Q4M: What are some feminist views you hold?

MalePsychopath · 2023-11-22T17:55:06+00:00

I agree with all 5.

Also, I think:

There are significant differences between men and women but, overall, they are more similar than different. Supported by psychological research btw.
I understand that gender roles have a biological basis but I wouldn’t be upset if they all completely disappeared tomorrow.

AdEffective7894s · 2023-11-22T16:34:52+00:00

yes. its only fair
yes. for better or for worse
yes. Its is a net good and gives them the ability to leave bad situations
Depends. Unprovoked? yes. Women coming at you with malicious intent? take her down.
yes. but no more scholarships. they have had a good run.

i thought this was gonna be difficult

mvnnyvevwofrb · 2023-11-22T20:10:20+00:00

I don't mean to sound cynical, but I think it would be very difficult to find someone that didn't hold these views. Even among "red-pillers".

Modern feminism has nothing whatsoever to do with equal rights or equal opportunities. Women already are equal in society.

caption291 · 2023-11-22T17:15:05+00:00

1.Women should have EQUAL opportunities...that means they get the same opportunities...not all the opportunities men have + opportunities only women have. That's unequal. I understand that in reality certain things are a little more complex than that but an advantage in one area should result in a disadvantage in another and vice versa.

To vote, men have to sign up for selective services, that is the opportunity given to men. I don't believe it would make sense for us to disrespect women's bodily autonomy in that way.
sure, as long as women don't get preferential treatment in the process.
Violence against women is not any more or less wrong than violence against men.
sure, as long as women don't get preferential treatment in the process.

peteypete78 · 2023-11-22T16:33:30+00:00

Women should have equal opportunities?

Sure

Women should be allowed to vote?

Sure

Women should be allowed to enter the workforce?

Sure

Violence against women is wrong?

That is true, but their attitude on the opposite is a problem.

Women should be allowed to pursue higher education?

Sure

Sounds more like you're hunting for replies from trads not RP.

Mobrowncheeks · 2023-11-22T18:39:09+00:00

I believe in intersectional feminism.

Lovers691 · 2023-11-23T01:10:40+00:00

I agree with all of them

Friedrich_Friedson · 2023-11-23T12:11:56+00:00

Women should have equal opportunities?

Women should be allowed to vote?

Women should be allowed to enter the workforce?

Violence against women is wrong?

Women should be allowed to pursue higher education?

Litterallly who the hell except deranged fascists is against any of these?

WanabeInflatable · 2023-11-22T17:25:56+00:00

Women should have equal opportunities, there should be no discrimination by gender, housekeeping efforts should be shared equally, just as the reproductive work. We should strive for society with no gender roles, there should be no slutshaming and victim blaming. Rape is indeed underreported. Misogyny is a horrible and widespread problem.

But.

Feminists that I meet here also deny misandry, claim that gender discrimination is one directional (men can't be systemically discriminated), downplay men's issues and actively demonize men.

I like feminist ideas, but I'm at odds with some feminists.

KayRay1994 · 2023-11-22T17:49:31+00:00

Most of my beliefs align with feminism, for example I do believe that we are in a patriarchy and in rape culture (even though i disagree with the specific terminology, what they’re actually saying is true) + i do think the male gaze kinda takes hold and that system we’re a part of (capitalism) primarily values masculine traits (ie. competition) - of course, there is a huge element of class involved, in that rich men are who primarily benefit from patriarchy, capitalism, etc

That being said, I don’t call myself a feminist - mostly because the label takes away from the overall debate, and frankly, I don’t like being associated with male feminists

bifewova234 · 2023-11-22T19:42:02+00:00

The point where I agree with feminism is the belief in equality as between the sexes. The point where I disagree with feminism is the prioritization of combating sexism when women are at the receiving end of it. This gender-based prioritization is incompatible with a belief in gender equality and it is why I regard feminism as fundamentally flawed from a logical standpoint.

63daddy · 2023-11-22T16:21:25+00:00

I believe in equal rights and non discrimination, so I’m all for the 19th amendment, equal pay act, etc. I’d supposed the ERA.

