You really can’t make this up😂😂😂 (scroll to the end)

hustlors · 2024-07-21T17:30:09+00:00

I rather feed the ducks

Cold_Mongoose161 · 2024-07-21T17:05:06+00:00

Average FDS femcel:

Current_Finding_4066 · 2024-07-21T17:27:28+00:00

I am sure there is a rich guy waiting for every woman, she just needs to wait long enough.

/S

paraque159 · 2024-07-21T17:12:28+00:00

It’s literally always, always the (at best) mid butterface ones. They think saying this will make us think “wow she must be desired - high standards” Bitter because they’re invisible to the men they want. They’re too insecure to be seen with a man that isn’t top 20%, but can’t get anything but a nut from those men. So they make up these “standards” so they can pretend that’s why they’re single.

Lobster556 · 2024-07-21T17:51:22+00:00

Yeah, I'd rather stay home and use my hand.

Grow_peace_in_Bedlam · 2024-07-21T17:33:44+00:00

She should be grateful when a man wants to go 50/50, since she looks like she eats 80% of the food on a dinner date.

EDIT: Also, we can see how mature she is, calling her vagina her "cookie."

Lululemonparty_ · 2024-07-21T17:10:28+00:00

Wow. Looks like Bobby Lee with a wig on.

DeadWinterDays9 · 2024-07-21T18:15:04+00:00

She left out “After you have the ring on your finger, start denying him sex and intimacy. And after a few years, divorce him and take half of everything he has.”

DifficultPapaya3038 · 2024-07-21T18:13:11+00:00

Our cultures obsession with materialism makes me really sad.

MusicalMerlin1973 · 2024-07-21T17:14:53+00:00

As much as I hated at the time my then girl friend/now wife pushing to get an apartment she could afford to pay half the rent on (I had previously been paying the full rent on my previous place myself) and losing a room and lots of stove to boot, I now appreciate the fact that she was always half in on our day to day expenses when we moved in together, despite the huge disparity in income (I think I made 3-4x the amount she did at the time).

Qvs007 · 2024-07-21T18:11:13+00:00

Hang on, I'm still fighting FOR them wanting equality .... did I miss something?

EOD_Bad_Karma · 2024-07-21T17:34:57+00:00

Just ignore stupid people.

You’ll live a happier life that way.

JACSliver · 2024-07-21T18:53:28+00:00

I saw another one where she says "My things are mine, his things are mine". That is one of the reasons people think self-love and narcissism are synonyms.

SchwiftedMetal · 2024-07-21T18:14:22+00:00

Easy way to stay single. No one wants to be with a leach. They should know that given it’s their entire ideology.

walterwallcarpet · 2024-07-21T18:50:08+00:00

I guess the 'beauty' filter really struggled here...

Any man would bail, long before taking this to a restaurant. He wouldn't want to suspect that the maitre d' was sniggering at his choice of companion.

black_orchid83 · 2024-07-21T20:28:43+00:00

Aaand there it is, the attacking the women they call pick me girls. Women like me and a few others who are in here sometimes. They say that we devalue ourselves and that we do it for male attention. No, we just don't act like this because we know what it takes to be a partner. Some of the other stuff was like basically, I want a man who will think for me. I shouldn't have to do anything or even think about anything. Where the fuck are these women coming from? Toxic feminism is the worst thing that ever happened to this world.

Status-Syllabub-3722 · 2024-07-21T17:02:54+00:00

I'll spare the ad hominin attacks, as deluded comes in all flavors.

DO_Kagome · 2024-07-21T17:10:33+00:00

Just a few reasons why I would never date a woman again. Disgusting.

bigskycaniac · 2024-07-21T19:06:04+00:00

Leaches and materialistic shrews are repugnant.

Current_Finding_4066 · 2024-07-21T17:23:05+00:00

Make it clear you are spliting the bill, if she wants a diner, in advance, if she bulks, you have saved some time and cash

Evaar_IV · 2024-07-21T20:02:59+00:00

As I said before in a previous comment, those are whores.

Not slut, literally a whore. There is a transaction in exchange for a sexual relationship void of love. A whore is not only someone who gets paid with cash in a conventional way. There are thousands of ways to complete the transaction for the price of her body.

