The absolute state that is r/menslibb

Vegetable_Camera5042 · 2024-04-25T19:44:33+00:00

The 3 stages of denial.

Step 1 Misandry doesn't exist: So men are talking about an issue that doesn't exist.

Step 2 They downplay the effects of misandry: Because misandry isn't as bad as misogyny, because women face more issues.

Step 3 They flat out justified misandry: Saying men deserved hate, because they are the oppressors and created the patriarchy. So misandry is their fault.

It never surprises me whenever I have arguments with feminists or see arguments with feminists. Where they go through the 3 stages of denial very quickly. To the point they go straight to justifying step 3 by saying misandry is men's fault, after saying misandry doesn't exist in step 1. Again they do all of this in the same argument lol.

BCRE8TVE · 2024-04-25T20:32:46+00:00

And here I thought menslib was taking a turn for the better after their gigantic cluster fuck in allowing an AMA with a man who denied that male victims of domestic abuse existed.

https://www.reveddit.com/v/MensLib/comments/1ccxkhm/the_perception_paradox_men_who_hate_feminists/?add_user=pianoblook..c.new..t1_l17qz5q..%2Cthreauaouais..c.new..t1_l18erj2

This reveddit link hopefully allows people to see some deleted comments.

They even got called out on blanket deleting any "unconstructive" criticism of feminism, but allowing unconstructive criticism of antifeminists, and then deleted that comment which pointed it out despite the specific comment calling them out, not breaking any of their actual rules.

If you willingly blind yourself to half of what's causing the problem, you'll never resolve it, and menslib seems decidedly committed to keeping the feminist blinders firmly screwed on and banning anyone who disagrees.

/u/ElectricalSoil546 do you want to repost this to r/Menslibwatch, so we can keep a comprehensive record of how shitty that sub is and why men cannot and should not trust it?

darkhorse691 · 2024-04-25T20:41:53+00:00

It's especially ironic because I lurk a lot on askfeminists and twox and the way they talk about menslib is legit insane.

Weegemonster5000 · 2024-04-25T19:28:20+00:00

There could have been a lot of good discussion there from people who get the topic. Strange to just kill it instead of letting the people dissect and discuss it.

SvitlanaLeo · 2024-04-25T19:34:35+00:00

The perception paradox: women who hate masculists think masculists hate women.

foxsheepgato · 2024-04-25T21:44:50+00:00

when I found menslib it sounded great, but then I posted something and I got the same thing as OP. I feel like it's male feminist circlejerk where they pretend to care about men's issues.

Dashing2026 · 2024-04-25T20:01:38+00:00

Feminism is not men's ally. And menslib subreddit is just mensfeminism.

DMFan79 · 2024-04-25T23:57:03+00:00

I unsubbed because of that thread and because I can't stand anymore one mod and his "holier than thou" attitude towards posters.

Their views on circumcision are hypocritical. The fact one can't say anything against feminism is a form of censorship. Also, posts do not appear right away, they need to be approved first, which is another way to filter what is aligned with their views and what is not.

There's no discussion, either you agree with them or you're out.

Just like feminist subreddits...

They're not helping men, they are just another elitist group of people who never experienced the injustice some of us had to endure at the hand of a woman.

rammo123 · 2024-04-25T21:14:56+00:00

I would like to see their definition of constructive antifeminism. Methinks they considered that an oxymoron.

threauaouais · 2024-04-25T23:04:40+00:00

I was just permabanned from /r/MensLib, with a mod note saying:

Blaming feminists for your anti-feminism is not the nuanced, progressive take you seem to think it is.

Here is the actual comment I made, which has since been removed (along with several others):

I was never fully conservative but I was antifeminist. Speaking from my experience of when I was antifeminist, I completely disagree with your description.

It wasn't about abstractly believing that feminists were trying to assert power over men, it was from concrete experiences of specific feminists in my life trying to assert power over men. I could absolutely believe in the existence of feminists who didn't act that way, but I took concrete experiences more seriously than theoretical beliefs -- and I don't think I was wrong to do so. Being antifeminist was, for me, an attempt to fight against lived experiences of injustice. I was unjustified in stereotyping feminists, but it was hard to reason me out of a position that I arrived at experientially. I didn't change my stance until I met better feminists.

I look at it similarly to religion. Religious people have many different beliefs and ways of behaving, but religious texts + ideas can be used to justify mistreatment of others. In this respect, being antifeminist is analogous to being anti-religious -- it's often based on real experiences of mistreatment but is still a form of stereotyping. Really, I think it's neater to just say that you oppose mistreatment. It's more specific and it avoids stereotyping.

