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Woman asked to leave barber shop b/c it has a 'no girlfriend or wives policy.' Owner tells ABC news, "We want guys to be able to come in here and be guys and not have to worry what they say or what they talk about because there's a lady present."

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Title Woman asked to leave barber shop b/c it has a 'no girlfriend or wives policy.' Owner tells ABC news, "We want guys to be able to come in here and be guys and not have to worry what they say or what they talk about because there's a lady present."
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Comments

[–]Lion_amongst_gods 589 points590 points591 points 6 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link

There are salons and parlours in the countries that I've lived in, where only women are allowed. Even fathers of small girls had to wait outside (while the girls got their haircuts). So, it's not an outlandish idea.

[–][deleted] 6 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

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[–]wwstewart 148 points149 points150 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

That's because we just don't want to be in there. lol

[–][deleted] 93 points94 points95 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Women don’t want to be in our spaces either. They want to turn our spaces into theirs.

[–]666Evo 29 points30 points31 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Women do what their masters tell them.

Their masters don't want male only spaces because that is exactly the place where unapproved discussions can take place.

[–]RealResource 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This. 100% this.

To the female mind men assembling and talking without a woman to oversee them is a threat.

[–]666Evo 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It has nothing to do with the female mind.

The female mind is full of what it is told to be full of.

The people who are filling their minds are the ones who see it as a threat.

[–]RealResource 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You are incorrect. Women are not empty vessels, divorced from responsibility for their actions and unable to think for themselves.

It is not some shadowy figure or overlord responsible for all this. No mastermind. Every single women alive is responsible, as are quite a few men.

[–]666Evo 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't say they were divorced from responsibility.

But you're right, it's not a "shadowy figure" or an "overlord". It's multiple. All literally meeting in secret to subvert western civilisation.
Unless you think this movement is actually organic?? If so, I have a very expensive bridge to sell you.

Stealth edit: Do you honestly think women take logical steps to support a movement that has demonstrably decreased their happiness? Are you honestly trying to make me believe that?

[–]Lion_amongst_gods 38 points39 points40 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No. That's because men respect women's spaces.

[–]wwstewart 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That, too.

[–]Orchidbleu 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Yeah.. I don’t see small children left unattended with strangers as a good idea. That triggers a predator vibe. No matter who has what genitals.

[–]Lion_amongst_gods 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Partly agreed. So, either have parents of any gender accompany the toddler of any gender. Or go to a different barber.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

They can go to a different hair salon

[–]Orchidbleu 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

That wasn’t the point either way.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I understand. I’m a solutions kind of person

[–]Orchidbleu -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I got ya.. I’m a parent so I’m always leery of predators placing themselves in positions of authority and trust.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

There’s probably better ways to prey on children than a fully staffed hair salon with clients

[–]Orchidbleu 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Do you have kiddos? Just curious. You are right.. There are.. but there are various methods to human trafficking too. Cute little fresh haircuts on kids... photo opportunities. Being calm alert is always smart.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, I have 2 little girls. I abhor the word "kiddos", it's so emotionally distant. It's like doggos, or "the wife". Bleck. Cheers to you however, glad you are always vigilant!!

[–]Orchidbleu 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess when I ask if someone has kiddos. I’m not emotional towards them. Lol But I use goofy terms. I call my dogs doodles. Oh well. :)

[–]rabel111 -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I see your point. All men are sexual predators and they are born dangerous. Really good point. (NOT)

[–]Orchidbleu 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I can see you lack maturity and the intelligence to read the fact I said above. regardless of who has what genitals. But please continue the victim mentality.

[–]rabel111 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Apologies Orchi. I didn't follow up the page properly and it seemed that you were commenting on male only areas presenting a risk to children, with the obligatory "I'm not being sexist, BUT" statement. I admit to being trigger happy on that one.

On looking again I see that the origin comment mentioned leaving a female child unattended in a female only salon. Your comment was insightful and balanced.

[–]Orchidbleu 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Accepted. Sorry I got snappy. Predators are everywhere. I know men are often unfairly targeted as creepers. I don’t trust anybody with my kids. I don’t think parents should be separated from their kids by someone else’s will. That just becomes a red flag for me. I get there are “men’s clubs. And that there are “women’s clubs.” I honestly always want my husband with me. We are a team and he is my best friend.

[–]rabel111 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks Orchi. I think all good parents are the same with our kids. Sounds like you have and awesome team.

[–]OmnipotentToot 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No one's forcing them to go to that barber shop.

[–]curiousgoerge95 -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah because day cares aren't a thing

[–]Orchidbleu 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There is a reason I don’t let anyone else raise my kid, I’m guessing you are unaware how many daycare employees have been busted abusing kids. I’ll let you think about your response.

[–]Tmomp 155 points156 points157 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I searched "female only salon Oklahoma" and the first response said

WHY A CLUB FOR WOMEN ONLY ? Not a fashion show Not a singles bar Just a place for women to work out with other women. No matter what shape you're in now, we can provide a relaxed non-threatening place to become your best. Bright, Airy, Comfortable. Elite- designed for women who want more from their workout.

Actually, first I typed "women only salon Chicago" since the url said Chicago. The first response was

Best 30 Women Only Hair Salon in Chicago, IL with Reviews ...

If the woman interviewed wanted to reduce people being treated as she says she was, she might want to start with these dozens of places that have been operating longer. But then, do we believe her goal was equality?

[–]neveragoodtime 29 points30 points31 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If they don’t want a singles bar they will have to also exclude lesbian women. Otherwise women might still be being checked out and hit on.

[–]Jex117 15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't forget transwomen.

[–]CLxJames 47 points48 points49 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I love how they call a women only gym a non-threatening place when we all know that no one harshly judges women more than other women

[–]KnightofNarg 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The guys never give my wife weird looks for working out, unlike the women. They come in, spend 5 minutes on whatever machine in their fleshtight athleisurewear, stop before they break a sweat while looking at my wife in pure disgust as they leave.

[–]CLxJames 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I almost believed you but then I noticed you didn’t say they spent about 10-15 mins taking selfies over and over until they finally got the right angle, look, lighting etc

[–]jonflip_ms 672 points673 points674 points 6 years ago (72 children) | Copy Link

There was a national uproar in Portugal, when a barbershop in Lisbon forbade women to go inside, but allowed dogs. Same principle as here. "We want men to be able to talk about anything." Women actually invaded said barbershop and the City Hall received a formal complaint in order to get the barbershop closed.

source: https://observador.pt/2015/03/04/na-barbearia-figaros-mulheres-nao-entram-e-isso-tornou-se-uma-questao-politica/

[–]hajamieli 480 points481 points482 points 6 years ago (58 children) | Copy Link

Yet another double standard of feminists. Supposedly being for equality and all that, yet supporting safe spaces only for women, in effect being rather against men's rights, including safe spaces, and you never hear an uproar from feminists about these things even if their go-to excuse is "but they're no real feminists" whatever the pick and choose of the day renders as "real".

[–]omegaphallic 109 points110 points111 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Exactly tons of women only gyms and other spaces they are hypocrites, men should start setting up protests in some of these women only gyms.

[–]ld2gj 43 points44 points45 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

They are, at least in the US legal system, treated as Social clubs. So, since there is a membership fee they are allowed to do that. If a barbershop wanted to prevent women from coming in, then they need to charge a membership fee ($1) and then legally they can do that.

[–]lastdazeofgravity 15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

One penny. Take a penny.

[–]ld2gj 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

More like a monthly membership of a dollar.

[–]BorisKafka 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How about a biweekly membership of $14, which coincidentally is the cost of a haircut.

[–]WTFppl 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

$14, which coincidentally is the cost of a haircut.

I get my hair "trimmed" it's about $14. I get my hair "styled" it's about $30.

[–]Harnisfechten 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"i'm a trans-woman who is starting transition tomorrow"

[–]nage_ 41 points42 points43 points 6 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

thats all we have to do is change the wording to "safe space for men." when its stuff like joking or talking "manly things" it just sounds kiddy or ridiculous, but safe space sounds like we need space and you're violating our right to privacy

[–]despairguardian 32 points33 points34 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

This is the solution guys, right here. Explain that going to a barber shop is like seeing a therapist and women “trigger” you, so it in fact becomes a safe space.

[–]WTFppl 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly who are we explaining this too? Cause I only have to explain myself to the boss.

Someone that does not pay me to do a job gets no explanation for a fucking thing.

Of course, if we have a gf, we might have to explain a thing from time to time.

BUT WHO THE FUCK THINKS THEY HAVE TO EXPLAIN THEMSELVEWS TO A STRANGER OR A LOON?

[–]HNutz 50 points51 points52 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup

[–]aallfik11 35 points36 points37 points 6 years ago (44 children) | Copy Link

Not that I disagree, but could you give some example of woman safespaces? Poland is currently free from the plague of feminism (at least to a degree) , so I can't really imagine what would such a place be

[–][deleted] 143 points144 points145 points 6 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link

Womens only gyms, womens only parking spaces, womens only train carriages, womens only bathrooms because the mens are for any gender

[–]iResistBS 76 points77 points78 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oregon here. Woman only gyms, yoga classes, painting classes, studies and more. The thing is, it’s not an issue to me. I respect and like the fact I can go to a barber and talk shit if the situation allows or is appropriate, same with women.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points30 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Women on hotels and spas. I agree with all of it, but don't invade men only spaces either.

[–][deleted] 48 points49 points50 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That's it, I have no complaints about women only gyms, my missus gyms with me and she struggles to workout without being stared at or approached. If women want their own gyms then let them have them, but in the same way if men want things let them have them.

I do however draw the line where it's an all gendered gym but they have women only hours, and no men only hours, nor reduction in membership prices for the less hours available to men.

[–]Harnisfechten 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

my missus gyms with me and she struggles to workout without being stared at or approached

nice humble-brag lol

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not at all, it's more that she's one of very few females in a male dominated environment. And for some reason guys see the gym as a place to meet women and treat it as such

[–]p3ngwin 34 points35 points36 points 6 years ago* (18 children) | Copy Link

womens only train carriages

yep, saw this in Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur, when i visited family, even the seating on the platform was for "women only".

https://imgur.com/a/tksWQ5D

EDIT:

Car parking for women too:

China:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-19/chinas-women-only-car-parks-spark-sexist-backlash-on-social-site/9335630

Australia:

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/perth-carpark-trials-female-friendly-parking-zones/news-story/28969e1d3c6fa54cb385690026b53b7b

Germany:

https://www.thelocal.de/20150730/women-only-parking-spaces-sensible-or-sexist

Seoul, South Korea:

https://www.citylab.com/life/2018/05/whats-up-with-seouls-pink-parking-spaces-for-women/561041/

[–]PinBot1138 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

How much of that is related to Islam more so than feminism?

[–]p3ngwin 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

i don't see why it matters either way, it's a men's rights issue and "safe spaces" for women at the exclusion of the other gender is the main point.

[–]PinBot1138 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Strict Islamic societies (such as Malaysia and Indonesia) separate genders for a variety of functions.

[–]p3ngwin 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Yes, i know, as i said, i have family there :)

Again, regardless of feminism, or religion, this is a men's rights issue.

[–]paper_liger 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure it's the same thing, it's not a men's right issue because it's not a culture that claims men and women are completely equal. Men made those rules.

[–]superhobo666 -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, that's a cultural/religious issue related to Islam being an absolute shitdick sandwich that comes with rules like women needing 3 witnesses to equal a rapists word in Islamic Court, and the only recourse if she wins or loses being she gets to be married to the rapist and become his property.

[–]rabel111 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Australia, China and Germany are not strict islamic states. You're just trying to muddy the waters.

There are numerous women only spaces and services available in our communities, and yet we continue to see this trashy effort by gender hatred feminist trying to crash anything that is male orientated, or in particular, male only. It's just feminist intolerance and bigotry.

[–]PinBot1138 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re the one trying to muddy the waters with whataboutism. Stay on topic with Malaysia.

Better yet, get back to me when you’ve lived in an Islamic country, and more specifically an Asian Islamic country such as Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia or Indonesia.

[–]vhisic2 points 6 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

All those nations are heavily Christian other than China.

[–]PinBot1138 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

"Those nations"? Kuala Lumpur is the capital of Malaysia. One nation. Orthodox Islam. 61% of the population.

Since you've clearly been there and are so well acclimated with the customs, please allow me to converse in two separate languages with you.

Bahasa (Indonesia): Permisse? Wk wk wk, sangat lucu.

English: Excuse me? Ha ha ha, very funny.

[–]vhisic -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

funnily enough, I have been to Indonesia a few times. Was referring more to the main countries that were specifically listed in big ole bold text. But thanks for passive-aggressively pointing out the one I left out. That doesnt change the fact that Australia, Germany and South Korea are heavily Christian and your attempt to blame Islam is futile, unfounded and bigoted.

