Man vs. Bear is a divisive talking point and it just hit me in a vulnerable place.

Ready-Ad-1277 · 2024-06-12T08:19:52+00:00

I'm not an expert but I don't know how people can deny this is bigoted. If you replace "men" with "Arab man," it's automatically racist. Just the word "men" alone in this context is bigoted. I don't know much about your relation man, sorry I wish I could help.

UbiquitousWobbegong · 2024-06-12T10:34:18+00:00

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who picks the bear is either a moron or they're manipulative.

It's not an inherently divisive topic, it just points out how fucking bigoted people are against men.

You walk by tens to hundreds or even thousands of strange men every day. They all have opportunities to abuse you. How many times are you actually abused? Exactly.

Now provide that same opportunity to bears. How many times are you mauled?

They either don't understand simple statistics, or they are using this conversation as a shit test to see if we will validate their emotions instead of arguing for logic and truth.

Fuck their emotions. I've had it with being treated like an outsider because of my gender. They can have the fucking bear.

Worth_Panic2490 · 2024-06-12T12:16:08+00:00

As a gay man who had a female spring this on me and was fanatically pro-bear, I wish she’d just tell me which one it is:

A) She doesn’t see me as a real man, so there’s nothing to be scared of. Men are monsters. B) She sees me as a monster but one of the friendly ones. Any other woman would be right to fear me and choose a bear. Men are monsters and so am I.

You can qualify and justify your bigotry however you want. “Well no not all men are monsters it’s just the risk is too high that a bear is a safer bet!” Is exactly like you don’t hate people of certain racial or religious groups, but you treat them differently because enough of them are violent you judge them all by it.

I think this conversation brought to the head some really ugly things women believe. And the amount of male defenders who will say anything to agree with a woman.

I have human empathy and I know what it’s like to live in fear. But I don’t judge all straight people by the 2% who have been cruel to me. And all people from my small town by the 20% who despised gays, many of which made excuses to still like me. But women are free to judge all men by the worst men, and brag about that bias, and society rewards them for it.

AbysmalDescent · 2024-06-12T17:23:19+00:00

It's very clear that the entire bear thing is really just another exercise in bigotry by women, and another example of just how casually accepted misandry and androphobia actually is in western culture. I think a lot of women come into it thinking they are making some kind of point, and maybe just too ignorant, self-centered or privileged to understand that, in reality, they're just being manipulative and antagonistic for the sake of hurting men. It really does reveal a lot of the chaotic, toxic and destructive nature in this identity, and attention-seeking behavior, that a lot of women/feminists are openly adopting.

And what is most likely going to occur if a woman actually was to encountered a bear? She would instantly realize it was all a horrible mistake to pick bears and that she was being an idiot. She would cry out for a man to save her. If there is one in the area, he would actually probably still try to help her at his own peril, and then that woman would walk away, regardless of that man's well-being, having learned absolutely nothing.

chakan2 · 2024-06-12T12:21:42+00:00

Choose the bear.

The bear is probably endangered and could use a good meal.
The woman is happy because she's validated as the victim.
The man is happy because he's not falsely accused of rape.

MisterBowTies · 2024-06-12T12:55:44+00:00

Unless a woman lives in the woods in a cabin, she built herself, she already chose men.

thewealthyironworker · 2024-06-12T13:41:03+00:00

You are being gaslit by them. The idea that they can say what they want, but you must meet their needs is merely meant to dismiss your POV.

Feminism is NOT an equality movement; rather, it's a movement that is designed to elevate women at the expense of men. This is why advocates always bring up political positions, C-suite, etc. (the positions deemed Highest) but NEVER the worst careers. Jordan Peterson does a good job addressing this.

I have seen people do mental gymnastics to try and make facts fit their ideology. The first bear in the woods a woman sees will have her looking for a man to help her.

CalmValuable · 2024-06-12T08:55:33+00:00

You could try pointing out how men, on an annualized basis, experience rape and sexual assault at rates similar to women and watch her brain break; probably wont resolve the conflict though.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4062022/

hottake_toothache · 2024-06-12T10:52:50+00:00

It has raided a sacred relationship in my life and poisoned the well.

That is what feminist demonization of men does. Many of us have had personal relationships fractured by this garbage.

Bewpadewp · 2024-06-12T17:17:09+00:00

Tbh we should just all start treating women as universally dangerous and evil, and make them feel guilty for existing as women, as if their existence alone is oppressive and a threat, just so they can see exactly how they treat all of us.

