Final Warning: Keep Your Damn Morals To Yourself

CopperFox3c · 2015-06-21T17:08:44+00:00

Gotta agree with the mods on this one.

It's one thing to say I don't agree with this, and here's why, it's an entirely different thing to say What you are doing is wrong, and you are an evil person. The first is rational discourse ... the second is shaming language.

If you don't understand the difference you shouldn't be on this board.

RPSigmaStigma · 2015-06-21T15:55:50+00:00

People just don't understand the difference between "amoral" and "immoral". Amorality is the practice of objectively and dispassionately analyzing facts. Immorality is behaving in ways that run counter to ones own, or society's, ethical standards. TRP is amoral in the same way that science is amoral.

RedBigMan · 2015-06-21T17:02:48+00:00

If dudes want to fuck married women then they should go ahead.

I just caution fucking married women because it could lead to a man catching a beating or worse. Blue pill men can and will engage in extreme mate guarding behavior which may include force feeding your body some lead pills instead of red pills. You may think you're doing a man a favor by boning his wife to show him what a slut she is and how beta doesn't work but until the husband is ready to swallow the red pill it wont help worth a damn if his wife is fucking railed by 100 Chad's in a single night.

GayLubeOil · 2015-06-21T17:42:26+00:00

All western sociology classes are infested with Critical Theory. The 22 year olds of TRP are being trained to talk about their feelz and identify problematic aspects. If they do this then their overweight SJW Teacher Assistant will give them participation points.

Then they go on TRP and read GayLubeOils literary masterpiece :Getting a Woman to Cheat is Like Getting a Duck to Eat Bread. They flip balls and then begin writing 200 word thought response as if they were still in class.

iBrokeRSA · 2015-06-21T18:29:01+00:00

Good stuff. It's one thing to say "fucking married women is usually a bad idea because the husband might snap and get the idea to stab your shit up" or "bad idea to fuck your friends girl if he adds more value to your life than 20 minutes of pussy."

It's another to say "you are causing the downfall of western civilization by fucking married women you lowlife coward blah blah blah degeneracy blah blah blah"

If you've read The Way of Men, you'll note that Jack Donovan makes a key distinction between Being a Good Man -- traditional honour and moral virtue and Being good at being a man -- alpha characteristics that show strength, tenacity and ability regardless of moral inclination.

TRP isn't about being a good man. It's about being good at being a man. That's why people say TRP is amoral.

IllimitableMan · 2015-06-21T19:41:43+00:00

Simplest way to put this:

If someone thinks what you're advocating means they couldn't trust you if they knew you, then it's immoral to them.

If you are loyal to nobody, will betray when you need to, feel no empathy and you know of a guy who is just like you, you will think he is badass but you won't trust him. DTs don't trust DTs because they know themselves. To most people this lack of trust constitutes "immorality."

If someone can't trust you, you automatically become immoral to them (even if you help the environment.)

If you sound like you enjoy others pain, others rightfully assume you would enjoy their pain too, so they distrust you and then again, you're deemed immoral by that person.

Fuck ethics for a second, just go along with this basic premise: if you betray them, they think you're immoral. That's it. No elaborate codes or commandments, simply a "can they trust you?" question. No? What's that? You like fucking people's wives and they happen to be married or want to get married one day? Right, then they think you're immoral.

There's a reason these discussions are had ON THE INTERNET where you feel anonymous. Because in real life this shit would ruin your reputation. Why? Because people wouldn't trust you and that means they'd think you're immoral. Reputation is everything. And reputation is built on EXPERTISE and TRUST. If someone can't trust you, you're immoral to them. You could be the most cunning guy alive, if someone trusted you, they'd think your moral.

Sadism is deemed immoral by the vast majority. That's why when someone posts a thread saying "I fucked his wife and his sister and his mother and I laughed as he watched crying" you're wise to delete that just as much as you should delete the idiot questioning the morality of strategy (strategy is amoral - pointless to discuss it.) But when people tell stories, they don't hear strategy discussion, they hear something they relate to and they will inject their morals into that.

People can't and won't not inject their morals into stories. Even a psychopath does this, he'll think "why did he not just fuck the wife when she came over and flirted?" And then call the guy who doesn't fuck a married woman a faggot for not doing it. Most people judge you for being too sadistic, a psychopath judges you for being too altruistic (why do you care how this affects other people? It's good for you.)

If you don't delete the threads with guys talking about adultery, you will always get bro knighting. ALWAYS. Why? Because lots of people have empathy and they don't want to hear about how people who have little to no empathy will do whatever it takes to get what they want and don't give a shit about the consequences or collateral.

