Why is there so much hate for this sub?

GhostWCoffee · 2022-07-24T07:13:29+00:00

Quite funny tho, that femaledatinstrategies and other feminist subs don't make it a secret at all that they hate men. Projection at its finest.

silent_boo · 2022-07-24T04:42:38+00:00

If you accept that it isn't the incel, woman-hating sub that people think it is then you're forced to accept that there are legitimate grievances being expressed here. That's really inconvenient for most people when they're comfortably convinced that women are the only ones that ever suffer any injustice.

mrbeets6000 · 2022-07-24T04:09:22+00:00

Ask the feminist subs and ou might be able to infer the REAL answer Hint: it's because female privilege is more important than equality

heeroena · 2022-07-24T04:45:56+00:00

Because it points out feminist hypocrisy

TracyMorganFreeman · 2022-07-24T04:36:12+00:00

A) some just assume those who are critical of feminism must hate women, because they treat feminism as beyond reproach

B) some who would rather not have to deal with that criticism so they attempt to poison the well instead of having an honest discussion

C) propaganda from group A and B that deters other people from even seeing for themselves

LORD0FNIGHT · 2022-07-24T04:09:22+00:00

Some women are very miserable and feel the "best" outlet for their feelings is to attack the gender of the person they can't get over rather than taking the steps to heal. This is a place of healing for men so this one of the most effective ways to attack us. Oh, and misery loves company, which is why so many of them are attacking. That and they defend each other regardless of logic.

delocalelectron · 2022-07-24T08:31:25+00:00

Posting on this sub is like firing a torpedo from a submarine. If there's an explosion from feminists, you know that you've hit your target. When you are tarred with the slur of 'incel' after 42 years of marriage and a couple of kids, then you know that the truth is uncomfortable for those who are bandying the insults around.

Imissyourgirlfriend2 · 2022-07-24T12:53:15+00:00

1-Reddit is extremely Left leaning. Leftists follow an agenda that paints men as "part of the patriarchy" and part of the problem

2-Society, in general, sees men as expendable. I'm not saying "society sees men as slaves" but society did see slaves as expendable. How would slave owners have responded to their slaves pursuing more rights?

2022-07-24T05:50:24+00:00

Because it goes against the woke-society-backed narrative of “men bad women good.”

Aran82 · 2022-07-24T07:10:17+00:00

Clearly because of the patriarchy 😅😅😅

Punder_man · 2022-07-24T05:44:05+00:00

Because the end goal is to try and prevent people coming here out of the fear that they will understand that feminism is lying about men living on easy street with 'white male privilege' backing them up.

Its far easier to tar and feather the whole sub as a Misogynistic Incel Sub to try and steer people away..

Extension_Target_821 · 2022-07-24T07:05:53+00:00

Crazy that this is how men are labeled when we try to stick up for ourselves

Sefuus · 2022-07-24T07:05:50+00:00

Because we don't hate women at all, but it gives feminists an opportunity to disregard our thoughts if we're labeled as "women haters"

Hating women for male issues is just as rational as cutting trees with a pen.

Chef_Sizzlipede · 2022-07-24T05:04:01+00:00

because the idea that men suffer is offensive

Aimless-Nomad · 2022-07-24T05:46:34+00:00

Cos it goes against the narrative.

ReadingHunter · 2022-07-24T08:49:45+00:00

I got banned from one sub because I comented in this sub. I leaved that sub after that.

Trev6ft5 · 2022-07-24T10:45:16+00:00

Feminists openly hate men and even those who don't suck up to them

StingRayFins · 2022-07-24T07:11:03+00:00

Everything is supposed to be for women, 100%, all the time. This takes energy and attention away from their agenda. I truly believe that's pretty much it.

m0mmyneedsabeer · 2022-07-24T13:33:32+00:00

People are quick to assume that being for men's rights makes you anti women's rights. That's just not the case though. I am for both because I am for human rights.

BoredRedhead24 · 2022-07-24T04:46:27+00:00

Because anger is easy. It’s easier to hate than to learn.

Some___Guy___ · 2022-07-24T05:49:46+00:00

The bane of my existence, white knights.

dw87190 · 2022-07-24T05:53:15+00:00

The psychopath, sociopath and narcissist hates those of us who can see through her mask and hates those of us who have the courage to call her out even more

cuppa_tea_4_me · 2022-07-24T09:58:40+00:00

Right, but TwoX is not. B a aye as with politics the people who scream the loudest are the ones who are believed.

copeharderhun · 2022-07-24T06:35:48+00:00

It's very simple. Women are molly-coddled by society and feminism has huge political power and relies on purported victimhood of women for its existence. These two factors alone mean anything that points out that

1) Women can be awful people, and not all bad people are men

2) Women actually aren't oppressed at all. It is men who have the short end of the stick.

