Is romance dead?

Slyfer_Seven · 2023-01-23T18:12:32+00:00

Romance isn't dead, it has just evolved over time.

I mean damn, I'm 40 and written letters were already a little out of touch when I was young...

Lysa_Bell · 2023-01-23T18:17:42+00:00

Romance doesn't happen for dating anymore. Dating is very clinical. Romance can still be part of a relationship

lem0ngirl15 · 2023-01-23T18:37:23+00:00

I felt romance and dating was fun when I lived in Europe. North American culture sucks. It is very transactional and selfish and if you show attachment then you “lose”. Its fucking bizarre. Europe is catching up in this way a bit since everything is becoming Americanize but it’s not as extreme. People still meet through friends, at work, they don’t need to only use dating apps. People make an effort and keep in touch.

NockerJoe · 2023-01-23T20:54:18+00:00

I think a lot of women don't understand how easy it is for men to get burned out on romance. Last time I was on a dating app it wasn't rare for women to put on their profiles they wanted grand gestures and flowers on the first date before you've even actually met, while in reverse 90% of women you match with will fade from the conversation within a couple of messages.

Romance is sort of predicated on the idea that both people are engaging in good faith with equal effort. A dynamic where the man has to drive the whole thing and the woman more or less choses to pull the brakes and instantly pick another dude five minutes later is not either of those things. Its obviously not going to encourage a man to want to be romantic and do a bunch of extras. This goes double if women across social media complain all the extras should be the bare minimum without giving anything in return.

In a world where slow fades and ghosting are as common as they are the only thing you can really do is not get attached and do whatever low investment entirely performative thing you need to do.

Mobrowncheeks · 2023-01-23T18:19:26+00:00

Romance isn’t dead, it’s just traditional forms of courtship have become performative.

There’s nothing romantic about a woman wanting you to buy her flowers.

There is something romantic about surprising her with something of equal standing like a treat or small gift.

There’s nothing romantic about expecting to be taken to dinner.

There is something romantic about trying to make her a meal she likes or spontaneously having food at a food truck you find while out and about.

There’s nothing romantic about calling her babe because you guys made it official.

There’s something romantic about having an inside joke that might even manifest into a nick name from a time you had together.

Everything that’s considered romance now has been turned into things you are “ supposed” to do and measures that have been pre established as “romantic” I think this is how so many guys end up saying “ I did everything right and she still didn’t want me”

Romance isn’t suppose to be performative, it’s supposed to be gestures and moments that solidify your relationship together as unique and shows appreciation or enthusiasm about your partner depending on what stage in the courtship you are in.

Royal-Tip4585 · 2023-01-23T23:45:31+00:00

Hopefully. When you got chicks on Twitter who say they never want to be approached and if a guy does approach them he’s “imparting his emotional labor into a women” then romance is dead.

I want romance to completely die. And for there be a generation of women who wish it didn’t die. So we can walk back some of these insane ideas that are anti human.

tidepodforbreakfast · 2023-01-23T18:21:59+00:00

For whatever reason women have decided that a man showing interest is needy and insecure. Because they are so scared of mens motivations they see open interest as 'love bombing' or an attempt to seduce / get laid. Because they are so damaged by chad they project that insecurity onto all men. So yes romance is dead.

In my experience I have only been rejected when I have bought flowers. The girl feels like she is being bought. Same if I go out to a nice place for a date, despite being really well off financially it comes off as buying love. Its like sorry I just wanted to try this place.

John_Oakman · 2023-01-23T18:18:29+00:00

For the majority of the population it was never alive to begin with, and like thing such as ice cream and air conditioning it's a luxury product being commercialized as a necessity due to modern capitalism in the industrial revolution.

MangoMelonYT12 · 2023-01-23T18:33:32+00:00

Y'all destroyed the motivation for marriage minded men to court. And why do 2023 Modern Women want 1950s traditional men?

gobblegoobleoneofus · 2023-01-23T21:29:03+00:00

yes its dead. women say they want that stuff but then when you do it they think you are weird and tryhard

making it look like you aren't that interested is the new romance

Mr_Chad_Thunderpenis · 2023-01-23T20:05:46+00:00

Romance and chivalry are dead because they are not advantageous anymore when it comes to reproduction. If they offered a significant advantage, they'd still be alive. They don't, so they were killed.

nunchuckbitch27 · 2023-01-23T18:19:14+00:00

I do this type of thing for my partner all the time because it's fun and keeps the relationship alive, but what I think you're asking about is the courtship stages.

