jerks, but you were her knight in shining armor that saved her. But while you hear this, you Bob feel something is off. Something is missing. Her words of reassurance are nice, but they don't seem to be followed in body and spirit. She says you're her soulmate, but sexual access is met with reluctance, obligation, and aversion. In the past, your beloved used to give it out freely, promiscuity was sought out with eagerness. But that was the 'old' her. Now she has 'matured'. She's now in a 'real' relationship. To preserve the sanctity of what you two have, in a quest to attain the prestigious state of 'self-respect', innocence, the state of a 'real' woman, she keeps it tamed and 'appropriate' with you. Any attempt on your part at changing this is met with hostility, shaming, and sadness. "How dare you! I'm not that kind of girl! Is sex all you think about? Doesn't our love mean more to you? Am I just a sex object to you? You don't try hard enough! I'm just tired... I had a long day... My head hurts. I just wanna cuddle"

But with Chad, there is a complete 180. He gets her everything: mind, body, and soul. Chad unleashes her true nature. Chad makes her happy. A woman becomes the most feminine, submissive, angelic, child-like being in his presence. She will go to extreme ends, things she does for no one else at her detriment just to have a romp with him. Every action to serve Chad is done out of desire, she worships him, and lives to please. When she goes to bed at night, she tosses and turns in delight and anxiety. More importantly, she lets Chad do to her body as he wishes. Beta bob is rationed duty and pity sex, Chad gets the porn star sex. The very same sex that she so viciously denied and shamed Beta Bob for. Betas finish last, Chad finishes on her face while she's smiling. Chad receives the best she has to offer with little to no obligation. Chad can even be her boyfriend, but he could drop the commitment and still acquire the benefits.

Be her Chad. You and her will both be happier as a result. The woman is suffering for god's sake!

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours13 points14 points  (5 children) | Copy

Being Chad is so much more fun, I should change my name to Chad or Thorin...

When a girl drives 7 hours just to get some dick, buys you dinner the entire weekend, and does this every month, sometimes twice a month, you're doing something right.

[–]RPJapan3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed. My girl took a 2 month break from her job, and flew across countries just to please me.

They will hamster away those actions to our benefits.

[–]DuncanMonroe0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Just be Dave instead. You get the benefits of Chad, but when you wake up and leave in the morning she still keeps coming back!

[–]ABC_Florida0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Just out of share curiosity... Did you give her that car?

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

No, she bought her own car. She's paying me to rebuild it for her. That's how it works with me for everyone now. No freebies unless I got it free.

You really went back a ways to dig that up.

[–]ABC_Florida0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I just read the whole thread because I've found it interesting.

[–]TheDialecticParadox4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

"Just fuck me in the ass and cum all over my face" - my ex.

^ That's what love is all about.

[–]blacwidonsfw2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

The difference between being Chad to bieng Bob: are you the one convincing her or is she trying to convince you? (Other than the first meet up).

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Chad doesnt care what she thinks while he's fucking her.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy

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What is this?

[–]DuncanMonroe5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy

Too true! If you land a gf material 8 or 9, don't fucking move in with her ans don't let her move in with you. Basic stuff, guys. It's not that big a deal to drive for sex. Stay over at one another's place, but don't move in together

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I remember my first fuck buddy relationship. I finally gave in and said she could call herself my girlfriend. We were done like weeks later. I wish trp has existed then.

[–]DuncanMonroe0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Doesn't have to be just fuck buddies. There's a lot of latitude between "fuck buddies" and "living together" that you can occupy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah I had her on the line for a year and a half, but familiarity still crept in eventually.

[–]1cover202 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

And yet I am willing to do it, so that others aren't the only ones creating the next generation.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I hope you're having 1000 kids.

[–]1cover203 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

I was her Chad. Most good marriages start this way.

It's still had ups and downs. Not every stretch is Chad-like. Do you think I should go without sex in those periods? Fuck you if you do.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy

Until she decides to call the cops on you for drama's sake. There are no happy women; it's impossible.

[–]DuncanMonroe0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Bullshit. Give a female 6 a male 9 and she's happy. She'll wake him up with blowjobs every morning for real

[–]Danedina2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

And that's the catch. I recently had a plate that was right in that grey area of "is easy sex worth even a few hours of my time with her?" I liked fucking her (her pussy was just the right size, and she was always wet because she worshiped me), and her face was pretty, but she was carrying extra weight that turned me off at times, and she had some dietary excuse for not working out.

So, yes, I was Chad, but to be perfectly honest I felt guilty about the false hope I could see in her eyes. It didn't matter how clear I made it that I wasn't going to commit to her, she was begging me to come over and do whatever I wanted. One time I fucked her at my place and then flat out told her I was going to watch basketball. She could do whatever she wanted.

At the end of the day, I'd rather reach for a higher SMV chick, ride the wave until it crashes, and then find someone else. I'm older, so the old sex drive isn't what it used to be. I actually enjoy the chase now more than the victory lap.

[–]MartialWay0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Any military base will prove you wrong. You're wildly underestimating entitlement.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon38 points39 points  (32 children) | Copy

What if she agreed to it but didn’t really want it, because she felt like she had to for some reason?

Well sure... and are you applying the same to men??

Having sex to maintain the flow of money is nothing like rape and everything like another arrangement in which a woman agrees to have sex in exchange for financial reward.

She likes Chad and she wants to see where things go ... She doesn’t really want to, but under the perceived threat of losing her chance with Chad, she feels like she has to.

Again... she's having sex not because she wants to, but in order to get something. Again, obviously nothing like rape.

I sort of agree with your points, but the definition of rape cannot include "woman isn't totally into sex but pretends she is in order to get something else that she wants".

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock46 points47 points  (1 child) | Copy

Even if there is a transaction, the point is that she feeelz raped.

[–]DuncanMonroe4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dem fee fees, gotta respect em, gotta protect em. Woman is a ball of feelz

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea33 points34 points  (5 children) | Copy

You missed the point of his argument, which was that while it's most definitely not rape, the woman feels raped because of the nature of it (sex that she didn't want but felt she had to do)

It's the problematic nature of using her vagina as a transactional resource. She trades her body to get material goods and services in return, and wonders why she feels repulsed by it down the road. Rather than take an introspective look at her situation, her emotions cook up an answer that feels good to her -- she's being raped. This is the normal thought process for women.

[–]Senior Contributordr_warlock17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

And the rape feeling is completely her fault for marrying a man she had no sexual desire for. That's what you get when you con a man into being a slave of provisioning. If she doesnt like the contract, provisioning for unlimited and exclusive access to her vagina, she can leave, but the provisioning will leave with her. The alimony and child support too. She can go provide for herself. Remember, she's an independent woman.

[–]1cover200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Feelings can change in a long marriage. The "seven year itch" is very real.

Very few of these rp dudes here have even been that far. For me it was well over a decade ago,.