That will always wind people up. And if you start banning the empathic majority so the psychopathic minority can discuss optimal strategies, you're going to lose A LOT of people in the sub. I'm starting up a dark triad sub soon to discuss such things, but it's going to be private PRECISELY BECAUSE I know that kind of discussion isn't meant to be had out in the open, but with people who can cast morals to the side and speak PURELY ABOUT THE STRATEGY FOR THE SAKE OF REFINING IT. Regardless of my morals, I can do that. But this is not something most people can do, because their personality (usually religious morality) infects all their judgements.

IMO, ban the threads that sound overly sadistic and ban the threads that sound overly whiny and are all "should we really do this to people though?" and then you won't get any drama.

But when you let altruism or sadism shape any message, you're always going to have sadists call altruists ineffectual pussies, and altruists call sadists evil, demonic, or whatever. And that's a fucking shit show. That's what a lack of shared values does.

Sarcasticus · 2015-06-21T15:51:01+00:00

Morals are an individuals interpretation of the world filtered through his values. Not everyone has the same values and therefore not everyone has the same morals.

While its fine for me to express my opinion on why, for example, I think sleeping with married women is wrong. It is not my place to tell someone else they are wrong if they choose to do so.

I think new readers need to grasp the idea that it's up to each man to decide how he wants to live his life. There is no one path to happiness and success that will work for everyone. Feel free to give advice on what works for you.

But don't presume to think you know enough to tell someone else how to live their life.

reddishman · 2015-06-21T20:33:18+00:00

I am going to fuck your girlfriend

I am going to fuck your girlfriend because I don't know you nor do I owe you any loyalty.

I am going to fuck your girlfriend because you let yourself go and she can't get her tingles from you anymore.

I am going to fuck your girlfriend because she's here drinking with me alone.

I am going to fuck your girlfriend because she's an adult and she can make her own decisions.

I am going to fuck your girlfriend because she values the feeling of my penis in her vagina over whatever it is she gets from associating with you.

I am going to fuck your girlfriend because you didn't next her like you should have.

Did I miss anything?

(This is verbatim from an old post on TRP from my notes. After reading this post I dropped all my morals on the topic. Life is better now)

redpilled-by-design · 2015-06-21T15:48:32+00:00

This sort of shit doesn't (and rightfully so) fly in r/theredpill, we are about lifting each other up, and being the best version of ourselves. I would go so far as to argue that people who use shame tactics are in fact still VERY BP. After all, attacking another man because of his sexual choices? Sounds like a white knight to me...

malkovic · 2015-06-21T21:55:10+00:00

Honest question here:

By extrapolation, will users who mock others for being religious/have morals also be banned?

whatsazipper · 2015-06-21T18:17:37+00:00

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Calpurnia_was_right · 2015-06-21T18:37:04+00:00

Aren't you worried that our refusal to discuss morality is actually indicative of a gaping flaw in our consideration of these issues and we all essentially have our heads buried in the sand, refusing to acknowledge that maybe our claims that this is all amoral is just us trying to avoid having to deal with the moral implications of our behavior, which might requires us to admit some fault, which would result in fewer books sold and blog hits for the people with tags next to their names?

interestedplayer · 2015-06-21T18:45:26+00:00

After reading through the comments, I have to agree with one thing. A lot of people here like to police comments through the same shaming mechanism. What is the ultimate red pill morality? To not be blue pill. I can't tell you how many times I have read you are so fucking blue pill in comments around here.

The truth is, it is intellectually lazy. Instead of making a rational argument, they would rather just call someone BP, spout off something they read somewhere else, and then move along feeling morally superior (or they can call it more alpha) than the guy they were bad mouthing.

It all feeds the same ego. I am rewarded by the community for reinforcing the supposedly "good" behaviors. The only difference is the scale of community. I wish there would be policing for the same mechanism, because it does nothing to help people realize what they might have been doing wrong by just saying "you're blue pill, fuck off".

If the goal is to keep the discussion on the merits, then let's actually do that. I agree that dogma should have no place here, so let's sanction it in all forms.

ShanksNes · 2015-06-22T18:05:00+00:00

Good that we're back on track. TRP has increasingly acquired a lifestyle/moral flair, and deviated to what this is primarily about - Sexual strategy and frame. This is a good step.

Betterthanuatlife · 2015-06-23T19:41:25+00:00

Morality is nothing but an invented concept.

hebola4lyfe · 2015-06-21T21:38:03+00:00

I dont know why you guys havent noticed it yet.

This sub is getting flooded by fake users who disguise themselves as red pillers but are actual hardcore SJW, manginas, feminists, blue pillers and women .

The recent posts and threads shows this blatantly .