If that's the case then nah, there's no way I'd push the boat out for a stranger like that. I've noticed that a lot of relationships seem to start out with grand gestures which taper off when both partners feel like they've locked each other down. I don't like that. In my opinion it should be the other way round - huge romantic gestures being something you should build to as your relationship becomes more intense. The casual package is good, the girlfriend package is great, the fiancee package fantastic, and the wife package the ultimate. I'm being a bit clinical in my descriptions, but hopefully you understand what I mean.

This is if you're a person who likes that kind of stuff, of course. I've been with plenty of women in the past who hated romance, and that's fine too. Each to their own.

Safinated · 2023-01-23T19:26:10+00:00

Just for the shitty, selfish, or unmotivated . People who interact in good faith and give a shit have a chance, it’s just not guaranteed

Objective_Theory_156 · 2023-01-24T01:28:35+00:00

I’m not going to lie. I’ve dated both men and women and no one does romance like lesbians. I had an ex and we did letters weekly. We’d add little gifts in the envelope like flower seeds, or our lipstick prints on sketch paper. My partner once made me resin earrings out of flowers my violets shed one winter. Men definitely can be romantic! But I think a part of the difference is two women are often more comfortable being fully emotionally vulnerable and caring for each other. I think due to the idea of « simping » and the generally stoicism men are taught to embody. It makes it a lot harder to be comfortable in expressing love and doing romantic gestures.

Diamond-Breath · 2023-01-24T02:20:44+00:00

My boyfriend courted me properly. He took me out on dates, gave me a token (his rosary necklace) when we made things official, he has given me flowers, actual letters, cute gifts when we enter stores, and he has taken me on vacations for our anniversary. He's also the one who drives to my place to pick me up. I love how romantic he is, he's quite serious and assertive (some would call him dominant), but I've never met a man like him, he has a really gentle heart. I'm spending the rest of my life with that man and I vow to keep making him happy and at ease for as long as I can.

So no, romance is not dead. Lovely people do exist.

dumbbitchcas · 2023-01-24T03:12:56+00:00

Yes. It’s completely dead. I have never heard of a man doing any of those things IRL. It’s completely transactional. Men get sex, women get brief amounts of validation/attention.

gofigure62 · 2023-01-23T18:39:28+00:00

Romance is dead for the people that don't engage in it.

Romance is action, people have to do nice things for one another that the other person values specifically. It is also something that has to be maintained through the duration of the relationship. Many people, especially hetor men pretend to be romantic to win a woman over, but stop engaging in that behavior once they that the woman won't leave them.

I mostly only see gay people doing romantic and special things for their partner "just because" and not specifically because it's a holiday.

I rarely see hetro couples publicizing their romantic behavior towards one another. Typically heterosexual people just complain about their relationship and do everything but explicitly say that they hate their partners and are only together out of convince and fear of being alone.

I also see heterosexual men largely just complaining that they have to go on dates or spend any time with women in order to get sex from women. The loudest group of men seem to complain about any involvement with women outside of sexual intercourse.

It could also just be selection bias on my behalf, where I just don't see or read about heterosexual couples doing romantic things for one another on any given day. It also could be that heterosexual couples that are romantic towards one another have happier and healthier relationships, so they don't need to seek any external advice, approval, support, or validation.

M3taBuster · 2023-01-23T20:26:35+00:00

95+% of women today are not worth the effort and sacrifice of traditional courtship. I would be more than happy to do these sorts of things for a woman who has already proven herself to be traditional and capable of offering the perks that come alongside that, but by the time I will have gotten to know her well enough to find this out, we would already be past the early stages of courtship.

I do truly feel bad for the 1 in 20 or so traditional women who have to suffer the consequences of this all being ruined by the other 19 women, though. I just think it's unfair to expect me to stick my neck out and run the extremely high risk of being taken advantage of in this modern dating landscape.