Are hugely offensive to both society and the groups with power like feminism. You're basically attacking the very core beliefs they have - ones that were not obtained via any sort of logical reasoning or evidence but instead via repetitive brainwashing from birth. And people do not like this, they will search for ANY reasoning you are wrong rather than admit you are right. Similarly groups with power like feminism absolutely cannot give up the strangehold they have on victimization - indeed there is a video on here posted a couple of weeks ago of a UK MP saying they couldn't give more attention to male issues because feminists would complain - so they also need to make sure to nip this in the bud as quickly as possible.

So at this point you have a HUGE amount of people who have a vested interest in crushing the ideas that MRAs purport - be it those who are doing so because they don't want their core beliefs attacked or feminists whose entire existence is reliant on female victimhood.

Now under normal circumstances the correct thing to do would be to fight back with evidence. The problem is - they can't. They literally can't. I have never ONCE seen a feminist respond to an MRA issue with an argument that didn't require insane mental backflips.

So what do they do? Ad hominem - attacking the character of your opponent and not the idea itself. In any debating circle it is basically agreed that the second you've resorted to ad hominem you've lost the argument. Sadly in the real world it isn't that way - ad hominem is one of the most effective arguments there is because it's convenient for people to believe it. Hence that's what they use.

Ergo, you should actually see the fact they call us incels and whatever as a win. Why? Because in doing so they are admitting they cannot fight back against our arguments with any logic or evidence. They are admitting their entire position is based on nothing. It's quite funny really, nothing makes me more sure about my position being correct than seeing feminists try and argue against it. The constant mental backflips and ad hominem which prove they can't is far better evidence than most.

RatDontPanic · 2022-07-24T05:10:02+00:00

Some dudes on here say downright batshit things and get lots of likes before they're removed. Doesn't make them worse than feminists - it just makes them not better, and unfortunately one man's evil is used to reflect on all.

Al_Modir · 2022-07-24T05:54:29+00:00

Because women want men who they abuse to shit up and take it and not make a big fuss about it.

DirtyPartyMan · 2022-07-24T04:22:27+00:00

We try to be about tempered acceptance, patience and understanding.

We try to be about making silenced voices heard.

This may be a threat to some

paranoiastreet · 2022-07-24T05:39:30+00:00

is there a woman here? i’d like to hear your perspective

ivanoud · 2022-07-24T09:22:15+00:00

Says you. You see what you want to see.

I find it quite eye opening to how men are treated in society. Facts don't lie, and hostile reactions are normal, aren't they, when something is wrong?

usernot_found · 2022-07-24T10:35:10+00:00

Man hating sub for example r/feminist is also an incel subs

Yung4Yrs · 2022-07-24T15:15:15+00:00

Simple progression. The hardcore haters have taken down many other subreddits. This sub is the most male positive one left of any size so it's now the main target. When they get this one censured and closed, they'll just move on to the next.

DavidByron2 · 2022-07-24T06:39:19+00:00

Feminists run a lot of the sub here and they hate men.

shifurc · 2022-07-25T03:08:37+00:00

Because the world hates men. Duh.

ray2kal · 2022-07-24T07:26:53+00:00

cuz some people, not all, like to use mens rights as an excuse to cry and play woe is me card

khaste · 2022-07-25T12:14:07+00:00

Because men having a platform to talk about real issues = bad

Is what it seems like..

mikesteane · 2022-07-24T06:09:10+00:00

Hate has no direction. It only appears to be against this sub; it's an ill wind that blows wherever it goes and often returns to its source.

Crabbycrabcrab2 · 2022-07-24T13:09:29+00:00

Because sometimes guys ruin the message with sexism

TAPriceCTR · 2022-07-24T15:19:18+00:00

People don't like their religion challenged

Intelligent-Ideal153 · 2022-07-24T05:26:40+00:00

Most women will only go so far as to find another woman's negative comments in an attempt to understand it. If women who profess a desire for equality had the courage, to actually pursue an understanding of men's rights concerns then I would expect any intelligent woman committed to that equality to see why this site flourishes.