Everyone here is so proud to have achieved 117 k subscribers but most of these new comers are the aforementioned who are trying desperately to infiltrate among us.

pha111 · 2015-06-22T09:51:51+00:00

There are just some retards out there who simply cannot comprehend the word "amoral". They can only think in terms a 3-year-old would understand: good, bad, nice, mean, payback. To them, "women are this way" is the same as "women women are bad because they are this way, should treat them badly as revenge". To them, the "is/ought" fallacy is their natural state. More to the point, "here is how to game women" is seen as an endorsement of the same. The dumber ones think that TRP should be responsible for policing the use of this new knowledge, and prevent the collapse by changing society or women somehow. They're too stupid to habe figured out that TRP is a small fraction of people who have figured out hypergamy. Us all volunteering to become tradcons and marry submissive women would do absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

vengefully_yours · 2015-06-22T02:04:30+00:00

Fuck me, not that shit again. I do not give a fuck if the bitch is dating, taken, married, or anything other than willing.

Why? Simply because if the bitch is gonna cheat, it doesn't matter if it's me, you, or Chad that is knocking the bottom out of her, someone will be. She decides who she fucks we don't, so if you want to hold some moral high ground you're welcome to, and your bitch will gladly suck Chad dry while you remain ignorant. In this time , and sure as fuck in the USA, she can and will fuck anyone she wants to fuck, married or not, because she can and all she will hear is "You go girl" from her entire family and all her friends, meanwhile the state will reward her for it.

You're damn right I will fuck your wife if she wants to fuck me, and I won't think twice about it. Unless she is stupid, you'll never know, and she is probably fucking some other guy right now.

Matharon · 2015-06-21T16:13:43+00:00

Thank you so much. I've been sick of that morality shit. You mods do a pretty good job, and I appreciate the work you put in here.

Dildo_Saggins · 2015-06-21T16:06:49+00:00

I know we have a whole slew of new members. 117,000 subs, compared to the 8,000 when I first came around.

Kinda off topic, but we're getting close to the size fatpeoplehate was before it was banned. What happens when theredpill posts make it to the frontpage? Or are we exempt from it? I'd sure hope so.

NeoreactionSafe · 2015-06-21T19:13:00+00:00

The Jerry Springer Show

Some watch it to observe Immoral behavior as someone who is just curious about how crazy things can get.

Others watch it to sharpen their skills to actually do something similiar.

It's Enjoy the Decline contrasted with Enjoy the Collapse.

The people who actually imitate the Immoral behaviors are enjoying the decline. Those who see an end to all this coming (the Misandry Bubble) sense that these behaviors hasten the end and it sort of liberates one in the present because it loses it's attractiveness. It wakes you up.

One really should laugh at how crazy this stuff gets. (and they are true field reports)

AWALT:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Così_fan_tutte

...Mozart could see the Chaos and make fun of it.

disposable_pants · 2015-06-21T20:18:09+00:00

Genuine question from someone who doesn't have a dog in this particular fight. How does this purpose statement:

This sub is about discussion of sexual strategy in culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

Square with the sub's stance on amorality? How can we create a positive identity for men without morals? Isn't morality a prerequisite for defining what "positive" is?

RedPillWatchTower · 2015-06-21T18:10:57+00:00

Personally, I think not wanting to pound a vag that is getting pierced by other dicks is a choice, not a moral.

Frankly, I am disgusted at the thought of any girl I am having sex with getting slammed by another man while she can have me. It is the least attractive thing a girl can do for me. It does not make me feel alpha to know that a girl desires someone else. If she thinks she can do better, I say go do your best. Being alpha, to me, is being the optimal choice, not one of many. Thus, banging married women is not an option.

I won't hook up with women who have children either. I refuse to participate in the propagation of another man's DNA. This is a personal standard, not some objective morality that I believe everyone else must live by. The difference is the level of judgement that I have regarding others. I don't find others who don't live up to my standards immoral. I just think their standards are inferior. But in truth, I think most men are inferior to me anyway, so that doesn't change much.

A419a · 2015-06-23T01:15:21+00:00

Honest question here. What about morals concerning the age of consent. For example, the advice to go somewhere where the age of consent is low to look for girls who would be great for LTRs (and where there is a chance they really are virgins). Nothing illegal in the country we are talking about but definitely illegal in the US. I ask this because the young virgins are the closest thing to a unicorn you will find and if you wait to 16 or 18 like in the US you'll realize the CC ride has already started for many.

Think of how normal women and BPers respond to a man dating someone much younger. "Can't handle a woman your own age?!" they say. But to anyone who knows enough about reality will realize that women depreciate with age and that a man who can have someone younger is doing things right.

Maybe this can be the one spot where we can admit that younger is better without having to add an 18+ clause.

cipahs · 2015-12-12T20:32:46+00:00

college frat guy here

nothing feels better when looking down at a chick giving you head and seeing that hand with a fat diamond rapped around your dick

IllimitableMan · 2015-06-21T18:45:49+00:00

Appreciate you stickying the link to my newest article it will help the topic get seen more. Some good book recommendations at the end I urge you all to check out. Thanks!

