This needs to stop. Now.

HexCodeHarry · 2012-07-25T15:51:24+00:00

Agreed. All that petty crap does to people is fill them with hate that blinds them from the real issues. I know it has worked on me on several occasions.

oneiorosgrip · 2012-07-25T17:51:42+00:00

I see two sides to this. On one hand, everything you said about the importance of dealing with bigger, harder rights impacting issues is fully on target. It is not effective or productive for the movement to be distracted by examples which, individually, only have emotional impact, and only on those who see them. Even though the response - outrage and disgust - is perfectly valid, getting outraged and sharing one's disgust does not fight the battles that need to be won in order to regain equal rights standing in society and in law.

On the other hand, bigotry displays on social networking sites are so common and so often filled with nonsense, venom, and ignorance, that it's a challenge for an individual aware of the damage done by the practical application of those attitudes to just keep it to himself, especially if he's been subjected to that application through domestic disputes, criminal investigation and censure, or active discrimination (as in hiring/promotion preference, creep-shaming, or harassment.) Sometimes, MRAs just need someplace to express their outrage and disgust at the reality that exists - that people do hold onto those attitudes and opinions.

At the same time, there is value in drawing attention to the frequent occurrence of these examples, in that they are symptoms of a larger issue, the common social tolerance of sexist attitudes toward men, versus the common social intolerance of sexist attitudes toward women. What is the right of the goose should be, but is not treated as, the right of the gander. The existence and prevalence of that attitude is the grass-roots motivator of the political/social move to discriminate against men using legislation and court activity.

It's important, then, to not ignore the existence of that symptom, but to call it out, discuss it, and decide upon ways to combat it. The consideration of this goes two directions; serious, damaging advocacy of sexist attitudes (for instance, the idea that "divorcing moms deserve preferential treatment in court on the assumption that women are better parents" would correspond to the idea that "if something bad happens to a kid in a 2 parent home, it's more the mother's fault than the father's") should be treated as wrong and discussed.

On the other hand, free speech is free speech - that which is acceptable to express in relation to men should be treated as okay to express in relation to women, critical generalities included,(i.e., men are wimps when they get sick; women are bad drivers. We know these things are false generalizations - there are though men and good female drivers, and wimpy men and bad female drivers - and so does anyone else. It is just as whiny and oversensitive to bitch and moan about this kind of humor from the man's angle as it is from the woman's. I personally am more for arguing for the right to poke fun at women's driving (including my own) than arguing to censor everything to fit chip-on-shoulder sensibilities.

Political discussions on social sites where one viewpoint disregards the humanity and/or human rights of men in favor of anything about women should be brought to light if for no other reason than for purposes of educating the movement on social attitudes. Sexist cartoons and jokes with generalize men in a bad light - even on the same offensive level as "dead baby" jokes - are merely a netting of the bottom of the barrel of human expression, and don't deserve the level of attention they receive.

Maybe MR is not the place for that. Perhaps a subreddit could be created for that - not in the SRS tone of taking things out of context and condemning every little example of alleged unilateral sexism they find, but in the tone of highlighting the and discussing the problem wherein society condemns misogyny but tolerates and even often defends misandry.

tailcalled · 2012-07-25T20:20:44+00:00

People need to start using the subreddit system more. What if we added a /r/MRSmallThings, /r/MRVenting, etc?

a_weed_wizard · 2012-07-25T17:01:16+00:00

Your problem is mostly with the way reddit works and the average kind of meme-image posting yokel that populates it. This is a problem with every single subreddit. Skip the shitty threads and deal with it.

bluequail · 2012-07-25T19:52:15+00:00

But taking every chance you get to condemn random fucking women over the internet does NOTHING to solve it.

The general gist of your post is absolutely right. But on this line above...

I can understand men being bitter about their female counterparts over at feminism. I can understand that there are males that operate at the same level as some of the crazier women - after all, they are both human.

I wish you luck in getting the general male populace in conducting themselves at a level that you consider becoming to them. I haven't had any luck in reining in the crazier women that shame all women by their behavior. :)

Yosuke_Hanamura · 2012-07-25T19:36:39+00:00

I know some people might get annoyed by things like this, but I really think it has a purpose. As annoying as you find it, posts like these tend to generate a large amount of discussion around Men's rights issues, and for that reason alone, they should stay. We shouldn't be trying to limit what should be posted on this subreddit.

