Women of purple pill debate, what things do you agree with from the red pill perspective and what things do you not agree with?

NarniaFox · 2021-05-26T17:28:12+00:00

I agree with common sense things. Get your shit together, do sport, work on your goals (and have them in the first place), be self-sufficient, just have you your life for fuck's sake.

And I don't agree with their attitude towards women and dating overall. AWALT, hot and cold game, "keeping the frame", not showing emotions, treating your partner as if they're from the other species and are ticking all the time, putting sex above everything else, pushing for pretty narrow masculine role, dreading etc. Considering AWALT - I think that it describes some women, but TRPers are wrong by extrapolating it on everyone. Overall, these things give one unhealthy view on relationships and turn them into a war/battle instead of a safe space for acceptance and intimacy.

Edit: oh, an important remark, I don't agree with the whole idea about women not taking responsibility for themselves. It's just not what I see around me, I'm surrounded by women who just do their stuff and don't expect someone else to take care of them.

Also that women necessarily marry up. Most couples I know have similar income level, level of education etc.

ItWasBrokenAlready · 2021-05-26T18:45:20+00:00

Yay:

Relationships are mostly about sex / sexual dynamic. It's not just being buddies who happen to sleep together.
Desire cannot be negotiated. 'Just communicate' is usually futile advice.
Being seen as desperate and having absolutely no options is a big turnoff for women.
Women rarely desire men they do not respect.

Nay:

Men peak at 40, lol
Desire is something that happens for women in instant, and cannot grow over time. If she doesn't bang at first date, she's not into you.
generic 'woman bad' stuff

alberto-hoff · 2021-05-26T17:52:37+00:00

Ppw

I'm not a tabula Rosa, gender constructionist - but I don't think evolution guides our every decision, either.

I think we're somewhere in-between and focussing on one is futile.

SaBahRub · 2021-05-26T17:09:33+00:00

The parts that are mainstream I agree with

Like “be attractive; don’t be unattractive”

The part I don’t agree with is that the misogyny will get you a loving relationship. Can’t do that when you see your partner as an eternal enemy who will fuck you over as soon as you relax

Oh, and the rampant generalizations. Generalizing obviously means you’re concerned with the ends/results, not the individual person you’re doing it with

Nation_of_Two · 2021-05-26T16:50:33+00:00

I agree that attraction is the most important element of a relationship and as a woman, you should find someone who makes you crazy in love and then build a friendship on top of that rather than the reverse. This will provide a better foundation than buddies who date.

skunkbear444 · 2021-05-26T22:55:02+00:00

Does anyone else see the insane conundrum that multiple women here said men shouldn't care about the why, the motive, or what women think ever (because they have no chance of getting it right) just focus on what they do. IE don't treat them as people. This may be the biggest AWALT from the horse's mouth I have ever seen.

It is saying there is no reason to want to know a woman's true motives, if that is true why ever really trust them?

When women obsess and talk for hours about why a guy did something and wondering what he is thinking?

!?!?!?! loool

death_by_1000_cats · 2021-05-26T17:15:46+00:00

I agree with most of red pill's advice and I broadly agree with their descriptions of female nature. Where I disagree is when they start trying to explain the thought process undergirding that nature. Their understanding of women's internal world and minds is pretty laughable, and ultimately it doesn't matter anyway so I don't know why they feel the need to go there. Watch what they do; who cares why they do it?

I also disagree when it starts veering into "Men are wonderful" territory. Yes women are superficial/hypergamous/manipulative etc. Those things can be true and unflattering things about men can also be true. I find that a lot of red pillers are incredibly blue pilled when it comes to male nature.

