Privilege

Cookiedoughjunkie · 2022-05-19T13:25:57+00:00

My workplace is mostly women and they barely employ any men so this doesn't surprise me.

TheSpaceDuck · 2022-05-19T15:04:50+00:00

This is nothing new, every man experiences this every day of their job-searching life. However what many don't know is that there have been actual studies done on this topic showing a general bias against men in hiring.

https://academic.oup.com/esr/advance-article/doi/10.1093/esr/jcab043/6412759 - Study found discrimination of men in hiring but no discrimination of women.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/abs/10.1073/pnas.1418878112 - Hiring bias in STEM is 2:1 in favour of women

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165176519303428?via%3Dihub - Women favour hiring other women. Men do not favour hiring other men.

mylazybutt · 2022-05-19T14:29:39+00:00

I worked in IT for 30+ years. The number of women techies stayed about the same, around 15% give or take. But the number of women supervisors and managers steadily rose until at the end almost every leader was a woman. It was the only way to get gender diversity since good women programmers are hard to come by and they command higher salaries than equivalent men. Its easier to hire women into management with no hard skillsets.

LatinoEsq · 2022-05-19T12:44:42+00:00

Towards the end of law school, my friends and I would discuss this same concept and all agreed that being a woman gets your foot through the front door more frequently than a qualified man. We’d constantly hear about certain female colleagues landing interviews and positions at firms that were completely out of their league. It was a running joke when someone would say they interviewed at firm but the position would probably be offered to the hot female applicant that was also waiting for her interview in the office lobby.

The icing on the cake was when the guy who was 2nd in line to being valedictorian (this guy was clearly at the top of our class from the beginning but got beat by a colleague who stayed off a semester to land the honor) got beat for a position at probably the top firm in the city by this very attractive colleague who was out of his league. I think mostly anyone who kept up with these lawschool politics knew exactly why that happened.

Suffice to say, having a pretty face, small waste and long legs gets your heel through the front door anywhere in the corporate/legal world.

asianabsinthe · 2022-05-19T13:31:36+00:00

Many years ago I was applying to a large company with qualifications out the wazoo, applying for all positions imaginable over a two year span. Had a buddy who worked there and would tell me that the majority of positions were filled by women that barely knew what to do or could barely perform. They wouldn't get fired but many ended up quitting, so I'd apply again... Well, you can guess the cycle.

Even back then I considered changing my name to a neutral sounding name to at least make it to an interview.

fardednshiddeded · 2022-05-19T13:23:34+00:00

If this was an official study by a news source or something they would somehow turn it into a negative against men by saying it's pig headed men hiring women to hit on or something.

arrouk · 2022-05-19T12:22:25+00:00

Can you link to the post please.

I have pop corn and want to read the comments

odysseytree · 2022-05-19T12:59:11+00:00

That just shows how much poison feminism has spread against men in industries. Women and men are not competing on the fair ground at all. In female dominated industries, there's no such thing as quotas so women will continue to dominate there unless competent men apply there. In male dominated industries, women are preferred over men so on both sides it's just women and women. That means regardless of what career you choose as a woman, you are guaranteed success without facing competition with men.

Wheras, a man has to outperform women to get hired in female dominated industry. He now also has to compete more with men in male dominated industry because of quotas reducing his chances of occupying a vacancy.

Now tell me why employers won't give extra credit to men who are going extra step and competing more in order to get hired?

ramao__ · 2022-05-19T13:01:45+00:00

Just another day living in the ""patriarchy""

jessi387 · 2022-05-19T13:39:08+00:00

I have always said this, and no one ever believes me.

StockAL3Xj · 2022-05-19T15:26:57+00:00

The whole thing with companies having a minority or female hiring quota is super fucked up. I don't want anyone to lose opportunities because of their race, gender, or nationality but giving someone preference because of those things is just as bad. Hire someone for their abilities and experience. If that leads to an all male or female workforce then so be it.

Toaster224 · 2022-05-19T15:43:48+00:00

The world really needs to come around and accept the undeniable fact that men are willing to work significantly harder than women, and that things like the wage gap and higher representation in competitive, high paying jobs are natural. For every tech, finance, or big law job there are simply more men willing to work eay harder to land it. Feminists demanded half those jobs for women, and the result was staggeringly different standards.

Men face an insane amount of discrimination these days, from worse treatment in grade school and fewer college opportunities to hiring bias and even pay equity programs that rob them of the fruits of their labor. On top of that women demanded partners who earn more and somehow men delivered on that, too, only for those efforts to be turned against us in the form of myths about the wage gap and unequal compensation.