[–]PinBot1138 -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I have been to Indonesia a few times.

Bali doesn’t count, lol.

[–]BorisKafka 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well to be completely honest I am all for a "women only" parking lot. I like the idea that they have that space for the ones that take 15 minutes to park a car whereas I'm in the next lot parked in 30 seconds not waiting behind them.

[–]excess_inquisitivity 15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Women-only financial seminars.

Men don't need to learn about money?!

[–]WTFppl 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are good at saving their money!

[–]p3ngwin 44 points45 points46 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

US colleges are rife with them.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/safe-spaces-college-intolerant_b_58d957a6e4b02a2eaab66ccf

https://reason.com/2016/06/02/this-claremont-safe-space-for-women-of-c/

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-furedi-safe-space-20170105-story.html

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/happiness-and-the-pursuit-leadership/201511/how-making-colleges-safe-spaces-makes-us-all-less

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/08/finding-the-line-between-safe-space-and-segregation/496289/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/03/01/a-group-demanded-a-space-for-students-of-color-now-they-say-theyre-being-called-racists/

https://nypost.com/2016/02/01/desperately-seeking-a-college-thats-free-of-safe-spaces/

https://theconversation.com/why-safe-spaces-at-universities-are-a-threat-to-free-speech-94547

[–]aallfik11 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit. How is that supposed to be "equality"?

[–]p3ngwin 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yep, pretty fucked up eh ? :(

[–]lasciate 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Because when they say "equality" they sometimes mean "meta-equality", a situation where any privilege given to women is justified because they are (infinitely) oppressed.

Depending on the goal of the day equality is determined either by a comparison between two discrete individuals/groups or by a balance of all statuses across humanity. These statuses are based on narrow, arbitrary metrics or, more often, feelings of oppression to ensure that they always show women's status as "lacking".

[–]PlatinumBeetle 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well said.

[–]Atetsufooj 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Female-only gyms is one that I can think of roght now

[–]TheGhoulishSword 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

For the first time in history Poland isn't being invaded?

[–]aallfik11 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, it kinda is, but feminism is fortunately much much weaker in here than in the western countries

[–]TheGhoulishSword 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah, I see. I may move there, then.

[–]rreot 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Poland is currently free from the plague of feminism

Enlighten me

[–]aallfik11 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Well, we just don't have that much politically correct bs, and people aren't buying feminists' shit either

[–]rreot -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

?

And since when political correctness is feminism?

[–]aallfik11 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It isn't, but usually these two go hand in hand, and both are kind of twisted, compared to what they were supposed to be

[–]rreot 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

  1. Niebieska karta - blue card, equivalent to VAWA/DV/DULUTH but slightly milder. Fake some violence in house and you're out of your own house immediately

  2. Women retire 5 years earlier on top of living longer and already being drain on taxpayer in net

  3. 500+ so 125 euro monthly for a kid, Yea sure

  4. Our RPO (rzecznik praw obywatela, civil rights councilor) is a rabid feminist defending blatantly Pro female laws

  5. Skewed divorce courts, 70+% initiated by women, not paying alimony is a huge nono, and actually dying gives a life long welfare for family

  6. Men doing harder work and occupying labour intensive sectors

  7. 4x more of polish women marry foreigners in comparison to polish men... Despite males obviously outnumbering women in 0-40 bracket

  8. Despite being so feminist resistant only recently there was launched awareness campaign about prostate and testicles cancer.

[–]aallfik11 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think women retire earlier not because of feminism but because of chivalry honestly. But yeah, our RPO is a piece of shit, and divorces are indeed pretty bad for a man

[+]sljappswanz -6 points-5 points-4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the plague of feminism

wtf, that fucking insecure?

[–]Lendari 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminism hasnt been about equal rights for 30 years. Feminism is a hate movement against men that loses more legitimacy every single day as it is twisted by the most extreme practitioners.

[–]mgtowolf 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism was never about equal rights.

[–]mr_j_12 43 points44 points45 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Same thing happened in Melbourne Australia. Feminis lawyer went into a mens barber and sued for descrimination after the barber said he didn't know how to do female haircuts and to go next door where they did.

[–]feltentragus 48 points49 points50 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Should have just shaved her head and charged her $200

[–]p3ngwin 15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you heard she was a feminist right, it's already shaved :)

[–]mr_j_12 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Would have saved a discrimination suit too!

[–]bastardbeard666 50 points51 points52 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And yet the government allow for a gym for women only To continue operating. That’s why we have MRA because the double standards these feminists have and push on us.

Curves operates in Portugal. Unless it has been shut down.

[–]notPlancha 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It hasn't. Although there's one just by my house and it looks like shit so I ain't missing shit

[–]MarteloRebeloSousa 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Portugal está sempre à frente nestas merdas. É do caralho.

[–]something_new 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Xô Presidente! Que bom vê lo por aqui

[–]MarteloRebeloSousa 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

passei para dar uns abraços e tirar umas selfies ✨

[–]Pioustarcraft 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There are fitness clubs and swimming pools that are female-only so men won't harass them... Turns out the women harassed the men when the entry was forbidden for them. How ironic

[–]xNOM 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They think we're in there plotting and talking shit about women. Because it's a projection and that's exactly what they do in their "women only" spaces.

[–]Roary93 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Same happened in Australia. Guy got taken to court over it and lost $15k in expenses trying to defend himself. Not sure how it finished though

[–]mewacketergi 208 points209 points210 points 6 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link

It's kind of funny that this makes headlines, but women-only spaces are a-okay.

[–]CLxJames 61 points62 points63 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

“You can’t come here! This is for women only! Go find your own spot!”

“Uh.... ok”

makes own spot

“Hey let us in! That’s not fair! We should be able to go in too!”

[–]xxdibxx 31 points32 points33 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

And that is what happened to the Boy Scouts.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I always thought the whole Boy Scouts thing was to avoid taking a stance on transgender scouts like the Girl Scouts did.

[–]xxdibxx 25 points26 points27 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That was a side effect. It wasn’t the goal, but paved the way for the end nonetheless. The male only Boy Scouts was challenged much longer ago than that. It (puportedly) circled around the differences in teachings. They both used to have very victorian alignments, boys toward outdoors and hands-on skills, while girls towards homemaker based skills. I do not fully agree with that alignment, though I admit, as a man, I can see some base reasonings. I also can see a much increased benefit from cross teachings of skills.

My original point was this.

There used to be Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts. Now there is Girl Scouts and Scouts. Girls can join what used to be the Boy Scouts, but a boy cannot joing Girl Scouts. Double standards. But that is the way of society these days. In a collective effort to remove the separate from “separate but equal”, we have gone the opposite swing.

We have a “what is mine is mine, what is yours is mine” society today. Women can have women only places and things, all they have to do is say they feel threatened or similar. Men cannot have these things because women can use the same logic to eliminate them. They also feel threatened when they are left alone. They somehow have the idea that when men are in groups larger than one, that we are plotting against them or something. They have an innate need to be the center of attention, in a place where there is no need for them to be. It is nothing less than control. Women know that men cannot and will not speak uninhibitedly around them, if for no other reason than A) fear of being accused of something made up or B( not wanting to spend the next 7 days having every word analyzed and justifying everything that was said to an insecure woman.

[–]WolfeBane84 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

And then for no reason at all....

[–]DixieNourmos 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

....people voted Hitler into power.

[–]WTFppl 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Can you name Hitlers candidacy opposition without asking the nets?

[–]DixieNourmos 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Uuuuuuuhhhh......

[–]WTFppl 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can't

[–]WolfeBane84 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Communists.

That was literally the other option.

[–]WTFppl 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Weimar Republic; *Hindenburg

Communist made up 9%-11%[?] of the vote in '32. IIRC?

Hitler never won a Presidency, he was appointed his position upon Hindenburg's death in '33.

[–][deleted] 81 points82 points83 points 6 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Seriously there are like full bore women only gyms where I live. Like 2000+ square feet of all women space in the middle of downtown. Wtf.

[–]FrogTrainer 26 points27 points28 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

There's only one of those shared-office space places in my town. I went to register and found out it was women only.

[–]Jex117 18 points19 points20 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

We've got women's-only hours at public libraries in my city, and women's-only hours at public pools.

[–]skrism 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women's only at the LIBRARY?! the fuck?

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Imaging how loud is that place.

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[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ve reported it. Mods will probably take it down

[–]visual_account -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Na. You are overthinking a simple joke.

[–]crystalmerchant 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Where do you live?

[–]Clovdyx 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

https://www.curves.com/find-a-club

[–]crystalmerchant 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh shit, I had no idea Curves was women-only -- as in, they will kick a man out? (Not just "it's designed for women but men can come too I guess")

[–]Clovdyx 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

To be honest, that's something I was struggling to find. Nowhere on their site (that I could find) does it address the issue, so I did some other research. There were several blog posts and questions submitted to sites (reddit, quora, etc.) about the legality of the policy - but nothing that addressed where it was specifically stated.

As such, I can't say with 100% confidence they would deny men a membership, but - so far - I've seen nothing that indicates they've given them, either, and a lot of sources (including my wife and friends on their own experiences) stating it IS women only. As such, it seems probable but not certain.

[–]seraph85 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's perfectly legal as long as it's classified as a social club and isn't open to the public. That's my understanding how Curves is allowed to exist.

[–]xerxesgm 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep, not even just barber shops, but places of work as well. Such as The Wing).

[–]mewacketergi 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I read their Wikipedia entry, and I'm not sure what to think of them.

[–]lozinski 155 points156 points157 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Would someone please add this barbar shop to the map of organizations supoprting Men's Rights.

https://Rights.men

Are there any other male safe spaces out there?

[–]Destigeous 28 points29 points30 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

please dont do it without asking that barber shop. besides showing affiliation with men's rights will be interpreted as that barber shop is actually women-hating even though it is (probably) not true.

[–]lozinski 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed

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[–][deleted] 31 points32 points33 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There was as segment on this on The One Show (UK) a couple of days ago with a female celebrity very upset that she'd been turned away from a barber's. Apparently for women with short hairstyles, barbers do a better job - and of course it's not ridiculously over-priced like salons.

In a way I can sympathize as it's not nice to be excluded from a place because you want a certain type of service but you're a woman - though I can also understand that barbershops in a lot of places provide a vital community role for men to meet and talk openly.

I still think the policy should be set by the owner rather than legally enforced. Kinda reminds me of that lawsuit against a bakery that refused to decorate a cake for a gay wedding.

[–]hectorduenas86 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She can hire the barber to make a house call.

[+]Foolbish -40 points-39 points-38 points 6 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

Good. I always believed that business owners should have the right to choose their clientele.

only if there is some justification to it, because otherwise, that's a very dangerous slippery slope... I wouldn't be okay with a place that doesn't want to serve certain categories of people for no reason

[–]lonewolfhistory 14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

So your opposed to all the female or black only spaces then to right?

[–]Foolbish 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I don't like discrimination... but also don't like hypocrisy and double standards

again, there must be some kind of justification for refusing to serve one or more categories of people, especially minorities

That being said, "safe spaces" for women only works if the same people (mostly feminists and woke SJWs) are willing to accept men-only spaces too.

[–]lonewolfhistory 19 points20 points21 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Thing is that is one is allowed, then they must all be allowed. Otherwise there will be discrimination. Sadly I think that’s the only way that can work

[–]Foolbish 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I disagree, I think it can be evaluated in a case-by-case basis. There might be justification for men-only or women-only spaces, as long as there's reciprocity.

but it's clear that in an ideal world, I'd prefer that businesses serve every client without exception

[–]lonewolfhistory 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The problem lies in the question “who gets to decide?” If we let big daddy government decide then men will always get the short end of that stick. The case by case will always shut down male only spaces

[–]Foolbish -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

that's a larger problem there... we'd need governments at all levels who actually represent the will of the people, instead of the will of their donors and lobbies... but that would be another kind of discussion

but yeah, it's the role of government to enforce civil rights and fight against discrimination, that's what ended segregation

the problem is that the Supreme Court already decided that discrimination is okay if you are a Christian...

[–]lonewolfhistory 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No the Supreme Court reaffirmed his right to provide additional services only if he wants to. And is Muslims did the same thing they wouldn’t even have to go to the Supreme Court. Besides the baker case had him offering them a normal cake but refusing to decorate it in a way that violated his religion (part of the bill of rights).

[–]Harnisfechten 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think it can be evaluated in a case-by-case basis

it can't, and it shouldn't.

the right to freedom of assembly is important. government should get no say in who I choose to interact with or refuse to interact with.

[–]Richyccx 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

"No black people allowed." "No gay people allowed." "No men allowed." "No women allowed."

