UN Women are endorsing anti-male discrimination

baserace · 2015-06-16T11:37:11+00:00

Way to devalue your brand and demean those women authors who are published on merit.

#everydaysexism

Gazareth · 2015-06-16T13:30:21+00:00

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Youareabadperson6 · 2015-06-16T13:15:56+00:00

Seems like a good way to get sued. Male submits a story, denied, sue that he was denied on basis of gender, has proof positive that policy exists to exclude him on basis of his gender.

walkonthebeach · 2015-06-16T13:42:53+00:00

You know how many women have NY Times bestselling novels, win awards, prizes and get amazing recognition. Very many. If ANY industry was purely equitable and based on the author's quality/skill, it would be the writing industry.

It's absolutely astonishing that anyone actually looks at novelists and goes "well, there are many female authors, who publish many books and get many sales and prizes - BUT I still see enough sexism to deny Men from publishing for a year". It just feels like western feminism is finding itself short of battlegrounds, so it's now rehashing old ones.

bougabouga · 2015-06-16T13:24:30+00:00

This will forever be used to prove that feminism is not interested in gender equality, good job UN.

Dazz316 · 2015-06-16T14:34:16+00:00

Let's fight discrimination by discriminating

victorymonk · 2015-06-16T15:34:37+00:00

Anyone from the UK wants to sue them? There was a recent thread by someone who said he has money and wants to do something.

They in violation because they receive public money. Specifically:

1) "And Other Stories" take public funding from the Lottery Fund and the Arts Council (http://www.andotherstories.org/about/arts-council-fiction-group/)

All the publishers in the group have received significant Arts Council England funding, either from the National Portfolio or the National Lottery funding administered via Grants for the Arts...

2) Lottery Fund prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex/gender (https://www.biglotteryfund.org.uk/about-big/our-approach/equalities/learn-about-equality) the .pdf file "Equality Matters". It's right there in the first Section, p. 6

"As a result, people cannot be discriminated against on the basis of: a their sex/gender"

shinarit · 2015-06-16T14:13:25+00:00

After Emma Watson I don't expect much from UN Women. They don't disappoint.

PerniciousOne · 2015-06-16T14:49:39+00:00

No men allowed, means no men need to support or spend any male earned money towards any of the books created in the next year. Happy Piracy!

AFuddyDuddy · 2015-06-16T15:49:38+00:00

Apply this logic to daycare centers, and teaching.

Suddenly, there are riots everywhere because massage a knee

girlwriteswhat · 2015-06-16T15:10:04+00:00

When I was querying publishers, there were a few things that actual editors and agents recommended:

Do NOT put any educational background or relevant credentials into your letter unless they pertain directly to the subject matter of the book.

That is, no publisher or agent is going to care if you took a creative writing program. They only care about your credentials if, say, you're pitching a book on psychology and are a psychologist. Or if you're proposing a series of books about a fictional forensic anthropologist and are a noted forensic anthropologist.

As far as the quality of the writing in fiction, it's supposed to stand alone. A publisher will accept a book written by a highschool drop-out if it's good. They'll reject one written by someone with a masters in literature if it's shit.

I would expect that the same applies to the sex of the writer.

2015-06-16T14:50:30+00:00

beat gender bias

Does not allow men to publish.

Inspiderface · 2015-06-16T16:48:45+00:00

To prove that we are not biased against any gender, we will no longer accept any entries from men.

misterwings · 2015-06-16T14:18:11+00:00

Good to know that equality does not mean raising women up but tearing men down. Silly me I thought it was not a zero sum game.

walkonthebeach · 2015-06-16T14:13:34+00:00

Small point, but I met a guy the other day in the gym, who works for the UN. He says it is riddled with women's groups, NGO and other organisations. Everyone is sick of it, and it's becoming crazy.

Unenjoyed · 2015-06-16T15:29:26+00:00

The UN could have been a force for good in this world, but then world leaders got involved and ruined it.

pounds_not_dollars · 2015-06-16T14:13:01+00:00

Have they not heard of JK Rowling?

