"Token Resistence is Common"

Whisper · 2016-04-13T22:40:15+00:00

should not be common

"Should" is just a way to use one word to say "I want".

The universe doesn't care what you want. It is what it is.

If token resistance is common, then it's common. Save your fantasy worlds for your Doctor Who fanfiction page. Adults have to live in the real world.

bromance946 · 2016-04-13T18:45:28+00:00

You've never watched old movies, like this or this? Makes me think this sort of thing used to be a lot more blatant.

TheKickboxingGuy · 2016-04-13T18:14:37+00:00

Nice click-bait strategy trying to frame the comment as sexual assault when it's not. Pretty scummy on your part imo.

Anyway, the truth is that plenty of women like being chased. Many women would like having sex with a man but don't want to feel like they are giving it up to early because it makes them look like sluts. There are also plenty of women who are cheated on/have bad relationships that are worried about giving it up because they feel like their SO will leave them right afterwards.

Like most bluepillers, you have some retarded image in your head of a cave-man esque frat bro saying things like "COME ON WE FUCK NOW OR I ABUSE YOU AND OBJECTIFY YOUR BODY" in this scenario when any rational human being would know "asking for sex" is more along the lines of playful suggestions and touching done in order to make someone more comfortable with the idea. There is a reason having sex is common after drinking alcohol. Women often WANT to fuck but sometimes all that thinking and social pressure and anxiety get in the way of letting go and having a good time. No one is advocating intimidation or molestation, but of course this is the hyperbole you have jumped to in your quest to paint redpillers as misogynistic rapists.

moodyprism · 2016-04-13T19:26:53+00:00

Still kind of shocked me that any guy can go through life expecting to have to force their way through resistence (verbal or physical) for sex. It's not healthy, nor is it normal, and is borderline illegal.

Sometimes I am actually shocked and floored by the absolute delusional madness that can be posted here. It makes me wonder if TRP and TBP adherents exist in two alternate realities or that I am just being trolled. How do you actually have opinions like this?

I have actually talked to women before about this subject and asked them why they like men to break through their resistance and why they feel the need to play coy. The overwhelming response to this question can be paraphrased thus: "I want a man to desire me so much that he simply can't help himself and forces himself on me in a pure ecstasy of frenzied lust".

Again it comes down to the concept that no blooper wants to deal with. Women want and crave organically dominant men that know what they want and are not afraid to take what they want.

czerdec · 2016-04-13T20:48:26+00:00

Looks like someone needs to study the difference between "is" and "should be".

If a woman resists your advance, you back off, and very shortly afterwards she comes on strong, that is very good evidence that the initial resistance was not motivated by a sincere desire to avoid sex.

In fact, I can't imagine a rational argument to the contrary, all other things being equal. But this is feminism/blooperism, so rationality isn't usually a strong feature of these arguments.

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njjj3o2 · 2016-04-13T20:46:19+00:00

The key word is "token."

JuniperSunshine · 2016-04-13T19:12:10+00:00

I actually had this problem with my husband. Somewhere along the way, he stopped initiating and started just asking me if I wanted to have sex. My kneejerk reaction was always "no thank you" or "maaaaaybeee...", even though I love my sexy husband and am generally pretty horny lol. I, like many many, MANY women needed time to let the idea of sex percolate before enthusiastically consenting. Now he flirts with me and kisses me during the day or initiates slowwwly until I get into it (about 2 minutes in). I had to sit him down and discuss it with him. Basically I told him that he already had my general consent by marriage and if I didn't want to, I would let him know that info before sex became an option (basically as soon as the kids went to bed.)

I don't think that would be appropriate without a loving, trusting relationship however. I agree that there needs to be a consentual power exchange going on, though I don't think that this needs to be a BDSM thing at all. " Assume I'm consenting unless I explicitly say otherwise" isn't exactly some weird sexual kink.

drok007 · 2016-04-13T17:32:58+00:00

I don't know what planet you are from. Women routinely make it a challenge to give it up. Men don't do a dog and pony show for nothing.