I would also be in error to suggest that it is exclusively women, there are many indoctrinated blue-pilled men who are simply unable to concede the truth.

entredeuxeaux · 2022-07-24T07:13:38+00:00

I’ve seen this sub’s content becoming diluted by some people complaining they can’t get dates and also seems to be a response to the extreme feminist subs. I wish the mods would make sure this sub doesn’t get too off track.

dot50caliber · 2022-07-24T08:10:19+00:00

It's just the biproduct of complacency, people just don't do their research sometimes and assume that this sub is all about misogyny and enforcing patriarchal standards.

If they only took the time to read a few of these posts, it's not always about "women being unfair or misandry", sometimes its fellow men having a discussion about enforced responsibilities that are too much for us to handle, sometimes it having to bear the burden of just having extremely high expectations per societal measures.

GuilimanXIII · 2022-07-24T14:41:47+00:00

That is kind of the point of this sub, that taking Mens Right actually seriously is seen as nothing more than an excuse to be sexist against women.

Canadian-female · 2022-07-24T18:53:52+00:00

I come here a lot and I think it’s rare to see “incel” type comments. The mods seem to be pretty good about getting rid of those and they get downvoted a lot before they’re gone, too. They let people from all sides speak. I don’t always agree with people here but I’ve never been banned for it. Ask even one question about a woman’s story about a “creepy” guy on a fem site and you are a self-hating misogynist. Apparently, that’s me!

SaintNick1943 · 2022-07-24T20:26:52+00:00

Incels were only a thing as of 4 years ago.

TheGalaSisters · 2022-07-24T20:38:06+00:00

We like it even though we don’t always agree with what everyone says. We support men’s rights because we support human rights. https://youtu.be/VNNjtZN6ywE

blackdahlialady · 2022-07-25T00:30:35+00:00

I don't know either but I got banned from another sub before being subscribed to this one. I know that it warns that there are bots that will ban you but I don't care. I think it's because people still see men as dangerous for some reason.

Unusual_Elevator_253 · 2022-07-25T01:21:49+00:00

Honestly I think because some people here are very extreme and act exactly like feminists. Those posts are always upvoted and anyone disagreeing is downvoted. So it looks like most of the members feel that way

Fearless-Sherbet-223 · 2022-07-25T03:45:08+00:00

I don't usually comment here, just lurk, but for this, I guess I'll break that, even if some subs kick me out.

Most of the posts on here seem to me to be insightful and reflect real issues men face that are due to misandry. However, I sometimes run into one or two that I find off-putting, that seem to be misogynist or blowing issues out of proportion. But while it could be partly those, I think it's more likely that people associate MRAs with incels. The narrative often pushed is that MRAs are men who want to bring up fake "men's rights issues" in order to minimize "real" women's right issues. I don't think that's true, though. I think in general women may face more sexism overall globally, and certainly have historically, but to ignore the fact that men also face sexism is basically playing oppression olympics. The fact is that society treats everyone like crap to varying degrees based on their gender, and all of that is stuff that needs to be discussed and dealt with. Men and women and non-binary people and those who identify as none of the above, all deserve to be treated like human beings, and society is not there yet for any of them.

DeddestNash · 2022-07-25T16:01:44+00:00

I've seen a few comments on here where some guys here may not particularly like women and have made comments on such, but I would never classify the sub as that.

It's just a single negative to this sub that isn't even a large negative since its not so common.

I think the incel comment is because it's a male community about males. Also mixed in with a few guys that don't like women aswell.

People like to nitpick at small faults so they can generalise the whole sub as that, just for it to suit their arguements.

Iceman_Hottie · 2022-07-24T14:36:25+00:00

On the sub - very little hate towards most people.

Towards this sub - lots.

That's because we point out that groups like feminists are toxic and have been so from it's inception, and if you point those things out it makes it hard for them to scam, strong arm and blackmail to get more money and power.

Erin Pizzey has told a lot about it, simply because she tried to truly tackle domestic violence issues and exposed that women perpetrated it to a very significant degree. In the cases of single sided DV over 70% of the perpetrators are women in both UK and USA (2014 studies; I'll dig up the links if anyone is interested).

EmperorNAE · 2022-07-24T15:31:54+00:00

Because according to society today men shouldn’t have rights, therefore making this sub hated

ModellingArtsYT · 2022-07-24T09:23:06+00:00

I'm a guy, a lot of posts here are chill, clearly putting something up that's a personal story that is like 'what man' or some commercial shit that's pandering to and Is being sexist. Go into comment section and there are some people who are bothered by inconveniences like being expected to do something because you are a man, like yes do you not want to do things that make a man a man and not just a person? And then there's also incels here and shit like that. This sub advocates for good stuff but there's I feel a significant minority who are delusional. That's what's give the sub a bad rep because chill people don't go out advocating, they go and live their lives, it's always a loud few.