It's wild that the mods framed my stance as a "take" when it's an actual account of my lived experiences. This kind of thing just fuels antifeminism.

SarcasticallyCandour · 2024-04-25T21:06:52+00:00

That cesspit is still on reddit? It should really be nuked.

Johntoreno · 2024-04-25T19:43:05+00:00

Its nice to see that our good friends are hard at work to make sure Menslib remains a graveyard of a forum.

AutumnWak · 2024-04-26T00:26:06+00:00

Mens Libs has always been extremely pro feminist, and they've never tried to hide it. It even says so on the sidebar. I don't know why anyone is surprised about them banning criticism of feminism. That being said, I do find it a bit extreme of them to even ban phrases like "some feminists". It's also funny because a lot of feminist subreddits don't like them and think they don't talk about women enough.

GeekofFury · 2024-04-26T01:14:33+00:00

I've said it before and I will say it again. r/menslib is a fucking cesspit of misandrist feminist simping bullshit. No one with a functioning brain should go there.

Alpha0rgaxm · 2024-04-26T00:23:59+00:00

That sub is for simps and the delusional. They may as well change the sub to womenslibb

Hubris1998 · 2024-04-25T21:37:03+00:00

menslib is a blatant feminist psyop

GeneralShadowMC2021 · 2024-04-26T10:35:46+00:00

What stands out to me most about this article and the fact that so much defence is being played for it... they literally cannot get past the same old shit that’s been talked about in internet spaces for over a literal decade now. Seriously, this was written in 2024? Feel like I just stumbled back into the GamerGate years.

And it belies a very simple fact: the domestic violence gerrymandering, the blockading acknowledgement of male victims of sexual violence, the coddling of female criminal offenders despite their lenient treatment being a well-known issue in academic circles since the mid-20th Century... even if you were SOMEHOW to look past all the very real vitriol that many a self-proclaimed feminist has blurted out (be they actual public figures or otherwise), you can’t ignore this shit without it being deliberate.

And that’s the thing that scares these pricks the most I think - they have to know by now that it’s a war of attrition and that the most stubborn adversaries they’ve got, are people like many of us who turned sides once the excuses became too much. So even as much as conceding that feminist men might get disillusioned and have legitimate cause for it, is sincerely dangerous to their image of absolute moral righteousness.

There can be no admission of errors, no admission of an undercurrent of bad actors, no admission of fallibility in any and all possible circumstances. Just keep polishing the ivory tower and hope it looks pretty enough that nobody asks questions about how it was built.

WeEatBabies · 2024-04-26T01:53:47+00:00

I bet those removed comments where from menslib's members who had genuine concerns/criticism of feminism that should be addressed.

They sure got told the status quo won't be addressed nor their voices be heard :D

CatacombsRave · 2024-04-26T10:32:07+00:00

“This is a pro-feminist community…”

“This is a place to discuss men and men’s issues…”

Ya okay.

pachacuti092 · 2024-04-27T01:27:53+00:00

Honestly I stopped taking menslib seriously after they went mask off in their racism towards south Asian men

_name_of_the_user_ · 2024-04-25T23:53:58+00:00

I mean, yes. Do Jews not hate Nazis? Do blacks not hate KKK? Of course people are going to hate those who hold to an ideology that hates those people.

KD_Ram · 2024-04-26T01:46:59+00:00

considering how much the mods of that sub act I almost want to ask the average (man) member "blink twice if you are being held hostage/tortured"

sometimes I legit wonder if the men on there are actually being abused right now in real life and can't speak up there because you know that would be deleted instantly if the posters partners are feminist.

Maffioze · 2024-04-26T07:35:52+00:00

An article filled with gaslighting and nonsense is allowed, but calling that out isn't lmao.

AdamChap · 2024-04-26T14:55:48+00:00

Most of us are ex feminist by default is what they failed to realise.

knutarnesel · 2024-04-26T05:17:37+00:00

Why are the mods deciding what the community is pro/against?

NeoGio28 · 2024-04-26T13:08:44+00:00

That Mod banned more than 15 comments wow. I hate this website.

ChimpPimp20 · 2024-04-28T03:16:26+00:00

A comment that was removed:

I was never fully conservative but I was antifeminist. Speaking from my experience of when I was antifeminist, I completely disagree with your description.

