Reuters, we have a problem

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2013-03-14T16:14:46+00:00

We keep some information secret to protect minors.

We feel no need to do the same to protect legal adults.

Also males are legal adults the second they are accused of a crime.

Women are minors until they die.

Lotus7 · 2013-03-14T17:02:49+00:00

sigh

No issue with not naming the victim, most people would see that as common sense.

Shame the same doesn't apply to the accused. What happened to 'innocent until proven guilty'? The usual argument I hear is "well naming them might encourage other victims to come forward!". Well, perhaps, but naming them might also have a hugely detrimental affect on their lives if they turn out to be innocent. But they're only men, so fuck them and their feelings, right?

I get so tired of stuff like this.

cggreene · 2013-03-14T16:27:32+00:00

I think it's because there names were already widely available./ Anyway, I hope these little pricks suffer in jail.

Dresdain · 2013-03-14T19:13:45+00:00

You guys are reading to much into this. I do not see it as a big deal. Those guys really did rape her, thats why lulSEC hacked their websites and emails.

I am all for mens rights but this is just plain silly. Lulsec got into the kids twitters and they have all sorts of pictures of the girl legitimately passed out and them carrying her around. Some of the things they said were awful about her. things like "whores deserve to be pissed on" "you dont sleep through a dick in the butt" "song of the night is rape me" The shittest part is the town is protecting the boys because they are on their football team, who is pretty good.

Heres the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOTUiNUVhsE

bronghits · 2013-03-14T20:02:28+00:00

They have a policy of not naming the rape victim. These fucking idiots made a video about raping and potentially even killing this poor girl. I honestly hope they rot in jail, their idiocy is what makes us look like we support rapists and pigs

ZeroError · 2013-03-14T19:39:28+00:00

actually, the alleged rapists have been on television and shit trying to defend themselves. the girl has stayed silent. they've put themselves into the public eye.

anyway, depending on the laws in that state, it's perfectly legal to release the names of juvenile suspects while protecting the alleged victim.

this is NOT a fight MRAs need to be fighting.

sibqm_lmvm · 2013-03-14T15:44:31+00:00

Yeah... A lot of articles seem to have that problem. As for the content of the article itself, previously saying that you wish to have sex with someone does not equal consent, and the boys' lawyers are idiots for suggesting that.

babystyle · 2013-03-15T02:35:44+00:00

These guys are fucking assholes. I am ashamed this is posted in men`s rights. There is audio evidence of them admitting to the rape.

Shit like this IS NOT HELPING OUR CASE!

iheartbakon · 2013-03-14T19:04:47+00:00

In Canada, it is illegal to name the accused if they are under 18. This article is technically illegal to view in Canada.

Electroverted · 2013-03-15T06:03:19+00:00

If you think that this particular case is a good example to use for Men's Rights

You're gonna have a bad time

TheDemonClown · 2013-03-14T20:04:10+00:00

In this particular case, I don't give a fuck. There's no real "alleged" shit to be seen here - these guys were all on video from multiple people & talked about their crimes on Facebook & Twitter as it was all happening. They're guilty, they're shitty human beings, so fuck their privacy. They clearly didn't give a shit when they dragged a drunk girl from party to party, humiliating & violating her repeatedly.

DramaDramaLlama · 2013-03-14T23:05:16+00:00

I think it's a great policy not to name rape victims.

I think it's a great policy (that should be immediately adopted) to not name accused rapists until found guilty.

thisistheyear · 2013-03-14T18:21:11+00:00

I read in another article that the reason these names were released was because of how widespread and common the dropping of their names were. I don't think its right, but this might be misrepresenting Reuter's position on this.

Papasmurf143 · 2013-03-15T03:22:58+00:00

I don't see the problem here?

TheCrookedTruth · 2013-03-15T06:20:46+00:00

I'm confused and it'd be awesome if the knee jerkers could not reflexively downvote this because I'm genuinely asking.

I keep seeing people in this thread talking about obvious proof and how they're clearly guilty because of the video.

My understanding was that the infamous video of the kid making crude rape jokes was of a kid who was not involved in the alleged rape in any way and wasn't even a witness to any of the events. I understand also that there were pictures of the alleged rapists carrying the drunk girl around, but I don't understand how that's "proof" of rape either. Am I the only one who's ever carried around a passed out drunk girl and then somehow managed not to rape her? And from what I've heard, there's no actual physical evidence she was raped--semen, rape kit, etc.

If there's some more smoking gun evidence here I'm not aware of, please tell me. I'm not saying they're innocent, but from what I've seen (unless there is more I have not heard) this could just as easily be a case of a few jackass teenagers playing telephone about a nonevent and making crude jokes and rumors about it to the point that it got taken seriously.

If there's more, tell me. Seriously.

dm287 · 2013-03-15T22:54:32+00:00

This isn't the best example. There is actually a mountain of evidence that the boys in question actually did commit the rape, along with 100s of text messages and video of the event (provided by Anonymous).

WilliamLooby · 2013-03-14T21:00:16+00:00

What's this shit huh, did you not hear what they were saying ? all for sticking a fork in the ground to stand up for our rights too but this isnt the same as the other issues that concern this subreddit.

bloophead · 2013-03-15T02:03:05+00:00

This was a lot worse than just any basic rape. It was way more vile and cruel. And they posted a video on YouTube making jokes about her possibly being dead. It was sickening. Not to say it wouldn't be cruel and vile already.