GetJukedM8 · 2022-07-24T13:01:33+00:00

Because all of the Incel subs got shut down so various lurkers ended up here. Once again tainting the name of a great community.

Men aren’t allowed to have rights and if you think they do you’re an incel /s

Azuzu88 · 2022-07-24T13:40:09+00:00

Because the cornerstone of feminist theory is the patriarchy, the theory that society has been constructed in such a way as to maximise benefit to men and oppress women. The idea that men are not incredibly privileged and also have real societal problems strikes at the very foundation of their ideology.

This sub highlights the plight of modern men and shines a light on the injustices and double standards that men face. This spits directly in the face of feminist theory and they won't stand for it.

secret_tiger101 · 2022-07-24T14:04:20+00:00

Because mostly this sub tries to engage in discussion, so to shut it down - insults are used

Magical-Hummus · 2022-07-24T14:37:01+00:00

Because the priveledged ones hate it when the surpressed speak up.

la_1099 · 2022-07-24T14:52:57+00:00

When you’re used to privilege, equality feels like oppression. Some women don’t like that we are discussing the injustices faced by men and going against the narrative driven by feminism.

TheNimbusCloud · 2022-07-24T21:39:06+00:00

Is that a serious question?

It's because you don't police performative misogyny in the face of blatant mysandry. There's a group-think here that's pro-sexism, or at least accommodating to chauvinism.

The people who you disagree are way more marketable. No ones going to remember thier bad behavior or "who started it" when you do the exact same shit as them.

You won't get anywhere without rising above because you're seen by your oppressors as less civilized and less gentile. And you're too short-sighted to see that that stereotype applies to you, not them, and it's not going to change.

PactScharp · 2022-07-24T12:28:02+00:00

Feminist projection.

There's your answer.

Signal-Creme · 2022-07-24T18:08:39+00:00

Because men do not have rights. /s the feminists hate us

Exotic_Midnight4652 · 2022-07-24T12:15:03+00:00

Women and feminists (most of them at least) can’t handle the fact that they’re not as “oppressed” as they think they are and can’t argue back so they just cry about incels and women hating.

JACSliver · 2022-07-24T10:22:49+00:00

Because people tend to hate what they do not understand, and judging is easier than thinking.

Henry_Blair · 2022-07-24T11:23:46+00:00

Because the members expose disinformation disseminated by feminists out of their hate toward men. The whole point in demonizing a group of humans with disinformation, is suppressing the data and personal testimonies, by inciting society against those who disclose them.

This was done throughout history by all incitement groups and regimes who held power. The power of such groups depends on demonetization and disinformation, so they have to silence those who share the true data and stories, and the silencing can be done either by abusing the law (as in a dictatorship), or by hate speech against the people who dare to talk about the truth, or by both measures.

some-random-memer · 2022-07-24T11:57:17+00:00

I was gonna ask that too

DA-ZACHYZACHY · 2022-07-24T13:03:38+00:00

I guess they're so used to female rights subs being incel, man-hating subs that they believe the same is true for mens rights

TheVagabondPrince · 2022-07-24T13:18:21+00:00

One word: misandry.

The_Peacock_King · 2022-07-24T13:30:54+00:00

Well for some modern women, the truth is an epic slap to the face, and the result often knocks the wig a little loose.

NeoNotNeo · 2022-07-24T13:38:35+00:00

Because you need slaves to build and work in shitty jobs. Then you need to take the wealth of the slaves and have them thank you by worshipping you and the entire experience. It’s a pretty old scam.

guachumalakegua · 2022-07-24T13:55:23+00:00

People just just believe and repeat what they hear without actually checking if it’s true, much like the whole Trump thing.
This sub is a threat to their belief system
They know they’re lying and this sub threatens to shine light on their lies.
They truly hate men and anything that represents them.

SoloRich · 2022-07-24T13:57:17+00:00

It is because feminism has gone toxic. They think the mere fact that somehow makes that person a perpetrator of sexism.

Men have hada need to have certain issues addressed, such as lower life expectancy, higher percentage of successful suicide attempts and inequality in who gets custody and visitation rights of children in divorce cases.

