Putting on muscle doesn't make you significantly more confident or attractive if you already fit

wtknight · 2024-05-01T23:27:40+00:00

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HorrorGlass8241 · 2024-05-01T22:44:35+00:00

you did not put 20 pounds of muscle on in 3 months

Acceptable-Truck3803 · 2024-05-01T21:44:52+00:00

If you aren’t blessed with symmetry in the face department, there isn’t too much you can do about it. However a fit/slim face with actual bone structure is better than a circle blob and no neck when it comes to attraction headshots.

Every single person/couple in here looks DRAMATICALLY better with said face gains. Please note not the only thing that comes with attracting a mate, but it plays a HUGE factor.

https://www.boredpanda.com/before-after-weight-loss-face-transformation/

SecondEldenLord · 2024-05-01T21:44:30+00:00

I can confirm. I am a 5'3 dude with an average face and I am hitting the gym 6 times a week for 2 years almost constantly. Now I am a guy gym goers call a "sleeper", which means you cannot tell that I workout underneath all my clothes but I actually look very shredded without my shirt and really good with a tight shirt. But I live in England, so me wearing tight T-shirts are very rare. Now I do feel more confident in my body and I love my body more now but it really didn't bring me any girls in my life, it did brought me gym bros though, lol. There is no gym for your face or height unfortunately and those are the things girls will notice first.

FreitasAlan · 2024-05-01T23:11:42+00:00

There’s an optimal point after which you get diminishing or even negative returns. Probably around 12% body fat and a reasonable amount of lean mass and that’s it. You need to work on something else.

tomundrwd · 2024-05-02T01:35:01+00:00

Muscles are less important than height and face but they do make a noticeable difference if you actually look impressive.

It should be fairly obvious, but a lot of dudes for some reason take the advice as 'go to the gym' and not 'achieve an impressive physique', as if simply going to the gym will make a solid difference regardless of the final result- Post your physique, I guarantee you don't look particularly impressive after a few months, and no way you put on 20lbs of LEAN mass, those are the kind of results you get from running a cycle. Achieve a body like this and you will notice a positive effect on your attraction assuming you don't have really bad genetics elsewhere.

Steakman1 · 2024-05-01T21:35:42+00:00

There is no gym for your face.

Losing fat will also take fat off your face. Which then will often result in a more defined jaw. And defined jawlines make men more attractive.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2024-05-01T22:23:35+00:00

Only 13 Percent of American men actually are physically fit. Not jacked or shredded: just fit.

Getting in shape puts you above 87 percent of men in America. And no “skinny fat” or scrawny doesn’t mean FIT either.

And so if you are in the 13 percent and can’t close then bruh,

Hatespanch · 2024-05-01T22:09:01+00:00

Face and height

qwertyuduyu321 · 2024-05-01T23:52:02+00:00

Putting on muscle doesn't make you significantly more confident or attractive if you already fit

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Purple_Cruncher_123 · 2024-05-01T21:52:49+00:00

Well sure, you passed the threshold of physique. Once you've passed, having more isn't going to do much for you. An A is an A, whether you scored 94% or 99%.

If you have 6 classes, having an A+ in one isn't going to overcome a D- in another, your overall GPA will still get dragged. It sounds like you believe you've done everything you reasonably can on the physical front (not my place to say yes or no, you know you best), so time to focus on other non-physical coursework.

Glass_Bucket · 2024-05-02T12:48:10+00:00

It’s not about muscle, it’s about low body fat percentage

PixelizedPlayer · 2024-05-01T22:16:50+00:00

Guys care more about muscle than women do.

The ideal physique for women typically is just an average guy within a healthy weight range, muscles holds little impact on mate selection for women. Height however is the only physical attribute that has a strong correlation to desirability as does having a deep voice to some degree. Not even chiseled jawlines or symmetrical faces increase correlation in any significant way. A very chiseled jawline can have a negative impact since women perceive it as a threatening. Most women considered that "giga chad" depiction are not attractive when polled.

Reality is women do not see men the same way men see women in terms of how we measure attraction in the physical domain.

I agree lifting is good advice, but it's not good advice if you're doing it to get women thats kind've a loser mentality. You should do it for yourself.

TSquaredRecovers · 2024-05-01T21:54:58+00:00

From a woman's perspective, I agree. I do think that being a healthy weight and reasonably active is very important, but the over-emphasis on getting super jacked seems unnecessary.

And from having conversations with female friends and acquaintances, as well as reading/participating in female-centered forums, the general consensus is that facial attractiveness is the most important physical feature that women are interested in. I know this is an unpopular opinion amongst red pillers/manospherians, though.

Love-Is-Selfish · 2024-05-01T22:46:27+00:00

Depends on the person. Also, for girls that prefer guys with more muscle, then it will make you more physically attractive to them.

