Harvard Study: "Gender Pay Gap" Explained Entirely by Work Choices of Men and Women

The_Pringles_Man · 2019-04-03T12:02:01+00:00

And in other news, water is wet.

problem_redditor · 2019-04-03T13:12:26+00:00

This has been debunked time and time again, even by the U.S. Department of Labour, and people still believe it.

https://www.shrm.org/hr-today/public-policy/hr-public-policy-issues/Documents/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf

From a study from the U.S. Department of Labour:

""It is not possible now, and doubtless will never be possible, to determine reliably whether any portion of the observed gender wage gap is not attributable to factors that compensate women and men differently on socially acceptable bases, and hence can confidently be attributed to overt discrimination against women.""

It's incredible how people assume that since there's a gap it must be due to discrimination, and willingly filter out all the other factors that go into determining pay, such as hours worked, experience, occupation, etc.

nomeail · 2019-04-03T13:08:29+00:00

The sad thing is that 50% of women still believe this - because it is in their financial interest to believe it.

This is the most simple phenomenon that we will ever come across. And we cannot persuade people to agree that there is no gender pay gap.

How will we ever be able to stop accepting affirmative action places at harvard?

VadersDawg · 2019-04-03T12:49:55+00:00

This study will be ignored by the crowd that infantilizes women to the point they make it seem women don't have any sense of individual responsibility.

Women are simultaneously strong, independent equals to men but also incapable of making their own choices.

FrogTrainer · 2019-04-03T13:25:59+00:00

NPR went on and on yesterday about "equal pay day" and kept quoting the pay gap as if it were fact.

It doesn't matter how many times it's debunked. People believe it because they want to.

GOULFYBUTT · 2019-04-03T14:59:17+00:00

"Yeah, but that's because we are forced into certain jobs by culture."

"Okay, what do you want to do?"

"Oh! I've always wanted to be a Social Worker!"

14b755fe39 · 2019-04-03T16:42:31+00:00

its obvious that women work less hours, want good hours (no nights/weekends) and take more days off thus making less money, the why has to be explained and investigated.

do women work less hours because they prefer house work over doing extra hours on the job? yes house work is work but it is generally lighter/flexible/delayable work.
do men prefer the role of bread winner? sacrificing them selves for extra hours, or they don't want to take care of the kids, do laundry and cook the meal? are they expected by their wives/families to be the breadwinner?
are women expected by husbands/family/friends to take on the housekeeper/care taker role for children, elderly, the sick? do they like the extra burden?

TBH, its not a simple black/white issue. various factors are in play and there are probably a few different 'prototypes' that lead to the same result.

I know women who would rather work less. I also know women who want to excel at their profession but are also shackled down by traditional roles. There is no one size fits all answer.

the only fair comparison would be single men vs single women (with no kids/sick parents)

BlueOrange22 · 2019-04-03T16:26:43+00:00

In the U.S, men are economically disadvantaged in every measurable category:

Less likely to attend University
More likely to be homeless
More likely to be unemployed.

Because men are less likely to graduate high school and attend university, they now earn less when entering the workforce for the same time. It wouldn't be possible for women to outearn men when being hired if there was a systemic wage gap disfavoring women.

Dharmsara · 2019-04-03T15:34:26+00:00

Yeah, you know... the point now is that they blame the choices women make on men.

“Women are not encouraged enough (by other men)“

“Women are not respected equally at work (by other men)”

And the such

Eoghanwheeler · 2019-04-03T13:36:29+00:00

Trying to find an article on a major news site about this, but it's nowhere to be found.

cobbb11 · 2019-04-03T16:23:00+00:00

We needed Harvard for this??

IcebergHermit · 2019-04-03T17:13:47+00:00

Ladies you are welcome to work on offshore oil rigs and King crab fishing boats and state road repair crews and HVAC system installation installing ductwork and cabling and you are welcome to work in the coal mining fields like we do... all of these jobs pay well - better than an admin assistant or a hair stylist or a daycare worker....

BUT YOU WONT BECAUSE YOU ARE PHYSICALLY LAZY AND ONLY WANT TO WORK INDOORS IN AIR CONDITIONED BUILDINGS

😡

willbeonekenobi · 2019-04-03T16:04:54+00:00

I posted this article on r/feminism and guess what happened 10 minutes later? I'll give two guesses each but your only going to use one.

danimalplanimal · 2019-04-03T16:55:01+00:00

you're a little late to that one Harvard...

7Jamester7 · 2019-04-03T18:25:26+00:00

It is nice to be able to see posts on TwoXChromosomes even though I cannot comment.

onlybrownpanther · 2019-04-03T20:22:39+00:00

True, women are more likely to be raising children, taking care of elderly family members, or doing housework, leaving them with fewer hours in the day for paid employment. But this does not alter the essential fact: that people working fewer hours, on average, can be expected to earn lower incomes, on average.

Tell that to the female tennis players!

Hot4M · 2019-04-03T16:19:20+00:00

One Study says feminists will come up with anything to paint themselves as victims.