And the first picture acting disgusted because a man asks her to contribute? No understanding of anything in real life, how the world operates now, how opportunities are destroyed and people losing their entire lives, but only cares about getting spoiled like the pet pig she is. She is an unevolved monkey, a leech that makes a living through her pussy. Simple, and direct.

carpeCactus · 2024-07-21T20:20:21+00:00

Men aren’t entitled to a woman’s body…and women aren’t entitled to a man’s finances!

RSA1RSA · 2024-07-21T17:23:59+00:00

I am SOOOOO glad I'm bi... I actually feel for you straight men

KelVarnsenIII · 2024-07-21T19:01:30+00:00

Whoever wrote this is nothing more than a money hungry ho!

Vaiken_Vox · 2024-07-21T19:27:50+00:00

Women over estimating their market value...

hendrixski · 2024-07-22T00:18:08+00:00

Toxic femininity

shawner136 · 2024-07-21T19:24:24+00:00

Cupid stunt

Proper_Frosting_6693 · 2024-07-21T20:02:18+00:00

Priced herself out of the market!

Looking for a Ferrari with a $5 budget

independance_soft1 · 2024-07-21T20:35:20+00:00

You don't ask her to split the bill, you tell the waiter, "separate checks."

kingmidaswithacurse · 2024-07-22T02:06:26+00:00

Might as well get a prostitute a few times a month, a lot cheaper in the long-run.

Wheekie · 2024-07-21T18:28:03+00:00

Supposedly, a man going his own way is seen as woman-hating, but when faced with a woman like this, is it really the man's fault he went his own way?

wecernycek · 2024-07-21T19:47:44+00:00

😆 the entitlement!

MannerNo7000 · 2024-07-21T19:57:31+00:00

In the end it was all about money…

ZimmyS_22 · 2024-07-21T19:35:28+00:00

Yeah, no. Being single for another decade doesn't really seem like such a bad idea.

jessi387 · 2024-07-21T21:46:09+00:00

“ women are strong and independent….”

That’s why they don’t pay for their own food

jessi387 · 2024-07-21T22:02:53+00:00

I’ve even seen this from platonic female friends. I knew girls who would ask for guys to pay for their food. And they would……

To some degree we are part of the problem. Treating them like princesses once in a while leads to inflating their egos permanently

o0o0ohhh · 2024-07-22T00:36:35+00:00

That someone thinks like this and actually believes it’s so smart, so good they share it publicly as tips… how disconnected and cuckoo does one have to be???

Witty_Attitude4412 · 2024-07-22T01:11:02+00:00

Doesn't get equality.

Doesn't get traditional gender roles either.

Thinks she is a princess and deserves everything.

Bet, she is single.

Tringmurks · 2024-07-22T02:50:30+00:00

Don’t forget… these are the type of single woman that are still dating… and giving out advice. And woman like this wonder why they’re single

Juragam-66 · 2024-07-21T17:17:22+00:00

She looks like the Asia Shera7 aka sprink sprinkle🤣🤣

Odd_Many_9570 · 2024-07-21T18:38:32+00:00

Lmao as a religious person myself whose culture is heavily based on traditionalism this is hilarious to me!

Ask if she's a virgin... If not everything on the list is immediately disqualified 😂

estrogenex · 2024-07-21T18:54:35+00:00

I assure you most women or at least many of us don't think like this. I would never go out with someone if I couldn't pay for myself. These women need to develop some pride

dumoktheartist · 2024-07-21T18:14:44+00:00

That is a discussion you have BEFORE THE DATE!

sgt_oddball_17 · 2024-07-21T20:55:45+00:00

Wow, a 3 is telling other women how to get guys ?

LordBogus · 2024-07-21T22:17:25+00:00

One drink guys, one drink

michaelpaoli · 2024-07-21T18:49:57+00:00

Sounds like a dodohead writing up a recipe to become abuse victim of an *sshole rich male jerk. Be careful what you wish for - you may get it.

sterslayer · 2024-07-21T19:50:31+00:00

as a woman I’m disgusted with this woman’s post and trend (or whatever genre this is) generally.

TaskComfortable6953 · 2024-07-21T19:34:08+00:00

Freakin egg head. Lookin like a damn yolk

ALE_SAUCE_BEATS · 2024-07-21T18:25:20+00:00

The comments on her posts say it all. What a loser.

