How is this okay???

theothermod · 2017-10-05T10:43:11+00:00

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kartu3 · 2017-10-04T09:02:52+00:00

We need to spread awareness about "mostly men" being in strong contrast with actual findings by the government, which show us that males are roughly as likely to be victims.

PS
Stats by Canadian government:
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-224-x/2010000/ct002-eng.htm

HeForeverBleeds · 2017-10-04T14:17:50+00:00

Wow they missed the target completely here.

It's extremely damaging to claim abusers are mostly men and that there are often no early warning signs.

Abusers, men and women, often have multiple "red flags" of their true nature. Psychopaths are psychopaths, gender doesn't apply.

horchard1999 · 2017-10-04T11:29:18+00:00

It’s a violence against women course, myths vs reality. It’s on futurelearn if you wanna have a look

Symos404 · 2017-10-04T09:27:27+00:00

Just more perpetuation of androphobia

azbiker · 2017-10-04T15:20:13+00:00

If this is a class at a school, I would take this up to your Title IX person and let them know you feel discriminated and harassed based on your gender.

inexplicably_angry · 2017-10-04T15:51:09+00:00

And yet lesbian relationships show the highest rates of abuse.

Almost like both genders are capable of violence but some genders are more likely to report it and some genders are actively discouraged from reporting their abuser.

2017-10-04T12:42:20+00:00

If this is for school or a job I would go up the chain and create hell about it. I’d even go to the local news/paper and demand for a change

HeForeverBleeds · 2017-10-04T16:09:11+00:00

I hate how they use "violence against women" and "gender-based violence" interchangeably in the first place. A lot of violence against women is not specifically because she's a woman (e.g. a man who hits a woman unprovoked could be an alcoholic just as likely to get into bar fights with men or hit male family members)

And a lot of violence against men is specifically because he's a man (e.g. some men may hit a man but then wouldn't hit a woman in the same circumstances because he believes a man should "never hit a woman"; and some women hit men because they think a man won't hit her back)

It's a shame that a person this ignorant and prejudice is someone meant to "educate" people

AshenMacaroon · 2017-10-04T15:26:31+00:00

“How can we identify burglars?”

“Primarily niggers because the majority steals”

That’s how they sound

2017-10-04T15:16:06+00:00

It isn't okay, but because we allowed feelings based education to become the standard, this kind of factless delusional curriculum is rapidly becoming the norm.

greenleefs · 2017-10-04T16:52:20+00:00

So what are the qualifications for being a "lead educator"?

I'm serious, I need a new job.

L3tum · 2017-10-04T20:48:20+00:00

As a male loner with social anxiety who's been called a rapist for no reason at all: fuck that and also the OP I saw a while back

perplexedm · 2017-10-04T10:24:38+00:00

This is only okay equally because of pansy whiteknights and rabid feminasties.

Those men who pander to pussy at a whim is biggest bane of mens rights. Not feminasties themselves.

LateralThinker13 · 2017-10-04T15:32:44+00:00

FUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK YOU Ms. McGoldrick.

2017-10-04T17:02:06+00:00

Roisin McGoldrick - "Lead Educator" and sexist. What a god damn moron.

justgimmeaccountname · 2017-10-04T20:25:33+00:00

I'm so sick and tired of this. This double standard between men and women. As the rest of us are.

I made a mistake a while back and stuck my dick in crazy. Now to be fair, my cheese isnt exactly on its cracker either.

Let me tell you about my night last night. The GF is having a manic fit. She is bipolar and borderline. Not a good mix! I recommend avoiding at all costs!! Yeah she is going batshit crazy. I locked myself in my room after sliding by her. She was antagonizing and trying to goad me into fighting with her. I could tell she was craving violence.

So there I sit in my room with the door locked. Listening to her scream, throw things, bang on my door repeatedly. She asked to open the door and after a few minutes and promised to be cool. Then she got in my face to stare me down and told me that I should be afraid and left. I then locked the door and stayed until her mania was over and she then got in her crying and remorse mode.

When I came outside my door is busted. She either kicked it or something but crushed it on the outside. She asked to sit calmly outside and talk or listen which I did. With my voice recorder app running on my phone. She proceeds to tell me about the state of mind and how she could have killed me. How she wanted to harm me and shred my face with her nails. Yes I have this all recorded.

I chose to do nothing and let it simmer. I was very much in my right to call the cops. Or was I?

So lets rewind a few years and talk about the time I had an episode. Mine occurred on a different floor and was alcohol induced. That and the knife she was holding when I came upstairs after being out all night drinking. I never laid a hand on this woman. But would you believe when I passed out I was awoken to the police. To my detriment I left out the knife. I was hoping that it would be left alone, but I created some damage to my property downstairs while she remained upstairs. Its was my shit and I had my fit and passed out.

