Tackling two main tenes of red pill though here
1: Self-improvement.
Red pill believes in self improvement (status, lifestyle, wealth, fitness) as a way to increase sexual market value in order to overcome the hard dating scene of young men, which mostly includes a period of "Grinding" of years.
The argument goes as follows
P1: Women are hypergamous
P2: By increasing his wealth and status, men start appealing to the hypergamous nature of women.
C: Self improvement leads to increased sexual market value dating success
Two problems with this thesis:
-Hypergamy is always relative, if the average men starts self-improving and in the unrealistic scenario that every men succeeds in it, the only thing its going to do is to make the "succesful self-improved man" the new average, thus, the advice fails. In fact, by sheer supply and demand, if more quality men starts flooding the market in numbers, the value of said men will decrease, not increase.
-By definition, only the top % of men are truly considered succesful, and realistically, only an equally small % of men will be able to work their way to the top, meaning this advice is not useful to the vast majority of men.
Thus, Red pill self improvement is incoherent.
2: Men age like fine wine and "The wall"
P1: Women sexual market value is tied heavily to their looks, which start declining sharply post 30, characterizing "the wall"
P2: Men have other factors tied to their SMV, like money and status, and that typically increases with time, post 30 men on average have more status and money than pre 30.
C: Thus, men age like wine, women age like milk, work on yourself and dating gets better as you get older.
The problems:
-Men of all age ranges want to date women in their 20s, and in the vast majority of cases, those 20s women do not want to date 30s men. Thus, the average man is working on himself to get attention from women he doesn't want to date, so he doesn't get the value he wants out of his own evolution.
-if the stereotypical view of the red pill is true, meaning that 20s women are being promiscuous with the attractive males while the average and below get nothing, when these women reach 30 and want to settle down, the "rejected" male will have no other option than to settle down with the 30s woman, or be single. This is a double win for women, and a double loss for men. In redpillers own words, they will have to take the "Leftovers" they despise so much
-Its worse for the guys that fail to become impressive, even if their relative SMV increases, the average 30s women still won't want them, so he will have to settle with below average women or become single, a bigger loss.
Thus, men do not age like wine, and the wall doesn't exist. If anything, the wall exists for men, from the moment they enter the dating market.
Its high time that these ideas of "grinding" and foregoing dating while young to "gain value" go away, because its only going to cause frustration for the guys who follow it. "Working harder" and "Grinding" in order to overcome a hyper competitive market will only cause the market to become more competitive, and harder to deal with, not less. Even worse when it condones antisocial behavior in order to "improve".
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