If this rustles your jimmies, talk to the women who are acting like children.

Lol at consensual power play though, that is what is not normal.

machimus · 2016-04-13T18:21:45+00:00

I think this was either poorly-worded or poorly-understood.

Women don't want to be thought of as sluts, it's a negative social stigma. Sometimes, the reason they don't want to have sex so early is just that they don't want to appear, to their partner or others, that they are being slutty (whatever that means).

IF that's the only thing holding her back, and that's a pretty big "if", a lot can be done to ameliorate these concerns and probably have sex anyway. I'd like to take this opportunity to emphasize that this is not the same as steamrolling over lack of consent.

PurplepillBro · 2016-04-13T19:31:09+00:00

When you're chasing girls you hear this stuff all the time. They become ridiculous. Let me tell you the funniest one I've heard:

"We can't do it because I don't have a toothbrush here."

"Baby it's cool, I've got extra toothbrushes."

swoon

I've also had this happen with a contact lens case. Bitches love their toiletries, lol.

Anyway the point is, these women aren't thinking logically, they just get a little scared and their mind jumps to some random ass shit as part of the anxiety. If you take care of the "problem" they calm down and it's fine.

Unless you think the toothbrush was a serious objection?

Ultramegasaurus · 2016-04-13T17:30:18+00:00

Tell women to stop playing coy then

AnUndecidedPill · 2016-04-13T19:56:17+00:00

A lot of guys have it in their heads that women shit-test men to see if he's bold enough to go further as opposed to complying with her "objections" because women want a bold man with balls who's a goes for what he wants, not a timid man who seeks permission the whole time. Why do you think women say things lime they want a man who will "sweep them off their feet"?

The thing is though, there are women who do this, they put up "resistance" to see how far a man will go and if he passes her "confident man" test..the panties come off. Have a look at TRP field reports, they're full of these stories.

disposable_pants · 2016-04-13T20:32:15+00:00

Perhaps instead of writing a breathless post about how you just can't even believe someone wrote this, you could answer the questions I posed in the discussion you're referring to:

Then explain women's own accounts of intentionally making partners wait for sex. These women are attracted enough to their partner to date them and sleep with them, yet they made the guy wait. What is making someone you want to sleep with wait to sleep with you if it's not token resistance?

Also, explain why you think every time a woman is being raped every time she says "I'm too tired" than ends up having sex. Because unless that's token resistance, the guy is raping her. How does that seem reasonable in the slightest?

--HankMoody-- · 2016-04-14T03:23:49+00:00

This is just really sad trolling. I mean LMR was talked about way back in Strauss' little book. Every guy who has been with more than three women knows it is a game sometimes played between two consenting adults. You are just trying to take things to their literal extreme. You make things sound illegal and dangerous and infer red pill men are rapists.

We get it that you like to cherry pick quotes out of context and extend them to an extreme view. We get that you get a big kick out of "standing up" to us red pill bogeymen. To you there is an evil raping redpill man around every corner. Who is afraid of the big bad red pill wolf. It is getting quite silly.

However for the sake of accuracy I will bite. I almost never encounter LMR. When I do I simply revert to the nearly fool proof method suggested all the way back in "the game", ie: stop everything and ignore her completely. If a girl is in a room alone with me after a date or meeting and she does not wish to get physical I simply stop trying to touch her or talk to her at all. I get out my phone and start texting, checking my emails, read the news. Within minutes she is always back kissing on me and touching on me. Then I play a bit of hard to get/ offended for a minute or two and she becomes the aggressor. This works like a charm and by doing nothing at all by ignoring the girl it is impossible to be a rapist. I mean every player knows this stuff yet here we have this idiotic post.

Ladies can you please chime in on this. I would love to hear your views.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2016-04-14T12:28:46+00:00

Actually depending on how you define it that could be true in many cultures where women are taught they aren't supposed to want sex. They have to pretend to not be interested to protect their image.