Instead of actually hearing we have issues too they prefer to demonize us for doing for ourselves what they have been doing for decades. It's another double standard. And they don't get they are part of a set of problems that, if they had been born with a different 23rd chromosome, they would recognize as needing to be addressed.

2paxSugar · 2022-07-24T14:24:56+00:00

Because people who have been co-opted into the majority women-first culture of the West interpret calls for equality as anti-women.

OctoWings19 · 2022-07-24T14:29:18+00:00

Misandry

Flashy-Category-8069 · 2022-07-24T14:58:07+00:00

Hi I’m pretty sure it’s because if certain types of posts. I see a lot of posts that r like “all women r the same” and other things like that. Those posts r giving off the wrong image of this sub. Kinda like how a couple of women can give off the wrong idea about women and vise versa. I just want no one to be oppressed but somehow each “party” is successfully oppressing each other. I put party in quotes because it isn’t like a game like red team vs blue team there’s a lot of different views on the subject but the main threat of this sub is the anti woman posts. If u wanna get ppl “on ur side” then don’t downplay others

Forcetobereckonedwit · 2022-07-24T15:12:09+00:00

Because it dares to turn the spotlight away from the feminist agenda... Just the slightest bit mind you, but that's enough to incur the wrath of feminists and simps.

That is why.

GambitSE · 2022-07-24T15:49:16+00:00

I read twoX everyday. I've never seen so many examples of male hating agendas in my life. If you where a woman and reading only that sub you'd come out of it with nothing but hate towards men.

There is a silent majority of men who don't voice injustices. Like when they're being emotionally and/or physically abused. They tend to just never share that out of shame and it's very common. Where women (not saying they aren't abused, so don't read it that way) tend to blow up even minor things and call it abusive. That's why you get sayings like, "throw the whole man out." Over let's say not taking the trash out consistently or doing the dishes. Something immature is my point. It's very common. Now is their validility to men are more violent in nature? Of course. But to act like every situation is the man's fault is really where most of those male hating subs are at now. Their rules are even centered around it. If you go into the debate against a stance they ban or shut your arguments down because you're not allowed a voice in opposition of some of those stances. It's a sign of the times. Men like in war are easily discarded and forgotten. They hold no inherent value for most people when they are corrupted. If a man ignorantly says something he is to be expelled from society instead allowed a chance to make that mistake. It's some messed up times we live in to be a guy naturally. It's like you need to wear a mask and fool others. I don't, but I feel many are forced to put an act on and agree to bullshit just so they're not thrown out of social groups like I said. I'm not talking about being phobic in any manner. I'm just talking about being against things that don't hold solid logic.

faneidde · 2022-07-24T15:49:16+00:00

They hate us cause they ain't us.

HillaryLostTheEC · 2022-07-24T15:51:03+00:00

Cause we make legitimate criticisms against women and therefore we must be "incels" lol I make logical and reasonable claims about women sometimes and I just get a bunch of people saying that "I'm an incel and I hate women" lol

Want2Grow27 · 2022-07-24T23:23:40+00:00

Well, it's for a multitude of reasonings. I'll try to explain as simply as I can:

Men's rights aren't taken seriously

To understand this perspective, you have to really spend some time on the progressive feminist spheres. The narrative on tiktok, twitter, and even reddit is that to be born a man makes your life easier by default. You don't have to put up with sexual harassment, mansplaining, and the patriarchy.

So, if you live by the narrative that men exist on easy mode, it's easy to understand why the idea of "Men's Rights" sounds like a joke. "Your living life on easy mode. Why the fuck do you need a movement? Do you have any idea how hard being a woman is?"

2) Women/Men's rights both require criticism of the opposite sex, which often gets mistaken as sexism

Simply said, you cannot discuss the disadvantages of women without talking about the how those disadvantages ultimately benefit men and vice versa. Likewise, in order to talk about how dating sucks for men, one must understand how that disadvantage translates into a privilege for women who get to date. A good example of this is how

And unfortunately, by recognizing that some women might have an easier time in dating in some aspects, some people see this as completely invaldiating women's struggles in dating, or men just making up excuses to victimize themselves.

3) Unfortunately with every good movement there are some parasites that join along

Yeah, it's unfortunate but in a subreddit that's designed to talk about men's disadvantages and how they aren't taken seriously, there are going to be some men who are going to use this subreddit to rationalize their misogyny. These men poison the movement and get the of the men's right's activists here labelled as misogynists. And his minority is oftentimes the loudest.