RPMahoutsukai · 2015-06-22T13:53:44+00:00

You should also consider shaming towards people who prefer LTR, contemplate marriage, or think that women worthy of commitment exist in the world. There's quite a bunch of people on TRP, endorsed even, who shame you, begin ad hominem attacks, and so on, only for the fact that you consider commiting to a woman being an option.

kalstate · 2015-06-21T22:14:03+00:00

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asymptotic_salvation · 2015-06-21T21:44:42+00:00

Any shaming language from one man to another is going to trigger my ban-hammer.

When you see such language would you say you're triggered?

wakethfkupneo · 2015-06-22T16:20:47+00:00

You might as well enforce the same rule in AskTRP. I unsubbed from there after too much morality and "positive thoughts". Not sure how is it today, but last time I've checked people couldn't grasp the idea that assholery IS valid strategy for getting laid and fast. It's losing it's edge and it's watered down a bit too much /rant

vys1 · 2015-06-22T11:49:24+00:00

Morality is subjective anyway. You can't impose something subjective onto someone as if it were an absolute truth; that is simply ridiculous.

CowardlyPetrov · 2015-06-21T15:58:40+00:00

This sub is about discussion of sexual strategy in culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

What does the positive part of that mean then?

Shaming is the tool of feminists and blue pillers. It has no place here.

Does the fact that some people use misplaced shame as a tool for manipulation to manipulate others mean that a man can never be ashamed when he is genuinely wrong and deserving of shame?

I don't know the answers. I tend to like seeing discussions on morality here, and even stupid posts, because the sledgehammer of RP knowledge that quickly follows is generally pretty good to read.

I don't trust in anyone and I don't know enough to say either way, but I hope this all works out as intended.

SleepNowMyThrowaway · 2015-06-21T15:58:31+00:00

Yea I never did get their soapbox moralizing; these women are DTF and it's not like they're being raped - and if you refuse to fuck them, they'll find another cock.

It's not like they'll see the error of their ways, and join a convent or something.

QQ_L2P · 2015-06-22T00:35:14+00:00

The man who shames another about fucking married women is usually one who holds a deep seated fear about it happening to him.

If this is you, step up your fucking game and stop worrying about what other people do.

alreadyredschool · 2015-06-21T15:40:45+00:00

"B-But muh opinions, people NEED to hear them, I am important, look at MEEE."

I find shaming language amusing, especially if it hits me in a pm with nothing more than "faggot"

sway_usa · 2015-06-21T20:16:21+00:00

I really, really hate the term "fee fees". And I also can't really explain why.

sunwukong155 · 2015-06-22T04:49:50+00:00

One might think that men fucking married women might contribute to a society that lacks a positive view towards men. But that's just my opinion.

lifeliberty · 2015-06-22T07:01:14+00:00

The only thing worse than someone "whining" about people's choices , is whining about the fact that it bothers other people. Can we man up and stop being so fucking sensitive ??? Say what you want ,I'll either read it, ignore it or vote on it. We don't need a policing nanny state to cry about he said I'm a bad person bs. Seriously men , this isn't fucking lifetime let people say whatever the fuck they want and go about your damn day.

longerdistance · 2015-06-21T16:06:00+00:00

And as a final reminder, keep your damn morals to yourself. Any shaming language from one man to another is going to trigger my ban-hammer. This is fair warning.

Ha! Keep up the good work guys! Everyone is entitled to their own morality, but this is a place to share knowledge and experiences. "Immoral" behavior will uncover truths that would otherwise have remained hidden, and as such it is valuable to share. Neither shaming men who have sex with taken women nor shaming those who don't has a place here.

princessvaginaalpha · 2015-12-16T01:54:13+00:00

I agree with the mod. Glad that you cleared it all up.

JablesRadio · 2015-06-22T00:46:09+00:00

Just want to say thanks for putting this up. White knights are a cancer.

geosh · 2015-06-23T18:43:28+00:00

I don't think TRP should have an official viewpoint on morality, personally. That gets filed under personal philosophical beliefs, and it's a very complicated philosophical issue (although you may not always see it when you're surfing around reddit's atheist hug-bubble). I'm sure, for instance, that Dalrock would chime in on this differently than some of you. Also, while one of TRP's mantras is "don't ever get married" (and good advice no doubt), you can still apply TRP principles if you do happen to be married. Even Rollo Tomassi writes about plate theory that "The way to circumvent this dynamic is brutal honesty and a commitment to truthful, non-exclusivity with the plates you’re spinning" -- supporting the fact that being dishonest isn't necessarily a good thing. Regardless of whether or not there are hedonistic reasons for such, it's still fundamentally a moral stance, even if the philosophy behind it is superficial. The difference of course is how it's presented.