When does it stops?

[–]Jex117 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It stopped in the 90's - 00's, but for some reason segregation has become normalized across society, but from a "Progressive" stance this time.

[–]lesbefriendly 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

When the business alienates enough customers to go out of business.

Anti-discrimination laws should only apply to government funded businesses.

[–]immortalsperm 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn too many snowflakes don't get that, they're fucking retarded.

[–]scyth3s 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We want the white men to be able to come here and be white men without having to worry about what they say or what they talk about because there's a black man present.

[–]Foolbish -5 points-4 points-3 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I think a business owner that doesn't want to serve either gay people or people of color or other minorities would have a very hard time giving a good reason for it, other than maybe religious reasons, but then again, I'm an atheist and I think that believing in a magical man in the sky is ridiculous and immature.

[–]immortalsperm 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

But you do respect people who believe in religion don't you?

[–]Foolbish 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If they don't impose it on others? yes of course

[–]immortalsperm 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We don't wanna impose it on you bro, but a little respect to what i hold dear to my heart would be great, like i don't like when some people insult Jesus, i mean come on, we can debate, but refrain from insults at least when I'm there. If that makes sense.

[–]Harnisfechten 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it's not imposing religion on others to refuse to cater a gay wedding.

[–]PinkWhiteAndBlue -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Not people who use their religion to justify bigotry

[–]immortalsperm 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

How would people use religion to justify bigotry ?

What is wrong is wrong, can't be justified. I'm a devoted Christian and i respect atheists, in fact a lot of my friends are atheists and i enjoy our debates, never had a problem with them, but there was a couple of atheists that kept just insulting religion, calling followers "sheep" and insulting Jesus, well i didn't like that. As long as we are being civil, you can say anything, but don't insult what's dear to the person talking to you.

[–]My_Cousin_Mose 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm pretty sure we're hinting around homosexuality here. And lets be fair Christians as a whole havent been the best to the gay community (at least in past generations) but that is largely dying away. As society has grown to accept homosexuality so has the Christian community, or at we at least are far less likely to publicly attack it. You say whats wrong is wrong and cant be justified. I'd agree with that but we're all sinners and we all fall short of the bar Jesus set for us. I dont think its wrong to acknowledge a sin (simple acknowledgement is not judgement) but that business is between the sinner and God. The few gays I've met I try to treat like any other guy. I definitely agree that its really frustrating to be called a sheep or when people say they respect your beliefs and yet talk about God in such a condescending manner. Like referring to him as a "magical sky daddy" or similar things.

[–]immortalsperm 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm pretty sure we're hinting around homosexuality here.

Tbh i meant a lot of things, along with homosexuality. It's not about what was in the past, everything changed, people can almost do anything. Clearly we as Christians don't endorse/encourage or believe in homosexuality, that was and will always be a fact, but we don't attack it and that's the difference, I'm ok with it but if you ask me about how i feel, i will say i don't believe in it, it's really not so different than an atheist who is ok with religious people, but when asked he will say he doesn't believe in any of it, and ALL of us should be ok with that. Where the bigotry is, some people want one but not the other, which doesn't make sense, like someone earlier replied to me with "I'm ok with Christians if they don't force their religion on me" so i told him, well it goes both ways, you also shouldn't insult their beliefs or force homosexuality on them and he got furious. My problem with the woke culture, is actually they're the ones forcing homosexuality, adverts,parades, flyers, public scenes and the wide spread " you're sick if you don't accept homosexuality", this is forcing in it's finest fashion, i mean we don't hate/ attack it but that doesn't mean you can shove it in my face all day long then call me intolerant when i get upset.

definitely agree that its really frustrating to be called a sheep or when people say they respect your beliefs and yet talk about God in such a condescending manner. Like referring to him as a "magical sky daddy" or similar things.

I hear this almost everyday, the flying man, it's really disrespectful as they know how much it means to me, but the part that gets me is, when i tell them what i genuinely think about atheism without sweetening it,since they chose to be honest then they get "offended", i mean that's obvious double standards.

[+]Weetile -118 points-117 points-116 points 6 years ago* (81 children) | Copy Link

I always believed that business owners should have the right to choose their clientele

This isn't strictly true. It reminds me of the story when a gay couple went into a cake store to buy a wedding cake, and were refused service because of the owners religious beliefs.

EDIT: Apparently sharing a different belief to someone else is a valid excuse to mass downvote them

[–]fuck_ya_bud 24 points25 points26 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In this case the owner said that the gay couple could and was more than welcome to buy any cake that was already made, but refused to make a specific cake for them (art) which would be in support of a gay marriage.

 

So first off, they weren't refused outright.

 

Second, an artist should be able to choose what kind of art they want to do. If you go get a painting done, and you ask them to make a painting of two men having sex, and you want it to have giant letters that read out "i love gay sex", the artist should be allowed to say "no, i don't think I want to paint that, that's not my style."

 

The same thing applies here. And the artist says: "but you are more than welcome to buy any painting I've already painted."

[–]Sinsilenc 59 points60 points61 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

you do realize the gay couple loat that case because he would sell them a cake just not a custom cake.

[–]MittenMagick 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No, Colorado lost because the Supreme Court ruled that the CRC of Colorado was, in every way, shape, and form, completely biased against the cakeshop owner's religion. The SCotUS made no ruling on whether the law itself was unconstitutional. In fact, the opinion noted that Kennedy would have likely ruled in favor of Colorado had they acted with neutrality.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Had they acted with neutrality, it likely wouldn't have been brought up as a case at all.

[–]MittenMagick 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you mean "they would've acted in favor of Masterpiece Cakeshop", maybe.

If you mean "there wouldn't have been a religious discrimination case", I'm not sure I agree. A big part of the cakeshop's argument was that they weren't refused to do business with them, just that he wouldn't do a custom cake because of religious reasons.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Colorado wouldn't have filed a case at all... is what I meant

[–]immortalsperm 15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This ***

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[–]Azurenightsky 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

U have -9 points that isn't a lot of mass

Half hour later, -40, lol

[–]StelleBest 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol still don't count that as mass downvoted. At least -500

[–]TheKingWatson 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

-51

[–]MiffTheFox2 points 6 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I seem to recall something about people trying to get a Nazi-flag cake made to prove a point about this.

[–]StelleBest 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

From the homophobic baker? He is a huge asshole but I mean there's no law stating that you must accept every single person coming in. He's allowed to decline gay people but that means a lot of backlash towards his business so he's a complete dumbass

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[–]bastardbeard666 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Huh. Had no idea that had been looking for a no. So in other words they were looking for a story.

Much like teachers who work at religious schools then they come out and get fired. Big fucking surprise there! I just shake my head and BS like that. Should they get fired for being gay or something that goes against their belief? No they should be hired if their qualifications. But those aren’t the rules.

[–]lonewolfhistory 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

To be fair, I think you have to sign a contract saying you won’t do something against the religion in public

[–]Foolbish 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

celebrate their abomination

you think homosexual couples getting married is an abomination?

[+]Azurenightsky -9 points-8 points-7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's about control. It's about domination.

"She had never asked why it was right for her to be a slave to another’s desires, but not evil for them to enslave her. She was not contributing to the betterment of mankind, but was merely a servant to countless puling little tyrants. Evil was not one large entity, but a ceaseless torrent of small wrongs left unchallenged, until they festered into monsters."

“Evil is not one large entity, but a collection of countless, small depravities brought up from the muck by petty men. Many have traded the enrichment of vision for a gray fog of mediocrity--the fertile inspiration of striving and growth, for mindless stagnation and slow decay--the brave new ground of the attempt, for the timid quagmire of apathy. Many of you have traded freedom not even for a bowl of soup, but worse, for the spoken empty feelings of others who say that you deserve to have a full bowl of soup provided by someone else. Happiness, joy, accomplishment, achievement . . . are not finite commodities, to be divided up. Is a child’s laughter to be divided and allotted? No! Simply make more laughter! Every person’s life is theirs by right. An individual’s life can and must belong only to himself, not to any society or community, or he is then but a slave. No one can deny another person their right to their life, nor seize by force what is produced by someone else, because that is stealing their means to sustain their life. It is treason against mankind to hold a knife to a man’s throat and dictate how he must live his life. No society can be more important than the individuals who compose it, or else you ascribe supreme importance, not to man, but to any notion that strikes the fancy of the society, at a never-ending cost of lives. Reason and reality are the only means to just laws; mindless wishes, if given sovereignty, become deadly masters. Surrendering reason to faith in unreasonable men sanctions their use of force to enslave you--to murder you. You have the power to decide how you will live your life. Those mean, unreasonable little men are but cockroaches, if you say they are. They have no power to control you but that which you grant them!”

Faith of the Fallen, by Terry Goodkind, book 5 of the Sword of Truth series.

[–]vraskas 81 points82 points83 points 6 years ago (39 children) | Copy Link

as much as I think that the baker is a retarded unjustified asshole, I wholly believe they should have the right to choose who they serve.

[–]Weetile 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (38 children) | Copy Link

I'm not saying that I disagree, but when is the line crossed? Can a clothing store specifically refuse to let black people or Jews in because they have the right to choose who they serve?

[–]vraskas 39 points40 points41 points 6 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link

oh for sure. theyll have to suffer the boycotts and the protests towards themselves though, and thus the loss of customers, and thus the loss of business.

[–]immortalsperm 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are so many communistz in this sub mate, I'm shocked,, fucking retards want to enforce tyranny.

[–]Cheru-bae -4 points-3 points-2 points 6 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

And when it's against a group noone cares enough about to protest?

[–]NLHNTR[🍰] 15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Like men? We already have loads of female-only gyms and no one gives a fuck.

[+]Cheru-bae -9 points-8 points-7 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Are you okay with that or not? You seem to be arguing both now.

[–]GreatHate 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Huh? Your argument just broke down at every level.

Men aren't the ones who created safe spaces, his point is (obviously) if safe spaces are allowed to exist, men should be able to have them too. You shouldn't need a STEM degree to understand this...

[+]Cheru-bae -6 points-5 points-4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I do have a STEM degree. I'm a senior dev :)

Do you, each time someone complains that women get this and women get that, pipe in and say that it's fine? Those buisnesses will just lose profit and disappeare!

If that was the case, those whole sub would not exist.

[–]visual_account 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Then the business who doesn't discriminate will make more profit.

[–]Cheru-bae 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you assume perfect rationality and a society without prejudice. Except it doesn't really work out like that, now does it?

[–]visual_account 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually it does. Virtually every business will take your money, no matter what you are.

[–]scyth3s 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And all the nice businesses can sing kum ba yah. Get real, lol that's not how it would work out in large parts of the country.

[–]Regs2 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's super ignorant, and there are numerous instances in history that prove that false. Equal protection laws exists for because that's not true, like at all.

[–]vraskas 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

equal protection laws came about because people did not like how they were being treated (righfully) and formed coalitions to change that. This happens repeatedly throughout history. The government is really nothing more than a company itself, with then intent to protect people from eachother and from other states. What makes the goverment so special? Its just got lots of power. Thats about it.

[–]GreatHate -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You almost came full circle...

At least there is hope? Sigh

[+]Foolbish -7 points-6 points-5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

problem is: these business owners will find enough clients who either agree with them or don't care

we're talking about the United States after all

even Masterpiece Cakeshop is still in business, which is an aberration

[+]Weetile -9 points-8 points-7 points 6 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

That doesn't mean that there shouldn't be a law put in place though. Sure, we could get rid of the law to prosecute rapists because they already get massive public backlash, but they still need to be punished by the law in addition to society.

[–]immortalsperm 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Why do you want to punish someone for refusing to let you in for WHATEVER reason, you need to learn that private assets are PRIVATE.

[–]scyth3s -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

My stance on this is that a business is not a person. In protecting your personal assets by operating through a business asset (as opposed to personally selling things), you forfeit certain rights like the right to discriminate against certain types of people.

If you want to be able to discriminate, you don't get to operate a business, you just get to sell things as you, and you don't get the protections that a business entity offers.

[–]immortalsperm 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Nah this is tyranny, my business my rules.

Edit: Owners already do this, they just don't say NO to people for other reasons other than the real reason which could be WHATEVER.

[–]scyth3s -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

The protections of a business come with some loss of control. If you don't want that loss of control, you don't get those protections (most notably the separation of personal/business finances). That's not tyranny, you can still do what you want, you just don't get to hide behind a shield anymore.

[–]immortalsperm 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe your house, your rules, NO ONE, should force you to let someone in, or a service out. If you don't approve of it. I used to live in a country where some shops were muslims only, that never made me angry or resentful. Its the owner's right.