2012-07-26T00:24:02+00:00

Made an /r/MensFrustrations.

2012-07-25T21:29:32+00:00

1000% agree with the OP.

thefran · 2012-07-25T20:48:44+00:00

No more articles speaking on outlier women doing strange things

I've been saying that for quite a while. "women doing bad things" is a recurring topic in this subreddit that is absolutely not constructive. if we spammed "black people doing bad things" kinda articles that would've implied we're racists collecting evidence, no?

It is only constructive if it's relevant to men's rights. Do we need to raise donations or something? Did a man get screwed over by law or public just because he's a man? Did a woman escape punishment despite a man involved in the same crime or similar crime getting full sentence?

gringo1980 · 2012-07-25T18:52:53+00:00

Perhaps /r/MensRights could evolve into two subreddits (one micro and one macro?).

TheyCalledMeMad · 2012-07-25T16:12:43+00:00

It is uncomfortable to read about these things because of the emotions that they stir up. It is uncomfortable, but it is still relevant. We have a culture of pervasive misandry, casual demeaning of men, a culture wherein it is entirely too easy to pick up the idea that men are morally inferior to women. This is an idea that needs to be challenged. If logical arguments were enough to do so, I would be in full favor of only using those - but they aren't. Another method of challenging to is to bring attention to the other half of the facade - the lie that women are morally superior. This part is unpleasant for many people, but this does not make it less relevant.

Personally, I'd like it if we could all stop shitting on each other and admit that we're all heroes and villains, both. I hope that happens some day, though I'm not holding my breath.

Stratocaster89 · 2012-07-25T21:16:21+00:00

First time this sub has ever made the top 100 in /r/all and its a good telling off.

2012-07-25T21:41:04+00:00

Please make a post on /r/atheism and maybe on /r/trees as well. You seem to be good at making a point and I think those two subreddits don't differ so much.

yupitsani · 2012-07-26T05:57:10+00:00

I really don't understand facebook posts...one of your friends say something stupid? FUCKING UNFRIEND THAT BEYOTCH. People are petty and annoying

PublicStranger · 2012-07-26T07:04:18+00:00

My boyfriend dismisses the men's rights movement as a parody of feminism. I've tried to convince him of its merits (paternal rights, keeping boys in school and college, prison reform, domestic violence reduction, etc.), and he does agree with those notions, but when he tries to research the men's rights movement on his own, he keeps seeing MRAs complaining about the same petty he-said-she-said that feminists do. He doesn't take it seriously; he thinks MRAs are more focused on feeling like precious victims than actually enacting needed changes, which is exactly the same complaint he levels against feminists.

If someone who already has a problem with feminism thinks the men's rights movement is failing to justify itself, then how can we convince the larger population that we need this movement? We need organization and focus: a specific platform and specific solutions.

2012-07-26T10:36:06+00:00

I understand your frustration. As a Jewish MRA activist, I kind of wish we didn't get so many intactivist troll posts on the sub either. But reddit is a psuedo democracy and I'll defend their right to post their opinion as strenuously as I oppose them using the violence of the state against my people.

MaunaLoona · 2012-07-25T17:13:42+00:00

Pointing out and seeing the general trends of women misbehaving is part of the lengthy process of cultural deprogramming, that is, taking the red pill, which is the very first step to succeeding as an MRA.

I agree with you about memes and facebook posts in this subreddit. They bring the quality of the subreddit down and they're against the rules. Downvote, report, and move on.

HPeroit · 2012-07-25T17:52:19+00:00

I agree with you for the most part. I do think there are times when the case of an outlier should be called into attention; where the law shows bias. I think this is what most people intend to do. They are not always trying to say "look women can be shitty,too." Everyone can be shitty... we know this.
I think an outlier case should be posted when there is a near identical case where a man who did a shitty thing received a worse punishment than when a woman did a shitty thing. This should not be speculation, however. The two articles should be posted.
No more "If a man did this he'd get 20 years..." That is petty. It is not petter, I think, when a woman sexually abuses two children and an article pertaining her sentancing is posted with a near-identical case in which a man was the perpatrator. This would help explicitly show bias.
While we know this bias exists, it is foolish to assume that others do. They will see speculation and just turn and walk away. If they see two similar cases with wildly different sentancings side by side with no other factors that could contribute to those sentancings but gender, then people will take it seriously.
Just my two cents.