My point here is that TRP to me has always been a philosophy in and of itself, and tool for self improvement rather than a set of rules to follow. That inherently comes with a certain moral code. You've essentially set forth a rule here, but isn't a set of rules to follow a certain moral stance itself? This post itself violates the very rule it's supposedly imposing. More importantly though, this post seems to be addressing a symptom of the underlying issue rather than the disease itself: the "You being a bad person hurts my fee fees, and I'm going to let you know about it" is the problem here, not some philosophical viewpoint on morality. Although, from what I've seen here, those types of posts typically get downvoted to oblivion around here, so in a sense we're already self-moderating this issue. I guess I could be wrong, I'm not sure exactly which posts in question inspired this OP to begin with.

LionLaw · 2015-06-21T17:13:02+00:00

There is no such thing as morality on The Red Pill.
All of us here are dogs with our own agenda, some of us more worthless than others. But that's the point of TRP in the first place; to become the top dog.
Being morally responsible won't get you very far, particularly when society is against us men as much as it is anyway.
Be your own boss and make what you do seem morally responsible like a real alpha would

SW9876 · 2015-06-21T20:27:11+00:00

I absolutely hate the definition you have for the red pill, "Discussion of sexual strategy in culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men". TRP means so much more. It is a real disservice for this entire sub reddit to label it so poorly.

QraQen · 2015-06-21T23:13:24+00:00

Censoring oposing views now?

I guess this place is truly no better than the left you claim to despise and I guess this really is no more than a PUA sub now.

"I can do whatever I want and nobody is allowed to criticize me".

-The mantra of feminism and now the mantra of TRP as well.

H42 · Sun Jun 21 15:53:28 2015 UTC

But ... but ... but ... Someone on the Internet is WRONG!!

Cheers to you Mod. Thanks!

studiov34 · 2015-06-21T20:17:55+00:00

I just find it interesting that a sub with so much complaining about how women are so awful because they're scheming gold-digging cheating whores (the essence of AWALT, and basically a moral judgement), wants to be exempt from the moral implications of their own actions.

eserai · 2015-06-21T17:13:54+00:00

When you say "I see no problem in fucking married woman," you are making a moral judgement, are you not? Well keep it to yourself broheim; Red Pill is amoral; No one cares.

Ninebythreeinch · 2015-06-21T22:27:07+00:00

It's the way of Reddit: to judge and condemn everone that doesn't share ones own opinion. That's why it's turning into such a hugbox, where everyone try to make it a "safe" place where nobody gets their feelings hurt.

RedPillWatchTower · 2015-06-21T18:37:15+00:00

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omnipedia · 2015-06-21T16:24:59+00:00

Uh that thread you linked to, including the OP had shaming language from the "pro married women" crowd but all of the comments opposed were deleted.

You can't have discussion when one group gets to harass those who disagree and the moderator threatens to ban the victims of the harassment.

So what you're saying by "no morals" is that only one viewpoint will be allowed. You're fucking lying when to claim its shaming-- and you're threatening people with a ban.

If you have no morals and can't even be honest with the membership here, then this is just as enforcing of political correctness as the worst blue pill subs.

This moderator needs to be removed from this group immediately.

Derbi50 · 2015-06-21T22:03:01+00:00

Wow those comments are ridiculous on that article.

All the people act like she is completely a victim and he over reacted.

He just wasted god knows how much money, time, and whatever else on this girl and she literally destroyed him.

I mean granted it was all his fault, but fuck.

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rRaptorJesus · 2015-06-22T12:59:41+00:00

Regarding shaming language, I often see commenters using power talk and the 48 laws of power in their responses.

While we should learn and employ these tactics in our personal lives, I see TRP as a place where straight talk should be the norm.

A lot of guys coming here for help (myself included) will understand and benefit from straight talk much more than power talk.

PabloEscoba · 2015-12-14T13:08:22+00:00

A great read.Im still reletively new here but ive noticed the moral high road in some responses. Its fucking annoying.

battyryder · 2015-06-21T17:40:17+00:00

this is funny, if a woman married or otherwise wants to fuck you then, fuck her if you want it. there ain't no bro code when it comes to a dicking. unless it is a literal blood relatives woman, that might be trouble. all these bitches are fair game outside that in my opinion. especially if she's attractive to you and making herself available to you. fucks sake it is her choice just as much as yours.

SQQQ · 2015-06-21T19:45:20+00:00

"Happy Sunday."

not Father's Day? :p

BlueFreedom420 · 2015-06-21T22:39:36+00:00

Ok, ill quote this thread if I get gigged for posting my thoughts.

I hope this is not "Don't spew your morals on me! but you must respect my morals!"