Miserable-Willow6105 · 2024-07-21T20:05:14+00:00

Treating your date is a good thing, but it would be much better as mutual initiative

CabbieCam · 2024-07-21T20:28:00+00:00

This is why I am so grateful to be gay. I might be a single gay, but I don't have to deal with bullshit like this.

Celeborn2001 · 2024-07-21T21:24:23+00:00

I mean… I think she would actually benefit from not having a dinner every once in a while, if I’m being honest.

Mister_Hugh_Mungus · 2024-07-21T21:59:36+00:00

What's interesting is that there's a huge amount of societal disgust about men getting dating advice even if it's mildest form from a book or something

Yet this, it's just totally fine....

conradfart · 2024-07-21T22:13:09+00:00

Knowing she ate the entire table.

qwestq · 2024-07-21T22:46:42+00:00

oh that was some pomerian barking ,me walking by .

disclaimer- sorry pomerian , they just have your characteristics , but you are cute them not. :)

IntrepidDifference84 · 2024-07-21T23:39:03+00:00

2s acting crazy

XLandonSkywolfX · 2024-07-21T23:39:45+00:00

She looks like she’s been holding her breath since she started typing that. Alvin chipmunk lookin ass

Ok-Yogurtcloset7394 · 2024-07-22T00:05:47+00:00

lol, If she walks out i'll give the staff her contact data, pay what I ate and am happy to quickly have found out that this woman is a red flag

33spacecowboys · 2024-07-22T01:04:19+00:00

That hand holding the drink is fat though

Electrical_Poet_9257 · 2024-07-22T01:43:53+00:00

Delusional.

Admiralthrawnbar · 2024-07-22T01:50:29+00:00

5, her strawman comparison is still better than the description of herself

caolex · 2024-07-22T02:26:23+00:00

I mean, if she walks out on the bill, it doesn’t make him pay. She just dined and dashed. You pay your portion, she’s not allowed back at that restaurant again.

Shedding · 2024-07-22T09:10:33+00:00

This is disgusting. I can't tell you how angry I am at seeing this shit. It should be a partnership where both succeed. Not look at you as some inanimate bank without feelings.

Sam__Toucan · 2024-07-22T09:10:41+00:00

And these women wonder why they only attract losers 😀

OperationWorldly9064 · 2024-07-22T11:46:27+00:00

I had a snarky response but last two slides had me rolling LMAOOO

Plus_Ad_4041 · 2024-07-22T18:48:16+00:00

The entitlement is real. Had a date last night. Girl showed up on either heavy meds or completely drunk, slurring her words. Could barely sit on the bar stool. I tried to make the best of it. Had to carry the conversation the whole date and tried to be a gentleman. After a few drinks she started to get nasty, saying she was not sure she is ready to be dating, that I am not tall enough and she usually dates younger guys. I had enough and told her "no problem lets wrap this up and split the check and we can both go our own ways". Did not give an option. She told me I was being rude. I told her that she does not seem like she has her act together and I agree that she should not date. She then got angry and started raising her voice. I guess the truth hurts. Paid my half patted her on the back and said it was nice to meet you and walked out.

I am actually proud of myself. I am done being taken advantage of by women. The old me would of been nice and just paid the full bill etc but if you can't even be a decent human being as a date no way.

KirillNek0 · 2024-07-21T19:04:09+00:00

Drizzle-Drizzle.

QuantumHalyard · 2024-07-21T19:11:36+00:00

Get off Instagram, that shit will kill you

black_orchid83 · 2024-07-21T20:19:07+00:00

Yep and they do this and then lament about how they can't find a good man. I saw a post yesterday where it was this really long list of things that you should and should not do that this woman wrote. It was honestly kind of disturbing and I felt sorry for anybody who dated her. Then again, at least she warned them. I went on a date with a guy who insisted on paying but he said he appreciated that I at least offered to split the bill before we even went on the date. He said, nonsense. I'm the one who asked you on the date so I'm insisting on paying. I do appreciate your offering though because not a lot of women have done that. In fact, you're the only one who has.

tilldeathdoiparty · 2024-07-21T19:31:32+00:00

This is ONE mentality unstable woman, not against men’s rights… This Is just an idiot

garry_potter · 2024-07-21T19:23:15+00:00

She will get traded in for a younger model as soon as her tits start drooping.

