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I'm sure you do

http://exiledonline.com/old-exile/vault/books/review103.html

No one who knows anything about the way America works would ever really think that its rulers would want to let silly gender prejudices keep them from creating new consumers, much less let religion get in the way of productivity. The Baptist loonies are suckers to be wooed in election years, no more. They are useful as janitors in peacetime, cannon-fodder in war. Making them into the rulers of a nightmare vision of America is, by a charitable estimation, very naive. If we were to consider it less charitably, it might seem downright suspect. Atwood, who shares about 99.9% of her DNA with America’s real rulers, cannot see them at all, and so fails to notice their hegemony. As she confessed in boasting about her achievement in Handmaid’s Tale, she borrowed horror-stories about the treatment of women in loser countries like Iraq and applied them to the US. Apparently she could not see the horror which really does suffuse American life—a horror which has absolutely nothing to do with that losers’ club, Islam.

Handmaid’s Tale is meant to reassure every wretched office-worker who goes home to a cat, a VCR, and Pizza-for-one that her life is noble and progressive. Handmaid’s Tale is fun horror-fiction for women who work in the American-style cubicle-world precisely because it’s so utterly unrelated to the miseries and terrors of their own lives. No one wants to force middle-class American women to have babies. In fact, it’s almost impossible for them to contemplate having kids, because they’re terrified that it might set them back in their careers, and their rivals in the adjacent cubicles would grab their parking spaces and health plans. Nobody wants to use their bodies. That’s precisely the horror with which they live: no one wants to mate with them because in their world, every single striver must fear every other, and the sort of joint action involved in mating and rearing one’s young is impossible—laughable, a thing which only those who have abandoned the hope of A Career can contemplate. So in their minds, mating and rearing children moves down in class, becoming a thing for rednecks and (though they’ll never say this part out loud) immigrants-of-color. The desire to have children gets bounced outside oneself, onto these lesser beings, and returns, courtesy of Atwood, in demonized form, as the tyranny of procreation, family values and the Patriarchy. It’s the horror they love to fear.

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This seems to be the real reason: https://twitter.com/ContrarianQuinn/status/1295051288367923200?s=20

I was groomed for prostitution by my father's porn addiction and his sexism and lechery, and by my experiences of molestation and rape, while also growing up bombarded by images of sexually objectified women in advertising and media.

I learned very early what a girl is for. And by the time I hit puberty I had stopped dreaming about being an archeologist or artist and started looking forward to "growing up" so I could live a glamourous lifestyle where I could use my body to get power.

I was a prostituted teenager, not a "sex worker". Adult men paid to fuck me because paying is a bribe for not resisting and paying buys silence. They paid to fuck me because they liked fucking teenagers and they wanted to fuck their daughters.

Sounds like everything that happened to her / she chose happened before 18.

Not sure why you’re making this about “radfems” or women.

This is the thread of a chick who was molested as a girl and heavily influenced by what her porn addicted dad watched.

That’s why she landed in prostitution. Not sure how you read that thread and decided “ah yes coyote ugly is the end all be all point.”

It was the molestation by creeps as a girl for me. It was the lack of parental wherewithal for me.

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I mentioned the movie Coyote Ugly in an earlier tweet and I can't forget it because despite not being sexually explicit it was very effective grooming.

It was rated PG 13+ and the hit song "Cant Fight The Moonlight" was the favourite song of every other 10 year old I knew in 2000/2001. The actresses were beautiful and their characters were cool and relateable. We loved the music and dancing and clothes.

So we were a bunch of broke girls who had already had men take what they wanted from us and then this movie came along and showed us that being sexy for a living was a glamorous and fun option and punctuated the message with a catchy tune and romantic subplot.

I wouldn't hang it all on that movie but it stands out to me because I would say it played an equal role in my grooming as the literal pornography I was exposed to. It was all part of the same big ugly picture.

Four tweets in a row.

With this out of the way, I'm making this about radfems because this woman is a radfem. She wrote an article about trans exclusionism.

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Men wish to be desired as a woman is desired

I think there's distinct male spin on it - men have a need to feel needed, to exercise blind loyalty, regardless of whether it's valued or not. This can have bizarre implications - like the man may know you hate him - and he'll even keep distance to respect your hate. But as long you need him, the desire is satisfied, even if you see no value in him whatsoever. This is something profoundly alien to women, but quite common to how men see things. There's distinct lack of desire for emotional feedback women have.