EngineeringKid · 2019-04-03T16:25:54+00:00

Only possible explanation: Harvard is sexist

monkeyburrito411 · 2019-04-03T19:15:42+00:00

so choice

tableender · 2019-04-03T20:02:52+00:00

Women between the age of 18 and 30 living in metropolitan areas who have never married or had any children earn on average 8% more than men in the same demographic. Is this "wage gap" down to sexism? This "gap" narrows and reverses when children come along. Women predominantly take the time from work or go back part-time when children are on the scene. This happens because women, especially middle class women, are hypergamous. If they didn't go out of their way to marry men who earned as much as possible and more importantly have prospects of Higher earnings in the years to come in the same way that men don't, then women would be more likely to be the main wage earner and as a result it would make far more sense for the men to be the main caregiver and possibly go part time or pack in while kids are young. Of course this will never happen until women stop rating a partners potential earnings as highly. Ironically men are accused of lacking in romance yet most men, including high earning men, will happily love and marry a woman that earns substantially less than him, even one unemployed. Women, especially high earning women, that do this are like rocking horse shit. When it comes to selecting a life partner women are far less romantic and are far more hard nosed about it. Growing up young men observe this in society all around them. It is why young men are primed to go after money in a way that women aren't Men do this in the choice of career, the hours worked and the general work life balance. Hypergamy is the unacknowledged engine driving the gender earnings gap. As long as women cling to this practice like a drowning sailor clinging to a lifebelt nothing will ever change.

idealcastle · 2019-04-03T14:28:17+00:00

Article was written by a man. Must be fake news /s

T4mvv1lc0xx · 2019-04-03T15:48:42+00:00

who wouldve thought? Gender pay gap is an excuse to attack men. Aimless activism

KralHeroin · 2019-04-03T16:08:17+00:00

They won't care, it's not about facts. They just want the most money they can get.

GnarlyBellyButton87 · 2019-04-03T18:05:20+00:00

The gender pay gap doesn't even exist, what is this meaning

RadioUnfriendly · 2019-04-03T20:04:37+00:00

European people in any country have a birth rate less than replacement level. The Koreans and Japanese have a similar problem. This is an automatic result of women deciding to LARP as men instead of producing and raising children.

Are women happy LARPing as men? For the most part, no. Women are more miserable than ever and the happiest ones live a traditional life where they have and raise children in a family.

Men used to be able to get married and work while the woman stayed home, and they made enough money to take care of a family with 2-4 children at least. The family participated in 35-60 hours of work, usually the man doing all of it. Now we've got a man and a woman working full time, so it's like 70-100 hours of work while the kids are left in daycare, which has been proven to be traumatic for them.

Don't worry about any of this, though. We need to worry about the imaginary pay gap.

available_splinter · 2019-04-04T04:54:33+00:00

This should finally put this outdated and ridiculous argument to bed.

hatefulreason · 2019-04-04T07:19:48+00:00

don't focus too much on twox, theres also gendercritical, asking the real questions and solving the real problems

http://archive.is/LViwp

http://archive.fo/IP29e

mattcojo · 2019-04-03T14:54:13+00:00

They won’t listen to this. If one scholarly journal said vaccines may have an affect in causing autism (literally 1) that thousands of people believe, this will mean nothing to people adamantly believing they deserve more.

Silencio00 · 2019-04-03T19:31:47+00:00

For the million time

Szos · 2019-04-03T21:18:04+00:00

This should be posted in a more frequented sub.

itsthevoiceman · 2019-04-03T23:30:03+00:00

https://i.imgur.com/sohWhy9.jpg

Willravel · 2019-04-04T01:17:01+00:00

Why do men and women, on average and on a large scale, make different choices?

The study suggests that "at the root of these different choices is the fact that women value time and flexibility more than men" given that the data collected suggests that women tend to avoid scheduling work on inconvenient days and avoid split-shifts, however the study also says that men tend to do the same thing and offset this through overtime. What's still missing, however, is ultimately the reason why women choose differently than men within a statistically significant sample size. Until we understand that better, we cannot say that the gap is explained. We've simply moved one layer closer.

Real life is nuanced.

Trumpologist · 2019-04-04T01:31:10+00:00

shocker, who could have seen this coming

CALAMITYFOX · 2019-04-04T01:42:03+00:00

We have known this for years

JackFisherBooks · 2019-04-04T15:49:05+00:00

This isn't the first study to come to this conclusion and I doubt it will be the last. At the same time, I don't doubt for a second that every study like this will be controversial and subject to outrage.

xNS5 · 2019-04-04T18:59:45+00:00

Don't get me wrong I believe that the wage gap is due to the different lifestyle choices that men and women take (not just raising kids, but willingness to work overtime and whatnot as well), but this analyzed the average hours of men v women in a pretty specific job. Why could this be used to make inferences about the population as a whole? If we compared the hours of men v women in garbage collecting the hours would be pretty skewed because of the number of men working in that field.

rahsoft · 2019-04-04T22:40:45+00:00

.. and yet thomas sowell pointed out these issues how many years ago ??????

Why_the_hate_ · 2019-04-03T18:01:41+00:00

To be fair, SOME of that is because people were held back and isn’t do certain things in the past. Women doctors for example (instead of nurses). However, that’s simply something that needs time to change and I’m sure it’s already evening out.

ConnorGracie · 2019-04-03T16:07:20+00:00

Are you going to tell me women in college choose their majors according to some pressure to cook an clean.

bluefootedpig · 2019-04-03T18:11:01+00:00

Why aren't men choosing to raise their kids?

jonpierre · 2019-04-03T15:26:23+00:00

I read this study in its entirety. The authors never actually looked at actual pay rates - they lumped groups together to support their assumptions. They also only looked at the US. Quit citing this kind of biased shit.

Title	Harvard Study: "Gender Pay Gap" Explained Entirely by Work Choices of Men and Women
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Date	April 3, 2019 11:16 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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