Consensus_Realities · 2015-06-16T16:44:34+00:00

And this is why people hate feminism

Sour_Badger · 2015-06-16T13:30:13+00:00

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Vandechoz · 2015-06-16T17:24:32+00:00

This is feminism.

rapscallionx · 2015-06-16T19:26:32+00:00

from imgur comments:

Oh for fuck's sake, here we go, cue the masses of guys who will twist this into an excuse to complain that it's all an anti-male conspiracy

Almost like cuing the masses of feminists who will twist the publication disparity to complain about a "publishers are all anti-female" conspiracy.

could you shove your foot in your mouth any harder?

The only difference is that the feminists are directly claiming that their plan is discriminatory. Whereas the gender disparity in publishing is just a bias speculation that assumes discrimination.

2015-06-16T14:07:59+00:00

This is like some kind of passive-aggressive book burning.

just_zhis_guy · 2015-06-16T14:51:28+00:00

Perhaps if women just^{wrote^{better^books...}}

ijoinedtosay · 2015-06-16T15:30:58+00:00

This so stupid it makes my head hurt.

organicvegetable · 2015-06-16T18:25:27+00:00

As a woman, I find this absolutely insulting. You're going to publish my work based on my gender?

Last time I checked, I don't pick out a boom at the store because it was written by a woman, I pick it out because it's interesting.

This is absolute crap.

Electroverted · 2015-06-16T14:18:14+00:00

I assume they're being bank rolled? Because if not, this is a terrible idea.

emperorhirohito · 2015-06-16T18:08:44+00:00

Oh no! Because everyone knows the UN is such a potent and just body that doesn't let the dictatorships of the world run riot while constraining the reasonable actions of democracies

/s

2015-06-16T18:48:49+00:00

This indicates quite well the sorts of attitudes which are widely held and considered acceptable by an unignoreable portion of society.

Don't let reddit feminists tell you these attitudes are only held by radicals or "straw feminists", this is as mainstream as you can get.

qp0n · 2015-06-16T20:44:51+00:00

Isn't the most wealthy author in world history a woman?

ThePigmanAgain · 2015-06-16T21:27:03+00:00

That's nothing -- it was the fucking UN that came up with the idea of giving men no food in the aftermath of the Haitian earthquake.

Redditor_1001 · 2015-06-16T16:42:35+00:00

Affirmative Action is the most counterproductive policy I can think of.

AlmightyCraneDuck · 2015-06-16T17:11:58+00:00

Yeah! Let's fight gender bias with gender bias! That'll show them!!

ryan321321 · 2015-06-16T19:47:11+00:00

Breaking news! Book publisher goes bankrupt from lack of book production.

rogerwatersbitch · 2015-06-16T16:05:22+00:00

This is an embarassment and needs to be called out, because if it isnt, it will be happening more and more.

Macismyname · 2015-06-16T17:26:14+00:00

Yeah! Because these women will never get their books published on the merits of their writing! Let's end sexism by implying women need an obviously sexist and demeaning hand out to get ahead!

cputnik · 2015-06-16T17:29:02+00:00

marketing stoops to a new low

cowardly_lying · 2015-06-16T17:42:29+00:00

This is a great idea. This publisher gets good publicity and gets the pick of the litter for undiscovered female talent. It only works if they are the only ones who attempt this.

jb_trp · 2015-06-16T19:07:14+00:00

To fix the gender bias in combat deaths, the UN is only going to allow women into the armed services until as many of them die as men.... Riiight?

/s

2015-06-16T20:12:25+00:00

Do feminists not see how pathetic they are making women look? The only way you can get published is by denying male authors?

scemcee · 2015-06-16T22:53:45+00:00

Yeah, beat gender bias in publishing by establishing an absolute gender bias- brilliant!