When i walk out in public, im not a person, im a potential monster, and society sees nothing wrong with actively treating me that way, simply based on the genitalia i was born with.

Maybe we should just Uno Reverse them for a month. Avoid them in public, act openly put off by their presence, talk about them- to their face- as if they're just a predator waiting to strike us. Lets just constantly and deliberately assume the absolute worst out of them, and generalize all women exclusively based on the actions of the most evil and sinister minority, and if any of them complain about how "not all women are like that" we'll just claim the only reason they'd be offended is if it's true.

NeitherBearNorTree · 2024-06-12T08:17:43+00:00

I know how you feel. I've completely lost patience with this trend.

You can't defend yourself because they'll label it "toxic aggression", and stamp you down even further. I recommend agreeing with the men's group ironically.

I.E. "we men must take responsibility for it all", but push it way beyond sanity. We men must NEVER speak to a woman unless spoken to. We men must NEVER look at a woman, especially in the eyes. Be docile around your friend. Either you'll confirm the friendship was already lost, or it'll force her to reflect on her behaviour.

djc_tech · 2024-06-12T12:46:06+00:00

So this is just a thing to knock you down a peg. Don’t take too much value in what they’re saying. Ask them this:

If a fire were burning down a building and you have to take an elevator down because the stairs were in fire see you getting in the elevator with a bear or a man?

If they choose the bear box if death then you know they’re lying pieces of shit and don’t need to worry about what they say.

Most women are in an environment where they encounter girders if not thousands of men every day and nothing happens. If you encounter a bear in the woods there is a pretty decent likelihood that they’ll eat you. Not a high probability but enough of one that most people will be scared and back away. You encounter a man hiking in the woods more often and nothing happens.

In any case don’t let this bother you. It’s a trope meant to dehumanize men and knock them down a peg, don’t let it. Most of the ones that choose the bear wouldn’t be chosen by men anyways

Baboon_Stew · 2024-06-12T13:39:56+00:00

When you cousin and female friends reach out for a favor, just tell them to call a bear.

BananaB0yy · 2024-06-12T19:02:08+00:00

its just classical womens logic, a way for them to say they feel unsafe around strangers (which is a reasonable feeling probably given all these creeps out there), no need to argue that on a logical level with people you know. its fun to talk shit about feminists, with friends, it just poisons the well

CEBA_nol · 2024-06-12T19:22:05+00:00

We should have a counter, something like, Woman vs. Fleshlight

Recording_Important · 2024-06-12T11:40:03+00:00

to hell with that mens group

Roninizer · 2024-06-12T10:02:59+00:00

https://youtu.be/KnMmL1Ix7MA?si=7FzzK335Ve34aJgv

This video might help, if you can excuse the click bait title.

Which_Flatworm_8020 · 2024-06-12T14:31:26+00:00

dated a feminist too. they're delusional.

pirate694 · 2024-06-12T14:34:14+00:00

Could care less... I stop associating with people who follow this nonsense... let them sort it out with a bear, more air for me in the end.

Prudent_Medicine_857 · 2024-06-12T16:01:54+00:00

As to the man vs bear argument, it seems very stupid to me to believe that dehumanizing men by telling them they are worse than wild animals will decrease violence against women.

How do they expect it to decrease violence against women? Do they expect rapists to say something like hmmm maybe I should rape less if women say they don't like it? No single rapist will be stopped by thus man vs bear argument. But it will definitely scare off many young men making them turn to conservatism as an alternative to the ideology that tells them they are worse than wild animals.

Ryuhi · 2024-06-12T12:10:13+00:00

First, the whole man / bear thing is at best showcasing how dumb people are about statistics.

Many have said it, but everyone should know that like so many other things, it is a dumb statement. It is like saying because more people die from accidents at home, you are safer climbing a mountain without safety gear than lying on your couch.

But it is not just the usual idiocy about people showing that they do not understand statistics (and frequently not basic mathematics either). This is deliberately phrased to manipulate people, make them feel guilty, denigrate them.

As to the posters situation… I admit, the AFAB language is rather a red flag for me. Anyone who goes with the clearly false idea that you are assigned as male or female at birth, in an age where most people already know the sex of the baby before, will likely have a very warped perspective on everything. Outside very rare and very complex intersex conditions (unlike the much more common ines which still have a clear biological sex with only some atypical developments), that language makes no sense.

