Don't be this guy (RANT)

asd1234red · 2022-02-21T21:08:20+00:00

Dude is this Kyle? Am I the indian guy friend youre talking about. Even if not this shit is a wake up call for me lol

mjornir · 2022-02-21T22:15:59+00:00

I literally had a friend who swam in pussy despite being 5’6” and bald with a nasally voice. He pulled it off because he didn’t give a shit what people thought, he got the most out of life, and he stayed true to himself.

Get off the fuckin Internet and just go appreciate life without expectation. Even if you don’t get laid you’ll still be happy

H8beingmale · 2022-02-21T21:14:22+00:00

so is the incel community only growing, on the rise?

Extra-Boysenberry · 2022-02-21T21:22:38+00:00

You guys ever scrolled through Instagram and see a hot girl post a photo with her boyfriend? Most of the time the guy is either average or even borderline ugly. Sounds like cope, but I seriously used this as motivation my first few months in college. It got me the courage and the “care free” attitude with women. Too many guys really overthink it. I get it, it can be intimidating and awkward. Just have to break the ice.

Calamity__Bane · 2022-02-21T20:25:44+00:00

You’re absolutely right, but you’re preaching to choir here lol.

The-Bull89 · 2022-02-21T20:30:13+00:00

I'm 6'1, shaped beard, good hairline, good physique and above average looks. Never had problems with girls and I'm as introverted as it gets.

Life certainly is on easy mode if your like me.

But I have a friend who's bald, skinny and about 5'8 and he's always dating multiple girls because he approaches loads and has a alot of confidence.

nbh1995 · 2022-02-22T00:02:31+00:00

When I was in the military I had this short friend (around 5'5), my guy had all the girls throwing themselves at him. Super charismatic and confident. Its all about confidence. When I initially came to NA I was very confident and pulled many girls but then I became depressed for stupid reasons like you mentioned...Insecurities are useless....

skatinislife446 · 2022-02-21T21:59:01+00:00

I think it's just these "black pilled" men tend to live in the internet. I really don't hear this kind of talk outside of the internet. Never has a guy told me to my face that women prefer 6ft+ tall dudes with chiseled jawlines, ripped pecs, white, and who treats them like shit... but I hear it all the time online, which is not surprising, what does man who never interacts with women know about what women want?

Go outside, mingle with real people, drop the bitterness and hate that prowls the internet, and go and get to know people in person.

kaurib · 2022-02-21T23:14:12+00:00

Looks like you've struck a chord with the incels in this sub!

Being blackpilled is on the same level of mental gymnastics as believing in a Flat Earth. Truth is, women don't want to talk to you for the same reason why you don't have any real friends. You have a glaringly wretched view of the world, caused by your lack of confidence, low emotional intelligence, and an inability to hold yourself accountable for who you are.

incognito3107 · 2022-02-22T07:18:30+00:00

It's not a lie that girls usually fall for the best male in their social circle, but the magic of reality can prevail such instincts if you will be able to deeply touch her hormones.

InterestingWafer6548 · 2022-02-22T15:24:11+00:00

I think we should honestly give our “stats” on here as guys and bolster each other up when we can. Like some dude on this thread says “I’m 5’7” and skinny, bald, but I’m funny and have nice hair and a good personality” and we all just drown them in complements. Guys don’t do that enough for each other and I think that would go a long way.

theosamabahama · 2022-02-22T01:43:49+00:00

I'm a 27 years old college drop out, currently unemployed and I live with my dad. I'm skinny, pale and have no muscle. The only thing positive about my looks, I guess, is that I have a handsome face, a nice voice and I'm not short. But I'm definitely not Chad looking or financially successful.

However, I still manage to get a good amount of girls. From Tinder and Instagram, to social gatherings and social circles. In 2019 I went on dates with 15 different girls. The pandemic gave a dry spell, as I was stuck at home. But since then, I've been with 5 more different girls. Had sex with almost all of them.

