If you had to implement social policies/programs to solve the male sexlessness problem ..that doesn't infringe on people rights

jax006 · 2019-05-22T17:18:50+00:00

Get rid of the internet

petrichordium · 2019-05-22T17:02:11+00:00

Honestly this was a subject for another personal post, but i truly believe putting resources toward solving the obesity crisis would do the most for this.

I think angry men here on PPD are delusional about how content (maybe not happy, but content) many “herbivore” men are to simply do other things than chase fat women. Not to mention the fact that fat men have lower sex... everything and aren’t doing themselves any favors.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/sarahhan/average-american-woman-2018

As buzzfeed helpfully reminds us, 68% of american women look like the women in this listicle. That means if you aren’t attracted to women like that, 2/3 of men are rationally better off just stroking it to porn when they get horny and delaying family formation bc.... idk, relationships take a lot of work, and while i affirm that many of those women are likely beautiful souls and would make great friends/coworkers/etc.... it’s hard to get excited about them romantically/sexually. Especially when you have alternatives.

I’m not saying men don’t have a steep hill to climb against Tinder culture or whatever in attracting and retaining women. I’m just saying most men who are sexless and don’t seethe on PPD are doing the same thing women are doing: just kind of chilling and distracting themselves from the dislocation between image culture expectations and the fattest group of actual people probably ever in human history.

TLDR: national fat camp.

Orange_Paisley · 2019-05-22T19:27:55+00:00

Legalize prostitution.

flamingoinghome · 2019-05-22T18:07:47+00:00

LOL way to front-load the question.

First off, I'd provide a lot of corporate incentives for companies (and cities) to switch business models (incentives to create high-density housing, for instance, so you have lots of people in their own flats instead of crammed into sharehouses in the cities). I'd bring back the older tax structures and find new ones to incentivize companies to pay lower-level employees more (the old "use it or lose it" model on profit taxes, and close the bonus loophole). I'd raise the minimum wage.

So now, you have a lot of young people suddenly living much more comfortably, meaning they've got more time and energy for dating and socializing, and they're more likely to go out to socialize instead of congregating in someone's house because it's cheaper. That's...already more than half the battle right there.

Then you end the corn and dairy subsidies. Start some leafy green subsidies, perhaps. Make preventative medical care, including nutrition consultation and physical therapy, cheap-to-free. Put a ton of money into education, most of it going into more and better food, later start times, and higher teacher's salaries (caveat: we're abolishing tenure). Hour-long outdoor recess mandatory at all grade levels or we pull your funding. So you've got a much healthier population there.

If we're really getting zesty, we throw in subsidized psychological care.

madcockatiel · 2019-05-22T19:32:01+00:00

Beyond incentivizing healthy lifestyles and creating spaces for young people to socialize (as others have suggested), I don’t think there is any way to legislate away men’s dating woes. As trp is fond of saying, you can’t negotiate attraction... And you definitely can’t make women fuck people they aren’t interested in with a tax break.

SmurfESmurferson · 2019-05-22T17:04:09+00:00

Sorry, OP, but you can’t negotiate attraction. Especially on a governmental level

The only thing you can do is incentivize men to become more attractive - tax credits for gym memberships, tax free weeks for clothing/grooming items and services, a mainstream public service campaign about minimizing screen/video game time, dietician visits covered by insurance, etc

That said, I don’t think the above would work. We’re a lazy species, and I believe that many men will continue to maintain their status quo

says_harsh_things · 2019-05-22T19:48:22+00:00

Stop putting sugar in everything.

2019-05-23T00:02:44+00:00

Men are dropping out of the workforce/working less hard ..because they don't have a family to provide for.

Less men working hard to get high paying jobs which ...means less taxes for governemnt

I see no problem with this, because women will now work harder because they're not provided for right?

Ordinate1 · 2019-05-23T01:30:58+00:00

I think that you have the problem entirely backwards and upside down:

Young people are not starting families because they are not financially secure because there are not enough jobs and the ones that do exist do not pay enough to live on.

robertfrostt · 2019-05-23T05:20:11+00:00

From the perspective as someone who helps lots of guys and women find new relationships, I believe the main problem is a growing inverse association between attractiveness and intellect or wealth.