[–]ABC_Florida0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Couldn't it be that she simply flees responsibility for her own actions?

She falls back to a sweet little innocent girl who can turn her bad situation by crying and finds solace in daddy and mommy.

Take a male example:

You go to buy a car, you buy it. You missed to spend more time inspecting the car, the seller didn't answer the questions which you never asked (bc. you thought the answer would be what you expect). You realize you've made a mistake (e.g. you were to enthusiastic, the seller seemed to be a honest good man, you wanted the car ASAP) and the car isn't exactly what you've wanted. Now the situation can branch here into the following paths:

  • You blame the seller. Maybe take legal action against him.

  • You realize you've made a mistake. You learn from it. You try to improve yourself.

[–]TRP VanguardCyralea1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's the underlying mechanism. Women need to absolve responsibility, and the quickest path to doing so is assuming the role of the victim ("I must have been raped").

[–]1cover20-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

No, he said it is rape. Which is wrong.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours27 points28 points  (22 children) | Copy

You're using logic and reason, Arch isn't saying this is how it should be, but that this is how it is. Believe it that a girl will cry rape any time it's beneficial to her, even if she was using sex to get something she wants. She's even faster about it when she gives up the pussy and doesn't get what she wanted. One of my false accusations was a girl wanting me to give her a car, when I didn't hand her the keys after fucking her, she claimed rape. She initiated, she was enthusiastic, she enjoyed it, and she pursued me, but because she didn't get a car out of it, she was raped. Luckily for me she mentioned the car thing to someone to corroborate my version of events, thus no legal action was taken, but my entire group of friends still believes I raped her 25 years ago.

Logic doesn't work.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon14 points15 points  (6 children) | Copy

The world really needs to start telling women what is rape and what isn't. We have let women define what rape means, and this is what happens.

[–]blacwidonsfw13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

You think you can tell a woman anything? The only way is to show.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, tell boys "don't rape" and tell girls "rape isn't regreting sex, a threat or manipulation tactic to get what you want from a man, and it isn't being looked at.

It's being forced unwillingly. More than a few girls like to be forced, willingly forced in a safe manner and environment. There's a distinction there, even if they don't want to see it.

[–]ABC_Florida0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

I don't think that telling women is the most efficient way.

Many people blame their own bad decisions on other people. The issue is the lack of self-conscious.

So IMO the parents need to teach their daughters, that they are responsible for their own actions, and don't force on them the immaculate princess role.

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Many people blame their own bad decisions on other people. The issue is the lack of self-conscious.

It seems a lot more active than that. Furious hamster overdrive trying to lay blame on someone else (ideally male).

[–]ABC_Florida0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yes it's more serious. Because they have no moral hurdle and in some countries the justice system helps them to do it. My point is it is like a chair with 4 legs. If you start to take away the legs (building the idea of responsibility for ones action OR building the justice system on facts instead of feelings), the chair may become unstable.

And nobody would make a chair with 2 or 1 leg(s).

[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And nobody would make a chair with 2 or 1 leg(s).

And yet it's happened... and god damnit if it isn't all men's fault.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

One of your false accusations? Damn brah, how many you got?

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Two. Never even fucked the second one, never touched her, guess what she wanted...

Yeah, a car.

I own over 40 vehicles, not all run, most are projects or parts, but I'm not giving them away to some stupid cunt.

[–]ABC_Florida0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You gave me the idea of my life. I will sell male chastity belts with bank grade security, which text to the Feminist Ministry of Rape every time it's opened.

This way you can prove your right in these occasions without physical contact. But it might turn out, that you've raped her by your thoughts you misogynist bastard!

[–]johnd2770 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"One of my false accusations" ...

Holy crap dude.

[–]1cover20-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

But OP isn't saying the woman "feels" raped. He's saying that she "is", in some way, raped. And that is simply, utterly, wrong and incorrect.

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

You're missing the point, to her feelz are everything. If she feels raped then to her she was raped.

[–]NecroticFury0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

dude it doesnt matter if it really happened or not. Look at the laws and provisions in your country, an accusation is equal to rape.

Hell you might as well actually rape a false accuser because you are likely going to jail anyway.

[–]Redasshole-1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy

So you mean Arch is explaining how it feels for a woman and that it's not a "don't do that or you are rapist post"?

It felt a lot like the latter...

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's a little of both.

Do you really want to have sex with a woman who doesn't actually want you and is just kind of "meh" about it? The sex is worse, and you put yourself at risk for future blowback.

Getting your dick wet is fun, sure, but the real reward, the real sense of power, the real "win," isn't just when a woman lets you fuck her. It's when she can't get enough of you. When she begs for it. When she texts you out of the blue pleading to suck your dick. When she rushes over to cook, clean, buy you shit, and do favors for you just to win a moment of your time. Because she wants you that badly.

The win isn't just a woman opening her legs for you. It's a woman that actually wants you and respects the hell out of you.

[–]1cover20-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

So you're talking about mainly very LTRs and long term marriages and that ho hum feeling ...

How many such relationships have you actually done yourself, before you preach about people who have done more than you?

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Both, but that's how it is, and using logic on them will get you nowhere.

[–]Redasshole2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

OK. I first thought Arch was endorsing women's false rape accusation by demonstrating that a woman who has sex but doesn't really desire the man was raped. when in fact his post can be summed up by: c'mon bro, don't be this guy.

Did I get it?

[–]2 Senior Endorsed Contributorvengefully_yours3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy

Good enough. Don't be "that guy" and realize bitches are going to lie, especially about rape and other shit. There's miniscule danger to her in claiming it happened, and she can utterly destroy your life with it. It's become the go to way to her out of the consequences resulting from her bad choices.

[–]Redasshole3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Ok now I get it.

  • don't be "that guy"

  • this is how women hamster that although the sex was consensual she was raped

Thank you for your your time.

[–]1cover20-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

If someone is white-knighting for OP and fixing his post, one could say that.

But that isn't what he wrote. What he wrote is wrong.

[–]Gunnilingus8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

OP didn't say that these women have actually been raped. He said that the cut of their hamster's jib is that they feel raped.

[–]1Snivellious11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy

In a bout of sick, feminist-horrifying irony, a post on TRP just allowed me to understand why women are so supportive of enthusiastic consent laws.

The legal, formal justifications were obviously crap, but I never bought "women just want to cover up sex they regret as rape". Enthusiastic consent laws don't matter much for that, given that it's already one person's word against another. I couldn't work out a convincing explanation of all of this.

Now I get it. These changes make law conform to how sex feels to women. They're in this horrible limbo of "consensual but unwilling", trading husbands and boyfriends sex they don't want for continued relationships. They're waking up the next morning thinking of how disgusting it was to let that guy inside them, and finding that the law says "that was fine".

I suspect that a lot of women will 'benefit' from these changes who never file a suit. They're not going to consent to sex with their husband, then whip around and call it rape (and ruin the gravy train), but they are going to feel better about it. Suddenly law and government is confirming the suffering of their consensual sex, so it's righteous and deserving of sympathy.