I wasn't always like this. In highschool I was a nerd who never got with any girls, except for one short lived girlfriend. I lost my virginity at 20 years old. Eventually, I was tired of being sexless and decided to finally learn how to talk to girls. I've watched many Todd V videos (the only coach that I've ever seen giving good advice) and put it into practice. I download Tinder and went on date after date. All of them successful.

I also have friends who are short, bald or chubby, who have pretty girlfriends. My short friend (he is shorter than even some girls) is liked by all the girls. All the girls I know are into him, because he is buff, super charming and has good vibes.

Don't let your looks or status (or lack of) demotivate you. As a man, it's not your looks or your money that matter the most. It's your charm, your smooth talk, your conversation skills, flirting skills and, most importantly, your confidence.

b_a_d_r0b0t · 2022-02-22T01:15:03+00:00

Or you know, women can break the ice….. lmao, who am I kidding

Alive-Doughnut2345 · 2022-02-22T06:17:12+00:00

Ultimately this all comes down to whether or not you’re willing to make a move. If you’re more on the average side, don’t expect them to come to you. We HAVE to make the effort

InvestInYourself1 · 2022-02-22T07:51:20+00:00

Because the majority of those dudes...don't have game and get played too. Do you think looks or money is enough? No, these guys still get played. Getting attraction or sleeping with a girl isn't game. It's about the long term. And 90% of these and all dudes for that matter don't have it.

So no, it doesn't really matter — in the sense that there are primarily much more important factors to consider first.

EU-Howdie · 2022-02-22T07:58:55+00:00

Count your blessings ... and everything what is positive on you.

And become REALLY AWARE of it.

That changed my life in a very positive way!

TheUnsecure · 2022-02-22T08:37:56+00:00

I know most of y'all think being charming and having personality

Yes probably that could be true, but if not then this is something that is hard to chnage.

You're probably hella funny and charming with your friends, but forget to be when you are around a girl.

This is much more complex. First most people can't be funny and charming among strangers, then comes the fact that the given person is a girl which raises expectations and on top of all this in some 5head ways you should signal attraction (except if you are aiming for friendzone) and cleverly flirt AND be funny, confident and be yourself.

Just because he's comfortable with himself and isn't afraid of being himself he's able to do this.

Social media makes being confortable with oneself quite hard in this day and age.

I personally have other problems too on top of these for example my hobbies and interests aren't very popular and also >90% male oriented while I also don't care about mainstream stuff.

BigShuggy · 2022-02-22T10:51:36+00:00

As a 6ft white guy with average looks I believe this is true but will have a variable success rate. It really feels like girls standards for looks in 2022 are crazy high. A 6 wouldn’t even breathe the same air as another 6. I think it stems from the fact that a guy will sleep with pretty much anyone. These girls pull these top tier physical specimens for one night and take it as an accomplishment then expect that in the future. Problem is when it comes to girls, the guys you pull aren’t necessarily gonna want a relationship with you cause they can have any girl they want.

OmegaClifton · 2022-02-22T11:48:10+00:00

I'm definitely one of those dudes who gave up. Been focusing on myself more and hoping that gets my confidence back, but man it feels like I'm flailing in the dark sometimes. Have exactly zero experience and I'm late twenties 🤦🏽‍♂️

Ineedanswers6789 · 2022-02-22T12:19:57+00:00

He never actually said he gets girls, he says he knows a guy that gets girls.

I would check your friends bank account because there’s a 7/10 chance he’s paying them.

And your saying the world is too black pilled, if your a 6 and below which is average and normal looking you can’t even hold the door for a woman without her thinking your some type of creep, so how the hell do you expect to show a woman your “personality” and “charm” when they literally won’t give you the time of day. When a woman says things like “confidence” “charm” “personality” she’s really talking about looks(chad) not social skills and height. As long as you aren’t a midget with a good face your in the door, and if you have a good face and poor social skills your then seen as shy in a good cute way. Reverse these things with a bad looking person and you literally become just some short midget and an ugly guy becomes some introverted basement dwelling friendless creepy loner. That’s two examples of personality’s from two perspectives and you tell me which one women would prefer. And this isn’t a post to bash women either because why would they want a relationship with a person they aren’t physically attracted to no matter how good their personality is, I as a 5-6 man would not date down and I wouldn’t expect a woman to date down either, another problem with dating today is that a woman’s perceived value is way too inflated you literally have 1s,2s,3s thinking they are famous instagram celebrities, just imagine how it is once you get to higher numbers like 5s,-8s. And just imagine how many options a woman has it’s crazy the average woman has 100s if not thousands of potential options to date at any one time (you can thank the internet for that)