There is a growing and expanding anti-establishment culture which promotes the idea that drugs, drinking, working out, tattoos, and coolness is more important than money, income, or education in determining sexual attractiveness or appeal. As a whole, more women develop stereotypes that associate high intelligence with poor sexual attractiveness, and associate more deviant behaviors with higher sexual attractiveness. This is exaggerated in california cause any 24 hour you go in because half the guys are jacked on steroids.

To fix it, it's really tough. One idea would be having laws limiting the amount of sports team or promoting more softer sports like tennis or golf.

2019-05-23T16:16:25+00:00

I think the correct takeaway from all of this is that it is a wonderful time to be alive if you are an attractive, masculine man. If you can, become that man, and reap rewards reserved for warlords and kings in the past.

GridReXX · 2019-05-23T02:29:30+00:00

Bring back bullying.

Yes it sucks to be bullied.

But it’s going to suck more if you never experienced social shame for your weird ass quirks throughout childhood and thus are “shocked!” no one wants to date you as an adult.

poppy_blu · 2019-05-22T17:18:08+00:00

Anyone else about had it with the incels and their sexual socialism bullshit as of late?

Men are dropping out of the workforce/working less hard ..because they don't have a family to provide for

Theyre being forced out of the workforce because industries that don't require a college degree have all but disappeared.

The only policy I advocate for is legal and regulated prostitution. Beyond that, you're on your own.

If you dont like that the west doesn't force women to serve men's imperatives and mandate arranged marriages, you're free to move to a country that does.

geyges · 2019-05-22T17:52:07+00:00

get men to improve themselves so that women will want to have sex/start families with them?

This is a fallacy. Your presupposition is that women are disgusted with many men, therefore they refuse to start families and relationships.

The reality is that families and LTR is no longer appealing to many younger women. They have options. They go to school, they work on careers, chase their dreams. BTW, they also have issues finding that special someone. Love is becoming more rare for them too.

They can get laid infinitely easier, yes, so sex is not yet a major problem for them; which is why they think incels are full of shit. But the new world is hitting women hard too, otherwise they wouldn't be so angry.

The point is that our technological, economic, and social progress now dictates how marriages and relationships are structured. We can't fix it with a legislation. Or at all.

poquitobalofao · 2019-05-23T01:21:46+00:00

The first time I read Brave New World, I asked myself, why is this book considered dystopian? This shit actually sounds pretty good.

Skratt · 2019-05-22T19:34:10+00:00

[QWOMEN] What social policy/program do you implement to get women to lower their standards and take a bet on average/slightly below guys?

None. The program that exists now. Women bet on mediocre men all the time.

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MrHerbSherman · 2019-05-22T17:28:18+00:00

I think better incentives around the food industry would do a lot, ie subsidize healthier foods

Same with basic fitness, tying it to healthcare should do the trick

2019-05-22T20:20:43+00:00

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reddtormtnliv · 2019-05-22T23:45:54+00:00

I think that the only way you will get more men to seem attractive to women is with economic incentives. But many will consider this unfair and will not like the government interfering with economic incentives like this, so it has a slim chance of already happening.

Less men working hard to get high paying jobs which ...means less taxes for government

Less men with men with families means smaller houses, fewer cars bought, fewer groceries .....which means less taxes for the country

I know people say this is a problem and exists, but shouldn't less people getting married and less consumption also mean less "tax expenditures". So this should balance out less "tax revenues"

Pope_Lucious · 2019-05-23T02:31:02+00:00

Legalize prostitution

happycheese86 · 2019-05-23T02:32:14+00:00

Automation tax/dividend coupled with raising min. wage and universal child care, healthcare, etc.

US is one of the most dangerous places to have a child, most are in poverty. Why do you think it's about women lowering their standards? Maybe men should raise theirs. Why are we concerned about birth rates? IMO every nation should be stagnating population instead of breeding like roaches.

throwawayhouseissue1 · 2019-05-23T03:30:10+00:00

Give a huge refundable tax credit to first-time married couples, like $20,000. Then to incentivize marriage, give them a credit for each year they are married

MGTOWKapow3 · 2019-05-23T08:23:10+00:00

This is unfixable.

The only thing you can do is force women who somehow get pregnant to carry the babies to term.

Which..... is what the government is now doing....

Which...… will encourage women to clamp their legs together harder.

This scenario has played out before and it always ends with the death spiral of the society that is plagued with it.

