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[–]Starsuponstars417 points418 points419 points 3 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
By "natural" they mean "makeup too subtle for me to notice." Basically anything that would fall short of Clown College.
[–]MsBarbiePhdFDS Newbie227 points228 points229 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
The one day I skip my makeup routine, my thesis advisor walks in and immediately comments that I looked tired.....
He did apologize after I said it was just how my face is and we had a chat about societal expectations that was rather productive but it still sucks that my face is perceived that way without makeup.
[–]corago513FDS Newbie68 points69 points70 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Same and I have the same response as you. I'm glad you at least had a productive conversation out of it. But honestly, why do people say that. Even if we are tired, it's not socially acceptable to admit it.
[–]midwesternwindsFDS Newbie224 points225 points226 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Also, they don't want to watch you apply it. It ruins the fantasy to see your lush lashes and flawless skin aren't real and kills their buzz to see you shave.
[–]Mind-ObjectiveFDS Newbie5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So you are telling me I don’t naturally have sunset eyelids or naturally supple never dry red lips and my sexy bed hair lmao
[–][deleted] 257 points258 points259 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Face tuning and photoshopping your body for tiktok and instagram is what they wish was natural. Their standards are so bloated anything less than the impossible means they are now 'settling.'
[–]shockingupdateFDS Newbie424 points425 points426 points 3 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
All my exes tried to say things like “you’re so beautiful and don’t wear makeup, not like other girls” like it was supposed to be a compliment. My brow powder, concealer, gold eyelids and I laughed every time. For what people call the “visual” sex y’all are BLIND
[–]sunset_sunshine30FDS Newbie168 points169 points170 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I hate that comment "I prefer women without makeup".
I love ruining their ridiculous expectation by then telling them how much I love make up and spend a lot of time looking at and researching it.
I wear makeup for me not you, love.
[–]UnevenHandedFDS Newbie16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm gonna do that next time a man tells me that, thanks. If he says he doesn't like makeup... I'm gonna be like, don't wear any, then. I love it, and your unsolicited opinion hasn't changed how I feel about it. That's the unsaid imperative, isn't it. "I don't like it, so you should feel ashamed you do, and stop."
This usually from some random, not even a man who's close to you... TBH, I've consistently wilted before the disapproval of men without even questioning why. No more.
[–]yolosunshineFDS Newbie61 points62 points63 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
My LVM even went so far as to watch me apply no-makeup makeup almost a whole year in and go ‘I thought you didn’t wear makeup’.
....Is...is this the part where I pretend I’m flattered or pretend he’s not stupid? Both look bad.
[–]yolosunshineFDS Newbie29 points30 points31 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
GOLD EYELIDS
Do you know Our Lady of Salt, Sailor J?
She cracked the code for me about makeup, it’s a pity she’s vanished online.
[–]shockingupdateFDS Newbie10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I didn’t but now I’m gonna look her up!
[–]RainbowsarePretty10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I hate that comment “not like other girls”. What’s wrong with other girls? Last time I checked females were pretty cool.
[–]CanijustbekimFDS Newbie359 points360 points361 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
This happened to me once. A guy told me that he liked girls who wear no makeup. I asked for an example. He said "Kim Kardashian." Ladies, he legitimately thought Kim Kardashian didn't wear makeup.
[–]Amy3e13FDS Newbie141 points142 points143 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She even has her own makeup line
[–]sunset_sunshine30FDS Newbie91 points92 points93 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good grief 🙄
[–]Free_Bee_XXThrowaway Account86 points87 points88 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What the actual fuck. How can anyone be so fkn stupid, wow.
[–]yolosunshineFDS Newbie28 points29 points30 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I mean tbf he said NOTHING regarding plastic surgery so she’s safe there.
Plastic is the ultimate no-makeup makeup.
Lmao.
[–]Thejasminedragon1215FDS Newbie45 points46 points47 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
[–]yolosunshineFDS Newbie11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
😂 😂 😂
[–]relationship_redditFDS Newbie25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No. Way. No way.
[–]cheapbritney8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Please tell us what you reply was!
[–]CanijustbekimFDS Newbie10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh, I laughed at him and said "oh, my sweet summer child."
[–]RiasXgremoryXFDS Disciple662 points663 points664 points 3 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link
"She has to be natural!"🤪
Also men: *Proceeds to jack off to thousands of videos/photos of women with heavy makeup, extensive plastic surgery, photoshop, filters, and airbrushing.*
Men's idea of "natural" is warped by porn and social media. They really be out here thinking that's reality and get mad when women don't live up to the actresses in their favorite porns or IG models.