It is tragic if this affects someone you do deeply care about, but I do not think there is a better solution than distancing yourself. If you already suffered abuse, you do not deserve being abused again as part of some twisted collective guilt scheme.

Common-Ferret-1435 · 2024-06-12T07:57:03+00:00

Meh. Don’t worry about it. It’s basically just women messing about and a bunch of 400lb, blue haired leg beards giggling from some sort of “revenge” against the “moids” as if anyone would talk to them in the woods.

Best ignore it. Give zero emotional energy. They give zero emotional energy ro anything you deal with, so why give them the oxygen?

truth-informant · 2024-06-12T13:01:49+00:00

Well without going into SA, let's just look at murder. Most murders are pre-meditated crimes of passion. They are crimes against people the murderer knows and has built up over time. Random murders are extremely rare outside of serial killers, which I'm sure the FBI has stats on, but I know it is very rare (I have several family members who worked in law enforcement).

Bowlnk · 2024-06-12T16:42:23+00:00

This next bit is satire:

It makes sense. Bears are over 6 feet tall, muscular, unemployed, have multible baby mamas, don't raise their own kids. And are extremely violent. Everything the modern women wants.

AdamChap · 2024-06-12T21:30:20+00:00

I used to have friends like this. Used to.

Novitschok · 2024-06-12T10:30:39+00:00

Hey, firstly I genuinely feel sorry for you, this toxic debate is going on for too long and really excavated some dark sides out of people. I don't think it is worth sacrificing a deep Connection you have for this. Try to avoid heated debates and maybe spend some time reflecting about how you can best communicate that you are hurt. Getting angry usually has no point, staying quiet and factual communicates hurt far better. Maybe try to explain that getting accused of such things places you in a defensive position and that this doesn't mean you are part of the problem. Also, there were some good posts with counter arguments in this sub. Good luck

solar-garlic1776 · 2024-06-12T12:49:20+00:00

The bear is everything they want

The bear is over 6 foot, muscular, procreates with different females, and is violent. The bear is what modern women want.

Also, why are you letting the lesser inferior gender get to you

cplog991 · 2024-06-12T15:15:05+00:00

Its gaslighting at best

EOD_Bad_Karma · 2024-06-12T12:31:05+00:00

Don’t listen to stupid people.

If I had to choose between being stuck with a woman or a bear in the woods? I’d pick the bear too, because most women would be useless in the woods. Just dead weight. They’d play the victim and expect me to keep them fed and alive. Then if we did get out, she’d claim to be the hero of the story while literally carrying me on her back the entire way. Maybe even sprinkle in an accusation of SA for flavor.

Meanwhile, the bear is going to go purely off natural instincts, either it’s going to eat me, or we’ll become friends and it can take care of itself. Which either way, is fine with me, at least it is decisive, finite and clear.

Nightwynd · 2024-06-12T09:25:24+00:00

Have you ever seen any of the videos that ask men 'who would you rather talk to about your feelings, a woman or a dog?'

My honest advice is to spell it out for her in a long text/email/written whatever. How the inane argument is stupid, how it's driven a wedge between you two, everything. Then at the end put the ball firmly in her court. Don't engage further until she's ready to come to the proverbial table and actually talk, instead of spouting feminist talking point bs. Because you're right, the man vs bear IS divisive. Most of what feminism has ever been about is to separate, and divide, then provide leverage against men by creating a monolith of both genders and pointing at victims of the past and shouting very loudly about how oppressed they were and applying it all to the people of today.

IamTheConstitution · 2024-06-12T13:43:31+00:00

Yeah. My sister and I were very close growing up. She became a feminist and when we were teens it just seemed cute. But later we just clashed more until I really learned what a feminist was but she had moved away and we both had jobs and barely saw each other and my mom knew what’s up and basically said when I see my sister not to get into it if I can help it and I think she talked to her too so we rarely see each other and when we do we both try not talk talk about anything that will trigger each other. I love my sister but I could never spend more then a few hours with her once a year with her. Last time I saw her she introduced her boyfriend to us. In front of her husband and kids.

eli_ashe · 2024-06-12T18:02:06+00:00

it is a good narrative as it affords an opportunity to point out the misandry people express and hold on to. It is divisive for that reason.

it isn't that the conversation is 'bad' it is that folks harbor misandristic views which when exposed are actually difficult to deal with.

they hate you on some level, and when that comes up, it is quite difficult to deal with.