I also think some RP guys take heuristics as immovable gospel truth. "She's not yours, it's just your turn" for example is a good heuristic to guide a man's behavior; it doesn't mean that literally every woman will leave at the first sign of trouble.

rft24 · 2021-05-26T17:34:17+00:00

i think their observations of female nature is true most of the time, but where they go wrong is trying to explain why. that, and they don’t have nearly as much of a grasp on female sexuality as they think they do. they tend to project their experience of male sexuality onto female sexuality.

of course, i’m gonna disagree with the “men are wonderful, women bad” shit. i also disagree with the idea that all women or most women are the same, like the same kind of man, and want the same things out of sex and dating. you may be able to generalize about different kinds of women, but not all of them.

xQueen-Bx · 2021-05-26T20:38:42+00:00

I think everything trp tells men to do is right and they should do it to maximize their sexual options and hand. I think trp describes female sexual nature well. where it fails utterly is in its explanations of the female mind, but this doesn't matter because they shouldn't even are what women are thinking

flamingoinghome · 2021-05-26T17:44:43+00:00

The things I agree with are all, once you strip out the edgelord stuff, basic self-help advice:

-Looking good and staying fit will help your love life

-If you're not getting your needs met in a relationship, you maybe should end the relationship

-If you go into things with the mindset that you suck and are lucky to get any attention, shitty people will take advantage; if you walk in with the mindset that you're great and people are lucky to be around you, you'll have a better time

Disagree with: almost all the half-baked junk science, "women are teenagers/can't love/etc.", the whole AF/BB thing, the creepy "active dread" shit, Slut Hysteria, and pretty much everything they come up with when they try to imagine the inner lives of women.

I'd also just tone the fucking language down. There's a lot of guys who'd do WAY better with this shit if it wasn't presented as the end of the fucking world that they used to be bad at flirting or whatever.

fakingandnotmakingit · 2021-05-26T22:51:44+00:00

I agree with:

the idea of having "frame" (goals), not committing to a woman if she isn't what you want, knowing your worth, and "self improvement"
Also the fact that being nice doesn't get you a date. You have to be attractive and nice.
You will also need to be attractive to the type of women you want to get.
Society lies to you because we dont want to admit that looks are a big part of dating. So are social skills. Being "you" will not get you a date.

I actually think this should apply to both genders.

What I dislike:

marriage is inherently a bad thing.
the inconsistency about the value of what is traditionally women's labour. "I don't like careerist women and what a partner who does housework and takes care of my kids" . And then also " why is she entitled to half my stuff! Being a nanny, teacher. and a janitor is only worth like minimum wage!" decide will you? If your ideal woman is nurturing then economically value nurturing. Alternatively don't value nurturing and go for careerist women. pick one!

What i think is completely moronic.

AWALT and frankly AMALT are both very stupid. It smacks of people who don't have a life outside the Internet.
can someone actually define the cc for me? Like most women I know had like 1 or 2 ONS. And then men here go bonkers about women having 15 dicks in a year. Like whut? Highest n count I've seen was 10 over 10 years. Highest, not average.
evolutionary psychology is stupid. Like I'm sorry where is the causal evidence? Before I went into finance I studied neuroscience and evolutionary psychologists are a laughing stock. At least social psychology, as wishy washy as it is, attempts at gathering evidence for correlation. Evolutionary just goes "lol women and men are like this cause of evolution. How do I know this? Cause I do"

Disclaimer: am a married woman in my late 20s. I had 3 relationships in my life (including my husband) and one ONS. This may or may not affect the bias of my world view.

Orange_Paisley · 2021-05-26T18:55:21+00:00

I agree with taking steps to improve yourself. You should do that for yourself, not to get sex, but working out, establishing yourself financially, etc. is good advice for everyone.

I don’t agree with the “women are children” bullshit, particularly from men who are too busy playing video games to pick up after themselves.

flapperfemmefatale · 2021-05-27T03:01:59+00:00

The whole thing blows my mind because, fundamentally, they really just hate women. But they still desperately want to fuck us. It's pretty pathetic.

PurplePill_Throwaway · 2021-05-26T17:16:30+00:00

I identify as RPW, so I agree with quite a bit.

The main things I agree with is that relationships are conditional and both people need to consistently put in work, keeping up attraction in a relationship is most important, women are too conditioned to believe that nothing they do could ever be wrong and they shouldn’t take any accountability for failed relationships or getting treated like shit, and we are oftentimes too self-centered and don’t try to become self-aware enough to try to improve themselves. Solipsism. Also hypergamy to some degree.