2013-03-15T03:49:37+00:00

This is fucking outrageous.

Papasmurf143 · 2013-03-15T04:51:40+00:00

Threads like these are why I love this sub. Intelligent discourse about the rights of all people and an attempt to help eachother grow in our understanding of a fair world. It's much better than all the memes and stories about funny little instances of idiotic radical feminists.

2013-03-15T10:34:18+00:00

Eh, I agree with your principle, but I really want to waive it in this particular case. Really wish you would find a different one to defend this point, seeing as a central issue to this case is the accusation the the alleged rape was being covered up by small town corruption. Of which there's a significant amount of individually weak evidence which when taken together forms some rather strong evidence for the cover-up having happened.

Am I happy that one right must be sacrificed to bring justice? Yes, but do I think it might in this case be necessary? Yes.

Shit, I wish it was always black and white, but it's kind of grey here. It doesn't help that there's a large amount of social media put out by the accused and their accomplices detailing their abuse of a child, and a suspicious history of it occurring with the Big Red Rape Crew.

factorygrrrl · 2013-03-15T19:24:18+00:00

I hope my comment doesn't go totally unnoticed because I actually came here to post something and ask a question about that. Well not Reuters in particular, I read something about it on Jezebel.com and was shocked/dismayed to see that they named the minor defendants in the case. I think that's really screwed up.

mkarolian · 2013-03-14T21:12:07+00:00

Virtually all news organizations won't name the victims of a sexual crime: http://www.spj.org/rrr.asp?ref=68&t=ethics

fraughtgamerpro · 2013-03-14T22:15:52+00:00

Look at the pic. The victims name seems to be jane doe.

_SharkWeek_ · 2013-03-15T09:56:30+00:00

This case is another reason why men's rights forums have (an unfortunately) bad name.

There's a video of it, and then of them saying "ha ha we raped her" and them tweeting "ha ha we raped her" and all that's here is some bullshit about due process.

Yes. The court system is infallible. No criminals shall slip through their grasp, no innocent man put in jail. What ever it takes to help you all sleep at night after defending these most lowest form of shit.

*Downvote me all you want, these sorts of stories are your undoing. You want allies, you have to work to get them.

**Vocally and actively condemn the act of rape while you seek to balance the system. This thread appears to support rapists, blame victims, and deny the real statistics about rape. You don't have to laude or excuse the act of murder to work towards preventing unlawful detention of innocent men accused of the crime.

OThomson · 2013-03-14T22:00:09+00:00

Wow you MRA losers have a real problem finding sympathetic people. Am I really supposed to feel sorry for these assholes who are ON VIDEO raping a drunk girl?

MattWorksHere · 2013-03-15T03:15:47+00:00

At first I was like

But then I was like

notarapist72 · 2013-03-14T20:18:05+00:00

I'm so sick of anonymous

Edgemere · 2013-03-14T17:53:32+00:00

So 4chan is getting involved now?

funkgross · 2013-03-14T20:09:08+00:00

the hell

they raped a girl

are you guys really defending the rapists of a girl

they weren't victims, they were rapists

get off your stupid horse there's such little oxygen up there

Ragnar09 · 2013-03-14T22:24:50+00:00

Cant they just make her name public online? I know I would.

scottishonion · 2013-03-14T19:37:37+00:00

If she didn't remember what happened, how could she report an incident the next day? Also, shouldn't they not name the guys names since they are "rape victims" too?

Collective82 · 2013-03-14T21:31:05+00:00

As sick as these kids really are I am curious though. They were drunk so therefor thy were raped by her as much weren't they? I mean women who are drunk as well as the man can claim rape so why not in this case? I do believe these kids are vile and again am not saying they are innocent but just wondering if they could use the same card women do.

cooltom2006 · 2013-03-15T00:22:42+00:00

I seriously don't understand how girls can make reports of rape when they blatantly state they can't remember what happened, seriously wtf?!!!

Falkner09 · 2013-03-15T00:36:51+00:00

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH!

Justice for Jane Doe? The guy in the picture is absolutely convinced these guys are guilty and that this girl was raped, AND HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW HER NAME!

Meanwhile, the girl admits she doesn't remember what happened, and had to piece it together from Facebook comments etc.. This shit is Poe's law at its finest.

EDIT holy shit, I just realized something: suppose this girl really was raped. she must be pretty traumatized and humiliated, since at least some people in her community will know who she is. If that's the case, do you really think she wants a group of protesters publicizing it? Yeah, they're here to protect women all right.

Dipshits.

double edit OK, I just looked up the case, and apparently there's a lot more evidence for rape than this snippet mentions. Including a video of a couple of these guys carrying her out the door into a pickup by her arms and legs. My bad, probably. Still, my statement about the idiot protesters stands, especially them making it worse by appointing themselves superhero defenders.

arguecat3 · 2013-03-14T15:45:38+00:00

Lets see make it public knowledge who the accused are, both of whom are minors and then don't let the public know who accused them. It seems like this is a typical false accusation as well. Get drunk at party, have sex with one or multiple men who are likely drunk as well, forget or feel regretful, claim rape.

Title	Reuters, we have a problem
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Upvotes	886
Comments	332
Date	March 14, 2013 3:23 PM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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