MSDefenseForce · 2015-06-16T23:49:34+00:00

I look forward to the next announcement to address the serious gender bias in the coal mining and wind turbine maintenance industries. Why are women being excluded from these lucrative opportunities? What can we do to encourage more women to become coal miners at an early age?

sudo-intellectual · 2015-06-17T01:42:28+00:00

It's too bad so many people still do not understand discrimination is bad for humanity.

You can't un-oppress a group by discriminating against another group.

ledfox · 2015-06-17T01:47:48+00:00

Anyone else interested in publishing under a female pseudonym, just to work around this ridiculous policy?

2015-06-17T02:06:03+00:00

Focusing on getting more women to submit their books to you is one thing, actively discriminating against men to only sign with women is another.

What do they even hope to gain with this? Plenty of women writers in the world. So they'd turn away the best book they've ever read because a person with a penis wrote it?

The comments in there are retarded. "ONE PUBLISHER who cares?" So it's okay to discriminate as long as only one company, or a minority of companies are doing it? How does that work? Discrimination is discrimination. And this company is discriminating on who they publish.

Saw someone in there mention publishers who only sign with LBGT writers, and if that's true then I'm against that too. Publish books on merit, not their writer's person.

2015-06-16T16:32:16+00:00

Literature and book publishing is already dominated by women from the top down. Romance novels are still the best selling genre, and it's consumed primarily by women. JK Rowling, Stephanie Meyer, EL James and Suzanne Collins have multi million dollar film franchises under their belts. So don't sit there and tell me that women are discriminated against in the literary world because that's a huge pile of pure bullshit.

notacrackheadofficer · 2015-06-16T17:17:06+00:00

The more time one spends on the UN's own websites, poking around, the creepier they become. I am obviously up for the karma hit, but anyone who goes to their websites and starts poking around will see. Those who don't, won't. I totally get that.
''received a relatively positive, I would say warm, welcome. But what it will mean in practice is that we have to go to the Security Council before conflict arises. Judging from certain elements that we will study, particularly human rights violations to give those early war nings, we will then hopefully have steps taken, fact finding missions, semi monitors, human rights monitors, inspiring quiet diplomacy. Dag Hammarskjold, a former Secretary General, was a master at this, finding different ways of reaching parties through neighbours or influencing other actors, more foreign diplomacy, anyway a long list of actions to be taken at the stage of human rights violation in order to prevent a conflict from exploding in our face. We have started in that spirit recently by, I think, in both cases not early warning but late warning. In the Central African Republic where we probably should have sounded the alarm earlier, in the end we were extremely dramatic about the developments in November and I think the French in particular picked that up and steps were taken to avoid what could have been an even worse disaster than we have seen in the Central African Republic. In the case of South Sudan in the spirit of the ‘Rights Up Front’ initiative, we opened up the gates of the UN compounds and camps when the Nuer and Dinkas were killing each other in great numbers and I think I can say fairly that we, by that saved thousands of lives in those horrible days that those gates were open. That would not have been done without this initiative. This is what I wanted to say on the third pillar of the United Nations, human rights. Let me now say a few words about the new global landscape, as I call it. I sometimes tell my colleagues at the United Nations that we, in this organisation, must reflect three realities. We must see the United Nations as a mirror reflection of the world as it is, whether we like it or not, with the violence, with the human rights violations, with the extreme poverty, with the inequalities. We had better know this. Do not have any romantic views. You have to be making a very hard nosed realistic analysis of what goes on. That is the starting point, that is the reality. The second reality we have to reflect is also the emerging new realities, the emerging new trends, so that we can be advanced, be working for the international environment. And the third reality that we have to reflect is the world as it should be. The world, as it is, is a pretty nasty place, but the world as it should be is what is represented in the UN charter and the universal declaration of human rights, and the reason why many of us, and many of you I am sure, believe in international cooperation, believe in the spirit and values of this organisation, and our job is very simply to diminish the gap between the world as it is and the world as it should be. Just a little bit, but at least we are trying.''
http://www.oxcis.ac.uk/lectures/04062014%20Eliasson.pdf
''The rule of law is being recognized within the UN as being essential in developing the bridge to a new civilization, indicating an ascending life of human aspiration and endeavour ... a world of goodwill.'' .....
''Promoting the rule of law at the national and international levels is at the heart of the United Nations’ mission. Establishing respect for the rule of law is fundamental to achieving a durable peace in the aftermath of conflict, to the effective protection of human rights, and to sustained economic progress and development. The principle that everyone – from the individual right up to the State itself – is accountable to laws that are publicly promulgated, equally enforced and independently adjudicated, is a fundamental concept which drives much of the United Nations work.''
http://www.un.org/en/ruleoflaw/
Official UN website search for the term marijuana:
HERE
Is that fucking horrifying, or what? No one in support of any loosening up of weed laws or prosecution, et cetera can possibly support the UN in any way. They are the prohibitionists' best friend. They foment serious violence over it in dangerous countries. As you can see by their own website search.
Ignore conspiracy themed websites and stick to official UN websites, and those of their stated ''partners'' , i.e., The World Goodwill Program.
See creepy stuff about policing the fuck out of the world with rule of law and drugs are bad and stomp stomp stomp. Crushing all indigenous thought into their ''think globally'' efforts. I support indigenous tribes thinking locally and in an indigenous manner. I am sickened by anyone desiring that the world come together to think alike in a global way. They are fucking dupes in delusion, leading to world control. They'll run to it like puppies to the teat.
THX-1138