I very nearly feel bad for these women - I don't, but I at least understand now. Somehow, a hundred stupid feminist articles couldn't get that much out of me, but TRP did.

So thanks for being the place that can actually explain this shit.

[–]1cover204 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

But do you feel bad for the men who get prosecuted after doing what they thought they were allowed to do: have sex with their wife who isn't saying no.

[–]1Snivellious2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Very much so - they have the right of it. I get how awful it feels to women, but the answer there is actually saying no. Using law as a tool to prevent sadness isn't alright, it just feels natural to a lot of people.

[–]ronin_khan9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

The books "Women's Infidelity" and "The manipulated man", both written by women, are all a man needs to understand women's inner working and true feelings about men and relationsihps.

[–]ABC_Florida0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I wonder if there are opposite versions of these books.

Are they published? Or they aren't, because they're simply written on napkin?

[–]ronin_khan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah. I too would love to hear the counter-arguments.

[–]Redasshole9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy

There’s been a good bit of debate over what should and shouldn’t constitute rape, and what should and shouldn’t constitute consent.

Remember mattress girl's porn? It was supposed to show how she was raped but:

  • she never said NO, never yelled or even asked him to stop

  • the guy never used physical force

  • she wasn't doing anything to resist, at one point she even got up and started giving him a blowjob without the guy doing anything

That's not rape.

[–]DuncanMonroe11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah, it's called sex.

Would be funny if one day, mattress girl actually got for real raped. She wouldn't know what to do!

[–]ABC_Florida0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Actually she said in the video "stop" multiple times, also said "Stop! No!". That video has 15% popularity on pornhub. Men would expect bigger in a rape culture, but as you know nothing is perfect. It is kinda strange, bc I thought one of the reasons of rape is to get satisfaction, but that actor didn't seemed satisfied. Also strange behavior on her part. You wouldn't expect an abused/raped woman lie in bed quietly, than get up make the bed and go to sleep.

AFAIK the guy could prove his right with text messages. Ms. Sulkowicz states, that she was raped in August 2012. She filed charges 8 months later. This was their chat the day after the incident (this is verified by Sulkowicz):

Nungesser: “Small shindig in our room tonight—bring cool freshmen.”

Sulkowicz: "lol yusss Also I feel like we need to have some real time where we can talk about life and thingz because we still haven’t really had a paul-emma chill sesh since summmmerrrr

On the 9th of September she sent this:

"whatever I want to see yoyououoyou"

So I can see why rape is more serious issue, than murder. If your BF murders your mom in your present. You keep contact with the killer of your mother. You feel pressured not to report it and wait 8 months to get straight with your feelings. You report the murder. You wonder nobody believes you.

What do you think the outcome of that murder trail would be? Because I can assure you that fewer people would look at the killer as a killer, than they think Nungesser as a rapist.

Of course the best thing in declaring rape more serious than murder is that you can't prove it to 3rd wave feminists its BS. Can you? You only need someone who is raped and after a few months killed. No you have to ask this woman which was the worse one. Good luck!

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[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman18 points19 points  (5 children) | Copy

Another quality post, great read!

By the way, it's funny that you're writing this, because a similar idea about the feminist fixation at rape as being about power crossed my mind as well.

Why do women react so poorly to sex they don't really want, whether it's actual violent rape having the tendency to be more traumatizing than "normal" assault, or sex they give in to but ultimately regret?

  1. Visceral revulsion. A woman who wants to sleep with a man thinks on a gut level "OMG I want to have his babies" (even if she's one of the "childfree by choice"-faction). Because of the high cost coming with pregnancy, getting pregnant by a guy she isn't consciously or subconsciously attracted to (= a guy who she perceives as having sucky genes) is a worst case-scenario for her. It isn't too far-fetched to assume that the whole array of resistance a woman sets up when it comes to unwanted sex (including being traumatized when she fails at it) is a evolutionary mechanism to prevent her from exposing herself to the risk of an unwanted pregnancy courtesy of some schlub who has a crappy genetic makeup.
  2. As you said, power. I would even go further: Sex isn't just a source of power for women, it's the source of power for them. Your average woman can pull an awful lot of shit just by using her sexuality in some way. I don't doubt that rape can in some regards have a power element for men as well (as a perverted way to reclaim one's masculinity after one has experienced rejection), but overall it's mostly projection: women experience the powerlessness to a supreme degree when they are robbed of the agency to decide with whom she does and more importantly doesn't have sex with.

From that point of view, the feminist fixation not only on rape as a means of power, but also of patriarchal structures as something akin to slavery, and the war of the sexes being fought for millenia actually makes sense.

A level-headed man would think "what, patriarchy as something akin to slavery? Solomon Northup would beg to differ, you silly hag." Because it does sound utterly asinine - after all, even if the traditional relationship model made the woman out as being subordinate to the man, the average wife was by no means as bad off as the average slave. She wielded a considerable degree of influence due to her position (mother) as well as due to being a woman (we know why), couldn't just be killed on a whim, wasn't as disposable, the degree to which she enjoyed her autonomy wasn't completely dependant on her husband etc. - tell me how many slaves could say the same about their lot.

Yet for the area where it counted, she didn't have much (if any) freedom: her sexuality. Basically, patriarchy was practically a system that lasted for millenia and that made it illegal for women to pick a man of their choosing; but forced them to stay with a guy they - in most cases - felt only lukewarm attraction for or even none at all; and, even, worse, forced them to also have sex with him (if you wonder why that could be a bad thing for her, read the OP of this thread and #1 and #2 again). Thus her greatest source of power was neutered to a considerable degree.

So yeah, if you are trying to understand the feminists, you have to keep in mind that it's hard to not take it personally if your greatest source of social power (for the average female human: everything that comes from being able to grant someone sex) and your greatest contribution to society (for the average female human: having babies) gets taken out of your hands and placed under the custodianship of a man. Or, to say it with Rollo's Cardinal Rule of Sexual Strategies: "For one gender’s sexual strategy to succeed the other gender must compromise or abandon their own."

But why is that so dramatic for women? Hypergamy, that's why. Feminists, fully subscribing to the radical notion that women are better people, are in denial about the implications of the problem that women have demands that are simply unrealistic for the majority of men and ultimately only begrudgingly settle for one of them because they have no other choice (apart from being some hot guy's sidepiece or staying single). They contributed to sell everyone the idea that the arranged marriage of old (and the forced abstinence before entering it) was badTM for everyone involved, and that staying together for love should be it (technically, this idea was more the result of the movement of progressive political groups, but one would be lying if one assumed that feminist ideas hadn't influenced their decisions) - while it actually negatively affected the average woman most; and not because she was subordinate to her man, but because she was subordinate to an average man.

