CMV: Thinking that sluts will get married to low value men after they are done riding the cock carousel is male solipsism and a just world fallacy

NalkaNalka · 2017-02-28T20:48:33+00:00

People tend to settle down with whoever they happen to be with when the settling down bug hits them. Like generally ends up with like.

buttlollipop · 2017-02-28T21:36:13+00:00

So I don't disagree with the OP, but I do want to add on that in addition to this, there might be another reason. Men who are less sexually experienced are more likely to have a problem with an experienced woman. Call it "wanting your equivalent" or call it "insecurity." Either works, who knows any individual's motive. But at the end of the day, a guy who is experieced/confident about his sexual history probably won't care as much as a guy who isn't experienced. And the experienced guy is most likely higher value.

I'm normally very against anecdata, but the most promiscuous guys I know (granted they're older so they've had more time to amass partners, but we're talking hundreds of partners, one guy in the thousands) literally don't give a fuck. No sexual history a woman had could even come close to what they have, and I haven't seen either of them express an interest in "virginal" women (they'd have a hard time finding them given their age group anyway.) One of them actually dated a woman who ran a company in the adult industry (not porn though, and she wasn't a porn star/stripper/model herself, just a businesswoman. But still, not exactly a fair virginal m'lady.)

There's a spectrum of course. There's obviously a reason that /r/incels is the sub of men who admittedly are low value (I'm going by what they say about themselves) who require a woman not only to be a virgin, but in many cases be under 18, under 16, or under 13 (the last one was that caamib guy lol). Then we have TRP. Let's face it, guys are on TRP because they need help, not because they're so successful with women that they want to share their wisdom with the world. At least the majority of time. They generally don't care as much as incels. Very few red pillers demand a virgin, but many of them are put off by perfectly reasonable sexual partner counts (10 sexual partners over 5 years sounds bad I GUESS...but really, if a red piller had that sexual history he'd be complaining about being "borderline incel")

If you talk to men outside the manosphere, I feel like the general consensus is "Not as many sexual partners as I have." In fact, none of my male friends even want to know how many partners someone has had, they don't ask. "Normie" guys who maybe don't need as much help with women seem to only balk at a woman with a truly outrageous sexual past, and I think women are very much the same way about men.

OncleJulian · 2017-02-28T21:01:30+00:00

They marry low SMV men. What they do is marry high RMV men. Since women's hamster also ages alongside them, that 20 year old Chad https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/48/8f/19/488f192833b9ee7920353db9ea90928a.jpg nice jaw jesus christ becomes a middle-aged, mildly-mannered man whose words are spoken not by his looks but by his money, the one that was growing and growing so he could finally get a cute girl.

And yeah, some sluts/women end up married to high SMV men. But most do not.

trail22 · 2017-02-28T23:29:35+00:00

Many women will when they are young be atrracted to fun. Fun is confident adventourous and unpredictable. these guys are often chads. They fit whatever fantasy a girl has.

She dates these guys and realize they suck. They treat her badly, have no ambition, only have ambition, and in general are not stable men to settle down with. By now she is in her mid twenties, sick of all these assholes wondering if every guy is an asshole.

So She meets a good guy. Someone who put his nose to the grindstone. He never had many dates or women but is good at his job and treats everyone well. He is in his late twenties. Before he never had time to be interesting. He was workign his career which was very important to him.

But now with his career firmly in place he has time to have hobbies, buy cool stuff, dress better go and work out, and travel.

Both these people meet. She is more mature and realized she wants a stable guy that treats her well. He has confidence from his work and although a late bloomer has had experiences that many guys had in their early twenties that he has in his late twenties.

They date and get married.

And this narrative is a narrative I have seen. Women with a sting of assholes ending up realizing she shouldnt date assholes and losers. Him focusing on his career, tryign to date but focusing on his career and on tangoible results in his career, not on what seems like superficiality of dating.

And this narrative is how many Red Pillers see a girl getting on the cock carousel.

648262 · 2017-02-28T23:56:17+00:00

There's four options:

She continues slutting, and as her SMV drop so does the quality of men she sleeps with.
She refuses to settle down, and she refuses to let the quality of men go down - so she ends up as a crazy cat lady wondering where all the good men went.
She becomes tired of slutting, and not long after that she meets a great guy of greater or equal quality as herself and settle down with him.
She becomes tired of slutting, and not long after that she meets a great guy of lower quality as herself and settle down with him.

These all happen, but internet super heroes masturbate mostly to #2 and #4.

Polishrifle · 2017-03-01T03:05:43+00:00

I'm red and I've always held this view. It's such a useless thing to think about and just screams insecurity. I honestly don't wish anything ill upon any of the number of girls I've been with, whether things ended amicably or not. At best, I'm indifferent to their existence after they are out of my life. There are just so many more things I can be spending that thought bandwidth on, that these girls don't even cross the threshold of "things to think about."

A true red piller doesn't look to the past, but lives where he is. Abundance mentality. She was never yours, it was just your turn.