[–]Sensitive-Ad8553FDS Newbie383 points384 points385 points 3 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
I got in an argument with a dude who said Kylie Jenner is “100% natural” and “rarely wears makeup”. I question the intelligence of some people.
[–]cassettinaFDS Newbie227 points228 points229 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Literally some men are so stupid about everything that goes into a womans appearance, online and offline.
A girl friend of mine was just telling me about her boyfriend's twin brother's girlfriend "V" who everyone in the family found out was deep in debt because of her boob job and frequent lip injections.
Apparently when V's boyfriend found out, he was absolutely shellshocked that her lips weren't naturally beestung beachballs.
[–]Thejasminedragon1215FDS Newbie167 points168 points169 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I've witnessed a male (60) looking at a girl (20) with false lashes, coloured contacts, and heavy eye makeup, and say: "Now THAT'S NATURAL BEAUTY" unironically.
And when I said, she's wearing contacts and false lashes he just didnt believe me.
Males are actually brain dead
[–]rosepinksFDS Newbie83 points84 points85 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
LOL im sorry but how do you not realize someone has had a boob job im dead
[–]pet-fouffeFDS Newbie15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah it's so obvious in the way the implant sits on the chest, particularly on skinny women. And how it doesn't behave like regular boobs do when they lie on their sides. For it to look completly natural the woman needs to already have significant boob fat to cover it imo.
[–]cassettinaFDS Newbie12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh no, he knew about the debt from the boob job. Apparently the debt collector from the plastic surgeons office had been trying to track her down for weeks and eventually started showing up at their apartment complex. V's boyfriend found him lurking in the parking garage and pulled a gun on him and everyone freaked out until the debt collector explained who he was and why he was there.
So yeah. Big mess. Still funny that he had no idea she was getting injected tho 😂😂😂
[–]yolosunshineFDS Newbie23 points24 points25 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I call them butt lips. The IG ones.
Beestung is 1920s lingo for small and pouty.
[–]PrettyPoppingFDS Newbie46 points47 points48 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not beachballs.
[–]simplicityduplicityFDS Newbie101 points102 points103 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I find that these are the same dudes that don’t realize there are such visually manipulative apps like FaceTune, which puts the facets of Photoshop at our fingertips, right on our phones. Also the same guys who don’t realize that eyelids can’t be “naturally” purple and sparkly.
[–]relationship_redditFDS Newbie82 points83 points84 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Honey, no. 😱
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[–]s_slayerFDS STRATEGY COACH78 points79 points80 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
She was cute as a child but then as a young teen you could see she had a very square face, thin lips and a bigger nose. She also had an athletic body, not many curves at all. She looks nothing like she was meant to look. Even now when she is unexpectedly papped, she is not very pretty. Her lips give her a frog face in real life. And most of us remember Kim in Cancun, cottage cheese bum. Like a lot of women. The world finally got to see what these filtered, airbrushed women really look like. It was epic lol.
[–]Turbulent_GazelleFDS Newbie47 points48 points49 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
There are accounts who post the real vs. photoshopped pics and the pickme wannabes who claim the real ones are fake will fight you to the DEATH. "ShE's NaTuRaLlY bEaUtIfUl AnD yOu'Re JeAlOuS."
It's a joke.
[–]skyerippaFDS Newbie24 points25 points26 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
PuBeRtY and wEiGhT gAiN
[–]pet-fouffeFDS Newbie2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This drawing says it all
[–]GAaliyah12Pickmeisha™️31 points32 points33 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My coworker legit did not know Kylie Jenner had surgery.
[–]CandleCandelabra12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I once had a male customer tell me that it was nice to have a bartender who didn’t cover their natural beauty with makeup.
Bitch I had my daytime contour on, individual brow hairs drawn, that face took me 45 mins! There’s a reason why your Bloody Mary garnish wasn’t ready... bc I prioritized separating each mascara’d eyelash over doing my opening duties HA!
[–]RiasXgremoryXFDS Disciple27 points28 points29 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
??? yet they call themselves the logical more intelligent gender? What a bunch of braindead monkeys.