(bonus points for a female-centric order not really being sustainable for larger and more ambitious societies, but they're in denial about that as well)

[–]trinitys_dildo10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

Reading the OP and your reply reminded me of the Musuo people:

"Women have the choice to invite men of interest to their private sleeping room. If the man does not reciprocate this desire, he may simply never visit the woman's household. Men perform tisese in the true sense of the word. They can seek entry into the sleeping chambers of any woman they desire who also desires them. When feelings are reciprocal, a man will be allowed into a woman's private sleeping area (Hua, C.) There he will spend the night and walk back to his mother's home in the early morning.[citation needed]

Anthropologist Cai Hua termed tisese as 'furtive' or 'closed' visiting, meaning no public acknowledgement or obligations are required between parties. At night Mosuo adults are free to experience sexuality with as many or as few partners as they wish.

Though a Mosuo woman is allowed to change partners whenever she likes, having only one sexual partner is not uncommon. Typically walking marriages are long term. During these unions a woman may become pregnant by the same man multiple times. But when children are born, they become a responsibility of the woman's family. Instead of marrying and sharing family life with spouses, adult Mosuo children remain in extended, multigenerational households with their mother and her blood relatives. "

Taken from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosuo_women

Seems like an honest system that lets women indulge their hypergamy unfettered (use their source of power) while not coercing men to be beta providers (men/lovers/orbiters are not responsible for the babies the woman's family are).

EDIT: fixed the link and minor typos

[–]1KyfhoMyoba3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

Aaaaaaand the reason that I have never ever heard of the Mosuo is that they are insignificant players in the global economy. Probably still live in grass huts.

You think that there might be a connection?

[–]trinitys_dildo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It's a great point I think there could well be a connection.

But as people keep telling each other on this sub it seems like feminism and other factors are causing a collapse of western culture by giving us all of the downsides of Mosuo type culture without any of the benefits

EDIT: If I had to bet I'd say there is a connection. But it may just be correlation it is a very small sample space. Maybe living like that in the modern world would create the greatest civilization ever. Who knows....

[–]1KyfhoMyoba1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

feminism and other factors are causing a collapse of western culture by giving us all of the downsides of Mosuo type culture without any of the benefits

You think? BTW, "You think that there might be a connection?" in my previous comment was sarcasm. Feminism/female sexual strategy is completely antithetical to civilization.

living like that in the modern world

Contradiction in terms. Living like that will destroy the modern world. Briffault's law is antithetical to contract. Contract is the basis of civilization.

[–]ConnorGracie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I think society has tried to do away with both mens and womens power. For women sex and for men violence. I think this is all rooted in sexual dimorphism and we shouldn't encourage it but the new feminist world does. Asceticism is the only way to keep civilization going and advancing.

[–]Auphor_Phaksache7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well I'm successfully frightened. That's for sure.

[–]1kick62 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

embrace the brave new world*

*brave new world, now with 100% more hamsterized shithole.

[–]2Archterus9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Great post /u/Archwinger. I see this scenario time and again as a doctor. The importance of men grasping this and responding with a non femcentric, RP way of life cannot be overstated.

[–]Endorsed ContributorInvalidity9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy

Women in the modern age are finally beginning to feel what it is like to be an unattractive man. For the unattractive man, he's surrounded by many women he considers attractive enough for him, but he never ever gets a real opportunity to have sex with any of them.

For the corollary, these modern day women are getting sex from more and more attractive men... but they can't seem to get any of them to commit. The reality of everything sets in and it fucking stings.

Do unattractive men complain that women aren't fucking them? Yes they do. But can they really do anything about it? No, their incessant whining will yield little to nothing. Do these uncommittable women complain that men aren't committing to them? Yes, and their complaints get turned into legal consequences for men.

[–]ConnorGracie2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

They unlocked women's sexuality only to find out how horrible it really is.

[–]circlhat5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

This is why attraction can never be negotiated or give ultimatums, the only thing to do is leave and find another girl.

They pretend they’re on their period. They feign illness. They go as long as they can, doling out as little sex as they can. Not because they’re evil hags who delight in denying their husbands enjoyment.

Imagine you are tired of getting played by girls, girls treating you like crap, so you find a nice fat girl, you are so excited to be taken care of and have all your bills paid. You decide to tell this person they are special and that they are the one and you love them.

After a while you can't get it up, you don't know whats wrong, but on some level you do, the novelty of marriage and relationship wears off and since your income is guaranteed you see no reason to exert yourself anymore.

My point being unless her husband has had a significant change, she never saw him as alpha, she made a commitment not out of love but to get something. She lied to him that she actually give slight damn about him.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

there is no mystery in marriage. Shitting while the other showers, all the little details about life that suck. Paying bills, being late for this or that.

Women forget, apparently more readily than men, that all guys make mistakes. Women live so much in the moment that they can't think long term, forward or backwards. So, I don't believe that women are cold hearted harpies that marry for money. They won't marry without money (of course). But the end they have so little perspective that they check out sooner.

[–]JohnGalt3165 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

If you aren’t building attraction to the point where a woman is begging and pleading you to thrust your cock into her, you’re doing her a disservice. Because to a woman, anything less feels like rape.

even if you do this, when you stop talking to her it becomes rape

[–]Lt_Muffintoes[🍰] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I can actually agree that it is very similar, emotionally speaking, to rape.

They are trading sex for resources. They don't actually want to have sex with these guys.

You know what that should mean? Be really fucking careful about who you marry, and before, that was the case.
Now that they can simply leave you and steal most of your shit at gunpoint, they don't have to be careful, and so they end up getting "raped".

[–]docbloodmoney4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy

But there is an implied threat there, even if it’s not overt and at knifepoint, that her marriage may be in jeopardy if she doesn’t have sex. She might lose her financial stability and the financial stability of her children

This is not the case in our modern gynocentric society. If her marriage ends she takes all his money anyway. With alimony and no-fault divorce, there is absolutely no incentive for women to keep their husbands happy. Marriage 2.0 is a massive scam for men.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

Most women suck at money management. Half of your assets is a pretty big hit, but most women blow through that quickly, making shit decisions and not saving/investing right. Losing a portion of your income? Depends on your lawyer and your state.

In my state, if you have one kid like I do, you end up at about 20% of your paycheck, plus health insurance for the child. As long as nobody has any serious health issues. There's no alimony. We have spousal support instead, which isn't as readily awarded, isn't as huge, and is temporary. If your wife works, like mine does, it's likely to be smaller or even not awarded at all.

Even losing my wife's salary and 25% of my income, I'd still be better off each month financially. I spend more than that each month supporting my wife and daughter.

My wife would have to develop some serious skills, seriously quickly, to make ends meet on her paycheck and 20% of mine.

Divorce is indeed very expensive, but not as expensive as marriage. Yeah, never getting married is the best route, financially. But staying married just to keep your money? Screw that. In many cases, you're spending more money to stay married than you'd spend being divorced.