Puzzleheaded-Heat174 · 2022-05-19T13:35:57+00:00

Great experiment thanks for taking one for the team

thatGUY2220 · 2022-05-19T15:43:35+00:00

Perhaps more evidence of the Femo-Supremacist ideology that’s become prevalent in this country. We are on our way to a full blown Vagocracy.

But don’t worry gentlemen, we will still be picked first when it comes to fighting and dying on behalf of banks and their friends in the defense industry!

2022-05-19T13:49:19+00:00

But...but...that darn pay-gap!

LOL

TallBlueEye · 2022-05-19T14:55:21+00:00

Guess it’s time to self identify as a woman.

Silencio00 · 2022-05-20T00:32:39+00:00

This is going to sound very conspiranoic, I know. But I sometimes feel like all this complaining about women don't getting representation in work environment and looking how there is more women getting degrees and more good jobs, feel like someone is trying to remove men entirely from the equation.

Max_Schmidt350 · 2022-05-19T15:54:38+00:00

B-b-b-but the pAtRiArChy !!

ocket8888 · 2022-05-19T20:34:01+00:00

I work in CS. I'll never forget the time we were interviewing candidates and one whom everyone agreed was under qualified came through. Then someone said "I kinda think we should give it to her anyway, just because she's a woman, you know?"

Those exact words, swear to God. Didn't see anything wrong with it.

morbidnihilism · 2022-05-19T18:23:03+00:00

We're in the age of equity, and most people still don't get this. Men will be shit on for a while, just so that women get benefits... like reparations. It's NOT equality, that's not their goal

rotkohl007 · 2022-05-19T23:51:43+00:00

This doesn’t surprise me at all. I’m in tech. Women represent about 10% of non-management technical roles. The company had a “goal” (quota by another name) of having half of all management be women. Well one, if you believe the sexes are equal management gender split should be equal to the percent of non-management gender split. Well what do you know once they blew past 50% to almost 90% because once they were in those positions they only hired other women into management.

DemsSniffChildren · 2022-05-20T00:25:23+00:00

Females are a sought after demographic for "diversity and equal opportunity"

Young females are just eye can- I mean "So wonderful and pleasant to be around, and like, so good at the job too I guess"

Society says females can never be sexual or violent predators, so less risk I guess?

Yep, it's eff'd up. I'd cut off my wang and wear a wig if I was younger, but I'm past the point of wanting to bother with it so yeah.

RedBaronYT33 · 2022-05-19T16:19:27+00:00

ThE pAtRiArChY

IoSonCalaf · 2022-05-19T12:30:28+00:00

Sounds about right

Aimless-Nomad · 2022-05-19T18:36:44+00:00

An interesting comment i saved from a while back:

Their focus is heavily on Girl Power™. We need more women in x field, because...well oppression, etc.

There was a team of female engineers that designed a pedestrian bridge which collapsed during installation (don't remember the fine details). They had time to take pictures of themselves, though. I looked at the pictures, and although I'm no engineer, I could spot a plethora of alarming design flaws, right away.

There was zero redundant support. There was only one set of cables down the middle, as opposed to one on each side of the bridge. There were no fail-safe support cables attached elsewhere, in case of failure. It didn't take a genius to see that had a single cable failed, the entire bridge would have collapsed. There were no extra posts. The center post was way too far off to one side, rendering the other side dangerously unbalanced. The design was cute, though. It tugged at my heart strings because beauty and aesthetics are far more important than to me than function.

I have a close friend who's a highly trained Nissan mechanic. Nissan has flown him to their factories in Japan several times for training. He told me that the first generation Nissan Murano was designed by an all female team, for a female market. The design part of the product was well executed. Women everywhere fell in love with the Murano. That particular model generation however, has a world of problems that are uncharacteristic of Nissan.

Sensor failures. These sensors were surface mounted, but placed in obscure locations that required extensive engine/engine bay disassembly.

Transfer case failures. Rear differential failures. Terrible rear diff design, requiring too many parts and labor hours to be disassembled first. The dangling exhaust pipe running from front to rear and visible from every angle looks like an afterthought. Oh yeah, we forgot about the exhaust during the design. Let's just strap on some pipe brackets, and no one will notice.