[–]DarthKrayt98 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Technically, yes. Private business owners should be able to run their business as they see fit. This does not, however, exempt them from angering the market with their bigotry that will lead to a significant decline in sales to the point where they close. If you don't like how a particular business is operated, then don't frequent it or spend money there; encourage others to do the same.

If someone showed me proof of a business refusing service to a particular ethnic group, I would never set foot in that business again. The issue here is where a line is crossed, but not by the business. Do you really trust the government enough to decide how businesses may conduct themselves? I sure don't.

[–]ElfmanLV 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The line draws when the money stops flowing in. It really is as simple as that for private businesses.

[–]Harnisfechten 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

they should have that right, actually.

they'd get boycotted, they'd be eliminating some of their potential customers, and it would just make the store next door that does serve black people/jews more competitive.

[–]Weetile 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, but there should still be legal repercussions on top of social/societal ones

[–]Harnisfechten 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

no that's the point.

they should have that right. a person has the right to choose who they interact/assemble/associate with. They should not be compelled by force of the law into associating with people against their will.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Can a clothing store specifically refuse to let black people or Jews

the baker is an artist. creating something custom.

a clothing store sells.... clothing. doesn't create anything.

got any better analogies?

now, answer me this,

IF the clothing store owner made the clothes, believed that abortion was wrong, and was asked to make a jacket with a likeness of aborted fetus as the jacket pockets, should they be forced to?

[–]bludstone 14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You do know that that was an outrage farming situation right? They called dozens of cake places until one of them said they would be happy to bake a cake but not cater the wedding and boom, national outrage.

[–]Juckas 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Not OP and I wouldn't do this as a business owner, but discriminating against your clientele like that is also stupid from a business standpoint. You're losing that client, plus any others who disagree with your discriminatory policies. That's the beauty of capitalism.

[–]Squeeze_My_Lemons 25 points26 points27 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But again, it’s their business, and they can do whatever they want with it

[–]Juckas -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

100%. They want to run a business poorly and go out of business, that's their prerogative.

[–]ChewDrebby 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

His business his choice. If a owner does 100% discount to his product that is HIS business and not anyone else to judge. If he wishes to decline a client (not even mentioning his belief)- his problem. So when you want to have a client or not have a specific client as a person it is going to be your choice and problem. Business is business and it is their personal shit either way.

If you discriminate a person cause of his belief (religious, moral, political etc.) then you are just as big asshole as the person who discriminates others (perfect loop) :D

Either parties discriminate people who have different point of view not only conservatives

[–]scyth3s -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This cake place would've been out of business already if this perfect world worked like that.

[–]CLxJames 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They drove past numerous bakeries and specifically went to one known to make Christian themed cakes and demanded they make one for their gay wedding

If you can’t connect the dots on this one then you are a few cards short of playing with a full deck

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

a gay couple went into a cake store to buy a wedding cake

yeah, and guess what, they were able to get a cake elsewhere.

also, the supreme court ruled in the baker's favor on that case.

that whole thing was a farce. same lines as this though, the women and libs want people to be forced to do things their way. or else.

[–]Harnisfechten 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yes and business owners should be under no legal obligation to be forced to serve ANYONE.

[+]Yuo_cna_Raed_Tihs -22 points-21 points-20 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

r/mensrights: we aren't a right leaning group!

Also r/mensrights: downvotes a comment that is pretty much only disagreed with by right leaning groups.

Nice.

[–]immortalsperm 14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What's your problem, some of us are right leaning, some are left leaning, but we all support men's rights. I'm sure you can find your way out, if you don't like that.

Why would lefties disagree with a person choosing who to cater for??

[–]2Manadeal2btw 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

if you want leftism go to menslib.

This place is fairly bipartisan.

[–]Yuo_cna_Raed_Tihs 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Menslib is disgusting so no thanks

[–]BuckeyeGuy8 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Since when has the left given two shits about men’s rights?

[–]lonewolfhistory 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Except he outright spewed misinformation and most disagreed with the point. This isn’t even a right v left argument as I know a whole lot of left leaning people who support freedom, even if they disagree with the baker. So it’s very obvious you are one of THOSE kind of liberals who think anyone that disagrees with you is a nazi

[–]Yuo_cna_Raed_Tihs -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I literally didn't mention Nazis, and don't call me a liberal.

And in the US, leftists support freedom but none support not selling/baking cakes for gay people. So it is mostly a left Vs right issue.

[–]lonewolfhistory 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Again, the left isn’t as united on that front as you think, neither is the right. This is really a pro v anti freedom debate.

[–]Harnisfechten 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

blaming the right for the fact that the left has been demonizing men for decades

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[–]drec6 17 points18 points19 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

The haircut place at the mall, probably. Barbers are a specialty shop, they have different certifications than a normal cosmetologist.

[–]kursdragon10 points 6 years ago [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

You think this is the only place to get your haircut? You don't think there's a single barbershop in their area that takes both sexes in?

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[–]kursdragon 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sure, I mean that's just anecdotal evidence. I've seen plenty of women at the barber I go to, so not sure what that really tells us.

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[–]kursdragon 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really sure as to what this tangent is supposed to tell me tbh. Also who is the "OP" you're referring to that is being upset? The guy who said that he doesn't know why women want to go to a barbershop anyways? I'm confused as to what your reply is even telling me.

[–]Wppvater 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Couldn't the dad take them then?

[–]big_ass_package 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They're already running around, but we have a different name for them...

[–]Minsc_and_Boo_ 29 points30 points31 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Havent there women-only businesses and gyms in the US for decades?

[–]phoenix335 112 points113 points114 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

1900s feminism: "You must allow women into schools and universities, it is unbearable to exclude half the population from education and opportunities of society. If this exclusion would be continued, the impact on the lives, rights and wealth of women would be enormous"

2020s feminism: "You must allow women into the last tiny men's only space that exist, the barbershop, despite women not being the customers and the impact on the lives, rights, wealth of women is non-existent."

[–]GCMythix 18 points19 points20 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

They invade, and destroy any male spaces if given the opportunity. They will not allow freedom of thought to flow between men without being vetted by the opinions of women. That is why places like red pill and MGTOW are hated so much. It is only toxic because it is the only place men can go to find out hard truths, and when someone has been lied to their entire life I can understand why they become toxic. Does that mean their behavior is excusable? No. It us just an explanation as to WHY they are viewed as toxic. Because women drive the narrative and when one breaks out of it they get angry.

[–]CLxJames 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

While I agree with your sentiment, it is unfortunate that places like MGTOW do tend to get invaded by people of pure women hating extremist ideals

[–]superhobo666 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I mean, with how femnism has been towards men since it's founding with the incredibly offensive white feather campaign, every single supporter of feminism rightly deserves to be hated.

[–]Cloudmarshal_ -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Absurd logic

“The way men have raped and oppressed women over the years, all men deserve to be hated”

[–]superhobo666 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a big difference between personal behavior, and using a group to systematically kneecap another group, and enact decades of sexist policy exclusively against them, including gender exclusive drafts.

Take that strawman and piss off with it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“The way men have raped and oppressed women over the years, all men deserve to be hated”

Except we're talking about feminism, an ideology women are free to CHOOSE. Not women as a group.

[–]GCMythix 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've actually seen more women hating on red pill subreddits rather than MGTOW. MGTOW are usually seem frustrated to me, not outright hateful. Though your experience might be different than mine.

[–]HNutz 35 points36 points37 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You think they see a problem with women-only gyms?

[–]BrandonCole84 93 points94 points95 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I don't think so this is too barbaric. Seems good for men who are fed up of being around the opposite gender.

[–]dirkslapmeharder 39 points40 points41 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Barberic you mean.

[–]s1500 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ha

[–]CLxJames 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe he thought the joke wouldn’t make the cut

[–]dirkslapmeharder 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Badum tsss

[–]scyth3s 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, it's definitely spelled barba... Wait

[+]Goofypoops -8 points-7 points-6 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

What are things they'd want to talk about that they'd be hesitant to in front of a woman? The only things I can think of that'd come to mind is trashy and crude stuff, which plenty of men don't partake in.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Plenty of men and women talk slightly crudely about the opposite gender, and would potentially be more comfortable talking with their own gender. Even non crude talk of women can be more comfortable with fellow men. Other than that, any sort of talk of the experiences of men? Relationships, what it's like being a man, advice etc? Imagine if a few men walked into a women's hairdresser. The women may be slightly less comfortable talking about certain subjects with them around, no? I wouldn't blame them.

[–]Goofypoops 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Relationships, what it's like being a man, advice etc? Imagine if a few men walked into a women's hairdresser. The women may be slightly less comfortable talking about certain subjects with them around, no? I wouldn't blame them.

I work in very female dominated area and they don't care at all. I've heard all sorts of stuff. In fact, they might be even more explicit just to tease me. I just wouldn't imagine myself feeling hesitant to talk about any of that in the vicinity of a woman. And I also don't find it appealing to locker room talk with other guys because it's trashy and unappealing, which a lot of men agree with. So again, I can't imagine whatever it is they want to talk about is very appealing and I'd probably get my haircut elsewhere.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not everyone is the same though. Again, some men may be more comfortable talking about their experiences as a man among men. There's a spectrum of 'crude' talk, and both men and women engage in it, women maybe even more so - e.g. talking about details of sex with their boyfriends. You don't know what those women would be talking about if no men were there. Plus, you say they talk very openly and maybe more explicitly to tease you - men would probably avoid this if there was a woman or two in a male dominated environment.

Btw you didn't deserve down-votes.

[–]xxdibxx 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Found the SPY!!

[–]superhobo666 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Some of the crudest shit about opposite sexes I've ever heard comes from women. Crude and perverted isn't a male only trait/behavior by a long shot.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One rule for thee, another for me!

Feminists are all over ensuring women have female-only spaces, but can't stand the idea of male-only spaces. Good for this barber shop.

[–]Gutotito 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

ABC Owned Stations reporting found no specific examples of women-only hair salons in New York City

Because they didn't want to. Even my city has one, and I live in Bumfuck, Tennessee.

[–]superhobo666 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They must not be good journalists, because a quick google search brought up multiple full lists of women only salons in Chicago.

[–]FatGimp 27 points28 points29 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

There was a barber in my town that had topless fridays, was a good barber until some blokes wife became a stick in the mud. And no they weren't hairy bastards topless, just the female variety.

[–]themolestedsliver 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Wait so women would cut your hair while topless? Never thought about it but that would be interesting.

[–]Hedhunta 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Youd have boobs in your face the whole time lol.. I mean that already happens at the hair cut places

[–]themolestedsliver 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I know i just never really put thought of the two in a combined sense. Also most of my barbers are male lol.

[–]NecroHexr 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i would pity the women... having ticklish hair all over their tits

[–]xCAPTAINxTEXASx 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey lady, it’s not meant to be cute. You were respectfully asked to leave because of a store’s policy, and any consumer driven business has a right to refuse service to anyone. You want equality? You have women’s only salons, we have men’s only barbershops. There’s your equality.

[–]MilManShow 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Lets all post up in the beauty shop. You know the Hen House.. Where get together to plot the crimes against men.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Church groups also are the same

[–]MilManShow 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes organized religion has turned into a money scheme

[–]RobBanana 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What the fuck? Aren't there women-only hairshops all around the world?

[–]FormedBoredom 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's endless women only spaces, but a fucking barber shop of all things just for men triggers these women?

[–]jinladen040 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Anyone know if there's actually any women's only salons as the article mentions they couldn't find any but I kind of feel like that isn't true because we are all aware of a few double standards between women and men.

[–]NekoiNemo 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean... Female-only establishments are a thing for awhile, and nobody seem to mind, so what's the issue here? Other than the obvious one: not wanting to give men any freedoms?

[–]fogoticus 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What I got from this: Women can have all the secrets they want while men should "behave".

[–]Mindraker 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I would take this as a business opportunity. I would team up with a local women's salon. The salon would provide advertisements and discounts for the men's barber shop, and vice versa.

Example: "Show this receipt at King's Kuts for $5 off of your husband's haircut."

[–]PlatinumBeetle 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That actually sounds like a healthy way to have separate spaces.

[–]Mindraker 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ferengi rule of acquisition:

"Stay neutral in conflict so that you can sell supplies to both sides."

[–]falls_asleep_reading 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The misandry of postmodern feminism will tell you that women need women's only spaces, but that men shouldn't be permitted to have male-only spaces because "men bad."

Apparently, sexism is okay when it's women being sexist.

[–]coats125 24 points25 points26 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

So minority groups can have "safe spaces" but males can't have one? There is literally a safe space room in my college student center right now.

[–]a59610 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

But women aren't a minority

[–]PlatinumBeetle 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's more complicated than that. At birth females are a slight minority. But by a certain age they are the slight majority among their peers because males die more often or sooner, for a combination of biological and sociological reasons, and this is reflected in the general population due to its age.