Ineedanswers6789 · 2022-02-22T00:15:56+00:00

This post is extremely unhelpful. You need to provide some detail about the guy who has success with women. Like how tall, what kind of shape, hairline, and race is he? How does he meet women? Specifically what does he say and do to get with them? You are just too vague beyond just be confident and authentic.

Hunterhunt14 · 2022-02-22T00:22:04+00:00

You need 1 or more of 3 key things to get women consistently: 1: Money or the perception you are financially stable 2. Looks, either by being born good looking or by having a decent physique 3. Personality, usually boils down to at bare minimum being funny and exciting to be around

Problem is most guys don’t have any of those or if they do they don’t have the confidence to outwardly present those things. It take a lot to be confident. It’s so much man bashing that goes around especially on social media it’s had a significant impact on Men’s self esteem in general. It’s hard to overcome that to become confident. Not only that, being funny and entertaining to be around consistently isn’t a walk in the park either most guys are pretty awkward until later in life and by then even if they become confident other factors such as height can significantly impact their dating options. Not to mention it is very true a significant portion women want a man making above average money which most don’t. Studies show women in general prefer a man that makes more than her and with College becoming more and more female centric with its teaching methods and rhetoric it’s become antagonizing towards men in a way to the point 60% of people that enroll in college are women and that number is increasing year by year. It’s not that men in general have become more black pilled, it’s that the media and overall society has shifted towards Uplifting Women by Downing Men. A great example is an article that came out a bit ago that said “Women are having difficulty dating due to the lack of eligible Men” which the main point of “eligibility” was money. That article was peddled on all the women centric shows and essentially praised for its disingenuous coverage of the topic

thriwawaygtft4df · 2022-02-21T23:12:46+00:00

I mean the blackpill stuff isnt wrong in a toxic dating enviornment like a party.

If ur at a party and ur having fun, shes still not gonna sleep with you unless she finds you attractive. Thats how it is.

Women have the power until u get it urself, which can be only be done by working out

Squez360 · 2022-02-22T01:30:06+00:00

But back in the old days women were not consistently looking at attractive men 24/7. There was no down side of looking average. Now the average look skewed because social media changed our perception what average is. In order to look “averagely” attractive nowadays you need to be tall and have wealth.

the_root_of_all_evol · 2022-02-21T21:35:25+00:00

You’ve hit the nail on the head mate

neversleeps212 · 2022-02-22T04:27:56+00:00

The problem is too many guys have an overly narrow view of what it means to be attractive. First attractiveness is more than just appearance. Being funny, passionate about what you, well informed and a good conversationalist, successful, and/or well dressed are all things that can make you more attractive. Second, physical attractiveness doesn’t require you to be 6ft (though that helps) or white. Tom Holland, Justin Bieber, Usher, Mark Wahlberg, and Zac Efron all got famous and rich in part because people though these short kings were physically attractive.

So don’t sell your potential short (pun definitely intended) but also don’t think that you’re just going to fall into pussy living in your mom’s basement. The secret to getting girls is the same basic formula for popularity. You have to be someone who enhances other peoples lives. One of my buddies is about 5’4,” doesn’t work out, and has a thinning head of hair. He does have money and a good job but doesn’t flaunt it although he dresses really well. But he has a hot GF (who’s a little taller than him lol). But the thing about this dude is that he’s just a cool ass dude and a really good guy. He has great taste and knows about cool events and is well traveled and has good taste in food and bars but he’s also someone who just makes you feel good when you talk to him. And their dude is always popular no matter where he goes not because of any innate physical thing but because of who he is.