I think rape is a valid way to get sex.

smurfiply · 2015-06-21T21:31:03+00:00

If you can't deal with an opposing position besides laying down the ban hammer, maybe your own identity is in question. Maybe the mods have a bit of an inferiority complex.

sardinemanR · 2015-06-22T01:57:21+00:00

I've participated in some of these, although I have never used shaming language. Just stated that society is in decline and clearly doesn't have those "morals" and TRP exists as a result, something to that effect.

I don't anticipate ever starting these discussions and I've always just been on topic, but I am rather curious if that is ban worthy. Is it that the opic is just completely banned or just to shaming language part? I think there is a pretty large difference between the two.

SmirkAddict · 2015-12-13T23:44:30+00:00

What about the race baiting? There's no issue creating needless desention but you are banning guys for morality debates. Interesting....

Metalaggeddon · 2015-12-14T01:54:09+00:00

Just had to repeat this to a poor novice a few days ago.

Tldr, don't worry about morality, worry about setting your own hard lines of conduct. The red pull IS NOT MORAL NOR A PHILOSOPHY

SUMMARY

As a student of ethics (what is right and wrong) and metaethics (how do we know what is right and wrong) and the red pill (a praxeology for male actualization) I outline the two primary camps of moral judgements, that they are true/false, or they are not true/false. Presuming either to be the case, I explain trps association (as a praxeology) with either view of moral judgements, hopefully putting the morality debate to rest.

DEFINITIONS

Morality=ethics ( what is right and wrong) we are not discussing what is right and wrong. We are discussing peoples judgements of what is right and wrong.

moral judgement= a statement about ethics." (it is wrong to murder) these are what we are discussing. Not whether murder is actually wrong, what it means when someone calls it such.

wrong= you ought not to do (x)

right= you ought to do (x)

praxeology= a system or strategy based on empirical and experiential reality, a so called toolbox to deal with a set of circumstances.

predicate= a phrase that enacts on a subject, (x). Example, I close the door, (i=subject) (close the door =predicate)

philosophy= a love of wisdom, an appreciation of a certain theory on the functions of something being observed, internal, external, theoretical, concrete, or metaphysical.

logic= a bimodal system used to measure truth and falsity, in terms of the principal of noncontradiction. (we shall exclude trimodal systems and further for this discussion)

argument 1

Moral judgements are predicates.

Predicates are exclusively true or false, except when referring to themselves or non real things. (Chicago is a city = true or false), (unicorns are beautiful = not a predicate, as unicorns are a non real thing)

Moral judgements are true or false, except when referring to themselves.

All moral judgements are equivalent to stating an (ought to do) or (ought not to do).

argument 2

Moral judgements are not predicates, and only seem to be.

Moral judgements are based on feelings, and are not true or false.

All moral judgements are permissible, and so don't imply an (ought to do), or, (ought not to do).

trps relation to argument 1

Moral judgements are true or false.

Well trp itself holds no moral judgements, as a praxeology it is a subject. (a system or tool box). A subject is not a predicate.

This means you may make moral judgements about trp, but they are ultimately irrelevant, as you are doing the same as saying "you ought to use a toolbox" or "you ought not to use a toolbox" as you can see, it's a silly statement standing alone, as there is no further context. Regardless of whether you believe moral judgements true or false, any judgement about trp itself is of little note. However if you were to say something about how you use trp, that could be a moral judgement. For example, (you ought not to use trp for x) would be a moral judgement, either true or false. The problem within is as follows.

Making a true or false claim (a judgement) is dangerous and ultimately self destructive. The reason why is that in forming a judgement about a praxeology, your judgement now must be airtight. If someone can provide even one example where the judgement doesn't hold, your judgement is false.

Example: (using trp to game women is wrong).

Well now what you've actually said is, (using trp to game women is something you ought not to do), is true.

If someone can name even one circumstance that contradicts that, your judgement is broken or must be revised.

Ex (so you should not use trp to game a woman, even if that woman loves and enjoys being gamed, it provides her the happiest lifestyle and fulfilment

fitnesspm · 2015-12-14T10:57:58+00:00

If a married woman is doing you, she is doing other men too. Once a cheater, always a cheater where you doing the husband a favour and exposing her early on. Its best he gets his heart broken early compare to 10, 20 years into the marriage when he busts her cheating. And plus women over 30 are ugly and fat!

I use to feel gulity but i found out these women were doing every man in her zipcode behind her husband back (westernised women brainwashed to be care free today).

If a woman has more then 5 dicks she isn't relationship material unless they where long term relationships.

If you want a real relationship you have to head to the east and stay there. Bring her back to the west and she will be poison by Feminism.

Women in the west are just hoes, don't be stupid and fall in love with one!! I try to have little interaction with women in the west cause most are seriously broken things.