Cerricola · 2022-07-24T07:52:37+00:00

Bigotry

simbuah · 2022-07-24T12:42:48+00:00

The sub is not inherently “incel” or “woman-hating” but it attract a lot of those people since their subs get banned. There are a lot of comments that are delusional and obviously written by an incel-mindset.

Ironic_iceberg_69 · 2022-07-24T10:11:04+00:00

I'm a guy, I'm not a part of this sub, but I came here from a post on r/TopMindsOfReddit about a guy complaining about the Male bathroom being locked in McDonalds. From that I can guess the whole loud minority thing.

One_True_Hobo · 2022-07-24T08:27:25+00:00

while the cause itself is good half the hot posts on here are just incels complaining about not being treated pristinely and it really hurts the movement because real, actual important issues get stuffed down by stuff like "the mcdonalds bathroom had a locked men's room but unlocked women's room!!!!! what is this injustice!!!"

it's pitiful

BoudiccaGoesWest · 2022-07-24T14:59:25+00:00

Honestly, as someone who staunchly supports men’s rights and acknowledges how damaging social constructs and legal process can be for them, and as someone who’s hung out on this sub for more than a hot minute…it’s because:

a) this sub doesn’t actually demonstrate any interest in allying with other activist groups who have similar goals,

b) there’s a good deal of straight up bitter/vengeful/dehumanizing sentiment—not just about toxic feminism, but also leaking into generalizations about women at large, and

c) yall have a distinctly MAGA / angry conservative vibe, as evidenced by much of the media outlets preferred here (I saw Washington Free Beacon the other day. Suuuuuper gross dudes.)—and that really reinforces the perception that you aren’t so much in favor of equal rights as you are in restoring a “traditional family” model (wtf that even means).

I’m not saying that’s the case. I’m saying it REINFORCES THE PERCEPTION.

So…yeah, yall have some serious optics issues going on, honestly, I think because, just like toxic feminism, you have yet to emerge from identifying the problem come to a place of constructive collaboration.

I’m legitimately pissed at yall for not joining forces with abortion rights advocates to push for sweeping reproductive choice rights—for men AND women. I’m just as pissed at r/witchesvpatriarchy for not reaching across the aisle to you all. But somebody’s gotta be the adult in the room, or we’re gonna keep screaming at each other until we’re all boiled alive.

Love you. I really do.

Department-Pretend · 2022-07-24T19:41:52+00:00

Women.

BAERlauch_ · 2022-07-24T11:49:18+00:00

Because there are some ponits said which are sexist bullshit. I dont mean the problems like suicide or men having to initiate dating. But then the answers aee that women are evil humans who force men.

zeroaegis · 2022-07-24T14:47:25+00:00

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gamerlololdude · 2022-07-24T07:29:55+00:00

This sub uses the term “feminism” to mean female supremacy.

Anything anti-feminist would be labeled a hate sub because feminism has whole scholarly section and progression to mean things that this sub refuses to acknowledge. Feminism is a gender equity movement so being against it puts you into being labeled dumb or hateful.

If they were to just replace feminism with female supremacy then we could have more civil conversations.

The other thing though this sub acts as a venting place so it’s not as censored. Which is good. The more controlled sub is r/menslib

But what happens with uncensored discourse is people don’t try to be polite. People are mad. They will try to communicate with what words they have which may not be the kindest or politically correct.

I used this sub to analyze issues. Here you get raw ideas. Like for example banning circumcision is an issue related to bodily autonomy not being respected. So HUMAN genital mutilation is wrong. This include female, intersex, male.

But here you get the lashing out phrases “my body my choice huh? But what about male genital mutilation”.

The person is mad. But their hate ends up unproductive.

Is it shitty that the Deluth model is not gender inclusive (keeps assuming woman victim, man perpetrator). Yeah it is but the solution is to advocate to expand the definition. Not sit around here complaining how mean feminists are painting men as evil.

People here do no bother understanding what patriarchy, toxic masculinity, gender wage gap, employment equity etc. refers to. They pick up social media sound bites and get mad.

I have explained these things so many times to people even though they could have picked sociology textbooks to be able to have proper discourse on these topics.

There are issues with what can be called men’s rights. They are varied all over the world btw. While this sub seems to be mainly about US.

It’s just that people just kinda reaffirm the same beliefs which makes an echo chamber of this sub rather than productive action and discussion. Like most tbh on Reddit.