[–]a59610 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And when they are 18 years old in most countries they aren't minor anymore. But other countries it is 21 years old. It's so complicated.

[–]Kahmael 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's a 'men only' spa in denver. It's a gay spa for gay men, we found out when my g/f tried to book a slot for us.

[–]Plisken999 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So... Theres a women only gym next to my place.

Im pretty sure they wont let me in even if I am with a lady friend.

[–]ColomarOlivia 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m female and once I went to this waxing salon and there was a woman with her husband. I remember I felt kinda awkward when I had to inform the receptionist about what I had scheduled. “Yea yea, full vulva and perianal waxing!”, right next to a male stranger who was next to his wife. Also, other women didn’t seem very comfortable because gossiping and intimate subjects usually come up in beauty and waxing salons, including sex and men. Just as I enjoy a women-only place I don’t see anything wrong about men having the same right. Men also need privacy and time for their own. It’s almost like if being a man and wanting to feel comfortable and pampered was a crime or that men are/should be so tough and rough they can’t even have a need for feeling comfortable and pampered at all.

[–]just_chattinghidden 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I am a female and I was a hairstylist. I love this idea. I worked at great clips and we had a older couple the man was getting his hair cut. As he was telling me how he wanted it she would tell me to do it a different way. I cut it his way and she was telling me to cut more even though he liked the length. I eventually told her she would have to go to the waiting area only clients was allowed at the salon chairs she was mad but didn’t have a choice.

[–]Lethn 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just had this argument in the thread pointing out how easy it is in these sorts of situations for people to claim discrimination where there is none. I'm building a business myself and I totally feel for people stuck in these awkward situations because it's inevitably going to happen to me.

We have enough bullshit to deal with as it is in the games industry for example without every identity group under the son taking advantage of discrimination laws and playing the victim over being told no just because they want to be catered to in their own special way and I make silver jewellery as well so I don't want to make any kind of religious symbol for example. Well done by the way for standing up for yourself, this is exactly why I argue though that people shouldn't be passing laws to make it easier to attack businesses for deciding who they want as customers.

[–]CommitXylenePerverts 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Curves should be shut down. There are female only co-working cubicle rental clubs, as well.

[–]drmode2000 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And how many Women only places are there.

[–]rabel111 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is just another way that feminists are trying to silence men and control any dialogue about, around or arising from masculinity/maleness.

Being a control freak is not a human right. Being excluded from a barber shop doesn't disadvantage women. It's all about control and power, nasty minded feminists trying to force their ideology on men.

[–]-WolfChop- 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, I think it’s dumb af. But there are women only places so I don’t really see the problem even though I think it’s all dumb.

[–]Derek_Carr_is_Savior 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Man, Maliki Skowronski is kind of a cunt.

[–]Ihavenousefora 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"It's not cute, no matter how you describe it," she said. "It's not cute, you can't treat people that way."

What an entitled bitch.

[–]John238 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I would like them to get outraged over female only train carriages, that literally kicks out men.

[–]superhobo666 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean most of tthe coutries that have those are Islamic countries that have to have those so women don't get gangraped for daring to travel without a male chauffer/guardian as per Islamic law.

[–]Cloudmarshal_ 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They’re mostly known for being used in India and Japan, famously not Islamic countries.

[–]superhobo666 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

India and Japan are both famous for sex crimes in confined public spaces, especially India.

The absense of Islam isn't neccessary for a place to be a shithole, but there isn't an Islamic run country that isn't a shithole.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ABC tried way too hard to discredit and shame the barber shop owner in this article. Pretty pathetic if you ask me

[–]deanie1970 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't have a problem with that at ALL! My bf has a small engine repair shop and I already hear too much "guy talk" here! LOL

[–]500Rads 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Self segregation amazing how things change 😄

[–]MineDogger 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"The man kind of ignores my husband, directly approaches me and says, 'I'm sorry, but we have a strict no women policy. You can't be here,'" she told KFOR-TV.

So, would it have been better if they had approached the husband first like he was in charge of her?

"It's not cute, no matter how you describe it," she said. "It's not cute, you can't treat people that way."

So when women exclude men it is cute? I guess men don't count as "people."

[–]Jackson2615 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The owner of King's Kuts in Ponca City, about 100 miles north of Oklahoma City, said his barbershop has a strict no girlfriends or wives policy.

Yeah give this guy a medal !!! The women want their men free zones everywhere but as soon as men want some space to themselves the femin-nazi goes bonkers.

[–]rysic 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a barber shop, they shouldn't be in there anyway.

[–]Mr7FootCock 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Who the fuck takes their woman to the barber shop? I wouldn't go with her to watch her hair get shampooed

[–]KingKnotts -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean I have went with my GF for her to get her hair done. She also would go with me to the barber in the same situation. You just kill time on the phone or reading a book.

[–]Lethn 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You're pretty much admitting there that you're bored and would rather be anywhere else.

[–]KingKnotts 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really, it is no worse than going shopping to me. It isn't fun but it is hardly the end of the world and I can at least kill time while I wait. It isn't like she would actually care if I went somewhere else while she got her hair done.

[–]Michalusmichalus 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought the woman only places are to allow women that wear a head scarf to have services done.

[–]CoolMintMC 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, I say any place shouldn't have to forbid people from coming in, but like, maybe have a waiting room that is connected to an almost enclosed room with a large window, or whatnot.

All haircut places should have a designated waiting room if this is their goal.

Honestly though? It should be up to the patient to ask whomever to leave if they don't want them, not the fucking haircut place owner.

Oh, & if a patient comes in with a child of whatever gender, than the store owner should just tell them not to come in at all, or allow both, not pick & choose who can come in & who can't.

If it bothers them, then have a no-child policy then. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–]LateNightTestPattern 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Silly rabbit. With the constantly dyed purple or red hair so everyone knows how she is an individual. It's exactly that type of woman who would bitch. Dude should do himself a favor now & GTFO of that relationship.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It’s within their right to refuse business to anyone, it’s also within the right of the customer to complain.

I think men are going to be fine with this, it depends on their Karen’s.

The fact this even made it to the news, hopefully the ship got some exposure out of it.

[–]KingKnotts -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

A business cannot discriminate against protected classes just because they feel like it.

Social clubs can because freedom of association (female only gyms use this basis), hair places do not need to change their styles but cannot simply discriminate against sex. However, some states do have separate certificates/liscenses for each sex when it comes to hair.

Basically boiling down to tomboys can go to a barber and drag queens can go to a hair salon.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

All business have the right to refuse patronage, you can be brought up to Better Business beau, but ultimately it’s negative press that they can attack with.

This is why private establishments can exist and are not shutdown.

[–]KingKnotts -4 points-3 points-2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You do not have the right to refuse service on the basis of protected characteristics. There literally are a bunch of federal laws as well as laws in every state prohibiting it.

You have no fucking clue what you are talking about.

Exceptions are specific such as why social clubs can discriminate. Your local burger joint cannot refuse to serve blacks.

You cannot require someone provide services they normally do not however. If you provide crewcuts and a woman asks for a crewcuts you cannot refuse to do so on the basis you do not serve women. You can refuse to style a woman's hair any differently than you already do for men.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It has to be based on direct discrimination, in this case (as was the case with the cake/pastry shop that refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple) it is part of their company ethos and within their right as a small business owner to REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE.

Again, the risk is if the practice is based on legitimate and unwarranted discrimination. In this case, I doubt a local court is going to rule they are acting in malicious fashion.

Is it inconvenient, potentially harmful, and stupid absolutely... but it is not illegal, and ABC and this stupid dumb fuck Karen should have known better and not run this story.

Disagree with me all you want, but you’re welcome to explain why small business owners have the fucking sign up if they can’t do it and it’s illegal.

[–]KingKnotts 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The cake shop was an actual argument of freedom to practice his religion and against compelled speech. A company does not have the right to discriminate against protected characteristics simply because they want to. A barber shop is open to the public, social clubs are allowed to discriminate barber shops are not.

Places like barber shops however do not have to change the types of services they provide. If a woman comes in wanting a crew cut he would have to do so provided he offers crew cuts to men.


As for the sign that is easy to explain having the sign isn't illegal, enforcing the sign can be. Seriously fucking google it if you don't believe me. The same thing applies with void if removed stickers. They aren't legally enforceable. A company can refuse service, for legitimate reasons. A company cannot legally refuse to serve blacks.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit you win jesus, I agree stupid world with stupid women in it.

[–]NecroHexr 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://i.snipboard.io/nyJ7ES.jpg

guy sounds a bit batshit insane

[–]zjchlorp101 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They should do this at the men's section in shopping mall. As a single man it's hard to shop when the wives/girlfriends in the middle of the way.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean. I'll talk about w.e I want to talk about regardless of who is present

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bruh any place that's not a toilet or changing room should be open to all genders. If this were reversed this entire sub would lose its shit.

[–]Lucretius 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And we're back to step 1!

[+][deleted] -14 points-13 points-12 points 6 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

I dont think there should be a space with only one race or gender. Even women. I think it's wrong tbh.

[–]lonewolfhistory 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While I respectfully disagree with you, you shouldn’t be downvoted. Unlike the lunatics in the article, your at least consistent in this

[–]IllumiNoEye_Gaming 14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes you need that space to get away from it all though. That's why walking out of a noisy classroom is so relaxing.

[+][deleted] -10 points-9 points-8 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, I understand that but forcing a woman to leave (or a man) because its a man-free or woman-free zone. If you want an alone space get a group therapist with boys, but a public space should not be any gender or race specific

[–]IllumiNoEye_Gaming 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But it isn't a public space. It is and everyone there know it is a male-only zone. All locations have the right to withhold service. The repercussions will be faced but nothing legally can be done, and some people will prefer that. Also, many don't like the idea of a (group) therapist. And sometimes, you need a level of casual intimacy like you'd have with a barber who you've visited multiple times, not something so intense like a therapist

[+]Blunt_Sage -6 points-5 points-4 points 6 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

You can't compare race and gender. Race is a social construct (ie we're all the same species, therefore we're all the same). Gender is an actual difference beyond learned culture; men and women have anatomically different bodies, different physical needs, and different priorities regarding interacting with others.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

ie we're all the same species, therefore we're all the same

Eh... you don't notice that the NBA has a distinct racial makeup?

We aren't "all the same", but we're "close enough".

[–]Blunt_Sage -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you take any group of people and only breed the biggest and strongest of them to work for you for 5 generations you're gonna end up with some pro athletes. That's not race, that's eugenics.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So explain why that's only true with certain races?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Race isn’t a social construct lmao. But it’s ok, the brainwashing is expected.

Learn about natural selection, divergent evolution, genetic predispositions, the resulting physical and psychological differences, etc.

[–]Blunt_Sage -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Not brainwashing at all. Just very common knowledge.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_categorization)

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“Common knowledge”.

Academia is in the hands of the egalitarian globalists, yet you think a Wikipedia article means anything?

Controversial science is censored and defunded. The process of evolution taking place over hundreds of thousands of years is going to have more differences than easily noticeable phenotypic traits.

(((Modern scholarship))) is leftist propaganda.

[–]WikiTextBot 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Race (human categorization)

A race is a grouping of humans based on shared physical or social qualities into categories generally viewed as distinct by society. The term was first used to refer to speakers of a common language and then to denote national affiliations. By the 17th century the term began to refer to physical (phenotypical) traits. Modern scholarship regards race as a social construct, an identity which is assigned based on rules made by society.


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[+]themolestedsliver -9 points-8 points-7 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

You can't compare race and gender. Race is a social construct (ie we're all the same species, therefore we're all the same). Gender is an actual difference beyond learned culture; men and women have anatomically different bodies, different physical needs, and different priorities regarding interacting with others.

You are conflating sex and gender here.

Gender is the learned culture for men and women, whilst Sex references to the biological difference.

So I dont mind someone having a different gender identity despite being a man let's say, but we shouldn't ignore biological facts.

[–]YouAreNotFunnyLoser 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Lol, no.

[–]themolestedsliver -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Great argument

[–]YouAreNotFunnyLoser -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You don’t need to argue when somebody is so obviously wrong. It’s like you’re saying “well colour is a construct so actually red can be blue if you want it to.” No. Red is red. Blue is blue. Sure, some people are colourblind, but that doesn’t change science.

[–]themolestedsliver -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You don’t need to argue when somebody is so obviously wrong.

If I am "obviously wrong" why can't you prove it aside from arrogantly saying so?

It’s like you’re saying “well colour is a construct so actually red can be blue if you want it to.” No. Red is red. Blue is blue. Sure, some people are colourblind, but that doesn’t change science.

...No? If you actually read my comment you would see that i made a distinction.