Things I tend to disagree with: That women always have a back-up plan (aka “beta orbiters”) and that they are just using you for money until they inevitably find someone better. Also, I haven’t seen much evidence for 80/20 beyond that one OkCupid “study.” And I don’t stand for the attitude from some men in the anger phase that men are amazing and their own shit don’t stink because it’s all women’s fault.

Ok-Caramel777 · 2021-05-26T23:32:02+00:00

All that dismissal of women's lived experiences and assuming that stuff like "hamstering" (plain rationalizing but in rp lingo) is specific for one gender

Oh, also the "men peak at 40" lmaooo

midwestufohunter · 2021-05-27T01:21:52+00:00

I don't agree with the fundamental idea that you should be mean to others or trick others.

I also don't agree w the fundamental idea that its so important to get women that you should put on a mask or change what kind of life you want to live.

LonelyWineAunt · 2021-05-26T19:59:09+00:00

I don’t agree with anything Red Pill. It is ALL about how to emotionally abuse women by using female socialization against us.

It also isn’t going to make men happy in the long run. It may satisfy a man’s short-term need to feel powerful and in control but in the end, women won’t stick around for red pill men even if they end up being manipulated for a time.

Men using red pill also results in women turning to strategies like FDS to weed out red pill men.

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Specific-Mall-9972 · 2021-05-27T09:33:17+00:00

Red pill sees the differences between the sexes as rigid and comprehensible. They constantly make connections between some difference they’ve noticed and some part of that gender’s nature that must explain that difference. It is so rampant and so casual and so uninformed that it is wildly inaccurate. So men will see men cheating as due to men’s natural horniness, and they’ll see women cheating as due to women’s natural “hypergamy,” and they won’t see the fact that cheating is endemic to both men and women as evidence that cheating is due to human sexuality in general.

It’s all pseudoscience, which pisses me off, because as someone who has lurked on and interacted with feminist circles for years, I know that it’s possible to discuss social trends and gender issues with less speculation. Feminism tends to look at a statistic that shows a difference between men and women and think about how those differences might be affecting people and how they could be changed. That’s a lot more functional and practical than collectively wondering if there’s an evolutionary or other reason for the difference.

I’m not saying that the whole of feminism is spotlessly intellectual, nor that any movement needs to be. I’m saying that critical thinking and a connection to reality needs to be present in any discussion for that discussion to be productive. Redpill people keep drinking the kool aid and they never do any reality checks from what I can tell. Reality checks would include questioning if there are other explanations that don’t cater to your individual bias.

Ladyofblades · 2021-05-27T10:58:44+00:00

The things I agree with from redpill aren’t really even from redpill but were lifted from common sense about self improvement or the PUA/seduction communities.

SiaSara · 2021-05-27T15:43:15+00:00

Some things I agree with:

A lot of women don't consider how tough it is for men (collectively) to get with women. I think there's obviously some men that find it easy to gain access to sex/relationships but there's a whole load of other men who really struggle to get much luck in the dating game. I think women generally don't know that this is the reality for a lot of men.

I think some women have unfair requirements when it comes to height and income. When they talk about the things they want out of a relationship, they'll sometimes have unrealistic demands and don't understand how rare certain requirements are such as a six figure salary or a height above so and so.

Some things I disagree with:

I think on the whole the red pill movement doesn't place much value on things like childcare. When they talk about the woman getting an xx settlement in a divorce case they don't mention whether there was some level of childcare involved on the woman's part. It's usually presented as if the woman was living a life of leisure and then just got to take 50%. I've seen first hand how incredibly gruelling it can be to raise children on a daily basis so I think there needs to be more value placed on this. I know work can be difficult too but at least you can have breaks etc.

Sometimes TRP movement acts like men are perfect angels and women just complain for no reason. I've dated some very nice guys but I've also come across men who are nasty, destructive or have anger issues. They are not all rational, calm people. Basically too much black and white thinking goes on in TRP movement.

fak_beauty_standards · 2021-05-30T11:02:49+00:00

The Cock Carousel. It's profection, men sleep around until late 30 rejecting women along the way in settling-down sense and then suddenly want to settle down.

They ride Coochie Carousel.

Title	Women of purple pill debate, what things do you agree with from the red pill perspective and what things do you not agree with?
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Date	May 26, 2021 1:44 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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