TooMuchJibberish · 2022-02-21T20:56:10+00:00

Something I've noticed about men of my generation (i'm 25), is that we're way too black pilled. Alot of us believe if we're not a 6 ft plus white guy with a sharp jawline and a bunch of money we're pretty much doomed

All of this is basically true, why do you think all this go to the gym and work on your self stuff comes from? Clearly you have to work out to get better looking if you aren't already 6 foot tall with a nice jawline.

If you aren't genetically gifted, then you have to compensate in other ways like having more muscle and less body fat% on you or having clear skin. Or even plastic surgery.

When in reality, there have always been guys who aren't that attractive and aren't very wealthy that pull girls just by being charming and having a personality.

Right, and this was what 10 years ago maybe? What you described is rare now.

Please don't give up

Lol I think many have made up their minds. You don't think the constant belittlement, rejection or outright humiliation would be something some guys constantly tolerate?

I'd assume eventually they'd hit a breaking point, imagine being outcasted just for a couple millimeters of difference of bone in your face or you height. Things you can't really change, now that's brutal.

the_root_of_all_evol · 2022-02-21T21:36:14+00:00

I’m an attractive woman and I pull NO GUYS because I lack confidence and I’m shy. It’s not about looks y’all 😂

Minute-Lie-2287 · 2022-02-21T22:09:10+00:00

Yes. Relying on excuses ( no accountability), avoiding tribulation, letting others do it for you, whining,....these traits sound familiar..........

Adoption of a lot of feminine behavior has really not done young men any good.

EmrysAllen · 2022-02-21T20:34:31+00:00

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putcoolusernamehere · 2022-02-22T00:33:51+00:00

This is why I like this community. Go almost anywhere else on Reddit, even lots of the extremely popular subs, and you'll find so many defeatist & toxic attitudes about women and dating. r/askmen is in particularly horrible about this. I'll regularly see posts sitting in the >100 upvote range talking about how they never talk to women because they're scared of false rape allegations, how they'll never find somone because they're short or fat or whatever, etc. Literally one guy on there the other day said he unfollowed every single woman on his Instagram because he was swearing off dating because it doesn't work for him. It's just such a toxic mindset these have of blaming women for their own failures in dating. This sub has a mindset of owning up to our shortcomings and trying to improve them or at the very least be confident in spite of them. Keeping an internal locus of control about dating is how you keep yourself from becoming an incel.

DeJuanBallard · 2022-02-22T02:49:32+00:00

This sounds like a girl wrote it. No such thing as being too black pilled or red pilled.

thelambofdeth · 2022-02-21T20:24:19+00:00

Alot of us believe if we're not a 6 ft plus white guy with a sharp jawline and a bunch of money we're pretty much doomed.

Unless you have chit standards, this is true nowadays. OLD, social media, and simps have ruined it for average men. Even just the moderately attractive women demand a Chad now.

joy_collision · 2022-02-21T22:04:05+00:00

Word up.

meltboro · 2022-02-21T22:45:19+00:00

doomed? no. OOL on like 70% of attractive females automatically, yes. You're gonna have to work a hell of a lot harder to find one. The good news is the ones that dont fixate on that stuff are likely better human beings anyway

whatever_man135 · 2022-02-21T20:11:03+00:00

Such a stupid post.

atreav · 2022-02-22T03:36:05+00:00

Yeah man. Girls don't give a flying fuck about appearance. My best friend gets so many girls, he's fat and only 5'8". He has motivated me many times, but i keep acting like a simp, i won't give up and nowadays i stopped simping and being honest around girls.

thediggestbick2 · 2022-02-22T04:19:34+00:00

Haven't heard the word black pill before. Is it still black history month?