Because she was scared I spent the night in jail charged with simple assault. I had to lawyer up and eventually is was dropped. I manged to get a recording of her talking about the knife. There was basically no case other than me breaking some possessions that I will have to replace. Yeah not cool, but I didnt do shit to that woman.

This woman has scratched, thrown, punched me in the back of the head and last night told me that she was in a state of mind to where she was considering doing serious harm to me.

I had every right to call the cops. By the law she assaulted me. However if I called the cops, I very well could be the one hauled off to jail. That was a chance I was willing to take. So instead I CYA with a recording device for defense. But then again once you get arrested the arrest is always there regardless if there is a conviction or not.

CttCJim · 2017-10-04T22:47:05+00:00

https://imgur.com/a/4FvLR

Bet she doesn't answer.

2017-10-04T15:55:23+00:00

Why dont they ever show statistics for false accusations of violence/rape and what not? Hmmm

captainp42 · 2017-10-04T15:53:33+00:00

Context? What is this from?

jimmywiddle · 2017-10-04T16:17:52+00:00

What do you expect doing a course entitled "Understanding violence against women". Its pretty obviously going to have been written by a feminist nut job.

Spoonwood · 2017-10-04T17:01:20+00:00

What McGoldrick says is wrong. It is a small minority of men who do such. It is not something that happens across all spheres of life.

Pmileti · 2017-10-04T18:04:27+00:00

Its not, but the feminists of the world don't give a crap and the second we stop empowering idiots via mass media is the second we stop seeing this type of bullshit.

Leinadro · 2017-10-04T18:57:50+00:00

So here is a link to the course:

https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/understanding-violence-against-women?lr=101

It appears to be a website that offers free courses to educate people on various subjects but nothing seriously accredited like a university.

yuck_feah · 2017-10-04T19:41:05+00:00

I’m not defending it - but I would like to see he numbers to suggest that victims are equally men and women. If not, I guess the ticked answer (not the explanation) is right?

Bobbi_fettucini · 2017-10-04T19:49:15+00:00

Wow that’s funny because I know several friends that have had some pretty mentally abusive girlfriends

Arctorkovich · 2017-10-04T21:21:27+00:00

It's the incorrect answer. The correct answer is OPTION FOUR. Gavin De Becker recently talked about this on Rogan's podcast.

"Lead educator," what a joke.

2017-10-04T22:21:23+00:00

It’s surprising how much I am growing to hate the feminist movement these days. I have always been an equality favouring member of society but there are so many bent and twisted women out there it seems dangerous to give them an elevated platform.

Buy_Us_Fuck_You · 2017-10-05T01:33:21+00:00

Also this is bullshit, ive been physically abused by almost ever girl ive gone out with yet ive NEVER lifted my hand to a female....

These stats are bullshit because men dont report this shit and honestly why would i, a girl hits me a bunch it doesn't really inflict much damage beyond a few scrapes....but this sort of shit pisses me off...

TheRavenousRabbit · 2017-10-05T03:32:06+00:00

This is not only false but simply sexist. In fact, whenever there is non-reciprocal violence, the woman is the abuser 70% of the time, which is rather telling.

lemproplayer · 2017-10-04T11:58:50+00:00

🅱️eminism

IchthysdeKilt · 2017-10-04T16:40:57+00:00

My personal test to determine if you're being "-ist" is thus: replace the subject of your statement (men, here) with another class and see if it's now an obvious "-ist" statement. The easiest in today's climate is probably "black people" to see if the statement is now racist.

"No, abusers are mainly black people - not monsters" is clearly racist. Therefore this statement is most likely "-ist" against the original subject, men.

dns7950 · 2017-10-04T17:57:50+00:00

I can totally picture the person who wrote these questions.

400 pounds

Purple or blue hair in the "I'd like to speak to the manager" haircut.

Giant obnoxious lip piercing that makes them look like they were in a horrific fishing accident where somebody tried to catch them, not realizing that a harpoon was required.

Constantly posts things r/thathappened on Tumblr

mymraccount_ac · 2017-10-04T15:52:57+00:00

Unfortunately I don't think anything can be done about it in context. By saying that abusers are mainly men, they avoid labelling all men. And since it's a course specific to violence against women, mentioning that gender-based violence is also committed by women is mute. Futurelearn is owned by the Open University if anyone is interested in complaining.

SnoLeppard13 · 2017-10-04T16:31:29+00:00

If they reworded it to say “normal people” and not “men” it would be a good point...