Iron-Giant169 · 2019-05-23T11:25:16+00:00

Only thing that would work. Genetically engineered women that find sad sack incels attractive. So yeah enjoy the decline.

Suck-Less · 2019-05-23T14:45:33+00:00

First recognize what the real problem is.

Men are dropping out of college (under 40% now), not going into the trades, and are dropping out of life in general because they don’t have a family? That sounds nice but I really don’t believe it.

Young men are dropping out because they are intentionally raised to not have any ambition, they are raised to see themselves as oppressors. Can you imagine what a 9 year old boy thinks when he sees one of those “the future is female” commercials? What he thinks when all the social and school programs are geared to teach girls to succeed? When boys don’t even have the boy scouts to themselves anymore? Young boys are raised to internalize self hate.

Young boys are raised to put girls on a pedestal, that even his words need her approval. Say something wrong to her and go to the principal, or get kicked out. Hit on her and she doesn’t like it: sexual harassment. How on earth is a young man to develop the social skills needed to even approach a young woman under these conditions?

Young boys are taught that the should be expressive of their emotions. That it’s ok to cry. And it is. However what they need to be taught is that you have to be very selective of the women that you express emotions and vulnerabilities with, because many young women are extremely hypocritical with this. Young boys should be taught how to deal with their emotions, not how to babble them.

Young boys need to learn that physical fitness actually matters. 20%+ body fat is an issue. 10-15% is healthy. Lean, and muscular turns on a vast majority of women. Sexy matters. You may not be handsome but you can still make a serious effort in being in the best shape you can be.

Ambition and controlled aggression are good things. They are not examples of “toxic masculinity.”

Last, they need to be taught how to set goals and how to fail. Realistic expectations on how often failure happens when working towards a difficult goal. How to evaluate their failures so they can learn from them.

Of course you can disbelieve everything I just said, but this drop out is new, and it’s all post 80s redesign of the education system to promote women. When boys are too hyper for the new female friendly classes, they are loaded up with ADHT type drugs.

As long as we keep ignoring it, is only going to get worse.

LillthOfBabylon · 2019-05-23T16:18:27+00:00

Put in PSAs telling people to get off the internet and stop watching porn 24-7.

PanderjitSingh_k · 2019-05-24T00:52:03+00:00

Is it a problem? Evolution has always been driven by weeding out unfit men (note how much more mutation there is on the Y chromosome).

If men are sexless because they are truly unfit that’s great.

the_calibre_cat · 2019-05-24T05:59:35+00:00

Burn the welfare state to the ground (y'all are strong independent woman, you'll be fine), incentivize abortions of male babies. They're just clumps of cells, so I can understand why my leftist friends might oppose the former (free stuff is the essence of leftism), but they really have no moral argument against the latter. I'm all ears, though.

AstroGeek55 · 2019-05-24T19:02:58+00:00

[QWOMEN] What social policy/program do you implement to get women to lower their standards and take a bet on average/slightly below guys?

none. i will never make women have sex with manlets they dont desire. i will never make them have their crotchfruit.

men arent entitled to sex, relationships and families. period,

CosmicBioHazard · 2019-05-26T20:41:38+00:00

Research into artificial fertility. The problem for dudes isn't that women won't fuck them, the problem is that the women who will either won't give them a family or the guy is wary about starting a family with her because inevitably if she's willing to sleep with him that means she has a sex drive, which she'll satisfy elsewhere and bear someone else's children.

The ancients knew this and they got around it by locking women up, but that's neither humane or necessary when we can just allow the sexes absolute freedom from each other.

MaybePaige-be · 2019-06-01T04:21:46+00:00

Education, so the lie of "the male sexlessness problem" would go away.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2019-05-22T18:40:54+00:00

It should be a death penalty offense to believe that this is the role of government

crackrocksteady7 · 2019-05-22T17:22:57+00:00

"Peoples rights" is a meaningless concept in a vacuum. Anyone in power can erase your rights by snapping their fingers. So I cant answer your question because its loaded and based on a meaningless premise

Zippo-Cat · 2019-05-22T17:19:57+00:00

Men are dropping out of the workforce/working less hard ..because they don't have a family to provide for. Less men working hard to get high paying jobs which ...means less taxes for governemnt. Less men with men with families means smaller houses, fewer cars bought, fewer groceries .....which means less taxes for the country.

