Men need more than women to "choose better"

Throw_r_a_2021 · 2025-03-10T11:54:07+00:00

TLDR: Men should lower their standards

No. I’m better off single than being in a relationship with a woman I’m not actually interested in.

GrandpaDallas · 2025-03-10T13:39:58+00:00

TLDR: Men should lower their standards

Could not disagree more. Men's standards, how I've seen them, are far too low. You see it in how many men will indiscriminately swipe right in OLD, or who will say outright that they will take any woman that they can get.

Men need to raise their standards

Main_Following1881 · 2025-03-10T11:15:41+00:00

But the "choose better" statement should be applied to men more than women Someone will say "But men have no choice and take what they can get", and I can simply say "Yeah, because you refuse to lower your standards".

The standards in question, she breathes, is alive (optional). Idk bro i dont think you can go any lower than this lol

abaxeron · 2025-03-10T11:16:23+00:00

If we take criminality as a proxy for "badness", then Absolutely No.

https://np.reddit.com/user/abaxeron/comments/1ib9lnc/the_bad_boy_tingles/

Fertility rate of criminal men with non-criminal baby mamas is higher than fertility rate of non-criminal men.

The opposite (gender-swapped) is not true.

Proudvow · 2025-03-10T11:51:22+00:00

I trully believe the dating market would be better if people were better at selecting their partner. But the "choose better" statement should be applied to men more than women

Someone will say "But men have no choice and take what they can get", and I can simply say "Yeah, because you refuse to lower your standards".

This is flat out ridiculous. Everyone knows that women have higher standards than men. Why do you guys lie? Why is a man lying for women?

Technical_End9162 · 2025-03-10T12:52:13+00:00

The problem to me is that about 40% women are pretty to me in my age range in my environment, so I have no problem finding women who are attracted to me and I’m attracted to them, if I’m socializing enough which I don’t

But it’s so unclear which woman has a good personality, because a lot of them put on the “innocent girl” act like they wouldn’t hurt a fly, then you have to vet and find out her real personality

RahLyt · 2025-03-10T15:00:16+00:00

One of my friends wanted to break up with his girl who treats him very well, understands him and his mission, because he can do better looks wise.

I beat out that idea out of him so quickly lol. Looks without character are nothing, a lot of men, get lost in that nonsense.

In today's age, dropping a good women to what's out there is insanity.

Electric_Death_1349 · 2025-03-10T11:04:17+00:00

Lower our standards to what, exactly? The problem with this argument is that, thanks to the normalisation of misandry and the inflating of the collective female ego, the vast majority of women have a toxic, shit-don’t-stink attitude and think they have a God-given right to a man who is 6’5, with the body of a professional athlete and has a six figure salary - obviously they aren’t all going to get that, and for reasons of pragmatism, the vast majority will settle; but that means that they’ll still expect a man to jump though hoops, bend over backwards and give them the princess treatment while offering nothing in return.

So the “choose better” argument falls on its ass; there is no deep reservoir of good women waiting patiently for a man to lower his standards - for most men, the best they can hope for is to be settled for by someone who will resent them from day one and sees them as little more than a means to an end. That’s the choice; it’s that or nothing.

Jetpine9 · 2025-03-10T15:31:35+00:00

Average men and women don't have as many choices as they may think. Women have more sexual options, but when it comes to relationships, women's options can be limited (in quality anyway) similar to men's. Meaning, most of you aren't going to ever get that top shelf whiskey (I was at the liquor store the other day) that goes for $150+ a bottle. "Top shelf" here being a metaphor for people who are exceptionally attractive or exceptionally psychologically healthy,, exceptionally charismatic, etc). That doesn't mean you have to get the pure mixers on the bottom shelf. But it's going to be trial and error on the mid shelves for average people. You're going to have to accept some imperfections. Maybe several. But that doesn't mean you can't still enjoy a fine cocktail (to overwork the metaphor).

G0_0NIE · 2025-03-10T12:16:57+00:00

When you say “lower your standards”, to what end? I understand if you mean it in terms of preference (I.e being picky on hair colour) but I’ll argue standards are already low at this point; anything lower would just be a liability.

Like my standards are;

Doesn’t smoke cigarettes
In shape within reason
Has a job/career (dual income)
Has a compatible personality
Attracted TO her (doesn’t need to be conventionally attractive, as long as I find her attractive).