GeekyFeministDork · 2017-02-28T20:50:11+00:00

I mean, most Red Pill guys are not even high quality enough to spin lots of attractive plates. Many men have very limited options. They may secretly dislike a woman's past, but they marry who agrees to marry them.

vandaalen · 2017-02-28T21:50:27+00:00

You got it all the wrong way around.

We say that you should not lower your value and be a chump who'll settle for a "reformed" hoe who gave all that shit she might be giving to you in return for effort, time, ressources and commitment, that she gave for free (and usually even much more) to all the chads that squirted their loads on her forehead, since that will make you a chump.

It does not matter who'll be the poor idiot who'll wife up that mentally broken and used up bag of sagging meat at all. Better you than me other than that I do not give a fuck.

soccerstar77 · 2017-02-28T21:54:46+00:00

People settle down with people of their own attractiveness level.

The issue here which I think is not well looked at is, the most slutty women come from the average range. And I specifically talking about women who make a hard effort to be more sexy and trashy looking to get sexual action from men that if they wouldn't do this, wouldn't pay attention to them.

Men, of any attractiveness level will look for both good sex and a good personality in an LTR. The issue with the average girl slut is she still believes she is hot but feels she is settling for a guy she would normally match up with.

Unabummer80 · 2017-02-28T22:28:33+00:00

I read a lot of TRPers say that sluts will get pumped and dumped by Chads, then marry some low value shmuck. This is just some weird moral just world fallacy.

It isnt necessarily true no. Life doesnt work like that. If the women isnt high value, and just puts it about cos she can then she might well marry someone low value. If she winds up a single mother, then she might have trouble finding someone high value. If she isnt that attractive, she can punch above her weight by giving it up easy before settling down with someone more in line with her.

If she is attractive, educated etc then she can still find a high value guy.

(hint if you're using TRP for dating advice you aren't)

Unnecessary shaming tactic, and a sexist one to boot. "If you believe this/read this/do that, you wont find a mate." Much like the very thing you are trying to refute and blatant hypocrisy.

PostModernismKills · 2017-02-28T21:49:17+00:00

In the pill mindset (an extension of Gorilla Mindset), all women are sluts so of course they'll get married to some low-value schmuck if that schmuck gets married at all.

Your view has a fundamental fallacy in assuming that there is some situation in which a low value schmuck gets married something other than a cock-carousel-riding slut. This appears to me completely impossible. AWALT

artietx · 2017-02-28T21:53:41+00:00

Marrying a slut itself lowers man's value.

SilentLurker666 · 2017-03-01T01:52:44+00:00

I think you misunderstood what TRP means when they say that sluts will pump and dump by Chads.. and marry some low value shmuks.

What they are trying to say is that they should strife to be Chads... the guy pumping and dumping, and avoid being the shmuck... meaning don't stick around and marry the girl afterwards.

TRP is prescriptive and it giving the advice to seek short term partners and avoid long term commitment.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2017-02-28T21:23:07+00:00

it is ASPIRATIONAL. it is telling men that THEY dont have to settle for "used up sluts". once you see about 67% of TRP statements as aspirational it makes more sense

squidracer · 2017-02-28T21:19:24+00:00

True. Most of them don't get married at all, or they get married then get divorced within 5 years. I've seen this play out so many times over the years it's became predictable. Even used to take bets on how long certain marriages would last.

Of all the couple's i knew from 10 years ago, most of the sluttier girls are now divorced.

Returnofthemack3 · 2017-02-28T21:36:04+00:00

It doesn't always end up that way, no. If a woman has superior genetics and takes care of herself, she can probably rope in fairly high value men. Problem is, most women do not have superior genetics, and even if they do, they fail to take care of their bodies. Years of bad sleep, partying, and overeating really ages a person out. I know a lot of women that have aged miserably. Many have gotten fatter too.

So yeah, in a lot of cases, women do end up facing a limited number of options later on, at least as far as high value guys are concerned.

LewisCross · 2017-02-28T21:44:15+00:00

I read a lot of TRPers say that sluts will get pumped and dumped by Chads, then marry some low value shmuck. This is just some weird moral just world fallacy.

It's really just something we've observed over time and in our particular regions of the US. I've been told that in urban areas on the coasts, and in the largest urban areas inland (Chicago, DFW, maybe MSP) sluts marry "high value, attractive" men. Since I don't live in those areas, what I've seen is, yes, sluts marrying low value men, because those are the only men who will marry them.

So it's not solipsism or "just world", thinking sluts are getting their just desserts. It's just what some of us are seeing, that's all.

I don't think most of us (at least not I) wish ill for sluts. What I've seen is that sluts are unhappy, using the sex and the partying as a cover for some emotional issue, and want relationships but don't know how to go about getting them. I don't wish for sluts to be unhappy. I want them to get what they want from life; and at least where I'm from, most sluts don't get what they want from life. It is what it is.

