Throughout the manosphere, here and everywhere else we see guys supposedly lamenting the ‘easiness’ of most modern women. The most honest among them will openly state their disdain for women who “give it up” too easily and admit they will (or would) discount women who agree to have first date OR casual sex with them.
In previous years I was fine with this way of thinking, having been generally under the impression that any woman who “throws sex” at a man she barely knows to be “deserving” of the consequences. Especially since it used to be that “only” players and Chad-tier ‘fuckboys’ tried to goad or coerce women into having early or casual sex.
I assumed those types of men were dangerously handsome (and MUCH more attractive than the women they were going after) and had obvious tells that pointed to their character and intentions. I genuinely believed only a stupid woman would sleep with them too soon or without evidence of an LTR if she was wanting more.
However in recent years, my opinion has changed. It’s no longer the hot ‘assholes’ and out-of-your-league ‘players’ pushing for, or even demanding quick/casual sex from women, it’s the so-called nice guys and “average” men.
They’re quick to call women “sluts” for having sex with them and even say she “should’ve known better”, but how? These men no longer lay their cards out or make it clear they’re only looking for a fling from the get-go anymore. They try to woo women, beg to be given a chance and swear they’re “different”. They’ll say all sorts of things about how they’re “not that kind of guy” and pretend to be genuinely interested in a girl, going out of their way to signal their trust-worthiness and stability. Even after sex they'll use sly terms and ambiguous phrasing to keep a girl on the hook; "I think this could be something real", "we'll see where things go", "I'm usually pretty guarded", "I've been burned before", etc, etc.
Yet these same guys are quick to fuckzone a woman who actually gives them what they want and dismiss or even demonize her later, citing her “easiness” as the reason why they can’t or won’t consider her as a serious romantic partner. Never once considering how they pressured or persuaded the woman into letting her guard down.
But why is this? While yes I understand that most men want sex above all things, it seems ridiculous to me that once sex has been had, it diminishes the woman in their eyes and she becomes relegated to the position of fuckbuddy or fling. Why is it that getting what you want from a woman somehow makes her “less than” in the eyes of many men?
Personally, it feels like the biggest shit test of all time and I really cannot understand why it's done nor why men act surprised their that their seemingly honest words or actions were believed.
And no, I'm not saying that every woman who gives up sex is "owed" a relationship, but I really can't see why some men will go to such great lengths to pursue sex, only to later act disappointed or as though the woman was a FOOL for believing them and is some kind of CC riding whore because of it.
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You can't really, thus the crux of RP male internal conflict. They want their own personal slut, but one that also still seems like a "challenge."
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You aren't presenting this fairly. TRP says that if she holds out sex with you while having immediately given in to her previous flings, that's a bad sign. That last bit is critical and you can't just ignore it.
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