Confirmed: We are the product.

Platipus6 · 2021-02-19T22:05:10+00:00

Weird. Why is the third question out of guy's mouths on dating apps "what do you do for work???"

I tested it by matching with facially impoverished men by saying I was currently unemployed, and their follow-ups were when was I getting a job, could I get a part time job, etc etc.

Are you suuuuuure you don't care about a woman's money?

Frogspocket · 2021-02-20T00:22:58+00:00

Why do they think we dont know what LV men want? We know. They want a young, inexperienced, easily impressed, kinky, pretty girl with low self esteem. DUH. To have "market place value" at the LV shop you just have to have those things.

Let's say you are 20 yrs old and take that advice. Clown yourself up and play your cards right so you can land yourself a "provider". You have a small window of playing bang maid until your "provider" replaces you with a younger, kinkier, prettier girl with even lower self esteem since that is what they "value". By then your peers will be years into building their careers while you have no education, no actual market value (on the job market), and if you have kids probably no money because your "provider" will slither his way out of paying his share of child support. If you follow the "dating market" advice you will end up with nothing for yourself. And those LVM men you worked so hard to impress will laugh at you, use you as an example of a washed up undatable single mom hag with "baggage"

If you choose to have an education and make your own money you can be your own provider. And bonus is that you'll attract better people into your orbit because (sorry to break it to the redpill bros that have deemed themselves HV but...) actual HVM do care about that stuff. Actual HVM want to grow together, improve together and build a life together.

whydenny · 2021-02-19T22:22:18+00:00

Women generally don't build career, finances to impres men with them. We do it to survive, because that's the economic system we live in.

LadyGrimes · 2021-02-19T21:53:46+00:00

What is it with these scrotes always comparing women to cars? Go fuck your cars if you hate women that much.

GailaMonster · 2021-02-19T21:55:08+00:00

The same men that shriek "not all men" are soooo quick to generalize men when it comes to traits that they WANT to pretend are universal, because it benefits their personal agenda.

hmmmmmm

I'll also note that in a society where there is MUTUAL CONSENT and women have at least theoretical autonomy, we BOTH gotta buy what the other is selling, so maybe homeboy should take his own medicine and ask if he's walking his talk (he isn't).

The mating call of the LVM/NVM echoes across the Internet:

"Why should I?"

coldfoot23 · 2021-02-19T21:54:02+00:00

Okay well go fuck a sex doll. Oh wait y’all even abuse those lmao

understatedalways · 2021-02-20T01:07:15+00:00

This guy acts as if women haven’t been spoon fed these stupid fairy tales since birth showing us all we have to do is be pretty and sweet to find and keep a good man. I was beautiful, completely innocent, sweet, and wanted a traditional fairytale life when I was a teenager. The perfect woman as they would say. Where did it get me? Abused relentlessly by scrotes.

Now, I’m still beautiful and nice. The only thing that’s changed is that I’m completely done with men’s shit. I couldn’t give a fuck about what they “want” unless it aligns with what I want—and if me being me isn’t what they want they can walk.

Most men just aren’t worth arguing with. They are too stuck in their own misogyny.

P.S. I own a thriving seven figure business that has afforded me peace of mind and allows me to pursue my passions. Oops sorry I’m not a wilting flower. I’m dating a HVM who loves that about me. Scrotes (aka LVM) can die mad.

shinyjewels · 2021-02-19T21:56:39+00:00

Lmao this dude doesn't even verbalize what it is that men want in a woman. And also contradicts himself by saying "they never needed nor cared to know because they have so many options to pick and choose from". So yeah. Why would I want a man who doesn't want a strong woman when evidently there are men out there who WANT strong women? Seems like a you problem my guy.

sleepysiri · 2021-02-19T22:05:27+00:00

“you didn’t view him as a person”

continues to compare women to cars

Softrito · 2021-02-19T23:32:53+00:00

This is untrue. You know this dude is poor when he says things like this. Educated men more often want educated wives.

eatchickpeas · 2021-02-19T23:41:26+00:00

men want silent sex toys that cook, clean and breed. men dont see women as human beings with feelings/desires/ambition. women dont date men as objects, we see men as human beings and its why theres so much disconnect with men in dating. alot of their behaviour makes sense when you realise they FUNDAMENTALLY dont see women as human beings at all. men want objects they can sleep with, their beauty and appearance is what they want only

aquietsword · 2021-02-19T22:53:22+00:00

Feels very choosing beggars to me. The amount of men crying about their dating/sex life makes me think this man is actually just an idiot.

PasDeTout · 2021-02-19T22:56:30+00:00

Every financially stable educated man I’ve known has wanted something similar in a woman. Doctors marry doctors. University lecturers often marry other university lecturers. The only men who are telling women not to better themselves are sofa surfing school drop outs who don’t want to make the effort of bringing themselves up but will instead spend hours every day on the internet trying to bring women down.

Honestly, I’m tempted to do a PhD out of pure spite!