Roddy0608 · 2024-06-12T18:38:52+00:00

I'm going to do the right thing and stay away from these people. After all, I'm more dangerous than a bear.

JonSnowsGhost · 2024-06-12T19:35:15+00:00

but they just say that I am not validating their feelings, while they say things that I find upsetting

Hopefully your relationship with your cousin is such that you can express similar thoughts/feelings to them and have some understanding be reciprocated.

Something like "when people say that they would prefer to run into a bear instead of a man, it makes me feel demonized, that people are assuming I am worse than a wild animal."

The minute amount of "success" I've ever had when trying to show that the modern demonization of men is disgusting has only ever come from using specific examples of men in their lives. You can't logic someone out of feeling that bears are somehow safer than men, because they didn't logic their way in.

Beljuril-home · 2024-06-12T19:44:35+00:00

I have a take on the "trapped in the woods with a man or bear" trope that I haven't really seen others express.

Basically - the outcome/answers are being distorted by our unconscious assumptions about the woods.

Remember those logic riddles that rely on the unconscious assumptions of the riddle answerers?

"a surgeon and his son take a flight. the flight crashes and the son is the only survivor. when he gets to the trauma centre the surgeon working there exclaims - I can't operate! this is my son!

How is this possible?"

the riddle is only a paradox because the audience subconsciously assumes that the surgeon refusing to operate is a man. once you realize that the son's mother is also a surgeon everything makes sense.

So too does the presence of "the woods" distort the man vs bear question with our unconscious biases.

"lone man in woods" is a cultural trope that involves decades of horror genre antagonists and real-life anti-social people.

we subconsciously associate bad intentions and/or anti-social behaviour to lone men in woods, whereas for similar reasons we assume that the bear is of the least dangerous type. black bears are found in woods. polar bears are not.

I suspect if the meme was instead phrased as "your plane crashes at at the north pole. would you rather be stuck there with a man or a bear?" that many more women would pick the man than the bear.

men at the north pole are culturally associated with Inuits and explorers, not serial killers and anti-social outcasts, whereas bears at the north pole are unconsciously assumed to be polar bears not black bears.

The framing of the man vs bear as a woodsy setting brings with it many unconscious assumptions that distort peoples answers to the meme in ways they are no more aware of than those answering the riddle of the surgeon's son.

BlueWolf107 · 2024-06-12T19:46:34+00:00

You should ask them what if you refused to work alone with a woman.

Oh that’s different somehow?

There’s your answer. They are hypocrites.

Just like not all men are r@pists, not all women will falsely accuse a man of something.

Angcb · 2024-06-12T20:52:43+00:00

This is probably not going to be the response you want to read, but I say this with the best intentions: if a viral trend has damaged a 10 years old relationship with someone you consider like a very close relative, then the problem is not the trend as much as (both) your reaction to it.

The topic could be pulling a string in both of you (it was also annoying me when I first got exposed to it, "just another man bashing trend" I thought), a feeling that you cannot articulate properly, and therefore cannot get validation for, leading you to experience an escalating frustration. Or it could be that it's exposing two different world-views and life experiences that translate into this difference of opinion, and would need more unpacking work for both of you to reach a mutual understanding.

Most people arguing about this on social media are full of crap, but if you are discussing this question seriously, remember that it's about feelings: it's okay to feel differently about the same situation. It's okay to have irrational or illogical feelings about a given situation. What matters is understanding where these feelings come from. Attempt to prioritize the fact that you both like each others in these conversations, and want to understand one another. Understanding may come with time. Do not let the idea that your cousin got "brainwashed by feminism" be the only excuse you rely on for failing to reach common ground (even if the Internet brainrot does affect us all). In other words, convincing the other that they are wrong is not as important as trying to build a bridge between both your opinions, so that you can meet in the middle and see from the same perspective.

Good luck, and I hope you can stay far enough from Internet drama to find peace!

PastPriority-771 · 2024-06-12T18:33:24+00:00

The problem is that women don’t seem to understand why men are so upset. It’s not a hit toward our pride, and to be honest I could care less what some random stranger on the internet thought of me.

It’s what the women closest to us think, that matters.