JuniperSunshine · 2016-04-13T18:36:07+00:00

There is a world of difference between "I don't knoooowww...." And, "No, I don't want to."

dicklord_airplane · 2016-04-13T18:09:39+00:00

I agree with you. I really dont enjoy persuading girls to have sex and ignoring resistance to sex, but there are many, many girls who actually do put up token resistance. Ive heard many female friends and exes say in no uncertain terms that they intentionally put up restistance to sex when they actually want it, and its for a variety of reasons. Please keep in mind that not everybody thinks and feels like you do, so please dont deny that the following types of people exist in significant numbers.

Some say they really like it when a guy persistently and confidently seduces them despite their token resistance. They say it can be ridiculously hot when guys do not give up on what they want. Some women want to be pursued and won over, and thats ok, and that means that the guy will have to ignore her token resistance. I cant count the times ive witnessed this, where a girl grills a guy and gives him a hard time but then feels disappointed when he gives up and stops pursuing her.

Some girls just dont get into the mood until a guy actively tries to get her in the mood. I remember one of my exes was never in the mood for sex unless i went through a long winded process to turn her on. After sex, she would say things like "im so glad you changed my mind. I didnt know id enjoy sex so much right now." people can be seduced and inspired, and thats not an evil thing. Lots of people really enjoy it.

Other girls are absolutely terrified of being perceived as slutty, so they always put up resistance. They feel like initiating sex would or enthusiastically going along with a guy's advances would make them desperate or slutty, so they put up token resistance to avoid taking responsibility for the act of sex. Thankfully, this is changing in western culture and lots of girls do not feel like this at all.

The fact is that tons of women need to be persuaded and seduced before they feel comfortable having sex, and men will do what they must to make it happen. I see this every time i hang out with friends or go out on the town. It is almost always guys trying to convinve women to go home with them and its almost always women resisting advances.

Id pose the inverse question: what if men didnt actively pursue sex and never tried to seduce women or win them over? If that were to happen, id say that lots of women would hardly have any sex at all, whether it be casual or in relationships.

InformalCriticism · 2016-04-13T17:34:18+00:00

I don't really know; I can't speak for individual experiences outside of my own. I've never had to overcome LMR.

I think it's supposed to occur when having one-night stands. The idea is that women believe they should not be easily bedded, but they still want to, and it's the job of the man to recognize that internal conflict and solve that problem for her, and there are various ways to do that.

redmachines · 2016-04-13T20:30:40+00:00

Women will try to simulate a rape scenario to make herself not look like a slut. When in that position, men should pull out and stay out. If you enable her passive aggressive behavior, you will be setting a precedent for the rest of the relationship.

Sepean · 2016-04-14T08:51:36+00:00

No, resistance should not be common in sexual encounters unless there is a consensual power play exchange happening.

You're 100% right.

The thing is, "consensual power play exchanges" are common.

/thread

[deleted] · 2016-04-14T14:45:46+00:00

My current girlfriend often has token resistance. Like, she'd go no, no and then either of two things happen. I undress her and she undresses me, or I back off thinking maybe she means it this time at which point she scowls, says I give up too easily and starts to undress.

Archwinger · 2016-04-13T18:49:21+00:00

Meh. 99.9 percent of the time, a woman feigning not being a slut, then whoops, sex "just happens" wasn't a real no. Maybe the other 1 in 1,000 is a rape. If your N-count gets to 1,000, maybe start to worry.

But not too much. According to feminists, maybe 70% percent of rapes go unreported anyway.

And only 2% of rapists ever go to jail.

So I like those odds.

OlBastard · 2016-04-13T17:33:28+00:00

It's common, but no way in the majority. It's not forcing, but more convincing her that it's what she wants if she becomes hesitant(due to any number of reasons).

If you like fucking many women, and don't want to waste more than a date or so getting to know them, then you'll encounter LMR every now and then.

It's not healthy, nor is it normal, and is borderline illegal.