Like what is there you could “lower” while making it actually motivating to pursue and not just a miserable endeavour.

LevelCaterpillar1830 · 2025-03-10T10:24:04+00:00

Very indicative case of projection here from a gynocentric-mentality-oriented individual.

Most men are desperate for basically any kind of woman. Point me to a class of women that doesn't have a horde of men willing to date her. Fat women, disabled women, mentally deficient women; literally every class of those has options looking to commit.

Men are begging for anything that even resembles a woman at this point. At this point, "choose better" when directed at men points to choosing a different species.

Tokimonatakanimekat · 2025-03-10T13:34:28+00:00

Men who need to choose better don't give a fuck if they impregnate some crazy or not, they will just run from responsibilities as always.

qwertyuduyu321 · 2025-03-10T19:57:30+00:00

Men need more than women to "choose better"

TL;DR

Men (the great majority of them) don't choose - they accept or refuse advances (depending on the man, they also go unnoticed).

That's it.

Therefore, what you have written, at least in the words you have chosen, makes no sense.

Women choose, always have, still do, and always will.

Independent-Mail-227 · 2025-03-10T12:02:56+00:00

Men should lower their standards since they have unrealistic standards

What proof you have that men have unrealistic standards?

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Substantial_Video560 · 2025-03-10T15:06:19+00:00

I choose to embrace the single lifestyle and have no intention of changing it anytime soon.

flipsidetroll · 2025-03-10T18:16:26+00:00

I don’t think anyone should lower their standards. Who am I to tell anyone their standards are too high? Who are they to tell me? If your standards make it harder for them to find someone, that’s something they can deal with.

THE ONLY ISSUE…….is whether you hold YOURSELF to the same standards that you demand from others. We’ve all seen some obese women on the internet saying how they won’t date a fat man. Wrong. Fuck off if that’s how you think. Want a virgin? You better be a virgin yourself? Want a traditional woman? You better be a traditional man. That’s all. But the problem is that redpillers have all these rules for thee but not for me. And that is why they are eternally angry, eternally single and eternally lonely. And they just don’t see what hypocrites they are.

Artistic_Speech_1965 · 2025-03-10T18:33:14+00:00

I mostly agree but I think it’s also fair to criticize bad behavior. Like yes don’t choose to be with shitty people. Just make sure to criticize them in public as well. I don’t think it’s enough to just be enlightened, one should attempt to spread enlightenment as well.

Wolvengirla88 · 2025-03-10T22:10:10+00:00

The entire way y’all are thinking about dating will make you miserable. If you judge people only on how they look, you get what you deserve. Most of the people out there “winning” at dating are people who have learned to see past appearances and trust their own desires and their own instincts about another person. Some beautiful men end up with “ugly” women and vice versa. And some of us aren’t attracted to cis people at all! Figure out what attracts YOU and then cultivate those things in yourself. Then the people you actually like, not just find physically pretty, might actually be attracted to you right back.

Schleudergang1400 · 2025-03-10T11:05:47+00:00

It's a lack of mating intelligence.

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Sure-Vermicelli4369 · 2025-03-10T12:52:54+00:00

As more men become redpilled, or at least aware of how women act, women will have to start choosing better. These guys aren't going to be your backup plan or play stepdad after you had your fun in your 20s like milquetoast Gen Xers did.

growframe · 2025-03-10T15:04:03+00:00

Lowering standards is an option for people unsatisfied with their dating outcomes.

There is no one that "needs" to lower their standards.

If anything, men need to raise theirs. This simp "I'll take literally anyone" stuff has gotten out of hand.

Livid-Log7463 · 2025-03-10T20:51:42+00:00

The men who aren’t able to date/partner can’t lower their standards because they have none to lower.

RoseyButterflies · 2025-03-10T12:10:16+00:00

I think when it comes down to it having a possitive atitude is going to matter the most or you are going to screw up getting someone because the negative attitude will seep into your dating life.

Outside_Memory5703 · 2025-03-10T20:11:26+00:00

Whether it’s lowering standards or decentering women, the overwhelming answer of men throughout history has been “no U”

Title	Men need more than women to "choose better"
Author	Artistic_Speech_1965
Upvotes	0
Comments	192
Date	March 10, 2025 10:10 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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