DejaBoo · 2012-07-25T18:17:18+00:00

What is needed is place (a sub) people can vent their frustrations without harming the MRA movement (e.g., the key points the OP mentions).

I've mentioned this before even with mods and apparently the consensus is to leave all material in this sub. I personally don't agree with that because such material can detract from the Concrete Issues and get the this sub labeled as a "bitch fest."

I don't know if someone wants to step up and make a sub called something like "MensFrustration" or what, but everyone needs a place they can vent and reach out to people who share the same frustrations without fear of harming a political cause. I fear blending the two causes harm more than it helps and causes many of us not feel "free" to air our problems out because exactly what the OP is describing.

/shrugs

therealxris · 2012-07-25T20:19:07+00:00

If you have new generation of mra's actually calling people out in public on facebook and wherever without shame, which we do - its a sign of real success and progress. Its a large step closer to a tipping point from underground opinion to mainstream opinion.

Doesn't matter if some of it is less than nuanced because that can't be helped as you cannot control all the people all the time, and it will be improved upon over time.

Obviously people coming out as mra in public is going to make anti mra people step up efforts to shame and frighten them back into obscurity as it is a HUGE step towards that tipping point. Its terrifying to them.

This subreddit is turning more and more into a petty woman bashing forum every day.

Calling an individual or individuals out for bashing men or being ignorant, is not the same thing as bashing women. If you see someone bashing women, just say something in the comments and down vote them.

Mobius01010 · 2012-07-25T19:31:29+00:00

Not trying to pick a fight or anything, seriously, but even if there were men's rights violations happening at the same scale as women's rights violations in the 'bad Islamist regions' with honor killings and mutilation, do you think we would have a 'headline story' every day? I don't know, myself; just speculation. Think about it; racism is a big deal, but not as bad as worrying about hangings, etc. It's basically been defeated to the point that it's only words now. There are racists, who talk crap, and there are the victims, who bitch about the racists talking crap. I'm making it sound like a circle jerk now... too stoned. Maybe you're right...

PsyChuan · 2012-07-25T17:41:54+00:00

OP, my guess is it won't stop, judging by the responses here. It seems weird that people call 'concern troll' when others say 'lets focus on relevant stuff.'

I wonder if we can make an /r/MensRightsBot, like the /r/AtheismBot

ZimbaZumba · 2012-07-25T22:15:47+00:00

There is a certain wisdom to your words. However the way this World works is that the squeky wheel gets oiled, regardless of how rational it might be.

cictem · 2012-07-25T23:16:31+00:00

Read two first paragraphs, enough for upboat.

ruhsler · 2012-07-26T00:45:52+00:00

so like r/atheism then?

AloysiusC · 2012-07-26T07:17:04+00:00

The problem with this is who gets to decide which battles are worth it and when something is not just a petty little incident? You?

No matter how small, one can always make the case that such people would not be so bigoted if they were held more accountable by society. In other words, there is potentially significance in every little example as it could be a symptom of the underlying gender bias in all of society.

keypuncher · 2012-07-26T07:17:14+00:00

Well said.

Raging over what a lone lunatic says as if it were important is pointless - they're unlikely to convince anyone, and only the people who already agree with their views are going to listen. Taking them seriously here gives their insanity more credence than it deserves, and makes those doing so look a little loony themselves. It also makes it easier for your opponents to dismiss you.

Many men (and certainly many of those here) have one or more stories of how they were wronged by one or more women or by a system that favors them. The solution to that isn't raging about it or advocating doing worse in return, or setting bear traps around your wallet.

The solutions are to educate where people are ignorant of the issues, change the system so it is more fair, find women who are better than the ones who did bad things to men and treat them well, and to advocate for and practice ethical and reasoned behavior so that your voice is taken seriously.

2012-07-26T11:08:51+00:00

Thank you.

anillop · 2012-07-26T14:48:30+00:00

I couldn't agree with anything you said more. I used to spend a lot of time around here but lately I have been staying away more because it seems to more and more degenerate into feminism bashing.

2012-07-26T16:05:29+00:00

Sorry, man. We're past 40k readers, and this shit happens when communities get too large to police themselves. Time to make a new subreddit?

EternalArchon · 2012-07-25T18:47:15+00:00

You are right, but I doubt its going to stop.