[–]pet-fouffeFDS Newbie10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow. And Kylie Jenner is a super obvious case of plastic surgery too. Most female celebrities have more subtle work done but if they don't pick up on Kylie, you can bet they won't on those other celebrities. I see so many people saying that Kendall stayed natural....dude....no.
[–]Turbulent_GazelleFDS Newbie53 points54 points55 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Rita Hayworth said, " Men go to bed with Gilda, but wake up with me." Even when they got her, they weren't happy she wasn't the femme fatale (who if they had paid attention was nothing more than talk in the first place) she was most famous for portraying.
[–]cwfs1007FDS Newbie49 points50 points51 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't forget full body wax
[–]yolosunshineFDS Newbie33 points34 points35 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I blew a male friend’s mind a few years ago on Instagram:
‘She has bad lip filler for sure’
‘Foundation, concealer, good primer, mascara, probably lashes’
‘Yeah that’s badly shopped’
‘No human spine works that way IRL’
They can’t tell. It’s not even in their brains. They just know it makes pp happy so I don’t know why they’re upset.
[–]Danidan197 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And this is why porn is bad
[–]AsianxChick6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol so true
[–]dresstimefanartFDS Newbie287 points288 points289 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
"I prefer girls with no makeup"
Proceeds to only fap to girls on Instagram and porn with 5 buckets of makeup and thinks girls with no makeup are ugly.
[–]relationship_redditFDS Newbie168 points169 points170 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
It's because they have no idea what no makeup looks like. If you're not basically in drag, they don't think you're wearing any.
[–]FabledAngryVillagerFDS Apprentice45 points46 points47 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Inorite? I get this comment / compliments and I'm wearing makeup lol
[–]AwkwardDisaster4150FDS Newbie58 points59 points60 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I rarely ever wear makeup and no guy has ever complimented me on that, but the rare occasion I do put some on of course they notice and say something. Guys want women to wear makeup. Idk why they would say otherwise.
[–]relationship_redditFDS Newbie18 points19 points20 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They're virtue signaling ("I'm not like other guys. I like a real woman with imperfections").
They have this idea that makeup is tricking them into getting with ugly women.
Or most likely, in my opinion, they're so used to seeing women with makeup, yet know nothing about it, so they think every day makeup (as opposed to a bold look) is what a woman's bare face looks like, and an actually bare face looks sick or tired in comparison.
[–]CanijustbekimFDS Newbie29 points30 points31 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Cause it's performative
[–]kahootofficialFDS Newbie328 points329 points330 points 3 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
Only attractive women exist to them, any woman they deem unattractive no longer exists, but are merely ghosts
[–]19Bubbles98FDS Newbie108 points109 points110 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
And they will treat you like sh*t if you aren't attractive.
[–]ImaginsanionFDS Newbie68 points69 points70 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
They will treat you like shit if you exist.
[–]19Bubbles98FDS Newbie15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And this too!
[–]PrettyPoppingFDS Newbie41 points42 points43 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Oh no the guy will just use you for homework answers and to have his first time with. He won't take you to Paris or anything like the bombshell.
[–]yolosunshineFDS Newbie14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The treatment all round is shit, but the difference is sometimes there’s loose change in the shit if you’re pretty.
Still have equal to greater chances of violence and death lol.
[–]PrettyPoppingFDS Newbie3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well it may be loose change to the man if he’s rich but if you’re not it feels like $$$$$. Yes men will beat on any woman I suppose.
[–][deleted] 90 points91 points92 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
and they're even lucky for this because men lie cheat and generally suck ass lol
[–]Starsuponstars156 points157 points158 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
We're not so "lucky" if we're trying to get hired by these men for a job, or helped by these men in any other way, including getting a fair share of any resource that they control, which is most resources.
Unattractive women earn up to 10% less pay than average.
Overweight women earn dramatically less than their thinner counterparts.
Unattractive female college students are graded more harshly.
Socially, unattractive women suffer discrimination and bullying from men and other women.
[–][deleted] 52 points53 points54 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Couldn't agree more. There's no winning in this situation at all.
[–]chasingastarl1ghtFDS Apprentice52 points53 points54 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Pretty privileges is 100% a thing However there's a "ceiling" of beauty allowed. If you go past that, you're reduced to a sex object incapable of thoughts.
[–]yolosunshineFDS Newbie16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’ve seen this in action and it’s jawdropping.
It’s not so much they reduce you, they can’t make the decision in the first place because all the blood has rushed to the little brain.
[–]Samantha0394 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Or punchlines.