Karma will come for it.

Trev6ft5 · 2024-07-21T19:45:39+00:00

Guy's the economy isn't too good, it's our duty to pay for their meals /s

Perfect_Sir4820 · 2024-07-21T19:55:15+00:00

I think she already found her man (mark?).

Wealthly provider man: He lets you order whatever tf you want one/multiple of everything

quantumMechanicForev · 2024-07-21T20:50:28+00:00

Absolute insanity.

She listened to way too much Call Her Daddy and thinks she’s some alpha female. The solipsism some women evidence is outrageous. It’s pathetic and disgusting. Any man that gets involved with a woman like this needs to get better male friends that can help him understand how fucked to his choices are.

Kenntaaard · 2024-07-21T20:52:40+00:00

Walk out? That would make her a thief. She sound bright.

Imaginary_Bear_2710 · 2024-07-21T21:22:52+00:00

Embarrassed??? Embarrassed I went on a date with a bum

KhadgarIsaDreadlord · 2024-07-21T22:27:23+00:00

Some people get off on trying to drag others down to their level. Misery loves company.

J2501 · 2024-07-22T01:00:39+00:00

As a man, if anyone ever asked me to a meal or show, I'd at least half-expect to pay, and wouldn't accept, if I couldn't afford it.

As a man.

American_PP · 2024-07-22T01:34:14+00:00

Date a rich chick

CaptainObvious1313 · 2024-07-22T02:26:12+00:00

Yoikes

Original_Dankster · 2024-07-22T02:44:23+00:00

Ew. Yuck.

toastedtomato · 2024-07-22T02:52:18+00:00

Should’ve warned us about the jumpscare 😂

AdamChap · 2024-07-22T05:40:44+00:00

Does anyone know if this worked out for her? I suspect she's trying to make other women as single as she is, and by maintaining such a high standard she can justify why things don't work out. Honestly: you can get sweet women, who are hard working, feminine, better looking and probably willing to try twice as much in the bedroom as this lass - and aren't complaining when you don't buy the most expensive thing on the menu I mean wtf.

psycobillycadillac · 2024-07-22T06:57:05+00:00

When pic seven popped up it made me jump back in my chair. I bet she’s as round as she is tall.

CIearMind · 2024-07-22T08:26:28+00:00

Oh lawd 😭

Revolutionary_Leg622 · 2024-07-22T13:20:25+00:00

Not a doctor opinion rejected

Baboon_Stew · 2024-07-22T14:44:01+00:00

She's a 3 demanding 10 privileges. Keep investing in Chewy and the box wine companies.

Almahue · 2024-07-22T18:48:10+00:00

Honestly?

The first 2 of the “hyper masculine woman" characteristics are the very bare minimum I would ask of a woman I date.

I can lead conversations and pursue, but it's not an either or situation. If you add nothing, you get nothing!

LunarRiviera21 · 2024-07-21T18:52:18+00:00

"Go on high investments date with multiple men"...

Sadly this is commonly happening in high-luxurious events...

i've heard that many Ukrainian women would throw themselves to attend this events...i am just sad that beautiful people are treating themselves worthless

ArtVandelay2025 · 2024-07-21T20:00:39+00:00

Wow, they all think that they have the magic chooch. News flash --- you're not special !!!

rahsoft · 2024-07-21T21:18:24+00:00

Aiyo !!

that is one major shèngnǚ

MekTam · 2024-07-21T21:24:03+00:00

Drizzle drizzle community rejects this nonsense

habit_maester · 2024-07-21T22:28:30+00:00

"I am the table"

Meaning the bargaining table

Meaning the tool the actual two parties use to come to an agreement

Fair enough!

Keiuu · 2024-07-21T22:57:29+00:00

Yeah these points strike me as being from FDS, not worth any attention

colder-beef · 2024-07-22T01:51:44+00:00

I’d 100% pick up the full tab with her. Then leave before appetizers show up. I know they won’t be wasted.