The transmission design is absolutely terrible with no way to properly change the CVT fluid. The CVT would get noisier than a Borla exhaust, become sluggish, and feel like it was failing. Transmission shops all recommended an overhaul. A lot of owners traded it in instead, at a substantial loss. My buddy is one of very few mechanics in our city who knows how to resolve the problem. Resolving it requires a specialized high pressure pump and two sets of replacement fluid; one to flush out the old fluid (significantly more expensive than ATF), and the second to use. It's not a standard transmission flush machine. When he mentioned the all female team, it made complete sense.

Women have been given way too much power in HR and hiring roles. Women who have no idea of what a job entail are empowered to make hiring decisions. Decisions they make based on how they feel about the interview, or even just looking at an application. It's rarely mentioned, but this is a HUGE factor in railroading men. Of course women are doing better, percentage wise than men, in the white collar world. They do a great job of preventing men from getting a foot in the door. Extremely qualified men, at that. Unfortunately, women have that market cornered.

In my personal opinion, left to their own devices, they'll burn everything to the ground.

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What do you guys think?

2022-05-19T18:59:16+00:00

George Francis and Emil Kirkegaard did a study, recently, about that, in the areas of Anthropology, Political Science, Economics and Psychology.

Apart from finding that men's output was 0.35d higher than women's (0.13d when controlling for years publishing), and apart from that academics prefer not to discriminate, 33% prefer to discriminate against men vs. 3% of those that prefer to discriminate against women. https://mobile.twitter.com/MrGeorgeFrancis/status/1527317356464119808

So, I think this is pretty much universal to any field in the Academia, since there's also a 2:1 bias in STEM in favor of women.

ithinkoutloudtoo · 2022-05-19T14:58:00+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/jvuzgu/i_sent_100_applications_as_a_man_and_a_woman_its/

stopallthedownloads · 2022-05-19T16:03:35+00:00

Finally, having the name Mitchell pays off... gonna drop that t from now on and be Michell until it comes time for in person interviews. Improvise. Adapt. Survive.

No_Philosopher3093 · 2022-05-20T02:01:51+00:00

Affirmative action

Whitified · 2022-05-20T02:12:22+00:00

Watch them blame Patriarchy for it.

2paxSugar · 2022-05-19T18:18:49+00:00

My organization has a supermajority of women. To increase "diversity," the organization has started an initiative to ... hire more women.

udiduf3 · 2022-05-19T13:27:42+00:00

And still we should defend rights of women. İ am totally against it. No women right or man right. All rights for all people

throwaway726483916 · 2022-05-19T17:53:46+00:00

Oh but don't worry, just ask a third wave feminist who's privileged, and they'd be glad to tell you that it's you. Somehow. Probably "women are being used in the workforce because they get paid less and they're sexualized more - obviously!"

Pepperclue_55 · 2022-05-19T23:49:55+00:00

He sent out and tracked 400 applications?! I have done research and this is such an extreme effort for no results. I hope he got published somewhere!

qtyapa · 2022-05-20T00:48:38+00:00

In other news water is wet.

octosquid11 · 2022-05-19T15:54:17+00:00

Well obviously women are going to be hired more at restaurants and stuff because they get more tips for being female

Mycroft033 · 2022-05-19T16:01:04+00:00

Any evidence of this? No offence man but anybody can write this and pass it off as real but without a shred of supporting evidence there is literally no reason to believe it.

And I’m a man.

Sensitive-Ad6609 · 2022-05-19T15:35:15+00:00

Damn. What in the hell... -_-

leachlurker · 2022-05-19T15:57:45+00:00

Ok but what where the names though I want to know

Alarmed-Flamingo-988 · 2022-05-19T19:04:49+00:00

At least do the math correctly ffs

LOAHS · 2022-05-20T00:47:10+00:00

Change your name to Sara

throwawayincelacc · 2022-05-20T15:18:00+00:00

Even as a young adult this was painfully obvious. Try being a young male getting a job at a boutique or something. Go to the mall and it's almost all women for cashiers and floor staff. Working at david's tea it was 26 women to 3 guys, and 2 of the guys (myself included) were seasonal for Christmas only.

It somewhat makes sense for malls since clothing stores focus on women primarily, but again, that begs the question of is that equal and who in society actually spends all the money?

Men have very little choice in terms of clothing that's acceptable while women have hordes.

MobilePom · 2022-05-19T16:30:50+00:00

Wrong, it is 860% more responses that they got, or 870% as many

Kaitlyn2124 · 2022-05-19T19:14:52+00:00

I think it depends on the job. If they applied for construction workers, mechanics, plumbers, the numbers would probably be different

thenotoriouscpc · 2022-05-19T11:48:48+00:00

Granted this is a post online, but if true, this would be the first report with scientific data to show any sort of privilege

TracyMorganFreeman · 2022-05-19T17:25:24+00:00

Anyone who has actually worked in these industries knows this.