[–]midwesternwindsFDS Newbie15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That doesn't sound like such a bad thing though. I mean, it's awful that they act like plain or homely women don't even exist, but being ignored by some men sounds pretty ideal honestly.
[–]Turbulent_GazelleFDS Newbie58 points59 points60 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Until you're a "homely" woman who is raped and the dense af judge tells you that you were lucky for the attention or that because the rapist is handsome that you must have willingly slept with him because "hE dOeSn'T nEeD tO rApE aNyOnE".
[–]NannieBobbs6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I gained 65lbs in a year and went from hot to invisible... I’ll tell ya, you aren’t really ignored, you’re treated like you should be desperate. ...even when you’re not. Confidence is seen as false confidence. Happiness is seen as an improvement regardless of how you felt earlier. You’re complimented on your attitude despite, well, being unattractive and fat. It drove me insane.
[–]saint-jezebelFDS Newbie180 points181 points182 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
They want a natural girl but then fawn over women who wear a full beat.
Total sidebar but I had a bunch of guys at work telling me I’m pretty, that’s why I don’t wear makeup. Full beat daily. That’s why when men say makeup looks cakey, I know they don’t know what makeup looks like for real real.
[–]FARTHARLOTFDS Apprentice135 points136 points137 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Stupid comments like that from men is what made me realize that compliments and attention from men is worth less than nothing.
Y’all are so dumb that you don’t know what make up and photoshop looks like, and then you want me to value your opinion on MY looks? Yea right. Anything other than clown make up is a “natural woman” for them.
[–]PasDeToutFDS Newbie36 points37 points38 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Then why are they so taken by the porn star look which is all about being obviously (to women, at least) super fake?
[–]skyerippaFDS Newbie25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
They wanna fuck the porn star but marry the homely looking girl
And then keep fucking the porn star.
Because the wife is to make their progeny and appease their mother, since 2000 BCE
[–]TheFinalGirl_21FDS Newbie7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I want to be homely so I can get a husband (with assets), so I can inherit his assets and receive his pension and such when I inevitably outlive him. I used to work in wealth management and was just amazed at how many of these frumpy old ladies had never worked a day in their lives, but were worth more than I ever would be because they got married young to successful men. Granted, they probably suffered for it a little bit.
But damn. Wouldn’t it be nice to be 70, still spry, and being able to enjoy your life in an estate (and summer in a luxury lake house), a boat and residual income from your deceased husband’s investments, traveling all the time all because you married an “alpha male” when you were 19. Never had to punch a clock, deal with a boss, work three jobs to make ends meet, play office politics. Just be plain looking and non-threatening and give a man a few babies.
I had so many clients like this, and I was so jealous. I’m a millennial, so I will never be able to retire, let alone in luxury.
[–]Turbulent_GazelleFDS Newbie92 points93 points94 points 3 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
I belong to several BII (breast implant illness) groups. While so many of us are suffering and working to get these toxic bags out, we're getting it from both sides. Many doctors keep telling women that if they take them out that their breasts are going to be ugly, scarred and granny like (it’s not true; most women no matter the age have gorgeous breasts after).
Then there are the husbands. No matter the fact that so many women have literally ended up sick and are literally dying from the diseases breast implants cause, their husbands are like. “So WhAt If YoU’rE dYiNg; Me WaNt BiG fUn BaGs To PlAy WiTh.” It’s disgusting to read. And it just reaffirms my decision to not date right now.
[–]kinda-embarrasingFDS Newbie21 points22 points23 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
As an A-cup girl who always thought breast implants were my only option to be desirable for men, I want to thank you and everyone else in those BII groups for telling the truth about the side effects that are being hidden and ridiculed by the misogynistic plastic surgery industry. I changed my mind, and will spend my boob job money on getting a masters degree.
[–]Turbulent_GazelleFDS Newbie11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you so much for letting me know. If I stopped one person from this nightmare, I am glad I spoke up.
Congratulations on making that decision! One more woman slowly dying from those toxic bags won't help the world but one more healthy woman who loves herself with a Master's degree surely will!
[–]whatshisproblem6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do you have any resources you could link me to to learn more? My implants don’t cause me to be sick at all, but I am considering just leaving them out when it comes time to replace them, but I’m nervous about what I’d look like.
[–]CSardothien_1FDS Newbie87 points88 points89 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lmao, these same men claim they are visual creatures yet can’t tell the difference between a natural look and manufactured images.