If we were to use your analogy and actually apply it to my argument instead of this bullshit straw man it would be like this.

The color red is indisputable (Sex is a biological fact)

Thinking red is a bad color or your favorite color is preference/what you identify with (gender being a construct).

If you look back in history it is very obviously at play in a lot of ways. The gender role for women was to get married and raise children whilst the gender role for men was to father children and be successful by working/inventing/going to war/etc. That gender role is changing and evolving to something more independent for women which proves that what culture perceives of gender is subject to change.

No one (at least me in this argument) is saying biological differences are not relevant, but arrogantly conflating sex and gender in order to be offended is hardly a defensible argument.

[–]YouAreNotFunnyLoser 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hope she sees this bro

[–]themolestedsliver -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Hope she sees this bro

Jeez, what a disgustingly arrogant way to dismiss my argument. This shit is why members of this sub are so stereotyped.

edit- assuming my opinion (because it differs from yours) has to inspired by me trying to get a girl or get laid is pretty fucking sexist towards guys......this is r/mensrights you realize?

[–]PlatinumBeetle -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Color actually is a social construct though. Or more precisely the divisions between colors are socially constructed. That's why different cultures or even the same culture across centuries can have different lists of colors and view the same object as different colors. It's why women, who sort of have their own subculture (ie gender), see more colors than men. It's not that what is being seen is different, men have eyesight just as good. It is a difference in the way the colors are being counted. We see the same wavelengths of light but count them as different colors.

[+]xMoody -14 points-13 points-12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

because you're not an incel

[+]jlevy1126 -13 points-12 points-11 points 6 years ago (45 children) | Copy Link

I don't like segregation, it's wrong when women only locations exclude men so it's wrong when men only places exclude men.

Do you like that there are women only gyms a d salons? I don't. Why would I support this.

[–]immortalsperm 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Men and women are different, plus it's his shop, his rules, just like female places, her rules. If you dont like it, look for someplace else.

[+]jlevy1126 -7 points-6 points-5 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Or make discrimination based on sex illegal. What's the difference between race and sex in this context?

[–]Mythe0ry -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (42 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand why you'd be downvoted for being against segregation...

[–]jlevy1126 -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (41 children) | Copy Link

You'd think people would learn from history, separate but equal is impossible but history is hard, you have to red and stuff.

[+]Mythe0ry -16 points-15 points-14 points 6 years ago (40 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. This particular thread feels a little racist.

[–][deleted] 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Mythe0ry 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe a poor word choice, but this particular thread is downvoting into oblivion anything that suggests that excluding customers based on gender could lead to a slippery slope - doesn't that call to mind some very familiar situations? Yeah, I agree there shouldn't be legal support for female only places, as I would be for women-only places and so on... because then in pops segregation and we're all left wondering how it happened.

[–]immortalsperm 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago* (35 children) | Copy Link

No i think you're the racist one here, you should understand that people who own stuff have the full right to let WHOEVER they want in or out. Your house, your rules and if you're gonna get offended, so be it.

[–]jlevy1126 -4 points-3 points-2 points 6 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link

You are why we need the ERA amendment.

If you own a business you should never be allowed to discriminate by sex.

[–]Lethn 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago* (20 children) | Copy Link

You are the exact sort of person that would say that then screech when women only clubs and groups get successfully sued due to the laws you want to introduce.

[–]jlevy1126 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

If you think then what I'm saying has not made it to your brain. Read what I said again. No company should ever be able to discriminate based in sex or gender.

[–]Lethn 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Including feminist organisations?

[–]jlevy1126 -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Yes. Why should any organization be allowed to descriminate based on biology?

If you are okay with the barbershop doing it you should be okay with anyone doing it. I'm against anyone doing it. That's what equality means, equal opportunity regardless of biological characteristics.

[–]immortalsperm 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

You are sick mate, if you can't fathom the fact, that you have full control over your assets. Your car is YOURS, NO ONE can force you to drive anyone against your will. It's a free country, if you don't understand that, you have no place.

[–]jlevy1126 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

If you run a business you should not be allowed to discriminate based in sex or race. Give me a reason that discriminating against sex that is not equally applicable to race, and then tell me why it's okay to encourage it.

This concept has already been through the supreme Court. It's why separate but equal was shot down.

[–]immortalsperm 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

It will never pass. PRIVATE business is fucking private, why don't you understand that, race/sex/religeon it doesn't matter, if you merely dislike someone for his hairstyle, you have full control to say NO,it's your goddamn assets, your profit and your LOSS. You wanna boycott, go ahead .... but you should NEVER dictate who an owner can or can't appoint.

Edit: also, in my own business, i can choose to appoint family members only in executive roles even if they're not good enough, you know why ? It's MY loss if their incompetent not YOURS.

[–]jlevy1126 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

PRIVATE business is fucking private

And it is already against the law to discriminate, even with privately owned places, on the basis of race, color, religion or national origin.

We should add to that like sex and gender. Why should you be allowed to discriminate based on sex but not race? Made a case for why one should be allowed but the other not.

if you merely dislike someone for his hairstyle, you have full control to say

Sure nothing wrong with that.

but you should NEVER dictate who an owner can or can't appoint.

But we do, and for good reason. learn from history to discern why.

[+]Mythe0ry -7 points-6 points-5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh, I thought I was commenting on all the negative karma I saw on any post that alluded to how difficult it is to maintain equal rights via qualified separation. I didn't think that made my comment racist.

[–]immortalsperm 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're the one who brought racism, bro.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because not every person is the same.

Stereotypes exist for a reason.

Men and women think, act, and respond to things differently.

no sane person would go to a womens beauty salon and demand to get their balls waxed.

same with the other way around, why would a sane woman go to a mens barber shop? when there are beauty salons available everywhere?

just attention seeking behavior.

[+]MediaMotifs -28 points-27 points-26 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I know this is probably going to be downvoted but this is a case where I disagree with this subreddit. If there was a "woman-only" shop then people here wouldn't be so happy.

[–]ToyGunTerrorist 41 points42 points43 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Already exist. Stuff like women-only gyms are already a thing.

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points32 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There is women only safe spaces, these guys are pointing out the hypocrisy.

[+]MediaMotifs -19 points-18 points-17 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly, and many of them turn up on this subreddit with people criticizing it.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But not because there are women only spaces.But because the opposite is shut down.

[+]subud123 -10 points-9 points-8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wanted to make the same point.

[+]Alphanumeric88 -51 points-50 points-49 points 6 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

What about like a single mom with a son whose closest shop is this one?

[–]Catcrumble 50 points51 points52 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Then the son will learn an important lesson from the men in his community.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"We must have our hairs cut away from prying eyes of females. Learn well young man"

[–]GingkathFox 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

young padawan

ftfy

[–]Catcrumble -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was thinking more like induction into either the Aftershave or Cologne factions :)

[–]Lion_amongst_gods 29 points30 points31 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

  1. Request the barber for entry. The decision is the barber's.

  2. Tell the barber the style of haircut needed, and wait outside (just like a single dad with a daughter would had the genders been reversed).

  3. Go to a different barber.

[+]Alphanumeric88 -33 points-32 points-31 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Go to a different barber

Lol

[–]Lion_amongst_gods 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't get the joke. Is it illegal in that town to have 2 barbershops? Is it a monopoly?

[–]Fm1055 33 points34 points35 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Go to a different one

[–]elebrin 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Look, if the kid is old enough to actually need a haircut that isn't just done with a razor or a vacuum attachment, then he is old enough to be given the cash and allowed to walk there or be dropped off and Mom can pick him up a little while later.

And where does Mom get her hair done anyways? Chances are her stylist would be MORE than happy to cut a little boy's hair when Mom is in for her appointment. That's what my Mom did until I was out of elementary school, and I liked it because her stylist also worked at the barbershop up the road a few days a week too and knew how to do a boy's cut that looked good on me.

When I was 11 or 12 and wanting to go to the barbershop instead of with my Mom, she'd drop me off and I actually got my hair cut by the exact same person but at a different location. I learned how to pay for services politely and how to tip and not be awkward about it.

Then again I grew up without a father because of untimely death rather than divorce, my Mom wanted me to have positive male influence in my life, and she'd been responsible for looking after her two younger brothers growing up so she was used to dealing with little boys.

[–][deleted] 6 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]elebrin 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

my mom and dad told me back then to not answer the doors, phone calls or the intercom

Heck, when I was 10 or so, I was expected to be able to answer the phone. Our phone rang a LOT because my Mom was very active in various groups, and she didn't have the time to answer the phone herself when she was working on something.

By that age, I was expected to answer the phone by the second or third ring, get the name of the caller first, then give my name and introduce myself, then ask who they wanted to speak with and what they needed to speak about, inform them politely that the person they wanted to speak to was busy but I could go get them or leave a note, then either politely get the person in question or leave legible, handwritten note with the name, callback number, what they wanted, and the best time to call back. If there were messages on the machine when my Mom came home and she knew I'd been in all day, she'd be PISSED.

At 14, it was expected that I would be out doing something. I wasn't allowed to sit at home all day and do nothing, play video games, read, whatever. If I was at home doing nothing, my Mom gave me work to do. If I wanted to have fun or do something, I was going to have to go to someone else's house, ride around the neighborhood on my bike, go to the library, that sort of thing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was raised half proper half fucked up way. I was allowed by my mom to sit around and play video games and shit but she also asked me to do chores, clean room, make food, do homework etc. Also my parents are deaf so I was the only one answering phone calls naturally but mom told me not to answer when they were absent (dunno why, scared of someone knowing I was alone at the moment? Didn't think much of it) but when I was 10 or so I started doing what you did but still didn't open doors for strangers. I usually sneaked and looked through that small tube glass (don't know the name for it) then tell them later who was it.

[–]RinonDragonsbane 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This. This is exactly why researchers have found that teenagers brains are all fully developed, except for the pre-frontal cortex i.e. the decision making center. Because they're treated like 4 year olds with no responsibility whatsoever. So they don't learn to make decisions properly until they're in their 30s.

[+]Alphanumeric88 -6 points-5 points-4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

How did he die?

[–]elebrin 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

His own damned foolishness.

He refused to listen to his doctor and stop smoking, drinking, and overeating. He'd had heart disease headed his direction for a decade before he had the heart attack that killed him.

Don't get me wrong, he was a good man and a man I respect and look up to. But he had his flaws that I've done my best not to repeat. I don't smoke, I don't drink (ever), I keep my diet as well as I can, I do my best to keep in shape, and I visit the doctor and do every little thing they suggest and even solicit more stuff that I can do to better my health on the regular. I am doing my best to learn from the mistakes that caused his death.

[–]Alphanumeric88 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well there's a good silver lining

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Looks she‘ll have to take a 30 minute break from making her son feel bad about his sex.

Oh the horror.

[–]Harnisfechten 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

she can drop him off?

[–]Alphanumeric88 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

hmmm

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

There was a bike shop in Calgary that didn’t allow men on one day of the week and this sub lost its mind. But now for some reason this sub is all for this. For a sub that loves (rightfully) to point out double standards, it sure is blind to it’s own

[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I love how you think that two individual users making two different topics with two different opinions represents a whole sub of over 250,000 people. I say this about feminists by the way, I judge them on their consistent patterns rather than what one or two obvious crazies post.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

I am not talking of two individuals. I am talking about every top rated comment in this thread vs every top rated comment in the thread regarding the bike shop. For the record, I thought excluding straight men from the bike shop was ridiculous.

[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You do know how activity algorithm's work right? People may not necessarily agree with the content but they upvote it for the sake of starting a conversation. You come across as somebody who seems to think that upvotes automatically equal agreement.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The fuck are you talking about? An upvote by and large means agreement and/or finding something entertaining in the comment.

[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No it doesn't, an upvote doesn't mean anything beyond spiking the activity. Somebody could very easily swamp any thread they like on reddit with upvotes even if it's absolute cancer and it would bump up in the activity feed in fact I'm pretty sure people brigade subreddits with this in mind.

The idea that someone upvoting something means they agree with it at all is ridiculous. In fact precisely because of this logic I have encouraged users here in the past to upvote topics and posts that they disagree with so it gets more exposure as a tactic.

Not my fault you don't know what you're talking about, the upvote and downvote system is a completely arbitrary number. For example I go out of my way to upvote topics like this because I know for a fact it will get people like you to come out of the woodwork and hilariously whine about it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Mate you're a fucking spanner. People upvote and downvote comments based on their reaction to it. for fucking example my initial comment has -1 because you and someone else downvoted it...because you disagreed with it. It ain't fucking rocket surgery. Several times I have said comments get upvoted, you seem to be talking about posts for some reason.