It's healthy, it's normal for some of us, and it's not illegal.

wazzup987 · 2016-04-13T23:41:16+00:00

define common. at any rate it does happen, and a lot more often than feminist would like to admit, but i don't know if i would call it common. at any rate its some thing women need to deal with and men need to not tolerate.

hell even a feminist agrees with me:

http://emanix.livejournal.com/32668.html

warren farrel as also said similar things

Lonny_zone · 2016-04-14T00:08:21+00:00

I'm still kind of shocked that women feel the need to play coy even though it is socially acceptable to have multiple partners before marriage.

smokingmonkey420 · 2016-04-14T06:33:06+00:00

Does the idea of building up sexual tension mean anything to you?

rainbowbarfff · 2016-04-15T00:23:47+00:00

No, and as I've instructed my brothers - if a woman is resisting and you're respectful enough to back off but she then turns around and tells them that no, this is a game she plays and she really does actually want it - PUT A STOP TO THAT SHIT. Make her wait. Be firm about this shit. You haven't even boned and she's already running the show like this?

And hey, let's use Red Pill tactics and verbiage in this one. If a girl resists, you walk away, and then she turns around and tells you that she actually wants it and you turn right back around and fuck her - the ball is in now in her court. She just alpha'ed your ass. She established control and just bossed you around through many different extreme reactions, emotions and actions.

Fellas, if a girl you don't know, who you haven't really dated, who you haven't had sex with or established some kind of conversation on this kind of thing turns around on you and pulls this shit, establish YOUR dominance by letting her know point blank that you don't play these kinds of games off the bat. Walk away from the situation because you're in control here, not her at this point. The kind of dumb broad who will actually pull a stunt like this off the bat will love the fact that you're not letting her get her way and that you're establishing control and dominance.

And in this situation, you as a male need to hold control over it because it's the kind of situation that steps into a grey area that can cause a slew of legal and social repercussions for you.

Five_Decades · 2016-04-16T02:15:56+00:00

I don't think you understand what words like 'token' and 'consensual' mean.

More than that, you just seem like you enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing, so any attempt to debate is wasted.

danxmason · 2016-04-17T03:05:59+00:00

This discussion really is an argument between people who are nuanced and people who aren't. PowerTalk vs straight talk. Since people who speak PowerTalk are nuanced, and people who speak in straight talk are not, it is literally impossible to explain token resistance and "no can mean yes" to straight talkers.

As Russell brand says, it's like trying to explain the Internet to my cat.

jeezydasnowman · 2016-04-13T17:29:43+00:00

It depends on if you are attractive or not. She's gonna resist every time if you're a pasty dad bod cuz that shit is gross.

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midnightvulpine · 2016-04-13T18:34:47+00:00

What makes the comments on this post even more amusing is I bet if I asked all of you what 'token resistance' is, there would be ten different answers on a spectrum. You. Can't discuss something reasonably if you don't know how the other person sees it.

BluePiller1776 · 2016-04-13T19:23:57+00:00

I agree with you 1000%. I have a rule, if she says no, you get 1, and only 1, "are you sure?" before you start getting into creepy territory.

Do I believe that token resistance is a thing? ofcourse! women are shamed for their sexuality all the time, so a women really wanting to have sex but not doing it because she doesnt want to feel easy is not out of the question. But heres the thing, its still resistance. Whatever her reason is for not having sex with you is valid and should be respected. I dont care of a women tells me that she doesnt want to bang because she doesnt have sex when the moon is full on a tuesday with light rain. Yea its a bullshit excuse, but it still doesnt mean I have the right to keep pushing her!

You have to remember that many of TRP members have never had a women be naturally attracted to them for whatever reason. Thats why theyre on there in the first place. The idea of a women NOT resisting their sexual advances is completely out of the question for them. Every interaction with women has been them resisting these guys, so they see "LMR" as another hurdle to overcome.

Title	"Token Resistence is Common"
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Date	April 13, 2016 5:23 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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