Flyguylycan25 · 2022-02-22T04:49:24+00:00

The answer is get of the internet groom and be a man of substance lol become desirable this real world

Alive-Doughnut2345 · 2022-02-22T05:28:20+00:00

Well said great post. I’m not touching the comment section of this with a ten foot pole. Just going to soak in the positivity of the post and be on my way. Thank you sir 🌸

HammertonMili · 2022-02-22T06:48:32+00:00

First step to the never giving up attitude is to accept the fact that white guys will have some sort of advantage (not to be political but let’s be honest here) the advantage only comes in looks, but surely, personality comes in heavy next. My friends and I are guilty of having such “privilege (no pun, I swear), but I’ve seen most bore out girls in mere minutes until they’re ghosted

skinticket02 · 2022-02-22T08:06:29+00:00

This mindset only exists on the internet.

aerosmith760 · 2022-02-21T23:20:35+00:00

Wish I could meet you’re friend, sounds like a lot of the same stuff I’m going through

Dakessian · 2022-02-22T00:32:14+00:00

Same. It helps to pretend to already know them

FanAccomplished5807 · 2022-02-22T01:29:50+00:00

I definitely can relate to what you saying bruh

friendly-asshole · 2022-02-22T06:39:20+00:00

Rogger?

stopwastingmytime81 · 2022-02-22T09:39:56+00:00

Can confirm.

BaronKruento · 2022-02-22T14:24:18+00:00

Men uglier than me get dates. Men that are worse people than me get dates. Men in worse shape than me get dates. Men poorer than me get dates. Men dumber than me get dates. And I'm happy for them, and it should be encouraging. But I don't get any.

This is an important, well written reminder, but I sometimes feel exhausted and jealous, even though I know it's not the right mindset.

Goulronk · 2022-02-22T15:15:19+00:00

Not sure, it's really disheartening doing everything you can to improve yourself and your life only to be never be considered attractive by women.

You start to think what exactly makes you different from all the good looking guys who are attractive enough to be with women.

I remember a while back when someone on a sub talked to me about male genes and that some men will not be enough to have their genes be passed on.

I often wonder if my genes simply don't make the cut for women given that circumstance.

2022-02-22T15:17:15+00:00

I think it's funny how many guys don't get girls, just because they don't put themselves out there.
It's obviously a case of courage, like you mentioned. But there's some propagation that it's hard to talk to girls, maybe it's fueled from childhood insecurities and so on, social media or whatever. But more guys need to hear things like these, and just put themselves out there.

Low_Fondant9911 · 2022-02-22T17:50:45+00:00

I have no idea why "white guy" made it into this post. Are you implying nearly all women are racist or that everyone's ideal is a white guy? Weird

FerrisMcFly · 2022-02-22T18:21:10+00:00

I think this is a much larger problem in society outside of seduction and dating. And just guys.

Im seeing young people as a whole giving up way to easily. There is this growing lack of personal accountability and Im seeing relatively young people (under 30) resigned to their fate so to say. I see that people think that any improvements in life is impossible. People give up on losing weight, making money, following their goals.. etc etc. I see people not even trying and claiming things are impossible or that the "system" is holding them down. A much broader issue in society than trying to pick up girls. Its everywhere.

grapefruits_getyouhi · 2022-02-22T21:16:10+00:00

Bro, grass is greener where you water it. I’m a 6’7 white guy with a good job and I’ve got self confidence issues, my insanely long legs make my dick look small, people stare at me in public because of my height.

You gotta just detach from the societal need to be the upper echelon of class and better the things you can, the things you are in control of & take time to do the things you love to do, that’s what girls love, someone who knows themselves enough to have things they are passionate about and respect their passions. It shows healthy growth and that’s one of the most attractive qualities you can have as it projects, you don’t have to put on a front anymore it’s just you

CarsonWentzisnotit · 2022-02-23T03:14:17+00:00

I will talk about the white part. It’s not that if you’re not white you cannot get any girls, I’ve had plenty. But as a black man and a good looking one at that I know I would have more success if I was white.

I hit on girls and it’s like pulling teeth. I see a guy who’s shorter, less in shape, not as good looking, balding or a poor conversationalist and they will get a girl talking to them with interest with little to not effort.

Like I wonder always how it is to be white.

At the moment I am at a party hostel in Mexico and I am seeing these girls gravitate to the most boring and plain white guys and it feels bad as fuck. I have to be exceptional and they just have to be average, if that, and white.

Title	Don't be this guy (RANT)
Author	anoyingprophet
Upvotes	603
Comments	222
Date	February 21, 2022 8:05 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
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