DallasOMalley · 2021-02-19T23:36:20+00:00

Is this what it looks like when a man gaslights himself?

gcthwy · 2021-02-20T00:34:24+00:00

I love how he claims women don’t enter relationships thinking about what men want as if “what men want” hasn’t been literally shoved down our throats on a daily basis since we were kids.

mirrormirror114 · 2021-02-20T00:04:15+00:00

But men barely provide anymore lmao.

pickadaisy · 2021-02-20T00:32:16+00:00

To the actual writer:

Oh really, then how come countless women can attest to men mooching off their success and money? How come we had a meme go viral about women buying PS5s for their partners?

Also, how come no matter what a woman focuses on, she receives the same treatment from you “buyers”? Sorry to tell you, but a bunch of women got together, and started telling their stories. Now we know that no matter how beautiful a woman looks on the outside, she still gets shit on by a guy who can’t clean his own ass.

Thanks for your speech. You can go back to the drawing board now.

Papaverinum · 2021-02-20T00:15:05+00:00

"if you want a man you have to do that, this and that!" Well, I'm not actually looking for one. "Whaa-oh? How DARE you??!"

K0rla · 2021-02-20T00:04:29+00:00

Mmm following this logic, buyers should not harass or try to manipulate salespeople who do not offer the thing they are interested in. Sooo maybe it’s not independent women the ones not understanding the “market”, but entitled misogynists.

2021-02-19T23:42:08+00:00

I thought all women were gold diggers though?! If we have so many options we would all be rich

Saitschik · 2021-02-20T01:15:44+00:00

Men should understand that women have a right to be themselves first, Just like men. Without caring what a man wants.

It's not on the woman if a man "doesn't want to keep her" but still wants to use her for his benefit.

That's on him, his character and lack of empathy. It's not the woman who has to change, adapt and pander.

InaneObservations · 2021-02-20T04:19:41+00:00

LVMs: "Most men aren't looking for women to be providers."

Also LVMs: "Work full-time and pay exactly 50.000% of the rent and bills, even if you make half as much as me. Bring all your furniture, linens, glassware, small appliances and dishes because I have one crusty towel and a solo cup and I eat off paper plates. Please cook gourmet dishes because I "hate going out". And clean. And bring the vacuum cleaner and mop, you'll need it. And I will never buy you gifts because that makes you materialistic. But I want a PS5 for Xmas."

witchingsauce · 2021-02-19T23:49:05+00:00

You’d think they’d use this logic to make the sexual “transaction” valuable and appealing to both parties by pleasuring the woman. Perilously close to being rational but no cigar lol I never see this logic applied to sex smh

sitpalsap · 2021-02-19T22:49:21+00:00

The biggest joke in this creative prose is the idea that women go after careers in order to impress and attract men. We'd pick personal financial stability and safety over dependency on his flaky mansplaining ass anytime ha!

sealcrab · 2021-02-19T23:01:06+00:00

I don't look for a man to be a 'good provider', because I have enough money to support myself. I expect him to be able to contribute to the relationship as he damn well should. And most decent men are attracted to highly educated women, which has nothing to do with the woman 'being a provider' but being an actually interesting and self-sufficient person.

Also, using his analogy, women should be the 'buyer' and men should be the one demonstrating their value. I am at risk of rape, domestic abuse, pregnancy etc. at the hands of men I date, so it's my job to only choose men who add value to my life. If men who meet my criteria don't want me then I don't care, because I'm not chasing after people who don't meet my needs.

burtndernie · 2021-02-20T01:16:24+00:00

He's really out here acting like a successful woman would even bat an eye at a man that doesn't want her.

Nah, he can fuck off with his personal agenda to make women stoop down to his low level.

Byeeeee 👋🏼

TheDameWithoutASmile · 2021-02-20T01:21:19+00:00

If most men aren't looking for a provider, then why tf did I pay my ex-LVM's bills and let him live rent free for so long?

millennialpink2000 · 2021-02-20T00:35:49+00:00

The conjecture is mind-numbing

The layers upon layers of incorrect assumptions they use to 'conclude' information about women is laughable. I swear these guys have never spoken to a woman, yet they feel perfectly entitled to make wild assumptions about how we think and feel

wagonwheel_ · 2021-02-20T04:28:44+00:00

Men ✍🏻 are ✍🏻 allowed ✍🏻 to ✍🏻 have ✍🏻 preferences ✍🏻 but ✍🏻 women ✍🏻 are ✍🏻 not ✍🏻

spinsterchachkies · 2021-02-20T01:46:53+00:00

“You never thought what you would do to keep Mr Success if you ever found him”

EW! NOTHING that’s why we are successful sleezebag! We don’t need to do shit to keep douchebags around. They can leave if they want to