[–]docbloodmoney0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I don't disagree at all. I'm in the "don't get married in the first place" camp. I also live in Canada, where things are different (and worse for men than most states)

[–]RedPillAnonymous16 points17 points  (18 children) | Copy

  1. How do you suppose prostitutes go about it? They don't feel raped and they fuck betas all day.

  2. Why do women have rape fantasies?

I think wives just don't give a flying fuck about their husbands. They feel entitled to his money and don't care to give him a damn thing. I understand they don't enjoy sex with him, but saying they feel raped is a little absurd. I don't think they feel raped, I think they just call everything rape because they can.

[–]makethemflaunt24 points25 points  (6 children) | Copy

This discussion doesn't lend itself well to oppositional debate. OP isn't trying to make an "argument of fact". I think the main point of the post is to point to the uncomfortableness around sex that women often feel.

If committed (blue pill) men were to really understand and empathize with this uncomfortableness, they would understand that the most kind and compassionate thing they can do for the woman in their life is to become real, burly, masculine, weight-lifting, not-giving-a-fuck manly men.

This post is potentially a trojan horse - but the society under attack is Blue Pill Society and the ones inside the horse are TRP.

[–]RedPillAnonymous13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

I wouldn't say women feel raped. I think women need to feel they got something out of sex. Marriage is really just a prostitution contract that heavily favors the prostitute. These women fucked their pathetic husbands without any rape feelz when they were dating and engaged, because they were going to get something, but once they are sure of alimony and child support, they no longer gain anything from sex, so they feel like a prostitute that isn't getting paid. If a woman could not collect alimony nor child support, and didn't receive default custody, and a husband could dump her ass if she sucks, she would fuck him the same as before they were married for life. This is why girls who "aren't" prostitutes will fuck rich guys without feeling raped. They need to feel like they are consistently getting something they aren't otherwise conditioned to feel entitled to. Its the belief that they are entitled to a husbands money without doing shit that makes them feel so violated when they fuck him for "free" in their minds.

So that is where I think Archwinger is wrong, it's not the fear that she loses her support for herself and her children that makes her feel raped, its the lack of fear that she will lose her support for herself and her children that makes her feel "raped".

[–]reigorius2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

OP failed to make that point at the end. Thanks, I sometimes need to be spoon-fed RP because the taste and overpowering betaness is still in my mouth.

[–]1cover20-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Because as an alpha, I'll just say clearly that OP is full of shit. And a lot of apologists are trying to fix his inexcusable post.

[–]redestofthereds2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

they would understand that the most kind and compassionate thing they can do for the woman in their life is to become real, burly, masculine, weight-lifting, not-giving-a-fuck manly men.

"The most compassionate thing you could do.... " That should be the name of a post that touches on how most betas (myself included) always want to do the most moral and righteous thing to do. That little paragraph would've made a big difference in my younger days.

[–]red_gerb8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

They do, when it comes the aspect of continued provision. Did hubby get hurt? oh no!

Unemployment notice? Blinded in a freak accident? Bad medical report?
How will this impact Meeeeeee.

Otherwise, yes - good luck being that special snowflake men.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy

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[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

That is the iconic first world marriage.

Women don't care who you are. They care what you are. You're a paycheck of X amount. Or you're a dick of X inches.

We're all interchangeable to them. Don't be a paycheck. Be a dick.

[–]ConnorGracie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've only seen my mom care about my dad two times in my life. When he landed in a hospital with some disease they couldn't diagnose and when he cheated on her.

[–]1KyfhoMyoba2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Why do women have rape fantasies?

Women have rape fantasies to feed their ego; that they are so-o-o-o desirable that this [high value, usually] guy couldn't control himself and just had to have her. Often times the fantasy ends with them falling in love with each other and her getting pregnant. Most romance novels end with a pregnancy.

[–]RedPillAnonymous0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yep, that sounds about right.

[–]Senior Contributorexit_sandman2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

How do you suppose prostitutes go about it? They don't feel raped and they fuck betas all day.

Do prostitutes look balanced to you?

[–]RedPillAnonymous5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

They seem like they don't give a fuck. Not the ally whores, the $400 an hour ones.

[–]Limekill4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

They almost all are more desperate for an Alpha (where are the good men, etc) or even just to have sex with but the money and validation drag them back.

[–]voomer53[🍰] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's real actual rape in reverse for the husbands: Financial rape, since the money flow can never stop regardless of the wife's lack of compensation. It's like a wound daily reopened pouring blood on the ground.

[–]TRPAlternative2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

On the note of the definition of rape being 'sex I may have agreed to but didn’t really want and kind of felt coerced into', I just had a bit of an epiphany (While taking a shit, obviously).

The commodity for males to give is commitment and the commodity for females to give is sex. For this analogy I will use a typical nice guy and a girl at a club. The girl at the club sees Chad flirting with everyone and in her head makes a unwritten contract 'If I have sex with chad, he'll text me later and I'll get commitment'. Does this remind you of anything?

It should, because that's the exact logic 'nice guys' use: 'If I'm nice, then she'll have sex with me'. Both strike back against their target when their strategy fails miserably, but the women has a lot more power in the legal system than men (Feminine imperative) so she can do a lot more damage compared to the man just getting angry.

[–]1Zackcid2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Good point. In addition to that, women have an advantage over men in the sense that they've evolved and adapted to pick up on, very efficiently, any signs that he may not be "the real deal" or feigning commitment. The cost of a baby was so huge that is was extremely important that women developed these "talents" at detecting a dude that's just tryna get a quick lay and then vanish.

Meanwhile, since sex being so cheap for guys, we haven't exactly evolved any 6th sense at detecting "sexual insincerity" when a woman spends time with a man (beta). Bob thinks "if I'm nice, she'll eventually give me sex", while girl plays along and he has absolutely no idea that she's leading him on.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

Fantastic post, /u/Archwinger.

I think it's a little harder for us men to understand, (mainly because of testosterone), because usually it's not that difficult for us to be aroused.

Attraction and arousal in women is a little bit different, albeit the same mostly with regards to physical.

[–]1Zackcid1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't know how I feel about this... this fact that both sexes will never truly understand each other. Archwinger here did a terrific job, possibly the best I've ever read, at bringing us, men, closer to how the average women would feel in those situations. I can't pretend like this post wasn't deep for me. He put together the ideas I've had floating in my mind, and added some, and crafted something beautiful and legible.

Still though... the way that all feminists and most women claim that rape is "alllllllllll about power" meanwhile me and most guys are like "nah dude, power has nothing to do with it. she's attractive, there's low risk, etc. cool, rape time!"

Point is: it's kinda...unsettling that both sexes will never truly understand each other in this particular topic (as well as a few others). You'd have to walk a mile in each other's shoes and, unfortunately and regardless if you turn yourself into a tranny, this empathy will never exist. I'd need to have a vagina to know what it's like and vice versa.