Hear me out. MRM sites, or a subreddit like this, are the only place in our entire society where anyone can question the obvious manipulation and bad logic of certain brands of femenism. MRM wants to be a tight group with narrow goals, but that's going to be tough, because there is no doorman. I'm not saying this post isn't nessicary or good... But you better expect to have to keep repeating it.

In the outside world even uttering the possibility that a policy which only helps women or only hurts men might result in inequality are labeled evil. Downright evil. When you're labeled this way it feels really good to pile slam some clear evil and stupidity on the other side.

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simsoy · 2012-07-26T03:16:00+00:00

I agree, don't become the stereotypes society wants you to be. This is the internet and just because people cant break out of the screen and give you a good smacking or make your real life a living hell doesn't give you the excuse to act like a sexist jerk.

Sorenmatica · 2012-07-25T23:24:47+00:00

Thank you so much for putting all of my issues with the MR subreddit into words. We really need to stop finger-pointing, and just focus on equality. We're better than this.

picopallasi · 2012-07-26T04:11:17+00:00

Hear hear! We don't need to see facebook screen caps of ill-informed teenagers' myopic cliches riddled with spelling and grammatical errors.

Scott2508 · 2012-07-25T17:09:18+00:00

What is it about men's rights that it attracts so many "you won't be taken seriously until you do what I say" type threats?

ZorbaTHut · 2012-07-25T17:47:19+00:00

It's telling how many up votes OPs post has received: more, in fact, than posts detailing "real" men's rights issues.

It goes to show that there are many voices here more interested in sabotaging the MRM than there are people genuinely interested in Men's Rights.

expletive-deleted · 2012-07-25T15:49:03+00:00

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junkeee999 · 2012-07-25T23:48:12+00:00

Well stated.

Deva vu. I just had this same discussion here on another thread, and got no support.

Basically this subreddit is saying (as a formally stated part of its mission, no less) that in order to get people to stop saying men are bad we need to point out bad women. wut?

It's a joke. It's juvenile logic. And it's not what a real mens rights forum should be concerned with.

RachelJS · 2012-07-25T19:14:55+00:00

So, DA Mary Kellett (Bangor ME) is an outlier? Where would society be today if the MRM had NOT brought Kellett to the attention of the public? -- Where? She would continue her persecution of men, prosecutorial misconduct, perjury. -- Where is she? Standing before the bar charged with prosecutorial misconduct. Let's hope she is disbared and prosecuted for her misdeeds.

She is the personification of the term feminzai.

By NOT bringing these things to light, the MRM is playing to the complaints of the feminazis that NAWALT. Right NAWALT, but enough of them are and in positions of power and influence to harm men.

Tell me again why members of this reddit should not bring these things to light.

FOADSASCUM · 2012-07-25T15:53:42+00:00

So highlighting the ignorance and sexism against men in soceity is somehow no longer relavant?

It doesn't help that a great deal of misandry comes from women exclusively, there's an entire ideology dedicated to female supremacy which, naturally, comes at the disadvantage of men.

So when you see alot of women doing bad things posted somewhere dedicated to rooting out injustice against men, is the issue really that its being highlighted or that its women are being highlighted as doing this?

Really which bothers you more?

And for the record, no one is here to bash women, we're here to put misandrists in their place to protect the rights of men, in fact alot of the times when women are being highlighted as misandrists, its because somewhere along the line men did, or said nothing to stop it.

If alot of those misandrists also happen to be women, the problem isn't us its these women who have no problem being sexist and hateful.

douglasmacarthur · 2012-07-25T19:17:32+00:00

I agree with your general point but I think articles about women committing violent crimes and sex crimes make sense given the cultural perception that they don't.

Roddy0608 · 2012-07-25T20:55:53+00:00

I welcome the pointing out of any misandry.

st4rcrafty · 2012-07-25T22:09:40+00:00

Dude, this is the internet. You aren't being taken seriously. Get over it.

ObsidianOrangutan · 2012-07-25T23:55:55+00:00

You might be better off starting a /r/truemensrights and abandoning this one.

NWOslave · 2012-07-25T17:36:37+00:00

What you say is true. However, look how well it works for the ladettes. Anita, pretty much cried that her pixels were sexually harrassed by a mans pixels. She got a 160K for it. Seems to be a lot of power in complaining about nothing.