TheShyDreamer · 2024-07-22T03:20:21+00:00

I legit saw a reel where it said "If female octopus throw objects at male octopus when whe is angry. So can you "the comment section was turned off so clearly people had called them put on this bs. I reported the reel and moved on.. Didn't see the username

EpicL504 · 2024-07-22T03:58:18+00:00

That’s why there’s a pay gap

Ambitious-Reach-1186 · 2024-07-22T04:24:17+00:00

I don't even let these clowns ass women and their standards get me riled up anymore. I ain't dealing with them and don't plan on it. Let those weirdos drown in their sorrows for not getting what they want

chrrmin · 2024-07-22T05:03:35+00:00

I pay when i take a woman out, but if you want to split the bill, literally just say you're splitting the bill when the wait staff is bringing the bills. If they didnt bring anything to pay for their meal, not your problem

TJL1982 · 2024-07-22T05:06:51+00:00

You want 'equal rights' this also means you pay your bill. Cant be independant without the cost associated with said independence?

kaisear · 2024-07-22T05:38:09+00:00

There's a term "pussie for Gucci" that sums up modern dating scene.

bootybanditttz · 2024-07-22T06:31:02+00:00

I agree with save your cookie cuz dudes got trump hands & women shouldn’t need to pursue or prove their worth. For the upset women that are frustrated I get it. But the rest ain’t really helping

noor12a · 2024-07-22T06:46:16+00:00

Delicious_Cancel_520 · 2024-07-22T09:13:53+00:00

I rather pay escorts for my entire life

gunsngatos · 2024-07-22T12:30:52+00:00

Lmao first date we split the bill. He was going through a rough financial time and I went through one myself some years ago so I was understanding. 4 years later we’re married and he brings in much more than I do and I have my dream life. These “manifestos” are comical.

uknowuknow · 2024-07-22T14:06:39+00:00

Why does the last one look like a mugshot lol

clarenceappendix · 2024-07-22T14:37:19+00:00

Is that an uncooked egg yolk???

amodernmodder · 2024-07-22T15:00:10+00:00

When did cheech Marin grow his hair out?

CareFun8400 · 2024-07-22T15:00:56+00:00

What to do when she says she has a bodycount bigger than 5, she is young, and you sure she is not good for long term? That would be a good post.

150dreamteamrockblok · 2024-07-22T15:20:46+00:00

I bet you she has a man that provides those🤣🙏🏽

AbysmalDescent · 2024-07-22T15:33:10+00:00

If anything, posts like this just demonstrate how much privilege women have when it comes to dating, when they can openly demonstrate these kinds of sexist, manipulative and idiot attitudes and still be taken seriously or find dates.

Sherry_Shriver · 2024-07-22T18:14:17+00:00

Sick

Im-A-Scared-Child · 2024-07-22T18:27:48+00:00

Yeah walkout and I'm still not paying and I'm giving the cops your name and address

AnalysisHonest9727 · 2024-07-22T21:09:21+00:00

Her videos has an average of 200 views, which are just people or bots stumbling through. She doesnt represent any group worth talking about

AmbitionOfTruth · 2024-07-22T23:11:41+00:00

Pro tip: go MGTOW

Pretty-Fan-6682 · 2024-07-23T02:58:33+00:00

Cat lady

Darth2438 · 2024-07-23T03:42:51+00:00

These are the type of women who have the highest standards... Must own 3 cars, a big house and yard, must make no less that $200000 be 6'8"....if that's the case you'll die alone. No man wants to be with you. A relationship goes both ways, "hey I don't have much for this bill, can you get it and I'll get it next time for both of us, or go dutch. Communication is the key factor in any relationship, without it, it's doomed. If you go on a date for a free dinner and ghost someone, you're the scum of the earth and I hope you remain single the rest of your life. You want equal rights when it only suits you, you can't pick and choose what's equal and what isn't.

So glad I have the one for me, she treats me like I'm a King and I treat her with spoils. The little things matter, not a gift of a car or a big house, those come in time, but the little things mean more than you know. Making her coffee and breakfast in the morning, taking her out to dinner or just a long and lovely walk goes very far.

Fickle_Ad_2825 · 2024-07-23T05:53:43+00:00

Strong independent feminists are so weak that they can't even pay for themselves, and justifications given to practice this stupidity are hilarious

Ok-Team-4704 · 2024-07-23T13:39:20+00:00

To befair though, man or woman, usually whoever invites pays. I'm straight and I've paid for men and women that I've invited and both men and women who've invited me have sometimes paid too.