YtBlue · 2024-05-02T02:34:28+00:00

toned muscles. So I put on 20 lbs in a few months

You didn't put 20lbs of muscle on in a few months. Try going to the gym for 3-5 years then say it. As a steroid user and long term gym goer, the gym makes a lot of difference. Especially in the quality of women(lookswise)

FebruaryEightyNine · 2024-05-02T07:48:01+00:00

Lol you legit trying to convince me you put on 20lbs of pure muscle in a few months.

Lol show some pics (hell, I'll even show some of my own to make it fair). So many of you dudes are completely full of shit. I'm willing to bet cash you didn't put on no damn 20lbs of muscle and you're probably not standing out physically either.

Spicy_take · 2024-05-02T01:59:49+00:00

Then you’re not big enough yet

Legitimate_Reply_537 · 2024-05-02T02:42:01+00:00

Putting on muscle to attract women is a bit of a meme.

pence_secundus · 2024-05-02T06:32:34+00:00

Hard disagree, maybe you put on a little bit of muscle but not enough to get the real benefits.

I turned myself from average to fitness model physique over the course of 18 months, I'm talking abs and every muscle visible.

I went from ~5 tinder matches a month to 40 tinder matches a day and it led me down the path of ultimately finding my true love.

justforlulz12345 · 2024-05-02T14:35:36+00:00

20 lbs of fat maybe. 😂 tell me you don’t lift without telling me you don’t lift.

Unless of course you tren hard

BlueParsec · 2024-05-02T21:19:35+00:00

Reading your comments about the way you worked out, slept, etc, whatever you did was not going to improve your physique.

Assuming you had toned muscles. You're looking at .5-1% of body weight in MUSCLE gain per month. So if you're 200lbs, You may have gained at most 6lbs of muscle in 3 months. Given that you went days without sleep i seriously doubt you gained that much.

So most of what you gained is fat. Yes I'm sure you look bigger but you need a bigger AND lean look to be more attractive.

Also, the whole point is that guys that don't work out and have beer bellies are the ones that are going to see the most benefits. If you're already toned, more muscle won't help much unless you're blowing every one else's physique out of the water.

TheRedPillRipper · 2024-05-01T21:50:43+00:00

in a few months

I’m fairly well versed in training. The number one reason resistance training is so beneficial towards confidence, is because of the increase in physical capacity. In practical, day to day life. Strength, is universally beneficial. For example, I can lift a washing machine. For me, it’s not heavy. That type of strength, is attractive.

Additionally, more women than not, are attracted to a muscular physique. Thus it is far more beneficial to weight train, than not. Even if one derives little to no confidence. The benefits of lifting, far outweigh any reaon not to.

Godspeed and good luck!

Siliconmage76 · 2024-05-01T23:10:26+00:00

The only thing that is going to give a man confidence is compliments from women. External validation.

A built body is more likely to get said positive validation.

Personalix · 2024-05-01T22:33:31+00:00

Just don't be fat or a twink,you notice a difference when you started in one of those points.

SpareSpecialist5124 · 2024-05-02T01:25:25+00:00

I disagree, exercise increases your natural free testosterone, and that's very important to have more confidence/less anxiety, a more masculine posture, and a bunch of other traits that make you look more attractive. But of course, building fake gym muscles isn't the way, but being athletic does wonders for your health, both mental and physical.

KayRay1994 · 2024-05-02T04:11:08+00:00

You wanna be fit - whatever that means for you depends on your body type and goals. ie. a thick muscular build works for me because i naturally have a thicker frame, i’ve tried going skinny before and it did not look good. At the other hand I have a friend with long lanky limbs, building anything other than lean muscle and having an athletic build would look awful on him.

That all being said, don’t work out for the women. Do it for yourself and do it to improve your own life. Your initial motive may be women, but usually a good test to see who keeps up or not is if their motives change, as those who only do it for the women stop if they don’t get the women. (of course, if you do it for the women and are successful, you’ll keep going - but that’s a whole different convo and odds are there is more to it than your physique)

mandoa_sky · 2024-05-02T04:44:41+00:00

i've always believed confidence is an internal thing vs an external thing.

e.g I used to know a guy who thought his own writing skills were amazing, but his ability would have failed him out of the writing class that i was in. And i was one of the lowest performing students in my class at the time - so i knew mine wasn't very good compared to the others.

