"I need feminism because on the women’s website I write for, too many men comment to tell me I’m wrong."

EpicJ · 2012-07-30T16:34:21+00:00

Man, a lot of these are just "I need feminism because I have issues." Most of said issues stemming from absolutely nothing gender related.

gingerkid1234 · 2012-07-30T16:28:57+00:00

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rogersmith25 · 2012-07-30T17:02:25+00:00

Many (most?) of the posts on this site are related to body image:

I don't feel pretty.
I don't like being told to be pretty.
I get too much attention when I dress sexy.
People comment that I'm attractive.
People comment that I'm not attractive.

I think that feminism has had the paradoxical effect of increasing attention on women's bodies. Pre-feminist societies generally have some standard of modesty in clothing and appearance that limits excessive focus on women's appearance. Pre-feminist societies also have unique female roles that are considered valuable to society and attractive to men regardless of a woman's appearance. For example, a plain but robust woman who could work hard on the farm doing all the domestic work was a valuable wife, as the old photos of my battle-axe Irish peasant female ancestors testify.

In feminist societies, the primary thing that distinguishes women from men is their appearance. This channels women's mating energies and male attention into their appearance, as they have few other unique female roles or attributes to attract a mate. It is no accident that female careerism, sexual liberation, the growth of the fashion and cosmetic industries have grown together, as exemplified by the pages of Cosmopolitan magazine.

Trotrot · 2012-07-30T16:05:15+00:00

A moment of honesty

edit: holy shit there is literally thousands of entries.

edit2 : I just thought of a constructive activity , we try and find two types of posts: Let's find the good reasons to be a feminist inversely let's also point to the wrong reasons to be a feminist

rogersmith25 · 2012-07-30T17:35:55+00:00

My bad finds so far , still looking for positive reasons :

I'm struggling here , where are the good feminists

edit: Found one This is actually a really touching photo because she has good intentions but is relying on the wrong premises to propagate the message. It's like she's unintentionally calling out feminism

ButterMyBiscuit · 2012-07-30T16:47:09+00:00

"Instead of defending myself with logic and thought-out arguments, I will write whatever I want and call any male who disagrees a sexist. Thanks feminism!"

rogersmith25 · 2012-07-30T17:21:07+00:00

Somebody needs to tell this dude that he chose the wrong team.

Feminism is the one promoting the idea that all men are perverts, not us.

Jacksambuck · 2012-07-30T16:11:49+00:00

Oppressed by dissent.

I think India has DV laws that list something like "contradicting her" as abuse.

http://www.498a.org/dvfaq.htm

rogersmith25 · 2012-07-30T17:35:49+00:00

This one confuses the point about consent and intoxication

Nobody ever said that No doesn't mean "No" while a woman is drunk. It's that a "Yes" given while drunk can be turned into a "No" at any point afterwards.

Nobody would blame a woman for being drunk and being raped while saying "no".

And legally speaking, she carries no blame if she said "yes" and changed it to a no, if she had been drinking. And the man who accepted the "yes" in good faith would have his life destroyed. That is the problem that MRAs have with blame, intoxication, and sexual assault.

Mitschu · 2012-07-30T17:18:29+00:00

I need feminism because every single time I defend my opinions in POLITICS I am told that my opinion does not matter because I am a Female (By my own mother!)

... ._. Sounds to me like you need to stop bringing your bitch of a mother along to "every single time" you debate. Not feminism.

louis_xiv42 · 2012-07-30T17:19:44+00:00

I need Communism because too many Capitalists tell me I'm wrong. /s

bartonar · 2012-07-30T17:51:14+00:00

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alphabitch · 2012-07-30T17:29:31+00:00

I need feminism because we are all fundamentally equal. Men could not exist without women just as women could not exist without men. Due to this simple fact, neither sex should be held superior. it is time to break all barriers that rest between. Men and women both have the right to explore what society deems “masculine” and “feminine” without being judged. If a woman prefers to let her body hair grow, so be it. If a man enjoys ballet, there’s nothing wrong with that. We are all human being alike. Stop dividing us with stereotypical gender roles. We are one. It is time the world treats us that way.

If this is your view of feminism, stop calling yourself a feminist and call yourself an Egalitarianist.

Falkner09 · 2012-07-30T20:14:18+00:00

I need feminism because I have never been able to believe a single person who told me I was beautiful.|

that's unfortunate, but that's a personal problem of self esteem. I just don't think this is an issue of gender equality.

You know, I've been doing some reading about PTSD. people who have it are so harmed, so psych scarred by their trauma, they start to see it everywhere they go, even though it's not present. They get reminded of it by things that aren't even similar, because certain people's minds simply can't recover from trauma as well as others. And I'm starting to wonder if there might be something similar happening to a portion of those involved in some social movements. not just feminism, I think I might see evidence elsewhere, but this might be a low grade example of the same inability to cope.

think about it. lots of people feel unattractive, its a normal response, and its upsetting, but most can deal. but this girl, and a few others, seems to think fighting the patriarchy is the answer. unable to stop fixating, they just can't cope. they can't escape it, they feel oppressed. and this has now adapted into a movement, seeing beauty as a form of oppression and dominance.

this would explain why rape is often seen as an issue of gender equality by some feminists, something that's caused by a patriarchal society that trains men to control women with their penis as a weapon. when really, it's often the result of a man who's psychologically damaged or otherwise mentally flawed, probably for other reasons we simply don't understand. a man who has a strong desire for an unacceptable predatory act, but he can't shake the desire, so he either learns to not care, or invents rationalizations in his head for what he does.

once you have trauma that severe, you tend to see it everywhere, even places it doesn't exist. A great example is Andrea Dworkin, the anti porn crusader that claimed porn caused rape and child sex abuse. She was basically a cripple late in her life due to osteoarthritis, and famously blamed her poor health on having been sexually abused: "I blame the drug-rape that I experienced in 1999 in Paris." of course, there's no connection between rape and osteoarthritis. it's a bone and joint disease.

victims, or those that are afraid of being victims, then come to be so traumatized that they see their trauma everywhere, and since society is male dominated they see their rape trauma/fear as a result of, or inherent in, this male domination.

rogersmith25 · 2012-07-30T18:06:33+00:00

Something tells me that it isn't "a lack of feminism" that is holding them back from their future reserch [sic] career.