[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Switched my downvote from an upvote for you just to prove my point, you don't know what you're talking about. While it's true that initially that's what the upvote and downvote system is designed for the number is completely arbitrary and responds only to your clicks. Have you ever taken five seconds to consider that I'm a programmer and I might know what I'm talking about when it comes to this?

Just because I write a number for people to click on that says "themidlifebikesis is a massive cunt, click if you agree" doesn't mean that is actually what the number represents. It is an arbitrary definition given to the number by the human being. At the end of the day it is just a number and only has a meaning that we give to it, the reality is that it's just a random number that registers the amount of clicks given to it and anyone can fuck with it how they please.

I had to explain this concept to people who didn't know what bullshit the concept of 'AI searching for hate speech' was and they hadn't realised that all these algorithms were doing is looking for specific keywords and it was the researchers trying to apply meaning to them and that the AI wasn't actually capable of discerning what isn't and isn't hate speech.

You're a fucking idiot who's pretending to know more about something than you actually do. At least the people I was talking to about the hate speech keywords were earnest about wanting to learn about it. You're just talking out of your arse and lashing out at me for not playing along with you, stop spreading misinformation for the sake of trying to smear this sub.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow......you may actually be clinically retarded. Good luck to you buds

[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You started a fight and now you're scurrying off like a moron, that's pathetic.

[+][deleted] -7 points-6 points-5 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I support the principle of being allowed to let in or refuse whoever you want to for whatever reason in a private establishment, but not allowing women inside seems a bit over the top

[–]McFeely_Smackup 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think you understand what "I support the principle" means.

[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's hope someone introduces you to logic

[+]timeforknowledge -83 points-82 points-81 points 6 years ago* (71 children) | Copy Link

Lol what exactly would you talk about in a hairdresser that can you not say in front of a woman?

Edit: lots of downvotes yet no one has the balls say why this is needed.

Men only groups are needed, places where issues facing men like medical conditions that only affect men can be openly discussed and everyone can relate. Or issues like children and metal health.

But implementing that at a hairdresser is stupid.

1) most never talk any more than standard how are you.

2) cab any one here admit they refraim from talking to Barber of a woman is near by?

3) I've never had a haircut where everyone in the room wasn't sitting in silence or talking to their hairdresser.

4) I'm there to have my hair cut only takes 15 minutes I don't have time to talk about heavy issues like that. 15 minutes in that setting is no where near enough time to discuss serious subjects.

5) the idea of a woman stopping a private conversation between two people is stupid.

This makes men look like they want a space to discuss topics that would offend women which makes us look like sexist dicks

[–]paleta62 15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The reasoning was kinda dumb but he has all the rights to have a man only area. It's the same with women only gyms. What are they gonna talk about that men can't be inside that gym?

[–]Home--Builder 31 points32 points33 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The world don't revolve around what you do at the barber. Forced association is tyranny.

[+]E-werd -16 points-15 points-14 points 6 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Forced association is tyranny.

By the same logic, what about forced disassociation?

EDIT: Downvote party on an honest question. You all suck and you should feel bad about it.

[–]Home--Builder 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Depends on who is doing the forcing.

[–]superhobo666 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Forced disassociation isn't tyranny because you do not have the right to force yourself on me socially. Go away.

[–]elebrin 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Lol what exactly would you talk about in a hairdresser that can you not say in front of a woman?

I go to an old fashioned barber, not a hairdresser. It's a totally different set of skills. Hairdressers do not learn how to straight shave as far as I know, and my barber always cleans up my neck and beard with a straight razor for me. My barber can do a full straight shave as well, which I have never have done but have considered. They also don't generally use electric razors as much and stick to scissors, and they do more traditional cuts instead of the modern weird stuff you see now.

I'm not given to talking to by barber, but a lot of men are. Especially men who have been going to the same barber for a while. I know my Dad went to the same guy every two weeks for as long as he lived in the same spot. They weren't just tied by business, but they were also friends and they could talk as friends. Much of the time they would talk about their wives, families, and work. You can be very honest when you are talking to people who simply don't have a stake in what you are talking about. If you tell your wife about your struggles at work, then she is going to look at you as a complainer. If you tell a co-worker, then your boss will find out and that will be it for you. If you tell your barber or your bartender, it stays with them because chances are they aren't even listening... unless there are women around who have sharp ears and will immediately text your wife or girlfriend what you said because "she deserves to know." And, honestly, for a lot of guys, those are the only people they see in a given week: co-workers, family, and a few service professionals.

[+]timeforknowledge -6 points-5 points-4 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Ok I see what you're saying but I still don't understand.

I don't understand this concept of discussing something private in a public place where a woman over hearing would be more embarrassing then a man overhearing it...

I don't understand this concept of a random woman listening intently to your entire conversation, knowing you are married, knows your wife, knows her number, and texts her the negative things you have been saying about her....

I am not saying men do not need men only places

I am saying no one actually needs this. Because no one needs this we as men cannot justify this action.

No one here talks to their Barber in a way that would upset a woman.

People here are salty because they just want a men only area just got the hell of it which make our movement look stupid.

[–]elebrin 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

OK. So NEED may not be the right word. Maybe it's a want. I know I want somewhere I can go to be around men only.

I don't understand this concept of a random woman listening intently to your entire conversation, knowing you are married, knows your wife, knows her number, and texts her the negative things you have been saying about her....

Look man, we live in a community. Unless you are one of those people who never interact with anyone and buy everything on Amazon and never go out, communities are made of people in a small geographical region. Even when I lived in a larger city, the people in my community knew who I was (maybe not all of them, but enough of them) because I interact with those people on a daily basis. Hell, I do my best to get to know them over time too! It's also the same people at your church, your kids school, the local pool, the Lodge (for me anyways), any service organizations you work with, and all of that. Unless you don't really interact with your community, but hey, that's your thing.

I mean, come on. The cook at the local diner has been cooking my breakfast every Saturday (with exceptions) for the last two years. I damn well better know his name. Same with the guys at the comics and games shop I hang out at, and all of these places see me in there with my girlfriend. And you know what? They know each other, too! Imagine that! It's a community! And people talk, gossip, and whatever else.

It's the guys who can keep their damned mouth shut, but it's the women who ensure your girlfriend or wife knows EVERYTHING that comes out of your face. If I say something to the guy who sells me GBA games about my GF complaining about how much I spend on games, then it stays with him. If one of the ladies over at the D&D table hears me saying that, then my GF is getting a text 15 minutes later about me buying a game and badmouthing her, and she will do it with a smirk. You get the idea.

[–]timeforknowledge -5 points-4 points-3 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

No I don't get the idea. That's a relationship issue you should discuss with your gf it's your disposable income you should be free to spend it as you see fit.

And we are not talking about that we are taking about a barbers shop. You know the kinda place where we make small talk or no talk...

The issue here is that it's a business and it is saying because you are a woman I will not cut your hair. Which for what ever logical reason you have is still sexist and illegal.

[–]elebrin 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The issue here is that it's a business and it is saying because you are a woman I will not cut your hair. Which for what ever logical reason you have is still sexist and illegal.

If that is your only argument, then I would say that a business should be allowed to refuse any customer they want, for any reason. Freedom of association, and all that. I would argue that any law that says otherwise is morally corrupt, and I'm not all that worried about respecting it.

[–]timeforknowledge 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Seriously you would prefer a system that allows business to openly discriminate?

You don't support my political party? You're barred from my pub.

Drunk after a night out and you come in to my take away? Nope sorry I don't serve drunks you're banned.

Your car is under 2L engine? sorry this petrol stations is for proper cars only.

There is even the gay baker case in the UK. A baker refused to make a gay wedding cake because they did not believe in gay marriage I think that's fair their are hundreds of other choices and this goes against their religion, but the gay couple took them to court and won the baker took the case to the high court and again lost.

You will not win a legal case for discrimination in the UK.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No, but I think an exception should be made for gender in gendered spaces. Even if it's just for certain barber shops and . The fact is many men are more comfortable talking about certain things in men's spaces, and I think that's a good enough reason for them to have those spaces. The same goes for women. Many barbers and women's hair dressers are de facto segregated anyway, I don't see the issue.

[–]timeforknowledge -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think I've given the impression spaces should not exist. I'm just saying we are crossing line by saying I'm withholding business from you because of your gender.

That is feminist territory of no logic but rather punish and segregate the other Gender.

We shouldn't lower ourselves to that.

[–]RinonDragonsbane 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Mate you seem to think the only reason to have a men's only barber is so we can discuss things we don't want to say in front of women. How about I just want half an hour to an hour without hearing a woman prattle on about nonsense I don't care about?

And yes, I seriously would prefer a system that allows businesses to decide for themselves who they don't want to serve. Because the moment you let government have control over business is the moment you agree to tyranny. End of story.

For example, here in Australia, our "government" has passed laws requiring our ISP's to block websites they don't want us to access, such as torrenting sites.

Now, bear in mind, not all torrenting sites have copyrighted material on them, some are used by indie artists to promote their stuff without someone taking a lion share of their profits.

Yet, we are to be treated like children being told what we can and can't look at online (can you say China?). Now, I do believe criminal websites i.e. human trafficking etc. should be shut down. But regular people won't use these sites anyway and criminals will use them in spite of the law.

People ask "where do you draw the line?" I ask the same question about giving government control of businesses. Where do you draw the line? How much of your business should they control in your mind?

Good people don't need laws and criminals will break them anyway.

EDIT: Oh and since you kept asking others what it is they might talk about? Some men don't like to use coarse language around women, but they don't mind throwing in some choice words when they're talking to a mate, who might just happen to be their barber!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean, that's fair, they don't actually need it, but they want it. There's nothing to be lost with this, plenty of hair dressers are women-only.

[–]timeforknowledge -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nothing to be lost?

It's illegal in the UK to discriminate based on gender and are entire movement will be branded sexist and discriminatory.

The best thing about men's movement is it's based solely on logic unlike radical feminism that seeks to punish men and boys.

Telling women you can only shop at these places is negative and wrong.

I doubt men with long hair who wish to get it styled at a fancy hairdresser and pay £60+ will be told they cannot enter.

But this is a serious issue for women who keep hair shorter than ours they are being forced to pay stupid prices.

Why punish them? They are so rare I bet no one on here has ever seen a girl in the barbers...

[–]RinonDragonsbane 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

You're acting like this is all barber shops and all hairdressers. Give me a break snowflake. If a shop refuses you service, there's probably one right next door offering the same service for the roughly the same price. It's called competition.

You can't seriously expect me to believe that if

men with long hair who wish to get it styled at a fancy hairdresser and pay £60+

get turned away from one hairdresser they won't just find another one. Don't be ridiculous. And where are all these women who desperately want to use the barber but get turned away from every single one? Surely there are barbers who do serve women.

Try being a little more realistic if you want to be taken seriously bud.

EDIT: BTW ever heard "No shirt, no shoes, no service?" Yea. Discriminating against shirtless, shoeless people.

[–]swansong19 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Men only groups are needed

As long as we discuss topics approved by women

like medical conditions that only affect men can be openly discussed and everyone can relate. Or issues like children and metal health.

[+]timeforknowledge -7 points-6 points-5 points 6 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

No those are topics men should be discussing but choose not to.

Until today I never realised we men talk to our barbers about women's tits and how hot X woman is.

Is that your topic of conversation at the barber?

[–]swansong19 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Nice deflection towards something I never even hinted at...and away from your attempt to dictate what men should be discussing in their own spaces.

[+]timeforknowledge -6 points-5 points-4 points 6 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Because your making us look like jackasses / sexist.

We don't need men only barbers we need private men only spaces where men can discuss what ever they want with each other.

1) no one says anything to their Barber they wouldn't mind a woman overhearing

2) 1 on 1 conversation with a barber is not the same as a space for a group of men to talk.

This is no different to having a men only pub even though we could sit in pub and talk and no one would over hear us you would still want it men only just to make a stupid point that the things your discussing may offend a woman.

[–]swansong19 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link

We don't need men only barbers we need private men only spaces where men can discuss what ever they want with each other

And the reason that can't include a barbershop is...? Your contention is we need to create these spaces rather than just making use of the ones we already have? Brilliant.

no one says anything to their Barber they wouldn't mind a woman overhearing

Objection, Your Honour. The witness couldn't possibly know what every man in every barbershop talks about.

1 on 1 conversation with a barber is not the same as a space for a group of men to talk.

In my small town the barbershop has a pool table and a couple of small tables where guys can come in, sit down and hang out. Many other barbershops are gathering places for men.

A men's only pub would also be good.

Now...stop making the rest of us look like simping fools and go hold your wife's purse at the hairdressers.

Because your making us look like jackasses / sexist.

It's you're...now stop making us look like jackasses with your shitty grammar

[–]timeforknowledge 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Lol I cannot know that? No one on here has said they need this or this is an issue they encounter at the barber they all just want it as a fuck you to women.