Yeah imma need sources for all these claims my buddy boyo. Before you even think about having a girlfriend you need food to shove in your face and roof over your head, so you're already working a full time job to get these two things. You probably don't want to slave away at McDonald's all your life and unlike women you actually have the motivation/ambition drug of adrenaline so you'll be getting diplomas and (trying to) have a career. Even if you earn thousands but spend hundreds(sup, that's me), you still keep all your money in the bank which will take care of investing it, don't you worry.

"Men need a chance at pussy otherwise they will all just lie down and die and civilization will collapse" is one of the most pathetic terper revenge fantasies.

To actually answer your question: you can't solve that problem, at best you can teach red/blackpill in schools. Hey boys, girls like winners, winners are by nature small part of the competition, so some of you will get girls and rest of you look up VR porn. Also remember to put it in your mouth, not under your mouth.

HellenicLady · 2019-05-22T22:41:48+00:00

The countries that have this problem seem to mainly be the US and Britain, both of which suffer from high obesity rates...You have to fight obesity in order to improve your sex lives.

Obviously, there are many other factors involved, but you'd be naive if you think that the fact that Americans are fat doesn't affect their sex life.

Texastentialism · 2019-05-22T21:18:15+00:00

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NOTSM · 2019-05-22T16:56:56+00:00

What social policy/program do you implement to get men to improve themselves so that women will want to have sex/start families with them?

I’d do the exact opposite and get rid of a lot of entitlement programs. Make it so women can’t lean on the state for their financial needs and marriage becomes a more appealing option

TheJim66 · 2019-05-22T19:53:35+00:00

Honestly that's quite easy .Remove gender quotas,remove most of welfare for single mothers and make it legal for the man to financially "abort" the baby if he doesn't want to keep it and can prove he used birth control.The sexlessness would sort itself out.

Also make gym class actually exercise the kids.Both with Sports and with weights .Make it so a kid can actually fail gym class.

Now I think the root of the problem is social media but can't think of a realistic way to ban it,or a realistic way to force the government to fund vr technology and sexbots.

marriage_is_hell · 2019-05-22T17:41:10+00:00

[QMEN] What social policy/program do you implement to get men to improve themselves so that women will want to have sex/start families with them?

I dont. Women have it better than men already. There are treated like dainty princesses while many are in fact screeching, hormonal hambeasts who rule over the betas and white knights and femicucks of this world with an iron fist. All the while, playing the victim at a volume level and intensity not even seen in Jews during the Holocaust.

Just a random example, leftist women think not being able to murder babies at will is... Oppression. They will continue feeling oppressed until they literally stand atop a pile of male and infant bones. And there are more of these leftist women every day.

The solution is not to try to repair gender relations, but make GTOW more comfortable. Put incels on disability and prescribe them some cool drugs. Give them access to the latest and greatest videogames. Wait for the inevitable muslim takeover in 50 years when the west is mostly depopulated of its current diseased, feminist culture. Decadence reset and the cycle begins anew.

Shadow_Of_ · 2019-05-23T00:50:14+00:00

I heard Iran has created a social program to arrange marriages. Maybe find away to reestablish a strong family structure so they can arrange marriages. Believe it or not finding a relationship isn't a one man job. Monkeys would fight other rival monkeys to help there sons get a mate.

DaphneDK42 · 2019-05-23T01:45:22+00:00

Get rid of the welfare state. Get rid of the ability for women to use the state as a provider.

Watchingculturefade · 2019-05-23T02:36:54+00:00

Allow "Male Abortion Rights"

Where Men had the same ability to opt "In or Out" that women currently have.

Create "Equal Legislataiton Acts" that would mandate court treat the man and the woman as 'identical parents' in the eyes of the law.

Then let the culture sort it out from there, the less legislation the better, but legislation IS needed to make things equal.

diffdedbed · 2019-05-22T18:10:18+00:00

[QWOMEN] What social policy/program do you implement to get women to lower their standards and take a bet on average/slightly below guys?

The average woman is below my standard, by a lot going by the 170 lb 5'4" blob that is average right now. I would not pick them over celibacy.

The average American woman is unfuckable to me and I doubt they are fucking chad. I think the problem is not directly related to anything but lifestyles of both men and women currently.