Trust me, you will find real people in the East and be 100× happier!

astrokidd · 2015-12-15T10:31:19+00:00

Guys, if you're planning to sleep with someone else's wife, make sure you're not from Hawaii, Illinois, Mississippi, New Mexico, North Carolina, South Dakota, or Utah. Wronged husband can sue you big time under the cause "alienation of affection". Google that.

adiktif · 2015-06-21T19:23:36+00:00

"This sub is about discussion of sexual strategy in culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men."

what it is about and what people write on here are two different things. theres no sexual strategy on writing a post about banging some married chick. lol

spectrum_92 · 2015-06-22T06:37:01+00:00

You can argue that this sub is about discussing sexual strategy, but at least half is really just decrying the awful and immoral behavior of women. Why shouldn't people here be able to call out the shitty behavior of men? If a wife cheating is immoral behavior, like every second post here implies, then fucking a married woman is just as immoral - to say otherwise is male 'hamstering' at it's finest and most hypocritical.

In any case, no immoral person is going to be convinced their behavior is immoral, so there might not be any point discussing it. But this sub is all about talking straight with no bullshit, and we're all opposed to the awful state of censorship on reddit that threatens this subs existence. To fall prey to those same pathetic tactics to try and enforce uniformity and purity like a fucking inquisitor is completely hypocritical and bad for the sub. People don't like being told their behavior is immoral? Fuck them, suck it up, I thought that's what being 'alpha' was all about.

NaughtyFred · 2015-12-13T14:04:10+00:00

The following is not shaming and should not be interpreted as such. Fuck a wife or don't, I don't care what you do but...

Most of the guys here who fuck married women absolve themselves from any responsibilty by hamstering "She was going to cheat anyway so it's got nothing to do with me"

You stuck your dick in her so it does have something to do with you.

If a guy commits suicide by jumping off a 50th floor balcony and you shoot him in the head as he falls according to the law you're guilty of murder.

Saying "well he was gonna die anyway" in court won't prevent a conviction.

If you DGAF about ruining a marriage that's fine with me, I've made my peace with the amoral nature of rp, but don't act like you had no part in it happening.

redpillschool · 2015-06-21T16:17:53+00:00

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WhiskeyGrin · 2015-06-21T20:41:48+00:00

OP drives his point home in a logical concise manner here.

Buchloe · 2015-12-14T04:08:50+00:00

Cheating seems to garner similar non-objective judgement . "Be a man and break it off, don't be like women and cheat of you're in an LTR"

Sdom1 · 2015-12-14T17:26:42+00:00

To me, there are two kinds of moral choices - the ones that you purely make for yourself based on your feelings, and the ones that actually have some sort of effect on the world, however small. You can't judge someone for the former, while you CAN for the latter. Banging married women falls under the first category - your choice is for your own personal reasons but means nothing.

Why, you ask? Well, if a woman, or a man for that matter, wants to cheat, they are going to cheat with someone. For a woman, it's only a brief matter of time before she meets someone who gives her tingles and is down to fuck. For a guy, either he's plugging his secretary, one of his wife's "friends," or he's hitting up the rub and tug.

Now, if you'd rather not be involved in that, that's OK. It's risky on several levels and comes with its share of headaches besides. But never think that because you said no, then you righted some kind of moral balance and she never cucked her hubby. She is still cucking him, just not with you.

LAMFF · 2015-06-21T15:43:32+00:00

Yeah, keep your morals to yourself, you cunts!

RedSovereign · 2015-06-21T19:46:44+00:00

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Mudane · 2015-06-21T19:35:20+00:00

Agreed, definitely on the last part

Joseph_the_Carpenter · 2015-12-12T22:55:04+00:00

In light of this post not only am I going to continue to fuck married/engaged/boyfriended women, I'm going to fuck only m/e/b women and step up my homewrecker game.

Come at me.

2015-06-22T11:32:08+00:00

Science is decidedly NOT amoral. Anyone who says otherwise has NEVER worked in a research laboratory with human or animal subjects. All kinds of MORAL imperatives drive science in all kinds of ways both good and bad.

TRP is indeed a strategy with an aim and to say morality has no place the discussion is frankly... ignorant. There are ALREADY existing moral red lines that would not be tolerated here... <insert raging hyperbolic examples here. Try to include Hitler>

So really what this post says is two things. One is 'I'd prefer not to junk up this sub with giant threads on morality' to which I say.... good luck with that one! Have you been to the internets before?

The second thing it says is that I like to bang married chicks (fair enough but most of us think you are an asshat for doing so) and it hurts my feelers when I'm called out on it so let's pretend like everyone except me is too dumb to understand what amoral is (we're not) and yell I'll use my ban hammer if you call me out for being a jerk.

So ban away.... ban away...