[–]cherriesandmilkFDS Newbie91 points92 points93 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It’s funny because they get mad at us for wanting a provider but at the same time expect to have models at their disposal.
[–]yolosunshineFDS Newbie15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I just want him to not look like he makes a ton of money but like, makes a ton of money ok? ✅
[–]MsBarbiePhdFDS Newbie98 points99 points100 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Intellectually I know those expectations are bullshit, but intrinsically I can’t shake them.
I still see my body as a series of flaws despite years of therapy and self work.
I just hope that the work women are doing now to deconstruct these damaging ideologies will make it better for women in the future.
[–]onceuponaseaFDS Newbie42 points43 points44 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’m with you sister.
[–]mtan15FDS Newbie92 points93 points94 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Natural = low maintenance. Be beautiful, but don't let that cost any money or time that might take away from me and my peepee
[–]yolosunshineFDS Newbie12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nailed it 💫
[–]valleygirl1223 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
totes. if you spend more than like 5 min. in the bathroom, they get concerned...
[–]will_dog2019FDS Newbie51 points52 points53 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And it’s ALWAYS said by some guy who looks like Jabba the Hutt and hasn’t changed his boxers in a week.
[–]yolosunshineFDS Newbie9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I like that you pointed this out.
I dislike that it’s so good/bad it’s gonna live in my head for a while.
[–]n3rdgir7FDS Newbie44 points45 points46 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
They're not lying though. They want a natural girl and not a natural woman.
[–]valleygirl1224 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
oooh...snap.
[–]rosepinksFDS Newbie41 points42 points43 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I used to be "natural." And my ex-LVM would comment on any hair on my body - I have very dark hair so its hard to always be hairless. He would neg me and put me down. He wouldn't want to be seen with me. I spent all of my time arguing with him and being gaslit that I truly neglected myself. I wouldn't eat well and was always bloated even tho I had always had a flat stomach. Now I take care of myself. I put *all* of my energy into being pampered and relaxed. I always look my best for me. I feel like I look so much better now that I am not pouring any energy into anyone else but me. There is nothing wrong with being "natural," but often it seems like men have a distorted view of whats natural. Or they just want someone low maintenance so they can be LVM. I am happy to be "high maintenance" because I am maintain myself. I feel so much better now without anyone weighing me down or constantly judging me.
[–]Turbulent_GazelleFDS Newbie30 points31 points32 points 3 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
EXACTLY.
"High maintenance" is a term they give to women who take care of ourselves physically, mentally and emotionally so we are hard to manipulate, break down and use. Any guy I hear or read use that term for a woman immediately is discounted because he'd rather put a woman down than step his game up.
[–]valleygirl1223 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
it means "high standards", to them, and we all know they dont like that, right???
[–]Turbulent_GazelleFDS Newbie2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
God forbid they grow tf up and become a HVM. Jesus. How lazy and gross can you be?
[–]valleygirl1224 points5 points6 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
omg, sounds like a guy I dated...he was always commenting on stuff like that, and I just thought it was weird, or just ignored it. wasnt until later I realized how controlling and manipulative it was, and since I didnt go along w/his requests, then obviously, I had no value, and had to go. (he started stalking my profile later, though, of course...).
he would comment on my clothes, one time I wore ripped jeans and he said he didnt like the style. he would say he liked my sweater/shirt, but then, he'd also be like "this again??? is this the same one you wore last time???" like, sorry, gee, I didnt know I was supposed to have such a huge wardrobe that I dont have to wear the same thing twice. if seeing the same shirt twice annoys you, then, you really have problems. he also wanted me to cut my hair. (most guys love long hair). he also asked if he could shave my arm hair. lol. which I thought was a weird request, as I'm not THAT hairy, lol. and, I actually like my arm hair. long nails were "weird" (ummmm, hellooooo...I'm a girl. or, did you want a dude???). and sweatpants were lazy or sloppy (since HE never wore them, of course.) those are also pretty standard these days. he would then start saying I was "too skinny". ummm, pretty sure I was about the same size I was a few weeks before, when we started dating, and he was saying how hot and "perfect" I was...lol. I really dont get guys. the fact that they can seem so nice and "normal" at first, and then, slowly reveal their true, ugly selves, is...shocking and horrifying. one reason I stay away from the MFers now.