Substantial_Video560 · 2023-01-23T18:40:40+00:00

More or less. It does still exist nowadays but it's rare.

Peacesquad · 2023-01-23T19:31:35+00:00

Women are giving away milk for free so there’s no incentive for a man to pay full price for the cow. Add to that social media and online dating and everything is all fucked up

WYenginerdWY · 2023-01-24T02:07:23+00:00

Would you be more prone to try and build a relationship with a man that wooed you and tried to warm your heart before they tried to have sex with you?

Why is this even a question? You just have to not be a weirdo about it.

GlumManufacturer1557 · 2023-01-23T21:01:21+00:00

I don't have much to say about this topic, but I just want to throw it out there that, as a woman, I'd absolutely love any of those gestures. Surely, a woman who wants to have casual sex/ fwbs probably won't care as much, but to most women looking for serious, long term relationships, those are some of the best ways to get in their hearts.

Conscious_Ad_6572 · 2023-01-23T20:11:02+00:00

Women killed it

suj1290 · 2023-01-23T18:40:23+00:00

Yes it's dead

MistyMaisel · 2023-01-23T19:00:11+00:00

I mean, in my prior relationship, which was LD, we wrote handwritten things for each other. It wasn't necessary, obviously we had skype, discord, and text. But it was fun, flirty, and romantic for us both. I sent him care packages from time to time since he was still in Uni. I wouldn't say other than this he was ever really romantic, he wasn't, but, ya know. I also don't think he kind of knew how to be given the distance.

In my current relationship, I would say we're both kind of oddballs to begin with. I mean, I like flowers and all the rest, but I sort of hate it if they're expected or dictated (like valentines day or something is just gross to me). But I can say he was always making an effort in his own way to be romantic, taking me for moonlight rides to pretty views, putting on oldies music, that sort of thing. Getting lunchables for long car trips. Remembering to swipe me some baked goods I'd mentioned being particularly fond of at work and then grandly presenting them to me.

I don't think romance is dead by any means. I think it's just looking a little different for a lot of us because of the anti-tradition, anti-consumerism age a lot of us are living in. But if we're defining romance as small and grand gestures of affection and interest in an attempt to impress and attract...I'm not sure you can actually get that out of humans, particularly men towards women. I think it's just built in us to be like, "I baked this for you" or "look at me! Look at me! I'm delightful. And I want you to be delighted by me. And I got you this thing you said you liked!"

I know the other day, I was with my younger brother who is learning magic tricks and showing them to me. And he'd gotten pretty great at it. And I offhandedly said to him, "Keep this in your back pocket for a girl you like. The ability to delight or enchant women is quite important. And this would do the trick". And he looked quite pleased of course. But, I think this is pretty common still, honestly. Because I just think you can't stop boys from wanting to impress girls and eventually romance them. Same for girls to boys. It's just shifting about how it happens.

As for would I like it? I don't think so just because it feels like this isn't consistent. It's just done until you've "won" the person and then it all suddenly disappears. That happened a lot to me in prior relationships. So I've really made a point that I'd rather be loved in small ways and romanced in small ways every day than get a grand gesture once in a great while.

feanoric · 2023-01-23T19:28:19+00:00

Yes, romance is dead, and it is a good thing, especially for men who do not have to invest as much on pussy they may not even get anyway.

Romance only made sense when men and women needed each other personally, for lifelong bonds, children, and unifying families. We live in times that none of that is required anymore. Romance today is just an act of theater: entertainment only, but not even the best entertainment, and it costs lots of money.

Today, they need each other for very specific things such as sex or emotional company. Romance is just a plus.

bootyhunter69420 · 2023-01-23T20:22:22+00:00

I'm not wasting my time writing letters when Chad get the same girl to have sex with him with a late night "you up" text. I'll try to be romantic for my girlfriend but not for every girl out there.

anonymous-platypus1 · 2023-01-24T00:57:05+00:00

Nah, my sister gets flowers from her husband every single week. He takes her for surprise dates, not just date night pre-planned. He calls her beautiful. Which is hard to do if you think your partner is a solid 5 and just your “looksmatch”.