2012-07-30T16:55:50+00:00

Hilarious.

rogersmith25 · 2012-07-30T17:19:48+00:00

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2012-07-30T18:00:50+00:00

I need feminism because on the women's website I write for, too my many men comment to tell me I'm wrong.

No, that's because of feminism! More feminism is only going to make her even more wrong!

muchachomalo · 2012-07-30T18:45:24+00:00

This seems like what we brought up before about just talking about shit crazy feminist say. I understand everybody like to have their beliefs reinforced but this is a discussion on men rights. Not a feminist bashing place.

Hach8 · 2012-07-30T17:03:02+00:00

What is this a Jezebel writer?

Falkner09 · 2012-07-30T19:37:50+00:00

I don't understand. How does she expect to accomplish a sociopolitical goal without engaging and debating those who disagree? that's the whole point, to stop a practice by convincing those who support it to stop, through debate and discussion.

I care about ending involuntary circumcision. I can't expect to do this without arguing with its promoters to debunk their points and arguments. So I do so often. I dont like it, but that's how activism is.

paints_reality · 2012-07-30T22:29:43+00:00

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ThePigman · 2012-07-31T01:25:29+00:00

I need feminism because without it life wouldn't be as funny.

manhater · 2012-07-30T18:32:26+00:00

I think we should all submit photos like they are, saying "I need feminism because I need to be demonized and condemned for being born with a penis."

rightsbot · 2012-07-30T16:00:17+00:00

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2012-07-30T20:10:08+00:00

Her hand is scary.

cthulufunk · 2012-07-30T23:53:26+00:00

Someone should turn this into a videogame...

"I need feminism because feminism needs me".

CIRCULAR LOGIC BONUS!

"I need comrade Stalin because comrade Stalin needs me".

YOU'RE ON FIRE!

Sarkeesian Cell 4, by EA Games.

Veloqu · 2012-07-30T17:24:40+00:00

Stop posting petty bullshit and focus on actual issues. This is the EXACT same thing that so many on this sub bitch that feminists do.

ImperialAgent · 2012-07-30T16:40:24+00:00

Umm what?

"I need feminism because around 2,000 women die every ear in Brazil from Illegal and unsafe abortion"

that makes no sense

George_Sodini · 2012-07-30T19:45:34+00:00

Her reasoning = "Someone disagrees with me??? It must be one of those filthy MEN!!!"

rbcrusaders · 2012-07-30T20:10:58+00:00

This site is filled with morons and victims.

2012-07-30T20:00:39+00:00

Time for her to put comments on mod approved or disabled.

2012-07-30T20:40:13+00:00

what does it matter what sex you are? It seems unfair to me that she would just dismiss someones opinion based on gender.

Instead fo having mens rights sub reddits and feminist sub reddits we should just have an equal rights sub reddit.

Surely having all the men in one camp and all the women in another camp, all rooting for the same goal, equal rights, then why the seperation, to only care about mens or womans rights indivdualy just makes it look like you are trying to further the rights of your own gender without consideration of the other, or somthing similar.

Surely the very idea of mens rights or feminism is counter intuitive, there should be 1 movement, the equal rights movement, consisting of men and women.

I don't have beef with either feminism or mens rights considering they are both demanding equal rights, but surely doing this seperately is the wrong way to go about it.

Yes extreme activists will argue, but extreme points of view that are only interested in maintaining/furthering ones own sex is in it's self sexist.

2012-07-31T01:14:02+00:00

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2012-07-31T16:39:32+00:00

"I need people to tell me I'm right and agree with me, not people that have different opinions or other points of view"

roboswarz · 2012-08-17T04:08:19+00:00

I need feminism because I have a vagina

2012-07-30T18:32:58+00:00

Actually, I think that a lot of these are very good.

OP just found the silliest one...

stestephe · 2012-07-30T18:05:36+00:00

I need feminism because I want to see fatherless children raised as obedient drones by the gov't "experts," children who will be trained to do all the work for me and who will be so dumbed-down by "theories" they will never figure out I'm robbing them blind. Feminism, the Oligarch's best friend. You better give this a thumbs up or I tell Janet Napolitano you are a racist, a sexist, an extremist or whatever.

LxRogue · 2012-07-30T19:25:21+00:00

Lol. Do you guys honestly think the exact converse of that can't be said about this subreddit?

Nissespand · 2012-07-30T22:53:55+00:00

We are people, stop acting like we dont know what is going on. Everyone fears irrationality, and many many issues arise due to the fact that some people are still acting like dirtbags...

Title	"I need feminism because on the women’s website I write for, too many men comment to tell me I’m wrong."
Author	PostPatriarchalMan
Upvotes	243
Comments	371
Date	July 30, 2012 3:58 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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