UnamusedPunk · 2012-07-25T18:28:29+00:00

You talk about bringing logic, reason, and stoicism back to this subreddit; yet you cuss and practically scream.

duglock · 2012-07-25T17:59:45+00:00

Maybe if your title didn't talk down to the readers you might not turn them off so badly they don't read a word you say.

Durpadoo · 2012-07-25T22:28:48+00:00

Because there's not enough space on the subreddit for all the types of posts.

hereisyourhero · 2012-07-25T22:51:27+00:00

Awesome stance on things. You guys are awesome!

chickenwinger · 2012-07-26T09:12:27+00:00

OP

This. Was. Brave.

VanillaSoul · 2012-07-26T15:15:13+00:00

We should not be sidetracked by bashing women yet we should call them out on their bullshit.

The BS caveat: Minority groups, i.e., women, cannot be sexist because historically they are subjugated. Therefore, oppressed women cannot engage in hate speech, bigotry, discrimination and prejudice because it has little effect on the dominant group and is just a reaction to oppression by men.

In my opinion, the aforementioned is BS put out by academia. Reverse discrimination is real.

Hypersapien · 2012-07-25T16:20:26+00:00

What needs to stop is the invasion of concern trolls and white knights that see any awareness raising of female wrong doing as misogyny.

We live in a culture in which criticism of women is not allowed, but criticism of men is applauded. Such posts serve to level the playing field, and that is why they are relevant.

Posts addressing other men's rights issues are also relevant, and you are free to make such posts, and up vote them when you see them.

However, the OP has not made any such posts.

Xenoith · 2012-07-25T17:04:36+00:00

We don't just bash women, maybe you should actually the read the posts you're complaining about. No one just posts pictures of a woman being normal, they post scenarios where women are getting away with double standards or spreading female supremacy. It has to be more well known, feminists deny misandry exists.

Demonspawn · 2012-07-25T17:08:53+00:00

I guess the OP is this week's "we need to be more socially acceptable" post.

othershoe · 2012-07-26T05:17:51+00:00

Good post. I don't consider myself an MRA but I do skim this subreddit and I am partial toward some MRA topics. Still, when I have browsed I see facebook screencaps and highlighting exceptions to get outraged about and marginal issues are given a pulpit. Beware that you so focus on your opposition that it turns into a spiraling conflict of peripheral bullshit where you mirror and reinforce each other.

2012-07-26T01:43:42+00:00

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T-spike · 2012-07-25T18:15:34+00:00

Agreed.
I don't want to see women degraded or put on display for a laughing stock. What I do want is to reverse and stop the culture of man-hating and erosion of men's rights that has been increasing for the past few decades. The worst that could happen is that we become (or even appear to be) a rabble of old-world misogynists after all.

timmytimtimshabadu · 2012-07-25T18:39:46+00:00

I agree, I unsubbed from mensrights because it had turned into a misogynistic SRS, long gone are the thought provoking articles about the need for custody reform, and the anecdotal stores of users having the courts system turned against them. What replaced it was vitriolic, one sided, and simpleminded stuff. didn't want that on my front page anymore.

2012-07-26T22:46:28+00:00

Yes, Thank you. Took the words right out of my mouth

FrenchFuck · 2012-07-25T17:37:05+00:00

Agreed

ThraseaPaetus · 2012-07-25T22:01:51+00:00

I was seriously contemplating making this post for days, I'm so glad someone has said it.

spyfer · 2012-07-28T01:29:33+00:00

I will admit to posting a facebook photo once. I apologize, thanks for creating the 2 other subreddits btw!.

chevalier_d_eon · 2012-07-25T19:20:58+00:00

Concern troll is concerned.

married_woman_plus_k · 2012-07-25T20:02:38+00:00

Textbook concern troll.

Unenjoyed · 2012-07-26T01:43:13+00:00

Did you even bother to look at the Mod Policy at r/MensRights, or did you just decided to be the decider?

2012-07-26T00:52:42+00:00

First I want to point out that this is the OP's VERY FIRST SUBMISSION TO THIS SUB. Aside from that, they have very few comments here.

YOU HAVE NO FUCKING RIGHT TO COMPLAIN SINCE YOU MAKE VERY MINIMAL CONTRIBUTIONS HERE.