Baby_Bear_1043 · 2023-01-24T03:07:25+00:00

Oooo I'm 23 and I'd love to give my perspective on this. I think it depends on the people, relationships really aren't the same anymore. Unless you find someone that you share a like-mind with. You're on the same page with everything. Luckily I have. Shit like that is rare these days, a lot of people don't really put effort into relationships. You have to work for a relationship and while you're in a relationship you still have to work for it. You can't just give up on it. You have to hear each other out, you have to communicate and be patient and respect each other. & that's something that lacks a lot now.

I think social media has a lot of influence of a relationships. More than we actually think. Trends have taken over.... went to work with some girl she only dated guys that were 6'0 ft or looked a certain way...( which comes into play making men feel like they're not good enough. When they are ).... I'm 5'2 ft, she was shorter than me !!! Personally I think 6'0 ft is way too tall, but that's just me.

It's nice to have looks.... don't get me wrong....but these days, it's allll about looks and what they have ( money / materialistic things ) and not really about what's behind their eyes meaning their true soul. Are they a good person ? Or do they just look attractive ?

& I don't want to get bitched at, but certain people like showing off their almost nude or nude bodies for attention / money. You look great, congratulations but men do not want to be with a lady like that. Vise versa, too. I don't wanna see your ding dong. Cover yourself up. You look easy. Leave some room for imagination.

Most of the dating apps met for finding a "soulmate" has turned into a quick way for hookups. It's all about sex now, really. You try taking it slow with someone but they give up on you... because you won't give any. They ghost you or decide to call it quits.

People fool around on each other a lot. Why ? I have no idea. Temptation is everywhere and some can't respect their significant other. People think it's "smart" to have multiple people lined up and have choices even though you're telling another person you want to be with them. Some people think having multiple people is a power thing and it's really disgusting. It's also disgusting sleeping around with a bunch of people and then bragging about it.

Just a little edit about my first paragraph, is romance dead? No. I still give my boyfriend little handwritten love notes because I just think they're oh so adorable. My boyfriend knows that I love pinecones and for Valentine's Day he's giving me a bunch of pinecones. My boyfriend and I cook together, he's my little taste tester. When we take showers together, he likes super fucking hot showers but I like a more warm shower....he makes sure it's nice and warm so I would like it. He knows that I am obsessed with books, and he bought me a six series of books for Christmas and a necklace that I love. Before getting into his car, he cleans off his passenger seat...even when nothing is there, he just dusts it. He still opens the doors for me and lets me walk in first.... Although sometimes we bicker back and forth because I want him to walk in first so I can admire his ass. He's always checking out my car and making sure everything is up to date and works okay, so he knows that I'm driving safely. Our first date, he took me to this restaurant that he could hardly even afford but he still paid the bill. ( I didn't know that till recently )

So it just depends on the person that you're with. Romance isn't dead but it really is different and harder to come by.

jackedclown_1 · 2023-01-24T08:27:36+00:00

Asked out my ex by sketching a portrait of her for valentine's day. Was cheesy but she was thrilled, too bad we had to separate because of covid.

angypanda123 · 2023-01-25T12:33:19+00:00

I would definitely be more interested in a guy who wooed me, but for the right reasons. Not so they can have sex with me, but because they genuinely like me and want to pursue a real relationship that can lead to marriage.

Romance isn't completely dead but it seems to no longer be encouraged. Only the romantics are still doin these things: Flowers, hand written cards. I am a romantic so I love them haha

gymbro718nyc2 · 2023-01-23T18:09:55+00:00

Romance is a commercially invented BS

astronautophilia · 2023-01-23T18:33:15+00:00

What you're describing isn't romance, it's the traditional aesthetic of romance. What's the difference between a romantic letter and a romantic text message? It's the content of the message that decides how romantic it is, not the medium. Flowers themselves aren't romantic, it's the underlying message of "I've been thinking about you" that's conveyed by them that makes the gesture romantic, and there are many other ways of conveying that message that don't involve cutting up colourful plants. You're complaining about transactional, superficial aspects of modern dating, but those very same aspects are extremely prevalent in the traditional courtship methods you're describing. They just don't stand out to you because you subconsciously accept them as normal.