[deleted] · 2017-02-28T22:13:16+00:00

The "real man" memes or the single moms or the women "who can't find any men" say otherwise

sebastian_rp · 2017-02-28T22:23:10+00:00

There's just as much just world fallacy on TPP that women don't hit the wall and end up suffering for their choices. In real life where I'm from, pretty much all of the girls I went to high school with are now less hotter than they used to be, most are overweight, most are single mothers and most are searching for a "good guy". I've had many of them (more than 5) try to come back into my life to see if there was anything between us (if I was going to be their Beta). I wasn't taking any pill yet at that point but, I knew me dating a girl that didn't pay me much attention growing up was a bad deal, especially now that she had another guy's kid. No bueno. I go on Facebook and its just an endless stream of those desperate chicks with no man in sight and it's sad. According TPP, this doesn't happen and I'm making it up.

yayeey15 · 2017-02-28T22:34:32+00:00

The men they marry are low value compared to the men they could have married. Not necessarily low value in the absolute sense.

Transmigratory · 2017-02-28T23:36:13+00:00

Another example of how the bloops don't actually read TRP content. Sort of like those people IRL who have their Wiki PhDs.

They said no high value alpha male with options will marry sluts. What's low value in this case? The people they wouldn't consider when they could get alphas... or y'know get an alpha who doesn't have options for some reason.

manletttime · 2017-03-01T00:07:10+00:00

I don't understand why a woman (like a man) can't just have a time period where she's having 'fun' and then when that phase is over she says 'ok, now I'm going to stick with someone I like and look more closely at evaluating my partners.'

The guy she ends up with is probably NOT low value. He's quite likely to be very HIGH value. Just like when men settle down.

For some reason to TRPers this notion is impossible.

Carkudo · 2017-03-01T13:42:10+00:00

Hey gaiz DAE terpers are soooo low value lol amirite

Man, and people say incel threads were repetitive?

theiamsamurai · 2017-03-01T14:17:12+00:00

Just world fallacy is when a class that is on the privileged side of double standards thinks that the world is just and fair. An example is women saying that the SMP is fair to men and men can get laid easily, even though over 90% of women can get money for sex from men, but less than 1% of men can get paid for sex by women. Saying "the world isn't fair because men suffer, but at least a lot of the women who make them suffer marry someone who's low value and are miserable" isn't just world fallacy, it's a revenge fantasy. Get your terminology in order.

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winterrider · 2017-02-28T21:55:17+00:00

Yeah, this is correct. It is male solipism. The world isn't fair and their are tons of men who simply don't care. Or if they care they are so desperate for a woman they will overlook it.

godfatherchimp · 2017-02-28T22:12:05+00:00

By definition a man who commits to a slut is beta. This isn't a difficult concept to grasp

prodigy2throw · 2017-02-28T22:27:56+00:00

Who said men don't marry sluts? That's ridiculous. Are you reading the right sub?

gopher_glitz · 2017-02-28T23:00:43+00:00

Lying sluts sure, honest sluts, maybe not.

TheBlackQuill · 2017-02-28T23:08:30+00:00

Not saying that they would not marry per say, but they just end up having less choices.

OfSpock · 2017-03-01T04:16:38+00:00

They end up marrying their male equivalents. Forty year old guys who had their fun and want to settle down.

It amuses me that TRP insults these guys. Yes, due to age they are now low SMV, not players dating eighteen year olds.

IIHotelYorba · 2017-03-01T04:36:06+00:00

They don't get married to low value men because they're sluts, they get married to low value men because they're OLD

MagicGainbow · 2017-03-01T05:27:23+00:00

I read a lot of TRPers say that sluts will get pumped and dumped by Chads, then marry some low value shmuck. This is just some weird moral just world fallacy.

Its the opposite of a just word, and hop on over to deadbedrooms for plenty of examples.

blackheartblackmask · 2017-03-01T21:12:58+00:00

I used to believe in the Just World Fallacy but these days I don't anymore.

Like the fact that in my experience beautiful people have actually been nicer on average than ugly people. Its supposed to be a "fallacy" but its just my experience so..

If anything I'm now more of the opinion that thinking sluts settle down with great guys to be a female solipsism fantasy.

YourGayOpinion · 2017-03-02T09:19:02+00:00

I mean, OKCupid is packed with fat alcoholic divorcees and they are definitely not getting high-value men.

Entropy-7 · 2017-03-02T09:59:10+00:00

CC and AF/BB is an observation and generally a fact, not some strange moralizing or just world fallacy. It is what it is.

dicklord_airplane · 2017-03-02T15:41:08+00:00

I've seen that situation play out too many times to say that it never happens or that it's even rare. but i get what you're saying. it's a common revenge fantasy that a lot of men hold, and it's petty.

LeaderOfGamergate · 2017-03-02T16:51:54+00:00

They certainly won't be marrying the same men they were having one night stands with when they were 21. Put it this way, if a man can get easy sex from a woman without trying, he's not going to marry her. If they gave easy sex to a guy, he's not going to marry them.

They need to make him work for the sex long term, whilst at the same time providing emotional and mental pleasure so that he enjoys her company and feels he connects with her.

Women who are slutty and throw out sex at every guy aren't going to get a guy to stick when he's already gotten what he wanted.

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