Otherwise, I do agree that sometimes people posts things that don't belong here. You know what I do about it? Downvote and maybe direct them to the proper subreddit.

Also, you don't seem to understand the point of most "women behaving badly" posts. When we post articles about women committing crimes, the point we are usually trying to get across how lightly they are punished. When we post examples of people saying stupid things about men, they are meant to portray examples of pervasive cultural attitudes. Do you get it now?

2012-07-25T21:00:22+00:00

Not only do we need to promote people to submit solid and relevant content that is beyond the posts you describe, but we also need to promote downvoting posts that bring down the overall quality of content. Don't be afraid to let those downvotes fly.

fezzuk · 2012-07-25T21:48:30+00:00

great post apart from the last sentence, i think you kinda dropped the ball when you generalised all women and kinda whent against your whole point.

thm2130 · 2012-07-25T22:47:19+00:00

so who's down to make a subreddit for exactly the shit he's telling us not to do???

Remerez · 2012-07-25T23:37:18+00:00

I think this is a strategy. All you have to do if you don't like a sub-reddit is bombard it, posting increasing less important then eventually trivial links. its casebook Huxley, when you don't want people to know the truth simply create a dozen simpler "truths"

MrStonedOne · 2012-07-26T08:41:02+00:00

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shoegazer666 · 2012-07-30T05:47:09+00:00

Hey OP, this post is the highest voted post of all time for this subreddit Today, OP was a pretty cool guy.

airodynamic1000 · 2012-08-07T19:34:47+00:00

Can we put this on the side bar as a rule. My friend was telling me that he avoids this sub because of those stupid Facebook pictures.

lagspike · 2012-07-25T23:13:40+00:00

it is time

for NO MAAM

2012-07-26T07:35:02+00:00

You dont have the right to tell anybody to get the fuck out of anywhere pal. You need to tone this shit down yourself asshole. Be the change you want to see in the etc etc.

earl_sleek · 2012-07-26T09:21:21+00:00

Anyone else getting tired of the "OH GOD META POST GOING AGAINST THE GRAIN" shit all the time?

Fuck off

http://www.reddit.com/r/mensrightsmeta

Benocrates · 2012-07-25T19:49:29+00:00

I totally agree with you and just wanted to say that this "concern troll" bullshit has been going on for ages and is, for me, probably the number one most irritating thing about this. It's like they aren't even listening to themselves talking. They condemn feminists for not being able to handle criticism and then do exactly the same thing.

I realize this is the oldest story ever, but it's still frustrating because is seriously affects the power and effectiveness of this movement.

BaSiiCzxX · 2012-07-25T20:14:14+00:00

Agreed, it seems like some people on here are trying their hardest to find something to complain about. Even going as far as taking something out of context in the process. There are plenty of real issues that more people need to be aware of and those topics are what we should discuss here.

Benocrates · 2012-07-26T04:02:43+00:00

If you want mensrights to be taken seriously

You REALLY think this is a matter of being "taken seriously"?

Seriously?

Despite what the major feminazi's may think (that THEY specifically "changed the world") I really don't buy it... societies and cultures change due to larger widespread forces that play out.

Feminism won't be "replaced" by some Men's Rights Movement via rhetoric, Feminism (like socialism) will basically do itself in (it is like a self-poison to a society); the only real question is whether anything of our society will be left, or what will come out of the collapse.

My bet is that it will chiefly end up being a matter of simple population dynamics & immigration caused by it.

50shadesofgay · 2012-07-26T03:37:57+00:00

Hey if you mates want to bash cunts and shit and stick it to them as hard as they sick us somewhere where its all bros and laughs check out r/brosrights.

sorry, I'll let myself out

f1ash531 · 2012-07-25T18:09:30+00:00

aaaaaaaaaaaamen

WorthyOpponent · 2012-07-25T19:32:21+00:00

I enjoy the people (trolls or not) who come to these subs to tell other people how to behave so that the sub stays "pure". Like upvoting and downvoting just isn't good enough. It is all about the purity of the subreddit, man! It reminds me of that chicken farmer muslim in algeria, and how they killed people for not being muslim enough. Eventually, he was the last one of his group muslim enough, and he committed suicide.

2012-07-25T19:35:31+00:00

Are you seriously saying this shit, "bash men cause they are stupid" is like one third of this website

Xet · 2012-07-25T22:42:08+00:00

Lol. You realise that you yourself in this post resort to petty woman bashing by calling out the feminism subreddit as being degenerate.