Zabadoodude · 2024-05-02T06:14:53+00:00

Lowering your body fat makes your face look better, because it makes your bones more pronounced. So there is a "gym for your face". But If you're already toned with a low body fat percentage, putting on a few more pounds of muscle isn't going to do that much. Most men aren't fit, though so hitting the gym is still good advice for most men

AnalSexIsTheBest8-- · 2024-05-02T08:24:50+00:00

I mean, sure? Putting on additional musclemass when you already have a fit physique won't produce any greater increase in confidence and attractiveness, but when we talk about gymnasion and exercises, we usually talk about people who are out of shape. Certainly, a Greek god going to a gym and becoming Schwarzenegger won't experience any greater advantages and will very likely even experience diminishing returns, but we are talking about these bodytypes, not Greek gods.

keepinitreal567 · 2024-05-02T08:28:05+00:00

What you need to do is be confident and successful doing cold approaches! Because when you talk to people in real life and have good lines while doing conversations, you can really succeed and thrive. I remember I talked to girls irl and even when they refused to exchange digits, they still liked my confidence from the body language. I didn't get butthurt and handled the situation really horribly or anything. Cold approach is the way to go because you show your true colors. I have seen people who look like literal Chads or Tyrones and they get easily butthurt about getting rejected due to the fact that they have no game and are boring to be around.

Dating apps can be superificial. You have to either have pics to show that you have a fun lifestyle or be a Chad or a Tyrone. That is a way to succeed.

But i don't recommend Dating Apps as the women there are not high quality personality wise and/or looks wise, but you can do so abroad and be a Passport Bro (but not be a Passport Simp).

Huge_Structure_7651 · 2024-05-02T08:33:19+00:00

A few months? to get an impressive physique it take years of hard work, you cant just go to the gym for a fee months and leave and expect anything

Troublen421 · 2024-05-02T13:07:22+00:00

In general, I noticed no change in attraction signals from when I was skinny (140lbs) to literally having an ideal body (185lbs, 10-12% bodyfat, V taper, 6 pack).

The only change was that women that were attracted to my face were more attracted to me than they would have been before.

Agree with other posters.

Face>Height>>>>>>Everything Else

Evening_Invite_922 · 2024-05-03T00:13:36+00:00

I've gotten ALOT better looking in my face

Willing_Gap_9608 · 2024-05-03T09:19:22+00:00

I guarantee you most of the men who complain on the subreddit are probably in shape gym Bros. My fat ass has nothing to complain about. Funny.

Ashamed-Dot7326 · 2024-05-03T15:34:06+00:00

When I was young I put on ~35 lbs of muscle over 4 years

I agree with this

There was no difference, actually dating got worse because although I had a good V going, my arms and chest were fucking huge (compared to now), my body fat went from 8% -> 12% which makes me look worse

And then you realize how fucking hard it is to keep growing while also having <= 10% BF

The diet / sleep / everything gets really controlled very quickly

Or I could be lean, stay in the 7-9% range, put on maybe 10-15 lbs over 2 years, and just stay like that

If you're 5'9" or taller IMO that's better than putting on even 2% body fat. I'm 6'3" so that was by far the easiest route

The biggest thing is don't be fat, and get status

kochIndustriesRussia · 2024-05-03T16:04:44+00:00

You are mistaken. I've put on about 30 lbs of muscle in the last 4 years and being able to squat more, bench more and run faster/ longer has increased my confidence tremendously.

GridReXX · 2024-05-01T21:33:34+00:00

Rate your face.

Rate your rizz.

TRTGymBro1 · 2024-05-01T21:44:33+00:00

Muscle makes you look better in tailored clothes and naked. It doesn't do anything for confidence. Getting over your fears does though.

Darth_Vade_er · 2024-05-01T22:40:19+00:00

I was both skinny and muscular, and currently skinny (note: I have natural broad shoulders). being muscular didn’t make any difference in my dating life. Unless someone is malnourished or overweight I feel like it won’t make a difference, however your confidence in your body is what makes the difference.

Confidence is the most crucial factor in all life factors, including dating.

ppvremsleep · 2024-05-03T22:29:28+00:00

Big muscles have their appeal to certain types of girls who like that, across the board with women doesn’t help that much.

berichorbeburied · 2024-05-01T21:42:16+00:00

Last time I’m going to explain this here.

Your face has muscles.

So.

There you go.

And fyi I’ve done it before.

And it works.

But I gave up on all these things in my pursuit of love.

But now that I’ve grown up. Im back to self improvement.

So thank you for this post.

Because I almost forgot what I used to do.

Somebody else made this comment. But I legitimately forgot.

So this was Dejavu.

Thank you. Because I was only going to focus on my body.

But now I will expand the reach into totality

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Caicedonia · 2024-05-02T03:36:17+00:00

Well yeah. 20 lbs won’t make much of a difference.

Not unless it’s actually dense muscle along the delts and chest.

GGMcThroway · 2024-05-01T23:35:03+00:00

There is no gym for your face

Grow a beard and get a skincare routine. EZ.

Title	Putting on muscle doesn't make you significantly more confident or attractive if you already fit
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Date	May 1, 2024 9:31 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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