I just disregarded his "requests", but he became more and more of a jerk, and later I wondered, if he was really just a controlling, manipulative narcissist, and thought since I was a "nice girl", that he could also control and manipulate me, and when he realized he couldnt, that thats when/why he became such an asshole. he also made a comment about "training" me, LOL. gosh, what a catch.
[–]ScrotonimoStiltonFDS Newbie90 points91 points92 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
They don't want women, they want teen girls. Those characteristics are all characteristics of grown women.
[–]SnooEagles9138FDS Newbie90 points91 points92 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I disagree pretty much all of those attributes can also apply to teen girls. I had cellulite as teen girl. And of course my period, body hair and especially skin imperfactions
[–]MarriedWithPizzaFDS Disciple50 points51 points52 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes yes! I had stretch marks and cellulite and body hair at a very young age, myself too! Ps: I have always been very self-conscious about my boobs too, since I was 14. They grew so fast and so much that they have ALWAYS kind of sagged.
[–]ScrotonimoStiltonFDS Newbie20 points21 points22 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I had the same things as well at 12 when I started my period. But do you see how many men like teen girls specifically the ones that look as young as possible?
[–]shesacarver2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I had all of these since middle school. The idea that these are only things that older women have just makes teen girls feel more abnormal even when they’re not.
[–]maddog11111113 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As evidenced by their over use of the word ‘girl’. Any guy over 25 should never use ‘girl’ as a way to describe women.
[–]yolosunshineFDS Newbie10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Where do you live that teen girls don’t have body hair, periods, or cellulite?
LA?
Westworld?
Enterprise’s Holodeck?
[–]valleygirl1222 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
the problem, though, is women catering to them and falling into this crap. they couldnt get teen girls anyway, so why should we try to compete w/them??? if so many women would just stop trying to live up to these unrealistic standards, then theyd have no choice but to have to deal w/it, and see what "natural" actually looks like.
[–]inlovewithaloserFDS Newbie16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The stretch marks/body imperfections not being welcomed is just another symptom of their rejection of an actual, real woman in their lives. It’s the reason they ghost women in enormous amounts, once shit gets serious. They are genuinely terrified of our femininity and everything it entails. They cannot handle the fact that we are real.
[–]fairywakesFDS Newbie16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Crazy what the porn industry has them believing is 'au naturel'.
[–]dkwantsdkFDS Newbie14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I don't even know what this means anymore. Wtf is "natural?" Men state things about women's bodies that make no damn sense.
[–]valleygirl1225 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
well, hair is "natural". but, we all know they dont like that, of course...(except on your head.)
[–]CellswellsThrowaway Account13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Omg this. LVM to me: “wooooow...your hair is so dark and shiny.” Same LVM asked me once, near aghast: “you don’t dye your hair, do you!!!?” (I’m in my 30s and OCD level compulsive about not allowing any gray to show). Me, “Ummm...you don’t use viagra bc you can’t get it up due to all day porn abuse, do you?” 🤔 just sayin...
[–]PasDeToutFDS Newbie20 points21 points22 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think it’s because they mean ‘girl’ literally.
[–]sunset_sunshine30FDS Newbie13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is so so accurate
[–]mysecretdiary2Throwaway Account11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The only thing that’s good about this is you can weed them out easily. Lol.
[–]redhotbars-3365 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I once had an LVM boyfriend tell me that periods are “disgusting” and wouldn’t touch me or kiss me when I had my periods 😒
[–]Jazzlike-Echidna-7316 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women should all come to an agreement and go natural in every way they feel comfortable. Then brain dead men will maybe start to understand and appreciate the glorious Goddesses. Most forms of media and society have created this. We all have a hand in it to be honest.
[–]cici_sweetheartFDS Newbie15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Lookism
[–]cici_sweetheartFDS Newbie13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As a woman I’ve fluctuated weight throughout the years but I feel like I get treated better when I’m normal or close to normal BMI by everyone
[–]imarriedmybookshelfFDS Newbie12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
LVM: "I don't like women who wear lots of makeup" Also LVM: lusts over heavily made up women
[–]TheFinalGirl_21FDS Newbie33 points34 points35 points 3 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link
I hate that they pit us against each other, while basically treating us equally terrible.
“Men only want to date hot women. If you’re not attractive, you’re invisible.”