CorneredSponge · 2022-05-19T20:05:45+00:00

Can I have a link to some data that supports this anecdote? Thanks!

waterim · 2022-05-19T21:04:30+00:00

Why was this removed ?

20CaratMemer · 2022-05-20T01:08:35+00:00

Hold up

didnt the patriarchy cause this?
#KillAllMen

/s

BritneyDraws · 2022-05-19T15:41:27+00:00

Where’s the source that this actually happened though? If this was a real scientific experiment published as a news article I would be much more inclined to believe that over just a Reddit post.

AppointmentLow2653 · 2022-05-19T19:08:46+00:00

I trust a random Reddit comment with no evidence. How about you guys?

I’m gonna get banned from a bunch of subs for posting here, I bet.

M_Me_Meteo · 2022-05-19T18:46:30+00:00

As someone who reads resumes a lot I have two feelings:

Getting a response feels good, but that doesn’t mean you get the job
Stop sending your resume to places where you don’t want to work. You’re part of the problem. As hard as it feels to look for a job, it’s just as hard to look for help. No one wants to do it and it’s not supposed to be easy.

baddingtonbearr · 2022-05-20T01:14:49+00:00

The fact you can’t realise how this study proves misogyny baffles me… y’all are grown ups, right?

Isaaker12 · 2022-05-19T17:26:23+00:00

This guy doesn't know how percentages work. His logic of course still stands, but the numbers are wrong.

ManintheArena8990 · 2022-05-19T16:42:14+00:00

Sorry…. Am I the only one thinking it… this guy seriously can’t do math…

gckman915 · 2022-05-19T19:36:21+00:00

There is a gender bias but CS is usually shitty, low-paid work. Perfect for women and unskilled men.

Men have higher earning power in what I like to call "man's work". Trades are more suited for men plus they pay much better.

Impersonatologist · 2022-05-19T21:44:16+00:00

The original “data” wasn’t even good. He picked names that are stereotypical for PoC for the man and anglo christian for the woman. Now race is a factor and we know that influences job interviews.

Then he didn’t even post the actual data, we just have to take his word for it.

This is the wrong kind of circlejerk in every way and OPs responses are exactly what I expect of someone pulling up a 2 year ld controversial post.

bluehorserunning · 2022-05-19T19:34:12+00:00

sure.

Horny20yrold · 2022-05-19T17:53:43+00:00

I’ll answer this for you as a MALE hiring manager. If I get identical CV’s, and I look around the room and see majority men on the team, (which in my industry is like 98% of the team) Im going to give it to the female candidate. You can call it privileged or unfair all you want, but from my perspective, hiring 5 women when the team currently has 48 men isn’t unfair. And Im tired of seeing you weak chucklekfucks complaining about it.

2022-05-19T17:28:29+00:00

Yeah like that happened 🙄

J-M-Black · 2022-05-19T20:12:57+00:00

Y’all are fucking stupid. You’ll get more responses for a female applicant in CS because companies need to balance their gender ratio. This isn’t the sexist part, this is the response to the sexist part.

AbsoIum · 2022-05-20T01:58:44+00:00

Women are cheaper and they do not negotiate for high pay like men do. That is also proven.

bubbybyrd · 2022-05-19T17:06:38+00:00

Why is it privilege when CS is predominantly male? Many companies value hiring a diverse staff, that means hiring people from multiple racial backgrounds, sexual orientation, nationality and male/female sex.

Look at a traditionally female-dominated field such as nursing and you'll find that male applicants have higher success than females. AND because there are less male nurses (in a job that is in high demand), it doesn't really deter or harm the odds of a female nurse from being hired either.

TatyGGTV · 2022-05-19T15:41:57+00:00

local very smart man doesn't understand that biases in the hiring process are there to balance out biases at other points in life 🥺🥺🥺🥺

curlytrain · 2022-05-19T18:52:20+00:00

Who has the time to do this… i can barely get my own resume out, not that i fidagree with the bias

2022-05-19T18:58:56+00:00

A nice study - do you have a sister who wants a job?

bchu1979 · 2022-05-19T19:05:12+00:00

Forossa · 2022-05-19T19:41:43+00:00

went to a new dentist place today, all women, they were nice tho.

kamasotz · 2022-05-19T20:15:58+00:00

88.5% more successful not 870% more successful

Plastic_Scar_7895 · 2022-05-19T23:44:20+00:00

This could be diversity efforts at work or companies trying to hit a quota. Nothing that women can control. Try doing that with foreign names. Would be interesting to see

RavenWiggles · 2022-05-20T00:03:38+00:00

So while I could see this happening for multiple reasons. Remember this isn't a scientific study and we are just trusting that the op did what they said.