Women undertook this journey because they wished to be able to support themselves and be valued for what they do as men are

Sounds fair enough. The way I see it, women wanted to be valued, for there to be tangible feedback for "emotional labor" they do (just using some of the more bizzarre lingo). In some aspects as capitalism allows it, they suceeded. But that's just shallow value in terms of money and career opportunity. Spiritually it's far harder because what's going on here is a call for equity (for which empathetic feedback is a necessity), but most men aren't really showing signs they'll give equity a chance, not for themselves, nor women. You'd need to shatter their entire sense of justice first.

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Not a feminist as you know (and you’ve seen me criticize them here regularly) but y’all trigger way too easily. That is undeniable to anyone who spends more than 5 minutes on this sub.

Like you. I really want to know why you have this deafcon 5 hostility whenever the subject comes up.

In a country where men are still running everything, that you guys sit here and claim that feminists are literally destroying men makes you seem irrational and unbalanced. And fucking triggered.

Seems like a lot of the hostility toward “feminism” is really just hostility toward women in general. This is just the logical conclusion that anyone watching this play out would make.

So rather than turn into a game of sticks and stones, why not articulate WHY you believe what you do when challenged. After all, this is a debate sub. Isn’t it?

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The source I had for this seems to be non working https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2019/2019486.pdf but people who’ve been around here for a while will remember me sharing this stat multiple times in the past.

So yes a small number of academic and need based scholarships are actually gender based.

However let’s look at the category where the majority of college scholarships are : sports. Despite title 9, men still get more athletic scholarships than women:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1120037/college-sport-scholarships-by-gender/

Are you equally opposed to this?

Proof? When I tried to apply for scholar ships in my field (stem) majority were either minority only or female only

Then you didn’t look hard enough. My son is in a stem magnet program, I’m well aware whats out there and know there are tons of scholarships that are not specific to gender or race.

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Sure, they told you it was essential because in their warped worlds equality opportunity is not adequate for there to be equal outcomes. And ONLY equal outcomes is right, just and fair, correct?

I've seen degreed people being asked why it's problematic for them that some people are opposed to "equal outcome doctrine" and they have absolutely no idea what could possibly be wrong with it.

Let's pay the top performers in society the same as the "barely scraping by" slackers and let's make sure we have 50% women and "one of every race" at the boardroom tables, merits and accomplishments be damned.

Because the ONLY reason we don't have naturally occurring "rainbow coloured gender-equal boards" is because of white male patriarchy and systemic racism/sexism?____ism correct?

Go to your leftist think tank and get your money back. What they sold you was a Marxist bill of goods.

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Not all at once lol any or any combo of those conflicts will cause a reinstated draft.

If you haven't noticed the joint chiefs made a pivot to peer warfare over the past 10 or so years. Our armaments are becoming more great power war focused. For example, we're developing a longer ranged Air to Air missile than the AAMRAM which can fit inside the weapons bays of stealth fighters. We are developing hypersonic missiles. We are abrogating the medium range missile treaty. We are accelerating the building of more Arleigh-Burke destroyers and Ford Carriers. We are selling F-35s to any ally that's willing to buy them (except Turkey lol fuckin Erdogan fucked that up for em)

Putin is definitely smart enough to realize that his country is economically withering, and becoming a petro-state. He really has two options: modernize the economy, and suffer a destruction of his oligarchical buddy system where he's basically a multi-trillionaire. Or? Unite the country in a conflict against an enemy. Let's HOPE that enemy remains very small, like Chechens, the FSA, and the skirmishes in Donetsk and Luhansk. It could get much worse.

Real wars of demographic/national consequence (to wealthy countries) aren’t going to be fought with infantry, so you’ll be safe, don’t worry

Would you define Vietnam as demographic or national consequence?

How about Korea?

You don't have to be 11B to be permanently scarred from war, you know. I know many Gulf War 92Ys in my industry (which tangentially involves logistics) who have PTSD from being constantly on edge from expecting sadaam to nerve gas them.