They want to have sex with and be seen publicly with hot women, but that’s it. They choose plainer-looking women for LTRs and marriage. Being lusted after incessantly, while also being denied commitment for most of my adult life, I started researching this. Read somewhere that it’s a biological thing that goes back to prehistoric times. Cavemen didn’t trust settling down with women who too many other men found physically desirable, because it increased the likelihood that he may end up having to support offspring that weren’t biologically his. They have not evolved at all, and we’re made to feel inadequate. It’s all so sad.
[–]Turbulent_GazelleFDS Newbie23 points24 points25 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I had a "friend" tell me that people only were only nice to me because I had big breasts. Yeah it couldn't be because I treat people well and am pleasant, right? The pickmeshas are worse than the incels and scrotes sometimes.
[–]SayNadFDS Newbie6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I had a "friend" tell me that people only were only nice to me because I had big breasts.
By her "logic", little children and women were only nice to you because of your breasts too. Which is stupid.
[–]Turbulent_GazelleFDS Newbie4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Her kids, the neighborhood kids, the old women, the DOGS, everyone was nice to me. Can't only be the boobs!
Little did she know I could have had her husband had I wanted him. Sigh... NICE FOR WHAT!?!?!?
[–]TheFinalGirl_21FDS Newbie16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
I’ve been on the receiving end of similar sentiments from a “friend”. I’ve been called a pickme, too. Being attractive and friendly at the same time seems to be a lose-lose for us. Men assume we’re open for business. Insecure women assume we’re just trying too hard. Although, my friendships with women have grown stronger since I stopped dealing with men. Because I’m no longer “competition”, perhaps? The older I get, the more I understand why so many older, elegant beauties I knew of growing up seemed like such cold b——s all the time. They knew. You don’t get to be sweet and bubbly if you’re pretty. The world will not allow it.
[–]Turbulent_GazelleFDS Newbie12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
OMG, THIS.
I stopped taking care of myself for a long time, but that has ended. I have one of those megawatt smiles and I started covering my mouth for some reason. I wore braces, dammit, I am NOT hiding these damn teeth for these insecure pickmes! I no longer hide my light under a bushel to make other people feel better.
I don't hang out with anyone who thinks I am competition. The only person I am in competition with is myself. I strive to be a better me tomorrow than I was today.
But I have also learned the fine art of, "Do No Harm But Take No Shit."
[–]TheFinalGirl_21FDS Newbie9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
“The only competition is myself”
EXACTLY. I wish people understood this really basic principle. More people would be so much happier.
or sane. or happy. or trusting.
totes. they want the ego boost of "getting" a hot girl, and being able to show her off to all his friends...but he cant keep her, cuz thats too much work. they want someone "average" who doesnt bother w/her looks, that way shes not wasting any time in the bathroom (i.e., away from him).
its really sad. then, of course, you get older, and suddenly guys will start start trying to insult us, by saying how many "desperate middle-aged women" there are on dating sites...gee, I wonder why. chased after and harrassed for your looks and body in your youth, but never good enough to date, apparently...then when we inevitably get older, it's "oh, how sad. look...theyre all desperate." LOL, except, we're not actually desperate, they just assume so bc they arent horny 20-somethings anymore, drooling over us.
then they get to call us "crazy". gee, I wonder why so many females have mental problems. they can thank themselves for those, too.
[–]boardinbetty3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Natural to men means a hot girl with no flaws that wears "natural" looking makeup.
[–]hedoesitallyo4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've had men on Tinder with high standards like these... smh...
[–]tayraysita3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Men don't want "natural", we all know that. What they want is a low maintenance woman who looks high maintenance without inconveniencing them and infringing on their time AND doesn't make them put in any extra effort. As per usual, someone who allows them to have their cake and eat it too. Im sorry but it takes work and effort and tine and money and I do it for myself because im the one who appreciates it for all ot entails. Its not a magic spell!
[–]butt2buttresuscitate3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And God forbid if they have ANY body hair at all...
Meanwhile the man has back hair, nose hair, ear hair, and a tangle vine of pubic hair that would deter even the most robust hatchet wielding jungle explorer...
[–]alien_under_cover1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"period"?????
As if we can choose to not have them??
Bruh..
[–]Regular-Abrocoma-5241 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So legit
[–]flexican_american1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Your partners unique features are sexy.
[–]i88u1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They want her to put in the effort but for her to be low-maintanence
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[–]turquoisestar-1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Awww that's depressing
[–]frinkadoodle-1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, who wants a girl with skin?
Erm, sorry, I can't read. Lol.
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