When my own sister, who I’ve loved since the day she was born, always strived to be a good example to, and who I would easily lay my life down for her says she’d pick a bear? You realize that women don’t make distinctions. You’re a man. Not their son, not their brother, not their closest friend. You’re a man, and you’re a threat.

THEAdrian · 2024-06-12T14:52:45+00:00

Just go to the zoo and tell every woman you see to jump into the bear enclosures to get away from all the men.

Streaker4TheDead · 2024-06-12T15:51:09+00:00

It started with feminists being clowns but most of it was just memes and trolling.

Durmyyyy · 2024-06-12T16:13:36+00:00

Its just a way to shit on men.

In real life they would never take a bear over a man.

nathanv70 · 2024-06-13T00:13:42+00:00

This is simply an excuse to hate men, and it’s only possible because of how soft women have gotten due to modernity. Women’s 3 biggest killers across history have been fixed by men: starvation/childbirth/disease. They are so privileged that they have the gall to view their greatest providers and protectors as the enemy.

I run a hobby farm in addition to working a normal job and it struck me how much women need men to do just about anything. We were setting up a training one for a few piglets and when it came to nailing in fence nails, my wife straight up asked me to do it after 10 minutes of trying because she literally couldn’t do it. We ran electric fencing too and she couldn’t hammer the grounding rod deep enough into the ground. Women simply cannot manipulate their environment the way that men can. There were 2 rolls of 4 foot tall, 100 foot long fencing wire that I carried up and down a hill and my wife had a hard time moving it ten feet from where I put it down. I’m not a big man and she’s not a small weak woman, but the differences are beyond apparent.

My wife, because of our hobbies, gets to see the stark gap in our capabilities all the time because of this but most women do not. They genuinely believe that they’re as physically capable of men and do not know about any of the dangers that nature has waiting around the corner.

One last example, we were walking through the woods of our property when we first bought it and we were carrying around our twin one year old boys and a dog came charging up barking his head off. My wife screamed, lost her shit, and scurried behind me. This dog was less than 30 pounds and all I did was step in front and yell at the dog to sit. Her mentality was completely unprepared for the fact that even our ‘civilized’ woods in Virginia could house a potential danger. And that was just neighbors dog.

The_0bserver · 2024-06-13T00:42:10+00:00

Someone I know brought it up. I asked if she wants me to drop her inside the bear enclosure at the zoo instead of hitching a ride with me.

That stopped that topic real quick.

LouisdeRouvroy · 2024-06-12T11:12:32+00:00

My cousin is AFAB.

If sex was assigned at birth, there'd be no gender reveal.

Sex is recognized at birth. Big difference.

The man vs. bear is just showing how females are just full of shit and why their word isn't worth much (and then they cry why they're not believed).

Any woman encountering a bear on a path would back away towards a man on the other side.

They're lying. We know they're lying. They know we know they're lying. And still, they're lying.

Never take at face value anything a woman says, the Bear vs. Man thing actually showed that clearly.

hali420 · 2024-06-12T13:29:42+00:00

Is afab like super fabulous?

AdmiralTigelle · 2024-06-12T22:07:55+00:00

Sometimes, out of nowhere, women will just say something random just to see if they can piss men off. It's kind of like they do it to see if we care what they think, and of course we do. It's only natural that we care what a half of the world thinks of us. Just keep in mind that the large majority of women who feel safer with a bear are women who can't last in or find a relationship in the first place.

You generally fear what you don't understand.

Joker_01884 · 2024-06-13T02:29:32+00:00

I still don't get why western men take this "I choose the bear" seriously.

I mean you should understand that they use this slang to trigger men and if you explain to them this is wrong you are just giving them attention . And this is how women are winning.

Attention seeking women always comes to me and says they choose bear over men . And I say I choose Ps5 / Xbox over women because I can't take women's physical and verbal abuse .

You gotta understand what are their intentions. Did you forget , to trigger and shame men they made the term "Manspreading" in 2015 ?

Btw I'm creating a post with that .

Additional_Run_6366 · 2024-06-12T15:04:15+00:00

I always pick man. Tbh I always felt safest with a man. Even though I have lots of trauma it's where I feel safest but then again I am not like the ones who choose bear and act like victims 24/7. That's what this all is imo. It's just acting like a victom.

xxTheMagicBulleT · 2024-06-12T20:29:42+00:00

Well bring up the guy opening up to a women or a tree debate then cause it's kinda makes it's rounds in the same way and women haveing trouble about that too.