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I've heard of Womanism but looking at Wikipedia (very reliable, I know), it was coined in 1979. Wikipedia also states that there were initial 'feminist' thoughts being made by Black women in the 1800s but they were ignored by pretty much everyone else.

I know a lot of the initial ideas of third wave/fourth wave feminism were made by Black women like intersectionality, CRT, whatever Bell Hooks was going for etc but all I find from first wave is anti black sentiment.

The first wave is far from the only wave to have janky ideals though. Second wave was white saviour complex turned up to an eleven + terrorizing Erin Pizzey for some reason, and Fourth wave seems to be just taking the black academic ideas + debate between da TERFS and the Intersectionals but the only difference between them is that the TERFS think male children getting abused is based but the TRANS are bad and the Intersectionals also think the moid children getting abused is based but the TRANS are good.

idk lmao thats just my opinion tho, nothing on this sub should b taken seriously, I think going on it for too long actually gives u an undiscovered form of poisoning.

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i’m not talking about womanism though, that’s a different thing. i’m talking about black feminism.

from what i had read from a few different places (wikipedia included), black feminism began during slavery in the 1800s.

but it’s hard to tell when these things started because it was so long ago and there’s no way of knowing whether or not the information we’ve been told or have been able to find is accurate.

the way you describe feminism makes sense from the white feminist perspective. i mean no offense by that at all, just my honest truth from where i’m standing.

idk lmao thats just my opinion tho, nothing on this sub should b taken seriously, I think going on it for too long actually gives u an undiscovered form of poisoning.

you’re not wrong. think the poison is starting to get to me and i need to take a good break from this hellhole of a place lol

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I'm sorry that you had that experience. One of the (many) problems with feminism is that it is has historically been upheld by upper-class women. It doesn't surprise me that they would be unsympathetic to issues of a working class man, tho that is certainly disappointing.

Yeah working class kid who is struggling to try and complete high school because of poverty and worried about being able to pay for college gets yelled at and insulted and told he is privileged by women is not exactly going to make him continue to be an ally. When he asks why he is not getting scholarships despite having a high GPA and coming from a poor background he gets insulted and told women or other minorities deserve it more. When he points out the discrimination he experienced from women teachers he is told he is making things up. Conversations and incidents like that were common for me for years.

And as long as the issues you had weren't annoying "gotchas" then it's also too bad the feminists you were talking too weren't willing to engage your points. But on the other hand, no one wants to debate with someone who isn't speaking in good faith.

They thought I was trying to imply something when in reality I was just questioning. To continue with the religious analogy it would be like me asking about the idea of omnipotence and thinking it is an impossibility and their reaction being to kick me out of the church because I dared to question to doctrine and dogma of the church even though it was a genuine question not me saying god doesn't exist. Feminists are religious fanatics and they will burn anyone who even so much as dares to question them at the stake which leads to a lot of apostates who are bitterly fucking angry at them like me. The level of anger I have towards feminists is like a Jew who survived the holocaust towards Germans.

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And separate your nieces and nephews screaming from their mothers?

Well they kicked me out of the village and ostracized me for years so yeah pretty much. Because of them I had to suffer more when I was already suffering for example dealing with discrimination by women teachers who had been indoctrinated by feminism. Because of them I had a harder time getting a job due to affirmative action bullshit. Because of them their were no scholarships for people like me and I had to work my way through college which was real fucking fun let me tell you working overnight in a warehouse making 14 dollars an hour then going to class the next day without sleep. etc Meanwhile my women classmates were sugar dating their way through college or getting daddies money and getting internships and jobs just because they had a vagina.

A lot of these women have since quit the work force and are now stay at home mothers meaning them stealing positions and money from me was even more pointless.

But yeah I hear ya - dogmatism for any ideology is a bad look which is not conducive to productive debate. Just because someone is male doesn't mean they won't experience significant hardships equal to or worse than a woman and/or a person of color

Class is multiple times more important than gender or skin color but feminists don't give a fuck about that because it would require admitting their privilege because most of them are white upper class cunts whinging about stupid shit like man spreading and screaming about man tears when the male suicide rate is already multiple times higher than womens. https://imgur.com/a/SUZeyPF

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Title	Feminism Mega Thread
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Date	April 18, 2021 8:00 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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