This of course also means I disagree with the many ways feminism has fought to advantage women and disadvantage men such as WEEA, AA for women, women owned business advantages, biased child custody, women only healthcare advantages, denying accused college men due process procedures, etc.

Added: Polls show whole few identify with feminism, most people support gender equality. Clearly most people understand feminism and equal rights are not the same thing:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/feminism-poll_n_3094917

No-Rough-7390 · 2023-11-22T16:13:02+00:00

Women have just as much agency as men and should be held equally accountable for their actions.

There should be, in some way, something put in place to balance the power involved in the decision to have children. Not sure if that would be financial abortion but after conception something to equal that out.

meisterkraus · 2023-11-22T18:12:58+00:00

I can agree to 1,2,3, and 5. 4 is too general. Violence should not be used on people that are not using violence on you. If a woman hits a man he is free to hit her back.

zoxzoxzo · 2023-11-22T18:54:29+00:00

Although I am not 100% red pilled, I lean somewhat more in that direction. So to answer your questions, 100% yes to 1, 2, 3, 5. Although remember, equal is the key word to be applied to all answers.

Question 4 really depends on the situation. Unprovoked violence against anyone is wrong, so that counts women as well. Although I am not the type of a person who would be violent towards women even if I was the one being assaulted, I think that if a woman hits a man, she should expect to get hit back and that is Ok.

I was actually an avid supporter of feminism in the past, but as years went by and as I saw what feminism became today, I grew to despise it completely.

helpadudeout9 · 2023-11-22T20:59:35+00:00

Women should have equal opportunities?
1. Of course. But perhaps not EXTRA opportunities or mandates?
Women should be allowed to vote?
1. Of course, the contrary is extreme.
Women should be allowed to enter the workforce?
1. Of course, the contrary is extreme.
Violence against women is wrong?
1. Of course, the contrary is extreme.
Women should be allowed to pursue higher education?
1. Of course, the contrary is extreme.

I consider myself a "traditional" feminist, but not a "modern feminist". I think we should acknowledge general biological differences and tendencies. I find that many modern/extreme feminists cherry pick a lot of things to victimize themselves and choose to not acknowledge where inequalities greatly favor them. I'm all about equal opportunity, but you can't mandate equal outcome.

lolthankstinder · 2023-11-22T17:39:11+00:00

Keep in mind that “I think women should be able to vote” and “I think marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice” are both technically feminist views. What you are describing is more accurately described as women’s rights. One can critique feminism or feminist views without being against women’s rights or equality.

I strongly believe in equal expectations of childcare. There’s tons of research on the importance of fathers so I’m against any attempts to try to eliminate the need for and importance of fathers in marriage and child care. I also think that women continue to heavily judge men for protector-provider qualities. Many women claim to care about caretaker qualities but they can’t find a guy because they’re actually looking for a protector-provider-caretaker. More average and lower attaining men don’t really have much incentive to become caretakers if women aren’t going to truly value them for that anyways.

KingWhoCared86 · 2023-11-22T17:45:37+00:00

I would want women to have all of those points. I wouldn’t want a society where anyone has an unfair advantage over another.

Proudvow · 2023-11-23T09:20:21+00:00

I have no feminist views.

Everyone should have equal opportunities and responsibilities.

Everyone should be allowed to vote after signing up for the draft.

Everyone should be allowed to enter the workforce based purely on their personal merits.

Violence is equally wrong against everyone.

Everyone should be allowed to pursue higher education and given the same help to do so.

I seem to break away from feminists on all the italicized points. And I refuse to phrase these things as "women should X" since I give no special fucks about women.

abaxeron · 2023-11-22T17:09:22+00:00

I'm curious for red pilled men, are there any views or opinions you hold that people might view as feminist?

Yes.

The government shall make no law respecting an establishment of conscription into mandatory military service, or registry for such service, for only one sex.

Women should have equal opportunities?

No. "Equal opportunities" make as much sense as equal shoe sizes. You can only maximize a person's potential by providing them opportunities fit for their potential. Men require more protein-rich food, physical exercise, and slightly lower room temperatures to stay alive and healthy. By forcing men and women into the same environment, nothing will be achieved but making it worse for both.