But simple fact invest in people. But only keep investing if they invest back into you.

Don't make a weird thing on the internet shake up your wold view. Just be for others what you want other to be for you. When they don't treat you well or only take and don't give just cut them out of yea life like a bad cold.

Don't live to make other happy. Live to make your self happy first and then the people that you care about along your journey. But don't give up on your self to satisfy some one that does not care about you.

And that's what everything don't keep investing or give money to things and people that say they hate you.

That goes with people that rude or disrespectful to you outside of the job space. But that also goes with the company's.

Movies. Games. Beer brands. Just don't suport people that say that activity hate you. By giving them what they want.

So don't over think about it just focus on being and finding your own happiness in live. Not fussing about some crazy women 70% of them no one wants to fuck anyway. Not worth your energy or the mental capacity it takes. Focus on things that can make or be beneficial to you. And things you can control. Not the things you can't.

You can say you want to push or move a mountain. There are moments you just have to admit you can't change some things. And adjust and make choices that's the best for your self. And focus on things that are much more beneficial to you and your own health and mental state.

Things you can't control should not be the biggest parts of your life. Or your mental state. It wil only lead to path of self destruction. There is no salvation on that path

Qantourisc · 2024-06-13T22:22:25+00:00

"we men must take responsibility for it all" <- No it's not because I share ONE genes that I am responsible for all those people.

This has a name when it comes to other genes: racism.

BravoPUA · 2024-06-12T12:24:56+00:00

No. The dumb question didn’t “raid a sacred relationship”. It exposed your cousin as a dummy.

And the fact that you were going down the same path. Being a dummy.

But this, something inside knows how dumb it is.

So there is hope for you.

Don’t listen to liberals. Don’t date them. Don’t be one.

Be a man. An awesome one and only invest your time and energy in people who appreciate THAT

SlowLearnerGuy · 2024-06-12T13:32:32+00:00

Man vs bear. What a bunch of politically correct woke bullshit. Why do you care about it? The only useful aspect is that it allows instant identification of dumbfucks, i.e. those who even participate in such shit because they have nothing better to think about.

You're a guy, act like it. If someone wants to discuss it then you simply laugh at them and say: "what the fuck are you even talking about?".

Fucking man vs bear, our ancestors would be ashamed at what they have spawned.

Then again maybe you were being satirical and I misinterpreted it, I'm the dumbass in that case lol.

NotARussianBot1984 · 2024-06-12T16:18:37+00:00

The girl I'm seeing explained it like this "It's a black bear, they are mostly harmless, while 5%~ of men are not harmless"

I agree to that. but if it was a polar bear, you are right. But the whole point to the topic was to be controversial. It's a real man vs woman world out there now. My local university has started banning men from applying to jobs in ontario

Omni_Xeno · 2024-06-13T05:56:05+00:00

The funny thing is that this topic can literally be applied to race and all the things that you can do to race like how they say “statistically bears blah blah blah” but if you say “statistically (insert race)” then it is suddenly irrelevant argument or bad

Euphoric_Passenger · 2024-06-12T12:28:36+00:00

I think it you really care about a woman, you need to validate her feelings but you don't need to agree with everything she feels.

You may point out inconsistencies while expressing understanding on why she would choose to lean into the inconsistencies because of her experience.

alexisanalien · 2024-06-12T12:53:53+00:00

The argument is less 'the bear is safer'.

Its that women know the bear will probably kill them.

And that they would rather be eaten by the bear than raped.

The bear won't prolong the pain or torture for sport. It's not cruel, just hungry. The bear doesn't enjoy killing, it's just hungry.

But the risk of ending up like junko faruta, however small, is far more terrifying than becoming the bears dinner.

That is why they choose the bear. Better the danger they know than the risk of what's worse.

This isn't about statistics, and it's not about individual men, it's about that small possibility of becoming one of the hundreds of women who have never been seen again, and the fear of the unknown.

It's not a bear, or a man. It's that death, quick death is a guarantee, rather than the terrifying alternative of having to live through something else.

Yog-Nigurath · 2024-06-12T16:07:32+00:00

I think we should sometimes just let the argument go. I mean, if your relationship with your cousin is so important, why just not change the topic? Pick your battles. The man vs bear thing is just a stupid fad.