iDemonix · 2015-06-16T17:34:46+00:00

It's fine, just 'identify as female' when you publish.

2015-06-16T16:41:25+00:00

Either they will be publishing a lot less books, or a lot more shitty books. This is such a dumb move.

Whisper · 2015-06-16T17:19:43+00:00

will produce no books by men... to beat gender bias...

My sides.

2015-06-16T19:00:50+00:00

Assholes.

CosmicCatLady · 2015-06-16T19:02:53+00:00

Can't we all just get along. Getting jobs and contracts based on our work/skills and less on gender equality.

Raudskeggr · 2015-06-16T19:20:12+00:00

To beat publishing gender bias?

Anyone have numbers on published living authors by gender? If be surprised if it wasn't pretty even...

That said, this is marketing. This will only draw in the demographic they're targeting.

AloysiusC · 2015-06-16T19:30:21+00:00

These people are so pathetic. No amount of blocking or suppressing will change what they think is discrimination.

scanspeak · 2015-06-16T20:38:06+00:00

The UNITED nations seems determined to divide the sexes.

Lhtfoot · 2015-06-16T21:09:14+00:00

That does it!!!

In retribution, I call on all men to not "hold it back" during sex, FOR A YEAR!

PeteMullersKeyboard · 2015-06-16T21:15:05+00:00

The UN is one of the most disgusting organizations in the history of the world, this doesn't even surprise me.

jimmywiddle · 2015-06-16T21:16:27+00:00

has anyone got a link to the actual twitter item ? I couldn't find it on there.

2015-06-16T22:45:41+00:00

Someone write the best book of the year under a female pen name please.

Klamters · 2015-06-16T23:01:51+00:00

So does this mean male authors are going to go by a more feminine name to get their books sold?

casemodz · 2015-06-16T15:41:51+00:00

This will be known as "the year that absolutely no quality books were written"

Sasha_ · 2015-06-16T17:38:35+00:00

Wealthiest author in the world is JK Rowling. Who is, obviously, a woman.

Drunkenestbadger · 2015-06-16T16:44:22+00:00

I remember in Salman Rushdie's memoir, Joseph Anton, there is a passage where he and other authors discuss how male dominated the writing world is. It was their feeling that the publishing world "was not an equal opportunity employer." And did not owe anyone a quota system. He made the point that he was the sole representative of South East Asia - a sixth of the world's population.

If this publisher suceeds, more power to them. Many books by female authors deserve to be published that haven't been, but were it my business, I feel it would be a bone-headed move akin to trying to win a footrace by hopping on one foot.