Azihayya · 2022-07-24T15:09:22+00:00

I don't like this sub, as someone who truly believes in men's rights (as men's rights issues, not as merely men's issues: circumcision, male draft, incarceration rates and unfair sentencing, paternity rights) because the men here clearly are incapable of expressing sincere sympathy and desire for the cause, instead choosing to manufacture outrage, and are never content to discuss men's rights, but instead feel the need to strawman feminism like it's men's boogie man, because the men here can't admit that men ourselves are the biggest opponents to achieving parity on men's rights issues.

It's just an irresponsible movement defined by a bunch of irresponsible men kicking gravel because they look at other social justice movements, like the civil rights and women's rights movement, and think that being outraged and indignant is the marker of being oppressed, and think that because it worked for other people it must work for us. Every guy here is so convinced that he knows something and sees the world for how it really is that other people can't see--but in reality it's just a bunch of angry guys who have been deeply influenced by the manosphere and who are barely able to contain their bigotry from reaching over into this sub. Men's Rights guys here can't even acknowledge the validity of other social justice movements! Especially women's rights, which the guys here constantly diminish and pretend are a non-issue.

Basically the guys here have developed a strategy that they think is most likely to succeed, which is to come on here, post an article about women doing something shitty or unfair, and leave a response underneath saying that feminists are evil and to blame for all of the bad things that happen to men. What that's managed to succeed at doing is capturing the ire of a lot of young men who now frequent the sub to vindicate their desire to feel like an oppressed minority~~but this hasn't convinced anyone else of anything, and that's mostly due to the fact that we don't have a core message, and whatever core message we might have is buried in our addendums, because we ourselves are not content with our core message. Instead of fighting for men's rights, we're just fighting to crush feminism, and it's a very futile attempt that just further exemplifies the most toxic traits of men in this sub.

Every once in awhile a man will have a genuine story of being abused by a woman or by the court, or in the workplace, and sometimes that's accompanied by a lesson for other men to be cautious--but just like when a woman or a trans man come here to express sympathy, those stories are quickly weaponized against feminism. By every reasonable standard this sub is an anti-feminist conspiracy theory club, where men are expected to be radicalized against feminism. It's a really bad sub. The guys here don't take any responsibility for themselves, aren't interested in improving as individuals, and hardly care for the movement at all. If this were a place where men could actually come to receive sympathy and advice most guys here would probably be forced to admit that they have no interest in being sincere. This place only serves to maximize feelings of indignation and victimhood, while placing the blame unfairly on feminism. It's an utterly doomed movement.

If anyone reads this and has an interest in being deradicalized and experiencing healthy expressions of masculinity on topics of social justice, I recommend you take a look at Pop Culture Detective and F.D. Signifier on YouTube.

trapezemaster · 2022-07-24T18:42:55+00:00

Lot of name calling and gaslighting instead of open minded discussion. Also a lot of guys here don’t seem to know how to have a focused, calm, and thoughtful discussion. It’s like - “agree with what I say or fuck you fool”. That is toxic masculinity in full view for the world to see. This will harden people against us as we’re asking for more rights. There are legitimate mens rights issues to be discussed, but we already lose when we have immature responses, resort to name calling, and can’t accept that other men can and should be allowed to have a different view. We have to admit that optics matter, and a lot of guys here make men look horrible. I think I’ve had like 4 threads with guys here where it actually felt fairly positive. Most of the time seems like dudes are just in attack mode. That’s cool, but maybe those dudes should start a different sub and call it “MenVenting” or something. MensRights makes it seem like a place to have serious discussion, but that loses credibility the moment someone responds with “that’s ridiculous” “you’re a fool” “I bet you…” etc. that’s classic toxicity and muddies the waters.

Fantastic-Storage542 · 2022-07-24T17:38:22+00:00

The purpose of this sub is very humanitarian . But some users of this sub are meatheads , maybe thats why.

regularcomments · 2022-07-24T18:01:40+00:00

I will say just two things: Ignorance and fear of the unknown.

his_purple_majesty · 2022-07-24T18:39:13+00:00

because humans are extremely instinctual and not nearly as rational as people believe. one of these instincts is to protect. another is to require rigid adherence of males to the soldier/worker paradigm or whatever the male paradigm is. this sub challenges both of those.

ScottishSam · 2022-07-24T18:39:17+00:00

Because if they actually read the sub, they'd have to stop believing male privilege is a real thing.

beleidigtewurst · 2022-07-24T18:49:34+00:00

It undermines the dogmas that a multi-billion "can't we bend further for our women" industry and all its spin-offs are based on.