[–]1cover200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

He made some good points. I think he empathized fairly accurately, at least a part of her feelings. Empathy is good. It can help you to be more effective in whatever you want to do.

Where he went wrong was in calling it rape. I can't legitimize that or condone that talk in any way.

[–]ABC_Florida0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Wanna see what attraction and arousal is for a 3rd wave feminist? Google up some feminist porn!

[–]no_face5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

/u/ArchWinger proves again that he's one of the best writers on this sub

[–]1cover20-4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy

He writes well. He's just wrong, at least in this case, completely utterly wrong.

What he describes is not rape.

[–]FrameWalker2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

I don't have any sympathy for those women. Life isn't ponies and butterflies all the time. Calling unsatisfying sex rape is appalling.

All women are whores, let them earn their pay.

[–]87GNX2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

And people say TRP hates women.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Every wife is a monetary rapist.

FTFY

Stay so far away that they can't even conceive of your existence.

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What is this?

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

There is a difference between identifying bullshit and agreeing with it. Arch is telling us how it is, not how it should be.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

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What is this?

[–]1cover200 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Yes this sub is actually full of deluded pathetic people, working away in the gym to become what women want, trying to be more manly than the next guy.

And then they're surprised when despite all their muscles and hobbies, she cucks them. They say AWALT when some people without all the lifting don't get cucked.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If women were into all that shit to such a degree, they would all have prescriptions to Muscle and Fitness. Being in shape can certainly help, but it's far from necessary.

[–]totorox3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy

She likes Chad and she wants to see where things go, but if she wants to keep her chance with Chad alive, she needs to fuck him. She doesn’t really want to, but under the perceived threat of losing her chance with Chad, she feels like she has to.

So she has sex that she verbally consents to, but didn’t really want, because she felt coerced.

nice hamstering

there's zero coercion there. She bargained sex in order to get the guy. It was her move, decision and intention all along in the context that you defined. She used sex as a means to an end: getting the guy. Yet you construe that as coercion. Wtf?

Edit: Reading your comments, I get it now. Well played.

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

/u/Archwinger is a MASTER at imitating the female hamster and understands it in a way like no other. That TRP ENDORSED label is no accident.

[–]Limekill8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

She doesn’t really want to, but under the perceived threat of losing her chance with Chad, she feels like she has to.

This is how the women view it.

You are being logical - that how men view it.

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[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

I honestly can't blame guys who throw their arms in the air and say, "You know what? Fuck it. Fuck women, fuck the government, fuck the corporate and business world. Fuck it all. I'm just going to minimally subsist, earn enough to eat, drink, and fuel my own interests and hobbies, and the world can fuck off."

But the Red Pill path is to cast off those shackles and become a badass, just for fun. Just because we can. Not for women, not for anyone's approval, but because it's just plain more fun than being a subsistence loser. Waking up every day, full of energy, looking in the mirror, loving what you see, having goals and ambitions, interests, hobbies, a life. Feeling...good, even happy, knowing what a badass life you're living. There is absolutely no substitute for that feeling. No pussy in the world is as good as waking up with that feeling. No video game. No alcoholic beverage. No porn. Nothing is as good as that feeling.

It's in our nature as men to work hard at shit, shape ourselves with sweat and grit, and feel immense satisfaction as we do so.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Fucking Bullshit! I read this entire thing and wondered if someone hijacked your account. WTF?

You've done a good job of advancing the feminist narrative, but I don't see a single word of condemnation and revulsion of that narrative.

If this is true then every man out there is being raped too.

I don't want to go to my job but I want money. My employer is raping me.

I don't want to go to the gym but I want big muscles. Women are raping me with their beauty standards. Gravity is raping me by making stuff so heavy. I feel powerless. Boo hoo.

It's not fucking rape. It's a choice. If a woman marries a man who is a beta provider and she's not thrilled about fucking him then that's her fucking problem. She chose to be a prostitute: sex for money. That's the deal and she has no right to whine that her beta male isn't a fucking alpha down the road. She picked him! Maybe if she supported him and promoted him to the world and built him up he'd be the man she wanted, but women are hard wired now to do the opposite. OR maybe if she worked out and became a better person she might have gotten the man she actually wanted?

She demanded monogamy. What the fuck's the point in monogamy when your partner doesn't want to fuck you? Every time his wife doesn't want to fuck him or teat him right but she still takes his money then she's raping him. Why is that right?

And the reason she probably doesn't get the tingles from him anymore is because she hen pecked and shit tested him so much that he gave up what alpha traits he had just to get a moment's fucking peace and quiet.

So, she got everything she wanted and now when she fucks him she feels raped by the man she made? Fuck that!

You know what happens when you give a kid everything they want and never give them consequences or punishment? You get an insufferable spoiled rotten brat. That's what women are these days. Everything victimizes them because for the last 50 years society has shielded them from real accountability and risk and failure. Once you start down that road it doesn't end. Women don't suddenly get stronger and more resilient. They get weaker. It's a learned behavior. Every time they feign weakness and get the vapors someone passes a law to "assist" them (or hamstring male achievement). Eventually, everything is a threat and everything is offensive.

RAPE is a reflex. It's the go to emotion whenever women want to get what they want.

Your entire post promotes and enables it.

At the core of women's feelings of being raped is BIGOTRY. Plain. And. Simple. Bigotry.

At once they demand to be elevated by equality and then bitch that men aren't good enough to fuck her.

Women are genetically programmed to discriminate against men and it is this programming which the entire feminist movement exploits to motivate women to turn against men.

By competing against men women ensure that more and more men can't achieve the kind of status that gives women the tingles. THAT'S THEIR OWN GOD DAMN FAULT!

I don't give a fuck about women's feelings when those feelings enable her to blame everyone else for her situation.

It's not fucking rape to have sex with your husband. She consented when she said, "I do" for life. That's affirmative and enthusiastic consent in front of witnesses and as long as he's fulfilling his end of the bargain she has no right to "not feel like it" ever again.

And the solution you propose is to become so hyper-masculine and work so god damn hard that she's just begging to ride my cock? It sounds great until you realize just how fucked up that is. I'm busting my ass and she's sitting back enjoying the ride and getting laid as well. How does that work for me again? Oh, yeah. Sex. Perhaps you should do a cost benefit analysis on that one bro.

And what happens when I don't feel like it anymore? What happens when I get injured or sick and have to rely on someone? Well, I'll tell you what happens. She leaves. She divorce rapes me. She says, "You aren't the man you used to be and I need to be free, but continue to pay me like we are still married."

WTF are these women doing to earn my cock? Apparently it doesn't matter. I should just kill myself all the time or else my wife might not be thrilled to fuck me and then it's rape.

Maybe the solution isn't for men to fucking kill themselves all the time, but for women to get their heads on straight. Because let me tell you friends: when enough men have pumped themselves full of steroids and lifted until their body's are permanently racked with pain; when enough men have the cocky/funny down pat, when we've all got perfect hair, clothes, and job, you know what's going to happen? Women are going to say, "That's not good enough. I want someone better." Remember the joke about the husband store? "Proof that women are never satisfied."