Busangod · 2015-06-17T01:49:11+00:00

Who cares? Books, like anything else, are published because of their perceived value. If women had been writing books of value, we'd be seeing more female authors. If this company wants to publish books that won't sell, that's awesome for the competition. Once they see their profits failing, after the early rush of buy-it-because-a-woman-wrote-it support dies down, they'll change their tune. Art is different from most jobs, in that you just can't fake it. You can't make an unfunny comedian funny, you can't make a mediocre author great.

2015-06-16T17:13:06+00:00

I'm a little confused as to how not publishing men and only publishing women does anything BUT promote gender bias... Smh

apullin · 2015-06-16T18:00:14+00:00

Someone should just submit under a female pseudonym, or use a ghost writer. Even if they don't win, reveal afterwards.

sosorrynoname · 2015-06-16T19:46:14+00:00

Men don't buy those shitty books anyway.

cynoclast · 2015-06-16T19:54:08+00:00

We will beat gender bias with gender bias.

bsutansalt · 2015-06-16T20:06:08+00:00

will only produce books by women...to beat gender bias

Yes, lets fight sexism by being sexist! That'll solve everything! /s

Hammsaladjr · 2015-06-16T20:17:23+00:00

Your not making it even, your just reversing it.

mindscrambler26 · 2015-06-16T21:05:33+00:00

sigh...time to start pretending to be a woman like that "Tootsie" film and "Mrs. Doubtfire" and several other comedies

Jimmyx24 · 2015-06-16T21:41:41+00:00

What I'm seeing here is they're going to be publishing more sub-par content because it's from a woman rather than more noteworthy content from a man.

Alright fellas, we've seen it done hundreds of times. You guys set up the stage, I'll get the microphone and speakers, and someone start making signs with ridiculous exaggerations on them.

Nah jk. What are we, women?

tmh2duggy · 2015-06-16T21:58:41+00:00

The day I have FU money I'm just going to take any bs like this and do the exact opposite with a business I own to see how it goes

2015-06-16T22:12:03+00:00

Right wing conservatives?

sjwking · 2015-06-16T22:17:40+00:00

Hmm and my company will only publish writing from animals of the planet earth. Cause humanity is dead if the UN is endorsing sexism.

slideforlife · 2015-06-16T23:16:01+00:00

like I would ever buy a book published by this house

gsettle · 2015-06-16T23:23:54+00:00

Of course!

jaxrasta · 2015-06-17T12:51:45+00:00

How are they defeating gender bias? They are just reversing the bias from on gender to another. I'm tired of these idiot that push for equality but are so blinded by their agenda that they can't see they are now just another problem.

Dakrys · 2015-06-16T16:18:26+00:00

"My books failed because I'm a woman."

Ok.

To be perfectly fair, the biggest female author is probably JK Rowling and she went with JK because she specifically intended to write for little boys who think girls are icky.

Wilson_loop · 2015-06-16T17:31:07+00:00

Who cares

Felinomancy · 2015-06-16T22:59:27+00:00

Solution: publish the book under a female name.

Xuttuh · 2015-06-16T21:41:19+00:00

maybe if women just wrote better stories in the first place?

Akesgeroth · 2015-06-17T02:51:09+00:00

UN women are endorsing a propaganda campaign to get people's attention concerning actual discrimination which actual women are facing in actual third world countries. Not every country out there is a western nation.

But, you know, if you think the saudis are treating their women right, go ahead and keep whining you stupid assholes.

insaneHoshi · 2015-06-16T19:10:20+00:00

Why is this an issue?

People should be allowed to have [Men|Women|Black|White|Horse]-only awards.

If its only socially acceptable to have one of the above, the solution is to pull the rest up, rather than the rest down.

TheWheatOne · 2015-06-17T01:16:50+00:00

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SKNK_Monk · 2015-06-16T16:20:28+00:00

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Title	UN Women are endorsing anti-male discrimination
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Date	June 16, 2015 11:24 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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