BasieSkanks · 2021-02-20T11:18:57+00:00

"Men aren't looking for providers" LOL who wants to tell him? Men are the biggest gold diggers and moochers. Calling women gold diggers was just projection on men's part. Moreover, the idea that men are easygoing and low maintenance is a complete lie. Most men are a complete drain on a woman's finances and emotional, physical, mental energy.

cece188 · 2021-02-20T03:05:45+00:00

What is this guy even trying to say though? That women should be focusing on making themselves pretty/acting like pornstars in order to keep a man?

nyclaurco · 2021-02-20T04:12:59+00:00

doubt it. dated a couple of guys who accused me of gold digging. of course, the relationships ended shortly after that. one of them said this because i changed my career choice during undergrad and was going to apply to different grad schools. my career idea change was lateral, not a downgrade. he was already studying medicine. i just looked at him blankly and told him that i would be dating an actual doctor instead of a student if i was actually gold digging. plenty of guys care about what women do for work, almost annoyingly so. and it’s always the ones who have no gold to dig who are terrified that the woman who they’re dating is looking for a strong provider. what the hell happened to men?

Seamstress2 · 2021-02-20T04:53:43+00:00

He doesn't seem to realize that maybe these men couldn't and wouldn't give her what she's looking for, even if she was every box on his list? They would still be trying to talk her down, telling her that she had too many standards. Really, what women need collectively, is more standards, not fewer.

(Honestly, he sounds upset that his girl didn't want to do x, y, z, whatever that happened to be. So, he's blaming her for the loss of his relationship, when really, he was the problem all along.)

There's far too much advice about 'keeping' a man. If he wants to be kept, he will be kept. Cheaters cheat. If that's what they want, then you cannot stop them from being their own person and making their own choices. If it's a healthy relationship, then you're constantly taking care of each other. The whole point of being picky is finding a guy who is really going to hold up his side of the bargain and really going to lift his end of that.

shockingupdate · 2021-02-20T06:33:17+00:00

At least from a U.S. perspective, isn’t this notion that women seek out “providers” wildly outdated? Why is it still here? I’ve out-earned 3 out of 4 long-term partners and I know I’m not a exception

Honestly_th0 · 2021-02-20T06:35:39+00:00

For the male lurkers: Ha, we actually do know what guys want (spoiler—you can purchase it online and blow it up), we just don’t care about your wants if you’re looking to use us. Aaaand that’s why women’s careers and financial independence are SO important.

Paradox_Blobfish · 2021-02-20T07:01:55+00:00

It's so funny how LVMs always try to put other men in their own disgusting mindset. A LOT of men like to see their woman having a good career, their own money, their own hobbies and a great career.

My ex is a HVM and we had the same education and we talked about it a lot; he also supported me the whole time I applied for another program recently, going back to studies after 5.5 years working.

He looks down very hardcore on men who are like the one in that post.

ShieldMaidenLagertha · 2021-02-20T15:09:08+00:00

Most men I know are with partners that brought more to the table, whether that was income, an inheritance, or property ownership. Men are inherently selfish and always seek a more advantageous situation. A guy I know is struggling to make his mortgage and is dating a woman who makes bank. He moved her in so he wouldn’t lose his house. He told a friend of ours “what if my gf wants to get serious?!?” In a state of utter panic. Ummmm... you should then kiss her feet and hand her a crown for saving you from foreclosure and bankruptcy? These men are so delusional about their value. You are broke, what is she going to take from you? He’s also ugly so it’s not like he’s beating women off with a stick either.

RabidWench · 2021-02-20T06:01:15+00:00

I love how in the same breath he accuses women of not seeing men as people, and then labels all women as "a product". Excuse me? How does the dissonance not make their heads explode?

Also, this is why FDS tells Miss Hypothetical to dump that dude who treats her like a product he's test driving for free. He clearly isn't the right man for her (or any woman with self respect).

pao664 · 2021-02-20T23:01:00+00:00

On the flip side, I really get incensed when men DO care about a woman’s career, financial status/ assets. I am VERY rude to men who ask me about my career or even allude to it early on. IT IS NONE OF THEIR GODDAMN BUSINESS. Men provide. Period. The end.

devoushka · 2021-02-21T01:35:27+00:00

This is so false, even my guy friends who are casually dating brag about the accomplishments of the girls they're seeing. They're super impressed by fancy careers and education. This sounds like a cope from someone who doesn't have any achievements themselves. In any case, my career is for me and me only.

nymira-1 · 2021-02-20T02:39:27+00:00

Never been on the so called “dating market” and thanks to FDS I will never be there

Lavender_flow · 2021-02-20T10:52:42+00:00

Posted on TRP?

karen_from_f1nance · 2021-02-20T01:59:28+00:00

How entitled is this guy sheesh

Turbulent_Gazelle · 2021-02-20T04:58:11+00:00

Men go to war over women. Not one war has been waged over or for a man. Ever.

Title	Confirmed: We are the product.
Author	DingdongIhavewon
Upvotes	328
Comments	101
Date	February 19, 2021 9:48 PM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/FemaleDatingStrategy
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