I'm more than willing to be the best man I can be. I'm willing to not get fat and to become an interesting and successful person. But maybe not enabling every victim fantasy a woman has and instead telling them to man the fuck up is a better long term solution than informing us that we have to be a 12 out of 10 so we don't get charged with rape? Because that right there sounds like some feminist thinking and I'm not having any of it.

It's not rape and they have no right to feel like it's rape. They made a choice and their feelings of powerlessness have nothing to do with her husband fucking her. It's a rationalization that women have. It's part of their victim identity that nothing is ever their fault and the world is against them (patriarchy).

I won't entertain or enable that kind of shitty thinking because it just encourages more of it and I'm disgusted that anyone would promote it here on TRP.

Fucking Bullshit.

[–]asianmasaccount1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Dude I don't even care if this is some sort of feminism Trojan horse or whatever. This is phenomenally insightful.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not enjoyed a post this much in a long time. Really good, well thought content.

[–]Limekill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You deserve the gold for this post.

[–]Redasshole1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

it’s not hard to imagine that their psyche may perceive these sexual encounters and process them in the same manner as a rape.

In this case it's not a strong man who fuck her while she is powerless but her who willingly accept to give her vagina to a weak man. She is in the power position so your sentence doesn't match with your description :

some guy much stronger than you are is showing you that everything you are, everything you think, everything you feel – none of that matters. You’re just weak flesh in a caveman-ruled world, and the stronger caveman is taking something by force that you’ve guarded fiercely from unworthy men your entire life.

She likes Chad and she wants to see where things go, but if she wants to keep her chance with Chad alive, she needs to fuck him. She doesn’t really want to, but under the perceived threat of losing her chance with Chad, she feels like she has to.

So she has sex that she verbally consents to, but didn’t really want, because she felt coerced.

No no no, she doesn't want to have sex on the first night <- rational thought. As soon as she is attracted to him, hypergamy and her emotions over rule everything else.

[–]1cover200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Excellent clear analysis. The pussy decides who she is willing to have sex with, at least at first.

How many long term married men, esp. with kids, think that same excitement is maintained when the kids are 8 and 10, she's heavy into mother mode, life's ups and downs have included a few downs, and so on. She promised "for better or worse" so when it's worse and she does her part, it is not rape. It is her life, her family, her commitment.

If we say men are less willing to give commitment, is it because women can be expected to break theirs?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

The physical acts aren’t hard. But making herself do them when her subconscious is screaming at her not to? That’s hard.

For my current girlfriend, this applies to most things that she does that would be in my favor. The sex act itself doesn't bother her squat. She's not timid, she's not shy, she doesn't act coyly about it, isn't ashamed of anything but it's hard for her to get herself to do it. It just pains me that it's this way around. I would be sort of happier if it was the other way around, though I guess it would be still just as bad in effect.

[–]BrunoOh1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Sounds like you need to run some dread.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Already doing it now and then and it works; though at the moment I'm so stuck in work that I don't care about her too much anyway.

[–]voomer53[🍰] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

You got to bang her anyway unless you want someone else to....

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

She's both AWALT and yet totally different from most chicks; she won't actually bang another guy, that much I'm sure, but she will hang out with them and do some stuff, which, in her case, means the same.

[–]nantucketghost0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

deleted What is this?

[–]1cover20-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

And these other guys aren't man enough like you are?

[–]itsallsympolic0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

Great post, this really helped me to empathize and let go of some anger and confusion about women who divorce or cheat just because they are unhappy. Still, I wonder why the emphasis is on the man making the woman happy and not the other way around but it makes sense considering women are controlled more by their emotions than men. Great to see the red pill promoting empathy for women's condition.

I would like to propose that we coin a term or phrase for this form of rape to be used in future discussions to prevent confusion between the legal definition. Any ideas?

[–]1Zackcid1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

feelz rape

lol. But really, I don't think it's needed. Dummies will think it's "real rape" meanwhile the truly unplugged and understanding will know what it's about. Plus, very rarely does this specific type of rape even come up in our discussions. I personally don't care about her and would rather not discuss her struggles, although I find the understanding behind why many married men suffer from that kinda shit quite enlightening to know about.

It'll be pretty obvious which rape is which based on the context.

[–]patches93-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Maybe "Coercion/Coercive(whichever sounds better) Rape" as opposed to "Forced Rape"

Switching it around might be better though. "Rape by Coercion" as opposed to "Rape by Force"

[–]1cover20-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

It is not a form of rape. It is not rape. As with all other misuses of the word, it is unfair to the man and does a disservice to women who are actually raped.

Do not use the word rape. OP is full of shit.

[–]needmorefat0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy

The extent to which TRP and radical feminists independently converge on the same ideas is kind of weird considering the different solutions they pose.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy

Very true. That was part of the impetus for this post.

Understanding women and where they're coming from is an important knowledge base. A lot of times, you'll be out there in the real world, and all of that "do this specific stuff and you'll get laid" advice doesn't really apply to what you're experiencing right then. In that moment, you'll need a good knowledge base to fall back on.

[–]1Zackcid2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy

Arch, judging by the number of guys here that "just don't get it" makes me wonder if you've just touched on some "next level shizz" that was ahead of our time.

So many dudes here saying "yo, what are you talking about, that's totally not rape!" "why do i need to know this?" "this is some feminist bulllllllll" are clearly missing something. something that came so naturally to me as I read through the post, I didn't have a problem understanding this post.

Just go away and come back in 5 years when the average TRPer will hopefully recognize how important this contribution is to our human, male Realm. Or maybe this is just a case of dudes being unable to momentarily unplug from their male thinking, ditch the logic, and actually empathize with the Female Thought for once.

[–]TRP VanguardArchwinger[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

I honestly pay more attention to the critical and thought-provoking comments than the people sucking my internet dick.

Presentations include the audience. Writing requires readers. Communication involves two parties. If somebody, upon reading a sentence I wrote, doesn't understand what I meant, then I could have written a better sentence.

Sure, some readers are stupid, ignorant, uneducated, closed-minded, lack critical reading skills, whatever. But if we take a cross-section of the world, you're going to deal with people like that constantly. You have to be able to communicate with them, too.

[–]1Zackcid0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I appreciate the food for thought. I failed to look at the big picture.

[–]1cover200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And some of us knew what you know 20 years ago.

[–]1cover20-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

How exactly would this help? Help a guy trying to fuck someone else's wife?

Maybe someone will fuck your wife.

[–]Mitchell780 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Who cares? And your friend has a good deal now, he's getting regular sex now, who cares that she doesn't really enjoy it? She's his wife, its her duty to have sex with her husband.