FOADSASCUM · 2012-07-25T21:14:06+00:00

ITT: concern trolling coming to a boiling point.

Knight_of_Malta · 2012-07-25T22:48:56+00:00

Thank god concern trolls like you arent in control of the leading mens rights web group.

geodebug · 2012-07-25T18:54:43+00:00

I don't know, I think it's just the way /r/mr is going to go as it grows.

Really, so what if /r/mr becomes /r/atheism? Maybe the purpose of this subreddit shouldn't be (or never could be) change but instead a safe place for kids to complain and commune about grievances perceived and real, large and small?

Real MRM improvements aren't made in a comment thread but are done at the polling place, work, home... the "real world" if you will.

Maybe those at /r/mr should take comfort that even while the quality of posts goes down as subscribers go up, it still means that more people are being introduced to MRM. Maybe being a gateway to MRM is all /r/mr could ever really accomplish anyway.

All that said, if you don't like an article down-vote it or comment why you think it's BS. If you feel it's really off-topic or damaging then report it to the moderator. If the 245+ upvoters started reporting every facebook conversation post (which I believe can count as a 'meme') the moderators may find themselves more interested in culling some posts.

Keep in mind though that this subreddit has one of the most relaxed moderation policies I've seen. Actually, this post itself is outside the bounds as far as I can tell and should have been posted in /r/MensRightsMeta.

PossiblyTrolling · 2012-07-25T23:04:23+00:00

Piss off sissyboy

NWOslave · 2012-07-25T20:39:40+00:00

Not likely tyranny will end with gentle words and supplication. Is the state/corporate/school/court system supremely biased towards women and feminism? 50 years of whimpering before the controlling powers have yielded what? Are things better after a couple of generations of remaining silent while being demonized? Yeah right, go meekly and apologetically beg for a few scraps of common decency. Look how well that's worked out so far.

never_overreacting · 2012-07-25T21:36:01+00:00

Who the fuck cares about this subreddit?

Ford42 · 2012-07-25T20:40:33+00:00

Ya vol mein herr! Sig hiel!

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AcolyteRB2 · 2012-07-25T20:59:28+00:00

fuck you, bitch.

asldkfououhe · 2012-07-26T00:07:06+00:00

haha "degenerate into a copy of /r/feminism"

you're such a weird piece of shit

Geronimo15 · 2012-07-26T01:00:31+00:00

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

AHAHAHAHAHA

AboutMensRights · 2012-07-26T06:08:05+00:00

Um, this is clearly a campaign orchestrated by the enemies of men's rights to disrupt the sub-reddit as an excuse to enforce more political correctness. This has been discussed dozens of times before and the community has always agreed that showing women's bad behavior and the double standards on how they are treated is important. These up-votes are clearly being manipulated. Look at the distribution of up-votes. Thousands of up-votes for the main article, but a very small number for the comments, not at all what you would expect proportionally.

dregofsociety · 2012-07-26T02:27:42+00:00

Im just here for upvotes man..

Psada · 2012-12-07T01:00:27+00:00

After you(The OP) described /r/Feminism I went over there because I wanted some good old rage-fun - I was pretty disappointed and I didn't have any fun, because it actually appeared to be a decent subreddit.

Apperently a lot of them think MensRights are the degenerates ( http://www.reddit.com/r/Feminism/comments/14eg1z/you_guys_are_alright/)

I don't know who's right or wrong, but its worth taking into consideration.

ThePigman · 2012-07-26T06:46:53+00:00

Anyone with the arrogance to tell the rest of us what we should or should not post can go fuck himself. As for the actual argument put forward by what may very well be a skillful concern troll, it is rubbish. Get this through your thick skull - society in general thinks women are better people than men, so every time we point out yet another female being an asshole we are putting a tiny dent in that facade of superiority. If that isn't a valid MRA goal then what the fuck is?

dean815 · 2012-07-25T19:47:15+00:00

we middle class white guys sure have it rough

Title	This needs to stop. Now.
Author	maxwell44
Upvotes	2243
Comments	531
Date	July 25, 2012 3:41 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/x4vop/this_needs_to_stop_now/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/this-needs-to-stop-now.1017202 https://theredarchive.com/post/1017202

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