FallWithHonor · 2022-07-24T19:06:08+00:00

As far as I'm aware, it's because bigots can be in any size, color, or gender.

And most of the west looks at people who have been wronged as having deserved it because their god only punishes sinners.

capitanMorgan89 · 2022-07-24T19:31:59+00:00

I love this sub!! I love you all!! Except for the radical bigoted miseducated vein narcissistic lost souls. They can be such mean kids! Mens rights will soon change for the better good of humanity!!

ZekalMacabre · 2022-07-24T19:58:15+00:00

People are afraid of the truth. They want to supress it and minimize it when it doesn't fit their agenda. That's why.

crippledhermit · 2022-07-24T20:23:42+00:00

Since most of the male-only and male-friendly subs are gone, in a just, fair world, the rat's nests that are TwoX and FDS should be banned too. There's many more of course, including AgainstHateSpeech and MGTOWBan which are nothing but brigading and harassment subs.

Aquariumpsychotic · 2022-07-24T20:39:47+00:00

Idk I got banned from a few subs for joining this one because it is a redpill subreddit or something

Chaos92muffin · 2022-07-24T21:35:44+00:00

Anything that advocates something positive for men it will get shitted on in this world.

Oh how dare you as a man don't like when we abuse you and talk badly about you.

maxlvb · 2022-07-24T21:38:22+00:00

That's easy...

Inside most feminists and women is a misandrist totalitarian screaming to get out. They don't like having another point of view in the room and they try to squash it by character assassination and name calling.

Men need feminism like bicycles need fish.

tsawsum1 · 2022-07-24T22:16:08+00:00

Because some people here use incel terms and do, in fact, hate on women. People also attack feminism with the same rhetoric feminists use themselves yet attack feminists for being anti-men (the patriarchy is why us men commit more suicide, get no paternity leave, etc. Feminism supports men and mens rights too). Go to r/menslib if you want to see an example of a group without the misogyny this sub has. Note: I am a lurker on this sub because I find it interesting to compare and contrast with other similar groups. I don’t usually respond to anything because it isn’t worth my time just to get banned. I am responding to a direct question with a direct answer. Downvote me if you wish

PotentialSecond68 · 2022-07-24T22:28:47+00:00

The femmanazi's love to troll this sub

Leading_Direction_84 · 2022-07-24T22:44:57+00:00

I'd say mostly because the very few incel/woman-haters among us happen to be the loudest.

Extra-Strike2276 · 2022-07-24T23:30:05+00:00

Cognitive dissonance. That is the main reason behind all of it. They have convinced themselves that they are our victims and any info counter to that they will get angry and vindictive. It's easy to label an entire group a set way when so many are under the same influence. This keeps most from actually seeing what's posted here, and just seeing key words and making assumptions. Most of the responses I get from feminist either lack reading comprehension, are a troll, or it's cognitive dissonance. I really don't think they are lacking in comprehension, but some are trolls and the rest just need to break their view of the world and see reality. It takes a lot to break through and get past your own deceptions, especially if it protects you from seeing your own faults.

TheTwinHorrorCosmic · 2022-07-25T00:14:15+00:00

Because in the modern age the thought that men can have “rights” or do anything right is disgusting to a lot of women. Especially left leaning women.

The feminist movement went over itself from “ladies we are equal to men” to “We have something men want and therefore were better and smarter because we have the reproductive organs to foster a child and bring it into this world. Also P U S S Y”

Seriously, it’s beyond sad how devolved human interaction has become to the point where some people I’ve met only interact with others to have sex

ImpeccableArchitect · 2022-07-25T00:51:07+00:00

The thing is, i dont hate women, i have many women friends. At its best this sub is men supporting each other. At its worst its men moaning about women in the same way feminists are always moaning about men. Those worst examples are used to feed the incel/misogyny/sad loser narrative. Its a comfortable lie that allows the twoXX (or whatever its called) types to splash around in their misandrist mud, without acknowledging how far most womens world would go to shit if men withdrew their services.

Ok_Calligrapher5776 · 2022-07-25T10:07:26+00:00

Why is there so much hate on this sub?

throwaway20210821 · 2022-07-24T05:03:42+00:00

Zero citations or examples. Account made just a few days ago with no posts elsewhere except on a genealogy sub. Obvious troll is obvious. Nobody even pays attention to or talks about this sub much at all. You aren't going to be able to bait everyone here into acting like they are being persecuted so easily.

Title	Why is there so much hate for this sub?
Author	Minute-Language-7993
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Date	July 24, 2022 3:41 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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