toasterchild · 2023-01-23T18:07:37+00:00

Wouldn't this be really subjective? If romance means love letters and flowers I am ok with it dying personally, it just seems like what someone does if they have no personality. Shit like that gives me the heebie-jeebies If romance means actually enjoying spending time together like talking all night by a fire then I'm down and I still see couples doing that shit all the time.

obviousredflag · 2023-01-23T18:16:14+00:00

>It seems to me that modern dating is purely transactional

Wants to exchange flowers for affection.

My sides.

NOTSM · 2023-01-23T18:25:58+00:00

Romance isn't dead but stuff like writing love letters and giving gifts after a few dates is.

And good riddance, I don't want to have to do any of that shit.

Birb-brained · 2023-01-23T18:43:32+00:00

Last week was my 35th birthday. My partner had a baker make me a surprise birthday cake in my favourite flavours and he wrote me a letter inside my card (which he does every year and I keep them). I would say he’s very romantic, so I don’t think romance is dead.

I love getting small gifts and flowers, anything that shows they were thinking of you when they weren’t with you.

If you are a naturally romantic person, I don’t think it will matter if you met the other person through online dating or any other way, if you are someone who likes to give flowers then give them.

Coolio_Street_Racer · 2023-01-23T19:24:30+00:00

What is Romance, other than a man trying to respectfully court a women?

Women always fucked the bad boys and settled with the dependable nice guys. A tale as old as time itself.

Romance was never alive to begin with. Men just didn't know any better and nice guys thought they where being romantic while in reality they were just getting famoused.

januaryphilosopher · 2023-01-23T19:33:07+00:00

I love sending love letters and giving and getting flowers. The younger generation do this more than you think. Even if they met that person online! I wouldn't be prone to build a relationship with someone who trued romantic gestures though, they come after a relationship is established generally. I don't like to feel "wooed" like I need some kind of convincing but that we're doing things mutually.

domdomdom333 · 2023-01-24T00:53:49+00:00

Old expression of love have fefinitely died in the mainstream, doesn't mean you can't still look for one who's also looking for something more popular in the generations prior.

Watch kids in 2100 also ask others "is romance dead? No one sends texts, facetimes or grab a quick McDonald's on a night out..." Due to the uncertainty of the future, the past is always idealised as having all the solutions that were lost.

iluvsaintrodger · 2023-01-23T19:13:35+00:00

There's no point for men cuz women just become more demanding

Lift_and_Lurk · 2023-01-23T18:18:59+00:00

I wish. It be nice not to have to make reservations around Christmas for Valentine’s Day just to make sure you get a decent table at a decent restaurant.

PurpleBaseball2700 · 2023-01-23T18:48:24+00:00

Romance is not dead. My gf and I send each other love letters. I've bought her flowers. I take her out on dates at fancy restaurants. We get each other small gifts. We have intimate talks. It is rarer though.

Online dating and hookup culture radically increased dating options with people you barely know. Are women expecting to be wooed on those dates? Guys don't yet know them well enough to invest romantically in them, especially when she could be going on dates with 100 guys. It's not worth it for him to invest upfront until things progress further.

It's very different than the older days when she was only dating 2-3 guys her friends and family know. In that scenario, he already knew a lot about her by the first date (to know she's worth it) and there aren't that many other guys in the picture, so it's rational for him to invest wooing her on the early dates.

With app culture he barely knows anything about her and she's probably going to flake for the 99 other guys, so why invest upfront? Most normal guys will not. The guys that do are usually love-bombing narcissists. So if women are expecting to be wined and dined from apps and then end up with narcissistic abuse, maybe that's why...

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literaryhogwartian · 2023-01-23T18:32:14+00:00

Why can't romantic texts be romantic? My husband send me loving texts all the time and used to send me essays when we first met, it's a lovely gesture of his

RocinanteCoffee · 2023-01-23T20:13:42+00:00

Dose any one send love letters anymore?

I'm not a romantic so I don't send "love" letters.