It wasn't about abstractly believing that feminists were trying to assert power over men, it was from concrete experiences of specific feminists in my life trying to assert power over men. I could absolutely believe in the existence of feminists who didn't act that way, but I took concrete experiences more seriously than theoretical beliefs -- and I don't think I was wrong to do so. Being antifeminist was, for me, an attempt to fight against lived experiences of injustice. I was unjustified in stereotyping feminists, but it was hard to reason me out of a position that I arrived at experientially. I didn't change my stance until I met better feminists.

I look at it similarly to religion. Religious people have many different beliefs and ways of behaving, but religious texts + ideas can be used to justify mistreatment of others. In this respect, being antifeminist is analogous to being anti-religious -- it's often based on real experiences of mistreatment but is still a form of stereotyping. Really, I think it's neater to just say that you oppose mistreatment. It's more specific and it avoids stereotyping.

Edit: I've been permabanned from this subreddit with a note that "Blaming feminists for your anti-feminism is not the nuanced, progressive take you seem to think it is." This is not some kind of "take", it is an account of my actual experience, which the mods are discounting. But I know that the nuance of lived experience goes against thieir ideology. We will not be able to stop the rise of antifeminism so long as we refuse to identify and address its causes, even if they are uncomfortable. Disappointing but not surprising. I will look for feminist spaces that do not make this mistake.

I think menslib is right about going out and doing work but they fail to admit any fault whether it be feminism or leftism as a whole. They're always pointing the finger at the right wingers. I'm also tired of leftist deliberately using my identity as a black man to begrudgingly admit that men's issues do in fact matter. If we're all about equality then stop excluding white men whenever someone has a clear bias against them. For the lurkers that don't believe me, ask them how they feel about "KAM."

DeDeepKing · 2024-04-26T01:35:53+00:00

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Designer-Discount283 · 2024-04-26T10:49:02+00:00

I don't know what was written in the post.

But I do agree that "Men who hate Feminist" think that "Feminist hate men."

TheMentalMarauder · 2024-04-26T14:30:03+00:00

The sheer amount of people on that page that are suicidal is truly heartbreaking. They just don't get it.

DaydreemAddict · 2024-04-25T20:21:22+00:00

I kinda understand both sides here.

1: If you let criticism of feminism go unchecked, the subbreddit slowly devolves into women-hating instead of focusing on ways to help men, or about problems men are facing.

This only solidifies the notion that some people have, that all male advocacy groups are about misogyny. This weakens how the arguments of men rights and misandry appear to others.

2: If you remove all criticism of feminism, you get what appears in this picture. Men's experiences become silenced for the sake of avoiding the first issue. Men won't be able to express valid points on how they're treated in some circles, irl or online.

I dislike how they phrase it as "unconstructive," if you don't call out a specific group, institution, or person, as if feminists need those limitations to call out issues with men, because they don't.

There is a difference between criticism and hatred, and I don't think the mods of that subreddit know the difference. Although i don't know what those comments actually say, they could be heinous shit who knows.

This subreddit is kind of a happy medium, although I have seen problem #1 appear here sometimes.

2024-04-26T14:23:38+00:00

Wait, I'm confused. I'm relatively new to Reddit. That's a "Men's Lib" sub that's "anti men's lib" ? What kind of doublespeak garbage is that?

HedgeRunner · 2024-04-25T22:01:09+00:00

I'm willing to bet good money that most men in that sub are OF subscribers.

What a bunch of pathetic losers and sneaky-fuckers. (look this up term, it's real mating science)

BloomingBrains · 2024-04-30T07:55:10+00:00

Guess those comments accidentally fell down a memory hole.

Illustrious_Wish_383 · 2024-04-30T09:57:03+00:00

Shitlibs gonna shitlib.

Any_Swan_6401 · 2024-04-26T03:14:14+00:00

OP is an open conservative. Don’t take the bait.

Busterthefatman · 2024-04-25T20:31:04+00:00

"We have no objection to the genuinely egalitarian aspects of feminism, but we will criticize feminist ideology wherever it is inegalitarian and/or untruthful, especially now that it holds institutional power"

So have we just packed this in for feminism bad?

The linked study just says feminists are not any more hostile to men than non-feminists or men themselves. The article admits that there is misandry within the feminist community. Seems like a pretty fair assessment to me.

Although im not a fan of the article itself and how heavily it leans on "misogynists dont like feminists because theyll stick up for themselves" menslib has always been a pretty good space to talk about mens issues in my experience.

The absolute state that is r/menslibb

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