Women should be allowed to vote?

As long as a woman is either in active military reserve, or registered within selective service system, I see no issue with her voting for a supreme military commander.

Women should be allowed to enter the workforce?

Since the opposite has literally never happened, I don't see how this question makes sense.

Violence against women is wrong?

Disagree. "Behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something" is justified if this someone or something is acting on intention to hurt, damage, or kill me. Would such a situation arise, I will not waste precious seconds to estimate and assess their gender identity.

Women should be allowed to pursue higher education?

Since the opposite has literally never happened, I don't see how this question makes sense.

SwishWolf18 · 2023-11-22T16:39:36+00:00

⁠yeah. They should be allowed to work and stuff if somebody wants to hire them.
⁠no. I don’t believe in democracy as a good on its own. I want less government and women tend to vote for more government. If there was a law that said only libertarians could vote I would support it. There are obviously flaws in this policy that people will focus on while ignoring the flaws of democracy.
⁠yeah if they want.
⁠yes, initiating violence against anyone is wrong.
⁠yes, if they want.

SlowEffective8146 · 2023-11-22T18:40:40+00:00

Women should have equal opportunities?

Yes

Women should be allowed to vote?

Yes

Women should be allowed to enter the workforce?

Yes, however with the caveat that more people entering the workforce = higher supply so lower demand and then employers use this to pay everyone (men and women) less.

Violence against women is wrong?

Yes

Women should be allowed to pursue higher education?

Yes

MotleyCrew1989 · 2023-11-23T04:49:27+00:00

1) yes, but remember that it doesnt mean equality of outcome

2) considering how the majority of women vote left, I have my reservations.

3) their entrance to the workforce is one of the main factors that allowed the declive in salaries values, because they basically doubled the supply of candidates for job positions. At this point its not something we can revert back, the damage is done.

4) only when they are a danger to others. On the other hand, I think some women are asking to be slapped when they seem unable to let something go and bust their partners balls until they finally explode. Some women should start learning not to drive someone absolutely crazy.

5) yes, as long as we aply point no1, no more help for women regarding scholarships.

babazuki · 2023-11-22T17:13:51+00:00

Feminists fought for all of those things so that women could survive on their own. Those things allow women the choice to be single.

That's great for them. Women deserve that choice.

But none of it helps relationships. It just helps women be single.

Civil rights doesn't translate to relationships because relationships aren't a right. You can't make men care about any of that stuff in the context of a relationship.

As far as marriage goes for instance, it was perfect the way it was set up by the patriarchy. Women don't need to get educated or work for the marriage to be successful. It's usually no problem if they do, but it can hurt a relationship if becomes too much of a focus.

AbsolutelyNobody0 · 2023-11-22T18:58:15+00:00

Women should have equal opportunities?

No.

Women should be allowed to vote?

No.

Women should be allowed to enter the workforce?

Yes.

Violence against women is wrong?

No.

Women should be allowed to pursue higher education?

Yes.

I could go into detail on all of these, but I find it more amusing to leave it as is.

tired_hillbilly · 2023-11-22T20:36:09+00:00

Yeah.
No. But neither should men. Nobody should be allowed to vote; I'm pro-monarchy. Is that feminist or not?
Allowed yes, encouraged no.
No more wrong than violence against anyone else.
Yeah.

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Gloomy_Attitude4196 · 2023-11-22T23:43:57+00:00

They should have the same access to opportunities but that means no preferential treatment (quotas, women only scholarships, DEI)
Sure but votes are useless since you can always super PAC and bribe politicians
If you can work, work. Also refer to point 1
That should be "[Is] violence .... wrong?" and the answer is yes unless it's for self defense.
Sure but refer to point 1

coping_man · 2023-11-23T10:09:25+00:00

yes

not always because women are adults and should expect to get decked if they act physically aggressive

sure but lets not bankroll them on taxpayer dimes just because they got XX instead of XY

Title	Q4M: What are some feminist views you hold?
Author	Windmill_flowers
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Date	November 22, 2023 3:49 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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