Also 99% of the time barbers are men only anyway.

You still haven't made any logical argument to why it needs to be men only.

[–]swansong19 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

You still haven't made any logical argument to why it needs to be men only.

Nor do I need to...any more than women need to justify their desire/need for a woman's only space beyond stating they don't want men there.

And you haven't made any for why it shouldn't be. Nor have you answered why these spaces you claim men deserve couldn't be a barbershop if that is what they choose. Nor have you explained how it is that you know what every man talks about in every barbershop everywhere.

[–]timeforknowledge 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Lmao why it shouldn't be?

Because of the law! Your business cannot discriminate based on gender. You want to hire an area for a private event then go ahead, you tell a woman with short hair im not going to cut your hair because you're a woman then you're breaking the law.

You don't discuss anything like that are not do I so 100% of men polled have no idea why this is needed.

[–]swansong19 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Because of the law!

An argument from authority (argumentum ab auctoritate), also called an appeal to authority, or argumentum ad verecundiam, is a form of defeasible argument in which a claimed authority's support is used as evidence for an argument's conclusion.

It is well known as a fallacy

Yet you agree that men should have their own spaces. Impressive the way you talk out of both sides of your face at the same time.

You're not doing too well here, Champ.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice straw-man. The fact is there are many topics men might be more comfortable talking to each other about, without women around. These may even be light-hearted, and may be things they could discuss around women without the women even caring, but the fact is the men are more comfortable, why not let them have that space?

[–]superhobo666 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

we men

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[–]MidNerd 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I got a haircut at a mixed shop and had to completely stop a nice conversation I was having with my stylist because the people next to me were screeching to each other about how "Should we say the future is female or the future is non-binary? I feel like we should say the future is female because this world needs way more female influence and women in power before we can start not caring about gender." Literally, if anything got louder like a blow dryer they would start yelling that shit to each other.

I would kill for a male-only barbershop just so I don't have to listen to that shit while I'm getting my haircut. It's not that I can't talk about whatever I'm talking about with my barber with women around, it's that I don't want women invading every fucking aspect of my life with shit like that. Getting my haircut shouldn't be stress-inducing just because a large number of people in my area are misandrists.

[–]timeforknowledge 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Look I agree, I don't like getting my haircut by a woman, and I would prefer a male dominated environment, and honestly that is what i get without any rules being put in place because i go to a barber. I am yet to even see a girl in one so it's obviously very rare so rare that should we even care?

But when I think about this from a 50/50 what is the most fair for both genders then I can't help thinking it's obvious that discriminating against giving someone a haircut because they are a woman is wrong.

(Also I know a few men that are extremely camp (so loud and feminine) I would take my females friends over them any day)

[–]MidNerd 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I honestly don't care about the gender of who cuts my hair as long as they do a good job. I don't care about the gender of who's in the barbershop either, but that type of situation comes up often enough that it would be nice to have the option to outright avoid it. The thing is I don't have that option where I live. I can try to work around it as much as I want, but I'm going to be stuck with the potential for a hostile visit whenever I go. My workaround has been to just go at opening because it is significantly less likely that those types will be up that early. The point is that I shouldn't have to do that workaround, and there's no issue with having a barbershop be only for men just like there's no issue with having salons be only for women. In a world where one gender has all of the social power, sometimes the other gender just needs a break. It's the same theory behind every other type of safe space.

I am yet to even see a girl in one so it's obviously very rare so rare that should we even care?

Pixie cuts are really common in my area and all of the barbershops do mixed hairstyles anyway so the clientele is mixed. The only barbershops that don't have a heavy female clientele with them are those that are outright female hostile and not just female exclusionary and I don't want to support them or be involved with them in any way. Salons in the area are not the same and will be male exclusionary in a lot of cases using the safe space argument.

[–]2Manadeal2btw 18 points19 points20 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How hot that chick across the street is.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Barbers are people and some people are friends with them. Just because this is how you get your hair cut does not mean it’s everyone’s way.

In this situation, is might just be friends talking about personal thing. Stop putting your life in others mouths.

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[+][deleted] -10 points-9 points-8 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You know I thoght this was a sever about equality, not about putting down an entire gender

If you're really for equal rights you'll treat the oposite gender just how you would want to be treated in return.

[+]timeforknowledge -16 points-15 points-14 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I agree with all of that I'm saying nobody discusses that stuff at their hairdresser or if they do they can easily do it between themselves and their hairdresser without anyone hearing.

But honestly my point is there is no need for this. Hairdressers are not really the place to discuss these issues.

[–]rj2029x 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Who are you to say that? Hairdressers and barbers are two entirely different things. A barber shop is a very different place than a hair salon. Barber shops are known as being places to talk about politics, sports, life, etc.

[+]timeforknowledge -7 points-6 points-5 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah exactly not mental illness, cancer, / subjects men only feel they can only discuss with other men.

Why do you care if a woman is in the background/can't even hear what you're saying while you discuss politics, sports and life????

[–]IllumiNoEye_Gaming 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why do women not want men overhearing their conversations?

[–]rj2029x 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I didn't say I did care. You said the hair dresser isn't the place to gave discussions in general. I said you're describing an entirely different space.

You are the one moving the goal posts talking about mental health and whatever else.

[–]timeforknowledge 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

lmao I'm not the one moving goal posts.

Everyone is yelling at me omg we need this men only barber but not one is saying exactly why.

Have ever even see a women in a barbers? no? neither have I because its a barbers only men go there.

So you are talking about making our group look stupid in public to support a issue that does not even exist.

[–]rj2029x 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course I've seen women in barbershops. Have you ever been to a barber shop? That said, I don't see an issue with a barber shop having a men only policy. It is a business and they should be able to serve whoever they like.

Also, the issue has nothing to do with barber shop, and everything to do with equality. Women only spaces are not only allowed, they are encouraged. So why is it such a major thing for men to have spaces were only men can be? Yet whenever there is an attempt to create or maintain a male-only space, women do their best to infiltrate it (if not outright destroy it.)

Stop pretending like this issue is solely about females coming into barber shops, when the issue is clearly addressing the societal inequality regarding gendered spaces.

[–]hawksdiesel 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How can you honestly say that.

[–]timeforknowledge -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because nobody here says they do and I know no one that does.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It can be more comfortable to have your hair cut and talk about your experience as a man in a space that only has men. Some barber shops are quite social, and people can talk to other people in the shop, like someone sitting waiting, which would be overheard. And both men and women can slightly crudely discuss the opposite gender. That may not offend women, but the men can be more comfortable talking about it in a male space. The fact is what do women have to gain in a barber shop?

[–]timeforknowledge -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

What do they have to gain? In the incredibly rare circumstance that a woman wants a short haircut done by a barber. They want the ability to have their haircut without be discriminated against simply based on their gender.

What do men have to lose?

Every man and woman questioning what exactly are these men only business discussing that apparently easily offends women and making us look stereotypical sexists.

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[–]timeforknowledge 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Discrimination based on gender is wrong regardless of which gender is doing it to who.

That's the concept I thought we all knew. That's what we are fighting for; equality.

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[–]timeforknowledge -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you post on this sub saying only women should be allowed to access gyms then yes I would argue that it is discriminate.

You said fight for, I don't think arguing in Reddit is fighting for anything...

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[–]bastardbeard666 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

ROFL. exactly.

[–]Harnisfechten -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Men only groups are needed, places where issues facing men like medical conditions that only affect men can be openly discussed and everyone can relate. Or issues like children and metal health.

you don't get to decide for men what is important.

you also don't get to decide when/if men get a safe space.

[–]timeforknowledge 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

And you don't get to illegally discriminate based on gender.

You say women only gyms are bad well so are men only barbers.

You are all contradicting yourselves saying you want men only businesses but don't want women only business.

That's inequality and it's not what this group is for. This group is for equality.

[–]Harnisfechten 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

And you don't get to illegally discriminate based on gender.

law = rights. are we talking legal, or moral?

You say women only gyms are bad well so are men only barbers.

I don't say that women-only gyms are bad. the double-standard is bad.

everyone should have freedom of assembly. every business should be free to offer services (or refuse to serve) whoever they want.

[–]timeforknowledge 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Men only spaces, I think there should be far more of.

Business that only offers services to X gender or X race I have massive issues with.

People are getting confused thinking I'm against men having their own space when in reality in simply against one gender telling another they cannot use their public business.

I'm for equality I'm not going to support anything that affects peoples needs e.g. if I'm a woman and I have a barber next door and I have hair shorter than men but I can't go as it's a men only space so I have to go across town and be charged £40 for the same thing. I find that wrong, it goes against my morals and the law of the land.

I object to hairdresser being woman only.

I object to women only gyms.

If you hire a private space or run a private club then do what you want you can have an African men only space.

If you put a sign on the door of your publicly registered business saying no xyz will be served. Then I will find that discrimination.

Gender specific public business = bad. Gender specific private events and clubs = good.

[–]Harnisfechten 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Business only officers services to X gender or X race I have massive issues with.

you may not like it, but they should have that right.

I'm for equality I'm not going to support anything that affects peoples needs e.g. if I'm a woman and I have a barber next door and I have hair shorter than men but I can't go as it's a men only space so I have to go across town and be charged £40 for the same thing. I find that wrong, it goes against my morals

that's fine. you're allowed to not like it. But you thinking something is immoral is not a good justification to ban them from doing it.

Gender specific public business = bad. Gender specific private events and clubs = good.

there's no meaningful difference. saying a business is "public" is meaningless.

the right to freedom of assembly and freedom of association is important. it may lead to people doing things that you find morally gross. That's ok. that's how freedom works.

[–]timeforknowledge 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol it's not about what I like or don't like it's about logic and upholding my countries laws and rights to treat everyone equally.

I don't even see why this needs to be discuased you're never going to get the courts to retract equality law to simply to allow discrimination. They will never do that.

A public business has a legal obligation to not discriminate those that do can face legal action and jail. It's so sad in 2020 I'm having to explain why having a sign on your door saying no Irish is wrong.

What you want is the opposite on freedom you want society to be split into small groups that only serve their gender or race. So ridiculous.

[–]Harnisfechten 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A public business has a legal obligation to not discriminate those that do can face legal action and jail. It's so sad in 2020 I'm having to explain why having a sign on your door saying no Irish is wrong.

you're conflating the law with morality.

I agree that it's morally wrong. and yes, we all know what the current law is.

What you want is the opposite on freedom you want society to be split into small groups that only serve their gender or race. So ridiculous.

freedom doesn't mean people will split into small groups who only serve their gender or race. if that's true, that means you think everyone is racist/sexist, and that people only refrain from acting on their racism/sexism because of the law. That's pretty sad. I don't think people are generally racist or sexist. I think 99% of business owners would gladly serve any customer who walked in, and also recognize that it's just bad for business to turn customers away for silly reasons.

if your view of the world is that giving humans freedom just means we'd all be horrific racists and sexists and would be evil to each other, and that government stands as the bastion against that, I really question where that comes from or what you base that on.

people should have freedom of association. period. Yes, even if that means some people will make immoral decisions. Just like adultery shouldn't be a crime, even though most think it's immoral.

basically, any crime that doesn't cause damage shouldn't be a crime. a shop denying to serve me isn't causing damage - I don't have a right to receive service from them if they don't voluntarily agree to it.

[+]Kieferton -11 points-10 points-9 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Ur not much of a man if u cant tell ur gf to stay at home while u get a haircut.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

christ man, you're not text messaging.

[–]Kieferton -4 points-3 points-2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Right......reddit......

[–]WheresMyCarr 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What about other people’s girlfriends?

[–]Kieferton -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's cute ur afraid of girls, u know they dont really have cooties.

[–]WheresMyCarr 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s not at all what I said. Why are you here?

[+]-colonel-angus- -7 points-6 points-5 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I mean, I agree that barber shops are INFINITELY better with only men, and I wouldn’t want to be in one with some dudes girlfriend hanging around. But to be fair, if a salon were to ban men we’d be in an uproar about it. And yes, there are female only “safe spaces” that ban men, which is ridiculous, and we complain about them.

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[–]-colonel-angus- -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ok, how does that change what I said?

[–]wwstewart 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But to be fair, if a salon were to ban men we’d be in an uproar about it.

No, we really wouldn't.

That's the thing. A lot of men miss the old-school, men-only barber shops. They were great, and you always came out looking/feeling better.

I can't even get a half decent haircut from a woman most of the time because they just don't really do well with men's hair. No, that doesn't offend me, but it's frustrating when I'm expected to pay high prices and they can't even get it right.

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But you don't see men begging to go to the beauty salon. It just really doesn't happen as far as I have seen.

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