Please someone take this ideal and do a larger study on it with more oversight to make sure the reporting is accurate.

darkwither14694 · 2022-05-20T01:05:18+00:00

We have a local restaurant here in my small Town in Illinois, and for the past 10 years they have never hired a guy strictly because they are guys. Also men ages 12-26 are not even allowed inside of the restaurant. Don’t know the rule behind that one though. Enough said.

jerrymcguiver · 2022-05-20T01:12:05+00:00

Now do it for a doctor or a construction worker.

Yowilkat · 2022-05-20T01:25:23+00:00

Hiring women makes them look "progressive".

swordsman8480 · 2022-05-20T02:15:13+00:00

If they have applicant tracking system that is half assed worth a shit, whichever one that was sent second would have been flagged.

Quix_Nix · 2022-05-20T03:22:44+00:00

Christ, worse than I thought.

ckirk91 · 2022-05-20T04:05:08+00:00

My workplace had an all hands a few months ago and part of the meeting was showing that the application ratio to the company was about 50/50, then the HR head delightfully showed the next slide showing 80% of those applicants that were hired were women. We shouldn’t be patting ourselves on the back that only 2 out of 10 men that apply will be hired. It’s unbelievable and makes stories like OP’s seem like they may be way more common than people think.

ElManchego57 · 2022-05-20T06:21:38+00:00

I'm curious why for working class, you focused on jobs in customer service, hospitality, and restaurants service. Why not include jobs like machinist, grounds keeper, and sales?

SuperSoakerGuyx · 2022-05-20T06:51:51+00:00

Yeah I believe it at my previous company it was not cs but helpdesk and at first 50% female 50% male but overtime a lot of people left and it changed to like 10% female or less, to 90% male. Also all new hires were mostly men and everyone was asking ''can't we hire more girls'' now this was a big company. If any person can put an ad up on craigslist then this person is running a small business or the likes. customer service jobs are practically saturated with women while in IT I can't say I have seen too many women get past entry-level positions. So I guess what I wanna say is the experiment should be done with more serious companies like indeed or monster and not target only entry-level positions. Regardless it's interesting to look at the statistics.

jusee22 · 2022-05-20T08:38:29+00:00

But t-t-the g-gender wage g-g-gap.

DecimatingDarkDeceit · 2022-05-20T12:41:38+00:00

Literal discrimination And dystopia : for Men :ı

hehimCA · 2022-05-20T16:33:32+00:00

Wow, if you have done good record keeping, you should absolutely publish this in a formal article. Are you planning to?

Happy8581 · 2022-05-20T21:27:26+00:00

How can you not hate women after browsing this subreddit? I really struggle with this. My boss is a woman who was recently promoted to her new position and she's way in over her head. She's always asking me how things should be done, etc. She even told me she has no idea what she's doing. I have zero feelings of empathy or sympathy for 50% of the population.

Bullshagger69 · 2022-05-21T09:35:59+00:00

No source no argument. I don’t see a reason to immediately believe this guy.

UltraGigachad69 · 2022-05-24T02:16:41+00:00

Could I switch my gender an apply as woman?

Furious_The_God · 2022-05-26T15:55:31+00:00

Feminists complained so much about “females not getting hired enough” that now in order to seem “woke” they are almost completely disregarding mens applications

Exotic_Midnight4652 · 2022-05-27T09:59:53+00:00

The guy got suspended from Reddit and people in the comments were saying "all 200 applications were female strip clubs!11!!111!!1!!"

Bro. I wasn't fully convinced women are overly offended but here we are.

RatioHobo · 2022-06-09T10:31:03+00:00

Yeah, bc he was allowed to submit 100 fake applications that actually all got reviewed 😂

Teens_R_Dum · 2022-06-09T17:25:26+00:00

I’ve worked In Restaurants my whole life. The place in one that you might get the opposite is in the kitchen. Like cooks. I’ve been cooking for years and only had 3 female cooks. And they never lasted long. not saying that to be hurtful, just what happened in my own small experiences

Then again, it just be because women never apply for kitchen work in restaurants

Title	Privilege
Author	True-Lychee
Upvotes	3144
Comments	333
Date	May 19, 2022 11:46 AM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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