It's just a cultural difference.

Sea_Treat7982 · 2024-07-23T15:39:44+00:00

And then flag down the server, tell him or her that you're paying separately, and watch her melt down while you laugh.

DependentEducator701 · 2024-07-24T19:27:57+00:00

So you agree you treat women according to how attractive they are.

Mr_Nothing_Speaks · 2024-07-25T20:46:41+00:00

On behalf of Asians we don't accept her

Snoo82945 · 2024-07-28T13:11:10+00:00

Rubbish, except the second point tbh.

It is common courtesy that the inviting party should pay, in situations where let's say a man has planned a whole date, then he should cover the bill, but if a woman chose the place then she should also chip in

Rionat · 2024-07-21T21:11:25+00:00

If your broke just say so. Lmao

BusEffective9572 · 2024-07-22T10:49:04+00:00

You’ll be shocked to learn she’s selling a membership program. Sounds like she lucked out finding a wealthy guy to sweep her off her feet and out of the instagram cesspool.

In this membership program I teach you how to master the trifecta of Self Concept, Wealth and Love.

You want to become HER - the woman you’ve always envied, looked up to and secretly wish it was you…

1️⃣ Radiant, confident, hot and sexy AF

2️⃣ Making BANK in the most effortless way - become a powerful money magnet + get paid to exist doing what you love!

3️⃣ Pursued, spoiled and wined & dined by your dream, wealthy-provider man

You’ve always wanted to be the woman who had it all...

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bluehorserunning · 2024-07-21T19:41:19+00:00

Much constructive. Very rights.

BusEffective9572 · 2024-07-22T10:46:47+00:00

You can join her “transformative membership program”](https://brenda-lee-c1d3.mykajabi.com/her-membership)

Weird-Mall-9252 · 2024-07-24T17:21:18+00:00

The food looking ugly, I find this going out such a stupid game, I cook meals cleaner and nothing gets wasted.. Women take themselfs way to serious, especial with pushing their Egos and selfh worth with blinblings and overpriced fashion BS and netflix says go on ya great even if ya weight 250 pounds thats sexy and cursing very sexy

vikarti_anatra · 2024-07-29T15:10:07+00:00

Princess treatment? As far as I remember history books, this usually meant "marry people according to best interests of country, as determined by your father, king. no, your opinion does NOT matter. you also have to provide your husband with heirs"

Haunting_Onion_1638 · 2024-10-27T05:24:14+00:00

This shit is wild

ULTI_mato · 2025-09-08T19:20:38+00:00

Ok ok hear me out, crazy idea but…

Stand up, leave, force her to pay

pranavlko · 2024-07-21T19:33:18+00:00

This is what happens when so many men keep shouting "we men, we protector and provider" everywhere.

EmbarrassedFlare · 2024-07-22T09:13:45+00:00

What does this matter when talking about activism for men?

We have bigger peoblems to talk about, lime the rise of the redpill and incels, the falling rates in education, the mutilation of infants, the difficulties of coming forward about rape and DV as a man, etc...

Like, i can find you a man that talks about women the same way as these women, and they would probably be much more.

By talking this way, like in the comments, not only do you isolate your movement from others, especially women, but completely illegitimize the struggles of men.

voidminecraft · 2024-07-21T18:10:26+00:00

It's clearly ragebait, stop falling for such stuff

Guilty_Quality_2440 · 2024-07-22T11:32:49+00:00

What crime did she commit? Why is there a mugshot of her?

Jojothereader · 2024-07-22T03:47:06+00:00

Women will pay and just not go in another date. I do the same.

MikiSayaka33 · 2024-07-21T17:28:52+00:00

I wouldn't know what I would do if someone asked to split the bill, I would be worried about not having enough money though.

That guy proves that they want rich men, not humble and/or broke men.

Edit: I mean enough money to do the split. I would feel bad for not meeting that quota.

Title	You really can’t make this up😂😂😂 (scroll to the end)
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Upvotes	1410
Comments	421
Date	July 21, 2024 4:58 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1e8qvy6/you_really_cant_make_this_up_scroll_to_the_end/
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Comments

5, her strawman comparison is still better than the description of herself