But I do send handwritten/aged parchment/burnt edges/real hand-dripped wax seal letters to people.

Sometimes as props, sometimes to send them on a treasure hunt, sometimes just for fun.

Letter-writing is still popular enough that any Renaissance faire in the US sells out of wax seals and stationery and stores selling lined perfume/cologne-ready letter-writing paper are still somehwat in business.

Are men trying to woo women in a traditional fashion anymore like maybe if a date goes well send flowers to her or just show small tokens of appreciation and interest?

Sending flowers after one date is often thought as coming-on-too-strong but it can vary from couple to couple. Some women enjoy receiving a single flower after the first date, and a growing number of men enjoy receiving flowers.

Women I have to ask how would you react to a man that did these kind of things?

I would not be into someone giving me flowers or writing me love letters.

Women are individuals, some of us are romantic, some of us are not romantic or sentimental hardly at all or at all.

I do appreciate thoughtfulness for example but I will not usually accept gifts from a date, especially if we've only been on a handful of dates.

It seems to me that modern dating is purely transactional and superficial and lacks real intimacy and that is what everyone is craving

This isn't true at all. The beauty of modern dating is that people who don't want marriages or relationships aren't forced or pressured into them (as much, the pressure still exists, see many parents, lots of online magazine articles, and many, many movies and other popular media). A casual situation doesn't have to be superficial or transactional, and people are still falling deeply in love every day.

The younger generations (zoomers and younger millennials) are not getting married as early or as frequently but when they do are reporting much higher levels of happiness among more couples compared to older generations and also a significantly lower divorce rate and percentage based on the same time frames as older generations.

It’s seems to be based on some weird game with weird rules with the end game being sex not actual deep connection.

Firstly there is nothing wrong with two consenting upfront adults only having and end game of sex. Relationships aren't for everyone, or aren't for everyone at all times during their life.

Secondly, deep connections happen every day, in fact there is evidence to show that the connections between those in the younger generations dating are happier and longer-lasting and not as rushed.

I came here to try to get an understanding of what is going on after talking with so many single people and hearing their struggles this is all very alien to me and seems really unnatural.

Just a note this is not a good place for dating or relationship advice. Most of the topics talked about are from people who struggle with dating.

2023-01-23T20:47:12+00:00

We’re in a you send? Generation

Familiar_Egg8802 · 2023-01-23T22:36:37+00:00

Yes and women killed it lmao.

RRBeachFG2 · 2023-01-23T23:46:48+00:00

Doing that stuff is a good way to get blasted online and ridiculed irl.

FlyV89 · 2023-01-24T01:43:44+00:00

One of the women I've been seing for a while posted this screenshot the other day on her IG, two days after finding out I'm also seing other women.

https://ibb.co/grvSCPX

Basically, the tweet says:

"It's not worth seeing someone, exclusivity no longer exists, the girl or boy you saw today will see someone else tomorrow, the person you're meeting keeps talking to twenty other people until the relationship is not totally secure... What the fuck is "getting to know someone" today?"

Of course, the girl posted it for me to see it, it's like their way of saying "you are a motherfucker" without actually saying it and coming off as "trad-con" which is funny you know, because she was the one pursuing another guy when we started and asking me not to take things "too serious" because she wanted to have fun and whatever... I just took her words at face value, said "hey, you want to fool around with that guy? I'm fine with it, I will do mine too", and now she's crying.

Lets face it, I'm not going to put on a stupid show and act like I'm the male leading role on a romantic comedy for a woman that was sucking other dude's dick while she was scanning the room for Plan B (which happened to be me, at least until she figured out I actually don't give a fuck about her anymore).

And more likely, the same will happen with the next girl who comes along, because I've seen this shit happen so many times in my life that I don't need women to confirm this is the situation we are in whenever we get to know each other, I just asume this is the case and that's it.

The only difference between this girl and the next one, is that this girl was at least honest with me and told me "yeah, look, you're great and I like you, but the guy that's fucking me most days of the week is the one I'm intrested in, if you don't mind to be the back up plan we'll have (some) sex because we have good sexual chemistry".

Lets be honest here, women don't do the courtship. Women are not the romantic gender. Women just love to be the center of the male attention, that's all.