StevO_32 · 2017-10-04T17:07:22+00:00

Hopefully this is just a ploy to see Who and what demographic clicks that response

2017-10-04T18:22:51+00:00

I'm all for men's rights, but coming from /r/all, I think they're poorly playing off the band "of monsters and men"

SpeedDart1 · 2017-10-04T19:58:59+00:00

TBH I'm more worried about young girls believing this and then getting into an abusive relationship and not seeing the signs of it early and getting out.

Supposed "feminist" really harms females. What a disgrace.

2017-10-04T20:04:26+00:00

I thought it might even be a little misogynist in that it was using "men" in place of "humans" like when speaking broadly, but then Roisin McGoldrick is here to tell me otherwise. I guess I can see why an autist would study sociology.

NullIsUndefined · 2017-10-04T20:26:06+00:00

I'm surprised they didn't go for the "why not both?" approach.

Hey at least tacos will always be great in this world.

2017-10-04T23:18:05+00:00

At least they didn't call men monsters. /s

Buy_Us_Fuck_You · 2017-10-05T01:30:40+00:00

Of course she looks like that.

speaker_for_the_dead · 2017-10-05T02:28:02+00:00

If thats an educator I would file a title XI complaint.

Quintrell · 2017-10-05T05:48:43+00:00

Slight variation you'll probably not encounter in any college course:

Can we identify potential child abusers easily?

No, child abusers are mainly women - not monsters

-kodoku- · 2017-10-05T06:02:15+00:00

The second option is a lie and can be hurtful to those who have social anxiety or are very shy. I'm a loner and I'm not good at social interaction, but that doesn't mean I abuse people. This kind of stigma is why some people still think mentally ill people are dangerous.

EagleDarkX · 2017-10-05T06:38:17+00:00

How would you know? There is no reliable data due to small sample sizes.

theothermod · 2017-10-05T10:43:33+00:00

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If everyone did this, the subreddit would become unusable.

So please don't do it. Take the time to describe your link, and save the time of hundreds of other people.

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-redditardation- · 2017-10-05T23:08:14+00:00

"Lead educator"

I see she clearly got her credentials in feminist dance study or something similar.

JackGetsIt · 2017-10-04T16:54:53+00:00

If men are mostly purveyors of physical violence then women are mostly purveyors of emotional violence.

Kyle_Fischer · 2017-10-04T15:43:32+00:00

A little outside the box thinking here. We can identify men as the main category of abuser because: (1) men don't report women who abuse; (2) the physical superiority and strength of men means generally means that marks will be left on a woman, whereas the abuse inflicted by women do not generally leave the same marks or people assume the man was injured on the job or playing sports. For instance, a man could be kicked, pinched, punched, or squeezed many times over a long period of time, then one day decides to defend himself and with one punch severely injure a woman in self defense. What do you think people say when he says it was in self defense?

Quite frankly, women are far more physically abusive than men, but like most things, they aren't as effective as men, generally, are. So, their abuse is more likely to go unnoticed, which de facto, results in men having more founded acts of abuse against them.

supacrusha · 2017-10-04T14:49:31+00:00

Most of these womyn are ugly, disgruntled land whales that have never been given the time of day by a man and choose to express their anger by man hating, it's all so simple.

Ehcksit · 2017-10-04T18:14:33+00:00

It does not say that abusers are "mostly men, not women." It says abusers are "mostly men, not monsters." It means that you can't tell who might become abusive in the future. That an abusive personality is not a visible trait.

The question is "Can you identify potential abusers easily?" and the answer is "No."

Edit: The test is from a woman's point of view, most likely because it's for women to take. It's about abuse in relationships, especially domestic abuse. Since it's about a woman and relating to the possibility of her being abused in a relationship, it will usually be a man causing it, because most people are heterosexual.

EagleDarkX · 2017-10-04T20:11:49+00:00

How is this okay??

Because the statistics say that most violence against women is caused by a man.

Lethn · 2017-10-04T11:03:11+00:00

Need more context here. If this is meant to be asked of heterosexual women I don't see the problem. The same would be right for a questionnaire asked of heterosexual men; no you can't tell apart abusers from women.

The problem here isn't that this stuff exists for women. The problem is that nobody is giving out this kind of information to men. Ask most men who have been victims of abuse and you'll likely hear that she started out just as any other woman; there were no obvious red flags.

Rbox · 2017-10-04T20:54:39+00:00

How about all the women that get in the way of my fist?

ajlunce · 2017-10-04T17:57:51+00:00

Since no one is getting this I guess, it isn't saying they are mostly "men" as in males, it's "men" as in human.

averagejoegreen · 2017-10-04T19:44:43+00:00

it means "people" dumbass

Title	How is this okay???
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