Cotehill · 2024-06-12T18:04:46+00:00

It’s no different from marriage. Based on prior knowledge do the person, there is not one variable that a man can use to determine that the woman won’t completely screw him over and obliterate his life 5 years later.

In the same way, women don’t know that the man in the woods wouldn’t harm them.

Women don’t meet bears and think they are cuddly. Women who have been asked this question don’t go hiking - and don’t understand that most men hiking are there to get away from everyone, enjoy exercise and exploring, and generally wouldn’t hurt anyone either.

And this is why men and women are at a pivotal point. Each refuses to trust the other.

There is one thing that is absolutely certain about women though: 100% will use violence against a man to get their way, 100% will use emotional abuse to get their way, 100% will ridicule and humiliate their man to their face, 100% will ridicule their man to their friends, 100% will manipulate and lie to get their way, and 100% will remember something you said 5 years ago that they didn’t like and will throw it in your face as some kind of evidence of how bad you are.

DeadBedroomJohn · 2024-06-12T08:30:20+00:00

Look guys, it's biology. It's the animal kingdom. The average female bird loathes the average male bird. It's just the way it is.

Stop thinking too much about it, human beings aren't special, we're animals with consciousness whatever that means.

Just enjoy your life and let it all crumble.

KingOfKekistani · 2024-06-12T14:50:41+00:00

It’s a hard thought to reconcile but it reveals that most women are intrinsically scared of men

Lando_Lee · 2024-06-12T18:46:55+00:00

If the relationship is that important, maybe you should drop trying to make them see everything how you do, because they don’t, shouldn’t, and never will, that’s not how opinions work.

There is absolutely no way that man vs bear is all you guys can talk about, and I have a feeling it’s something that only you bring attention too, let that fire die out brother, stop feeding it, it’s not a big deal.

Winter_Goose199 · 2024-06-12T08:47:41+00:00

Since my post didn’t get any attention I’ll write it here.

Hey kings,

I’m in a bit of a red-pill nightmare here and could use some advice. My girlfriend (let’s call her “Miss Flirty”) has this infuriating habit of beta-orbiting waiters every time we go out. At first, I thought she was just being polite, but it’s turned into a full-on flirt fest.

We’ll be at a restaurant, and she starts with the eye batting, giggling at their jokes, and acting like these guys are some sort of alpha gods. Meanwhile, I’m sitting there trying not to rage-slam my drink. It’s like she’s trying to AMOG me right in front of these dudes.

Last weekend, it hit a new level. We were at this fancy joint, and she was practically giving the waiter her number with the tip. She’s all, “Oh, it’s just harmless fun,” but it feels like a major hit to my frame. I’ve tried holding strong—maintaining eye contact, dropping some DHVs, and even throwing in some playful negging—but nothing sticks. It’s like I’m the invisible man once a waiter enters the scene.

I’ve even tried some new strategies—like “Sigma Standing,” where I just chill and act unbothered, and “Alpha Shielding,” where I subtly reframe the convo to highlight my value—but it’s like these guys are Kryptonite to my game.

How do I handle this without coming off as an insecure beta? I need to re-establish my alpha dominance here without causing a huge blowout. Has anyone else dealt with their SO flirting with other guys? What’s the best way to assert my frame and make it clear that I’m the top dog in this relationship?

Appreciate any solid advice from you legends. Stay alpha, keep your frame tight, and may your dinners always be drama-free.

RabidusUnus · 2024-06-12T15:03:10+00:00

Personally I think this got blown out of context.

A lot of people would rather be attacked by a bear than a person. The narrative is still right regardless of your sex.

People are gonna always jump in and help the person being attacked by the bear in some capacity.

You see someone getting abused and 99% of people will walk right on by.

They aren’t wrong, it just got made personal.

miroku000 · 2024-06-12T17:13:33+00:00

My dad shot a bear just outside his house. Not that far away, in the woods, my brother has run into someone with an M-16 who encouraged him to go in a different direction that was not towards his illicit marajuana crops when wandering in the forest. I have personally encountered quite a few random people when hiking. Generally speaking, there is no reason to be super-afraid of a bear or a human you encounter in the woods. Though, the odds of a human attacking you are probably slightly higher.

Title	Man vs. Bear is a divisive talking point and it just hit me in a vulnerable place.
Author	CoitalFury17
Upvotes	346
Comments	247
Date	June 12, 2024 7:49 AM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1de14mf/man_vs_bear_is_a_divisive_talking_point_and_it/
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