Men are romantic. But in order for women to "inspire" that kind of romantic spark, they need to be worth of those romantic gestures you know...

Men don't require women to be "chivalrous" and do romantic crap in order to get a boner. We want to fuck. Yes, we want women to be fun, sexy and receptive, but after that... That's that.

If women were intrested in this kind of crap, they would start acting accordingly and start demanding more of this crap, but they don't.

And I tell you, I've met several chumps in my life, dudes that have the spine of a slug I tell you...

But even those would chuckle at the thought of buying flowers and chocolates to a girl who probably has the jizz of another dude on her teeth while she smiles at them at the other side of the dinner table.

And I tell you, that's how lots of guys see women these days.

I'm not even kidding.

I always try to smell the woman's breath everytime I go for the first kiss for example.

Shit you not girl, I always think "hey she may have been sucking cock a few hours ago, what if she didn't brush her teeth?". And I'm all in for girls who give good aheads, don't get me wrong, but I'm not like putting on an act for them to feel better about themselves haha Jeesh...

Some girl friends have stright away told me sometimes "OMG I fucked this guy last night and he was so lame... I feel bad about this guy I'm kinda seeing now" and I'm like "why don't you fuck just the guy you're KINDA seing if you like him so much?".

Give me chills I swear. Women are fucking bold these days.

What I'm trying to say is you can't have it both ways you know?

You can have a sexually liberated society where girls fuck around with these good looking dudes and all that...

But you can't come up later and say "hey, the guy I was seing is seing another girl tomorrow, and is talking with 20 other girls at the same time" you know?

And in the same vein you can't claim "men are not romantic anymore".

Yeah because... You're all whores.

And even when not ALL of you are, how am I supposed to know?

And I tell you, women saying "go for the introverted girl", "go for the in-door type of girl", hell, even the "go for the ugly one"... Yeah, it doesn't work. I've had sex with a fuckton of women in my 33 years of life, and I've learned whores don't really have categories.

Pretty much all women are having no strings attached sex today, and the ones who are not and actually worth all that romantic bullshit, are too few and too far in between, and we can't really distinguish, and it doesn't even worth the effort in trying at the end.

So that's that basically.

I absolutely think you can make some bussineses with these women, if they prove to you they are not goldiggers and hell, you can have children with them if they can be mother material, like children, love traditional families and have good genes and won't pass your child a desease or something like that.

If you want kids, you can met ONE of these "born again virgin" reformed sluts, make some kind of arrangment and have a child with them or two.

But all this "romance" stuff... Yeah it's dying pretty fast and pretty soon.

And we need a new social contract too.

Marriage is not working neither.

nonameboredman · 2023-01-24T01:50:01+00:00

Romance is dead. Showcasing your romance on your social media isn't because in our sick modern society, relationships aren't for happiness but to attain some imagined social status created by lazy people who don't want to accomplish things by actively working but instead relying on their fathers' lucky shot into their mothers' wombs.

Green-Quantity1032 · 2023-01-24T09:54:27+00:00

Romantic letters are pretty dead,

but if you're in an long distance LTR I guess they're not.

and who wrote these letters? people in long distance.

But guess what - we have phones now.

I don't like those letters, they're lame imo.

My ex used to write really great letters, but it was during our relationship, not during courting.

I'm a guy btw

turbosaab3 · 2023-01-24T12:49:40+00:00

Thats nice guy behaviour.

LeMansManletRacer · 2023-01-24T20:22:47+00:00

No, you just have to fit standards.

Rexagon_2017 · 2023-01-24T22:58:41+00:00

Writing a letter will get you laughed at.

Rexagon_2017 · 2023-01-25T01:24:02+00:00

Romance is dead and buried.

ComfortableOk5003 · 2023-01-31T02:00:08+00:00

I would argue men are the romantics, cuz they are the ones doing the shit…I almost never see romantic gestures being done by women for men…so maybe men are just realizing juice ain’t worth the squeeze

Title	Is romance dead?
Author	nunchuckbitch27
Upvotes	39
Comments	241
Date	January 23, 2023 6:03 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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