[–]Primemale0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would bet that in fact, she probably feels worse (more raped as you put it) ''forcing'' herself to have sex with a husband she no longer finds attractive than actually getting raped, Not to mention the fact that a shockingly(?) high number of rape victims have orgasms as an involuntary response to being dominated.

[–]Mr_Andry0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The hottest thing a woman has ever said to me was "Why aren't you fucking my brains out?"

That was when I was younger, and much more beta. I was lucky to find a few girls who didn't perceive me that way, but I know it looking back.

That's going to be my goal from now on. Tease, tease, tease until the woman literally asks me to fuck her. It's fun and a huge confidence booster.

And to be honest, I can't imagine enjoying sex without enthusiastic consent. Maybe I'm lucky to be wired this way, considering the modern world.

[–]TurduckenII0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

TRP endorses feminism and everything comes full circle.

[–]A419a0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You are beginning to see why all male/female sex is rape to feminist. It makes sense in some sort of twisted way.

[–]battyryder0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

this is bullshit. so a woman consents to marry a guy and so her fucking him, 'duty-sex', is a form of coerced rape or whatever. get the fuck out of here with your crap. women are fulla shit, this is known. whether she feels like it or not, she still fucks, but she can leave though right, get a job and support herself? if not she stays and fulfills her end of the 'contract' or 'deal', right? everybody gets something.

[–]Sdom10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

There has been some research which showed that women are less and less attracted to a man the longer they're with him. It follows a very linear, even path to zero. A man's attraction for his wife, however, remains fairly steady.

That may mean that even Chad Thundercock loses his luster.

[–]killerofgod0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Relevant as sad as it is.

[–]1CowardlyPetrov0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

You know, I don't hate women. I do find this interesting to think about. I do want to understand a woman's mind so I can both manipulate her to my benefit and also, when I genuinely love her, to manipulate her to her own benefit. And the advice to always keep your woman wet is good for both of those ends.

But I also recognize that I, and all men, have parallel psychological challenges. And we just rise to those challenges. No one is saving me from my feelings. I haven't cried in years and years. Not because I am never hurt or sad. But because I've hardened up because I had to because I am a man. And I think that is where the frustration comes in. And where it remains if we suppose that we are equals. That we are congruent. That we are identical.

I do not think we are. I believe that the wife is the first and most troublesome child of the family because when you receive her she is already broken and rebellious. And I also believe that recognizing such things is critical to letting go of ones frustrations and moving on to just being a just and tempered patriarch.

[–]chwed20 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Weebit of a tangent but years ago in France didnt a wife sue her husband because he didnt sex her up enough?

[–]Bellum00 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

In France and other countries that have the Code Napoleon, there is a contractual marital obligation to have normal sexual relations (defined by jurisprudence as vaginal intercourse at a minimum of three times a week). A man could sue and win as well. Rape within marriage is a criminal offence, but breach of contract leads to civil damage and compensation. Excellent solution to the problem.

[–]chwed20 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Would a man actually win that court case?

[–]circlhat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

If you aren’t building attraction to the point where a woman is begging and pleading you to thrust your cock into her, you’re doing her a disservice. Because to a woman, anything less feels like rape. So hit the gym, be hot, be confident, be successful, social, interesting, and awesome. Be a 12 out of 10 who’s so unrealistically badass that women beg for your dick. Because in a few more years anything less than that will get you 5-10 years in prison, rapist.

This is the wrong mindset because you will never please her, you be yourself, don't take crap, ignore her when she is crazy. Being hot and having hobbies doesn't help as well as being a secure man.

This is why we see women choose skinny thugs over 6 figure guys who work out. Oh and after all that she will leave the skinny thugs who cock she sucks every night for the 6 figure guy, have a few babies and than return.

[–]0kool740 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

And every dude that takes the red pill, fucks plates, and never gets married is a happy man. Yet the bullshtick fembeasts say we can't be happy without them. PFFT!!!!

[–]1sardinemanR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Women WANT to feel powerless and for a man to take them during sex. That is the source of tingles.

Yeah maybe it sounds like rape when you write it out, but that's mostly because you're listening to women and actually respecting what they say. They contradict themselves constantly if you actually listen a bit longer.

[–]1R_E_D_10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Holy hot fuck I feel like I learned something today. Thanks man. Damn.

[–]wtfomg770 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This post kinda reminds me of the horseshoe theory, a theory about politics which argues that the far-left and the far right are closer to each other than the center.

A very extreme feminist might actually agree with substance of this post despite the fact that you are an RP man, which is the opposite end of the spectrum. All you would need to take away are the "but not really's", because she would believe the scenarios you described to truly be rape on all levels.

Very, very interesting

[–]RPcoyote0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

"We’d all be old and dead if we took the time to count and review all of the unsatisfying marriages in the world, where nagging, overweight shrews emasculate their timid, underachieving, out-of-shape husbands on an hourly basis, while grudgingly agreeing to missionary sex once every six weeks just to keep the marriage going and the paychecks coming."

Fucking gold. When is your first book out? I'll buy a copy.

[–]Lashlarue123 -1 points-1 points [recovered] | Copy

Its not rape you dildo empresario, she has agency. It's just shitty sex. Wtf is this post doing here? Yes we get your point being alpha is important, but this makes no sense.

[–]Dietyz2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It explains why retarded feminists genuinely think they are being raped all the time, because mentally it is no different to them

[–]1Zackcid0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

First of all

you dildo empresario

Loved this shit, dunno why it made me laugh as much.

Secondly. brah, you're totally missing something huge from this post. This is easily top 30 best post ever written since the inception of this subreddit. Many of us are giving accolades, while many others take offense to it because they're thinking too logically about it and missing what it's really about.

Re-read it and hopefully you'll get the message. Trust me, it isn't some bullshit post at all. He also never said it was rape (which just goes to show it flew over your head).

[–]1cover20-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nah. The comments are agreeing with it, not taking it ironically. And OP's followup comments too. Nope, OP is going to get blamed for what he said, because he said it.

[–]1cover20-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy

OP is so full of shit.

Consensual sex is consensual sex. Easy divorce is possible in all 50 states. Doing something you don't want to because of other reasons is called being an adult. We all pay taxes and don't want to do that. Some people think their solemn marital promise is what it says it is, legal outs notwithstanding. These are all adult points of view.

/u/Archwinger is a white knight. The lack of scorn for his post really reduces my respect for this sub. Some idiot gave him gold. And its being bolded makes me think less of the mods.

[–]patches932 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Hey man. Calm down. This is him presenting these things from a woman's point of view. He's not saying this is how it should be, he's saying that this is how it is, at least in a woman's mind.

[–]1cover20-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy

Then he would have said that.

[–]patches932 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Note the recurring use of the words "feel" and "feeling". That is how women "feel" about rape and things they "feel" should be defined as rape. If you read a little more closely, you should understand what this post is all about, but I don't need to defend /u/archwinger. I'm sure he'd be happy to come and explain to you better than I can, if he sees fit to do so.



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