Ali0_o · 2015-12-14T22:53:40+00:00

I like red pill ideology and information. it gives a man knowledge and wisdom. especially young 18 year olds like me who are surrounded by sheep and terrible masculine role models...

but this is too much for me. I can accept the true nature of the human being, the true sexual and emotional nature of women, self improvement, putting yourself first, protecting yourself from getting fucked over by this bullshit feminist society and all the other types of philosophy in this sense....

...but I don't agree with fucking married women and treating people like filth. don't get me wrong a slut is a slut but I don't feel good for betraying a man like this. I wouldn't want a man to treat my mother like this, nor m sister. people can make their own choices, and today women have now got the status of "equality" so it's called, so women can make whatever the hell choice they want. the consequences are not my problem.

but the reality is women are inferior to men in every way. thats nature. they are unreasonable and futile. easily led. easily seduced.

I want to think how other men would feel knowing their daughter is getting played by douchebags and left as single mothers. of course it's the girls fault for choosing to fuck him but still. I don't want my family treated like this so I'm not going to do it.

the married woman thing.. unless they are separated or something, have some fucking respect for the husband. he's your fellow man, your brother, your comrade....

that's just my two cents. take it or leave it but I'm allowed to have an opinion that's different. I don't think I'm going to read the red pill posts much anymore, I don't appreciate the being a douche.

if it takes being a complete douchebag, alpha male type guy that's full of himself to get women, I ain't going there. I have always been taught to respect other men as if they were my brothers, comrades fighting with me to the death. even if they are fat guys with wives as long as they aren't White knight feminist suck ups

havelbrandybuck · 2015-06-22T04:12:12+00:00

I don't believe criticizing someones morality over TRP should be immediately bannable - as long as their points are unbiased and encourage discussion, analaysis, and are not a blatant personality attack. Just because TRP is critical towards the social behaviours between genders does not mean that you should actively censor people whom may rightfully take the side of the contrary, or have an opinion which is non-conventionally against what TRP supports. The moment you start supporting the male regardless of actions or context is when the line between 'male-identity discussion' and 'women hate group' become blurred. TRP is an amazing resource when it welcomes different viewpoints and interpretations.

EntertheWuTang36 · 2015-06-22T04:14:35+00:00

Moral law is an invention of mankind for the disenfranchisement of the powerful in favor of the weak.

RedPillWatchTower · 2015-12-12T19:47:52+00:00

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plenkton · 2015-06-21T18:21:15+00:00

I suspect many recent threads are made by op, where op is trying to gain credibility in TRP, in order to cause trouble in other threads, and claim to be a genuine TRP member.

Much more censoring would be great against those new to TRP who are creating threads.

Iupvoteforknowledge · 2015-06-21T19:00:19+00:00

ITT: a bunch of concern trolling and faggots.

The-Pussy-Whisperer · 2015-06-21T20:51:45+00:00

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2015-06-23T01:46:43+00:00

Shame is a societal tool used to enforce our cultural standards on anti-social degenerates. It can be a force for good and a force for bad.

Also does this mean I can't call out the effeminate men on here whose response to the immorality of women is to lower themselves to their level?

Gayburn_Wright · 2015-06-22T00:03:48+00:00

Is it really morally right to tell people their morals don't matter?

Kiddingyoself · 2015-12-12T18:59:18+00:00

I'm not sure how to word what I'm thinking. I get the policy for this sub. Those who would argue morality here have work they can do elsewhere if they care to. I'm not in any way trying to argue against this policy.

Personally, I like to think of how we can effect change for the better. From this perspective, I want to suggest that.. If society is fucked, and men sleeping with "wives" other than their own is a consequence of it... for those of you with children, what will you teach your daughters to not be part of the disease? What would you teach your sons? If the notion is that if a woman allows you to have sex with her, she's not truly married.. & AWALT, then there is no place for monogamy in society today, and there never will be?

Again, I'm not trying to argue against having sex with married women. I'm wondering if there is any way to improve upon where we are at today. It makes sense that teaching children reality is a step in the right direction, and I wonder what society will look like a couple of generations after people largely accepted it.

I guess the question I have is, if you accept TRP as reality, and you have children, what will you teach them, and what will you hope for them?

Personally, I am not willing to have sex with another man's "wife", even if their marriage is a farce. Call me a hopeless romantic, but there are plenty of fish, & I won't contribute to that ugly truth.

I've told friends for years that they need to understand the opposite gender for what it is, and accept it. Which means stop bitching, and either decide they're worth it or not. I can understand the frustration, but you can TRP, and take care of your own, and not be hateful of women, which is an integral part of our own species. Genders exist for a reason. With that in mind, for those of you who are very frustrated, I hope that you don't have daughters, & if you do, I hope you can somehow figure out how to teach them to be healthy, and not self loathing.

Title	Final Warning: Keep Your Damn Morals To Yourself
Author	RedPillWatchTower
Upvotes	895
Comments	470
Date	June 21, 2015 3:35 PM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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