VAOTOMARNOCU · 2019-05-22T18:58:09+00:00

Teach kids the importance of physical attractiveness, even give them grooming classes and shit. Force them to exercise 1 hour a day as well

Make the women hot so more men will want to chase them, but also make the men hot so we don't have 80% of women fucking 20% of men

ifelsedowhile · 2019-05-22T21:00:28+00:00

mandatory testosterone supplements for women to increase their general horniness and lower their threshold of selectivity to allow average men to be less disadvantaged in dating. I'm not sure that the second part would work, maybe women would still be drooling for Chad ignoring Billie Beta but at least lets try. as for implementing this policy, I would ramp up a psychosis for some disease like bacterial meningitis and commercialize a placebo that has the side effect of increasing T levels in women. Of course I would finance the reasearch to make it as less dangerous for their health as possible.

also: legalize and culturally legitimize prostitution.

CamoWoobie10000 · 2019-05-22T22:52:07+00:00

I would deport all illegal immigrant males along with any non-single illegal immigrant women. I would have open borders and guarenteed citizenship for single immigrant women willing to marry a sexless/undersexed male (and she has to stick it out for at least a minimum amount of years or she gets kicked out) as well as give them some cash incentives or something along those lines and closed borders for all men. That should help a lot.

SeasonedRP · 2019-05-22T19:03:36+00:00

Enact a federal e-verify system and enforce immigration laws. Wages have been flat for decades among low and medium skilled workers because there is a large oversupply of those workers. Limit that supply and wages for low and medium skilled work will rise, both to attract workers and because of increased incentives for investments that would improve productivity. It that happened, more men would be viewed as suitable romantic partners. Currently, because of the supply imbalance, employers of low and medium skilled workers have no reason to raise wages or make investments that would improve productivity and wages.

NiceGuyNumber4 · 2019-05-22T18:53:07+00:00

Dismantle the welfare state. Funnel a chunk of the money to building the wall and repairing our shitty infrastructure. This will create jobs immediately and lead to more jobs in the future.

Spurius85 · 2019-05-22T19:19:09+00:00

Mandatory alternative day fasting for all men with greater than 15 percent body fat and women with greater than 25 percent body fat (Done by DEXA scans), until stated percentages are reached.

Every male teen would be required to perform a perfect form squat and deadlift at 2 and 2.5 times body weight respectively to graduate High School. (I actually made this a goal with my 17 year old cousin, he exceeded the goal two months ago, it is not a surprise that he slays)

Speaking of High School. High Schools should become skills and vocational training oriented. The first two years would be core curriculum, the third year would classical education, and the final year would be job based skills (combined with fiscal responsibility). This way every person will have the ability to make more than minimum wage after graduating high school. This can be the trades, but it could also be programming, engineering, web design, copywriting, etc.

As it stands now, colleges literally repeat high school curriculum, except for the last 1.5 or 2 years which is degree focused. This is a colossal waste of time and money. Make Bachelor's degrees two years of hard ass field specific work. This would make college cheaper and companies would be more likely to pay for students' education because they know it can be directly applied. In fact, internships would become abundant.

These boys would become men and start their adult responsibilities much faster. Men who are physically powerful, well rounded in their education, and can earn money even before hitting college are purposeful men. With purpose comes the desire to make your mark in the world and create families. These men are attractive to most women. There would be no need for redpilling because men who feel confident in their futures and attractive naturally pursue. They will learn the nature of relationships and women, naturally.

Speaking of families. I believe that men would marry even in an unfair game, if they understood the entire playbook. A marriage contract should be developed that outlines everything necessary so that both people understand their responsibilities and the consequences for negative actions such as abuse or infidelity. A token of value should be exchanged by both parties to seal the contract. The contract can also specify what happens in a divorce, and with children. Let's make marriage an adult organization again and take away power from the state and put it back in our own hands.

Family court should be abolished and replaced with a court system that upholds the marriage contracts or deals with the rare issue that is not part of the contract.

Realistic policies? Probably not, but it just goes to show how screwed up our society is.

Edited to Add: Instead of downvoting me, why don't you reply to me and tell me what you disagree with?

Title	If you had to implement social policies/programs to solve the male sexlessness problem ..that doesn't infringe on people rights
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The countries that have this problem seem to mainly be the US and Britain, both of which suffer from high obesity rates...You have to fight obesity in order to improve your sex lives.